I want to learn Japanese
>inb4 weeb
I don't watch anime I just think the language sounds cool
I'm told it's hard though so any tips /r9k/?
no don't learn japanese, learn Spanish it's a much more useful language
>>29348015
I feel your pain, OP. I really want to learn it too, but I'm terrible with languages.
>>29348039
>spanish is more useful
not everyone here is from the us
>>29348015
>>29348061
Foolproof way to learn any language:
>learn the 300 most common words
>watch tv
>read their newspapers
>you will pick up the subtle nuances of sentence structure
You are now a master of the language.
Works every time!
Find a flaw.
>>29348115
please stop posting this crap
>I want to learn Japanese
Why? There is literally no reason to know it. 'It sounds cool' may be a reason to learn Spanish but isn't a good enough reason to learn japanese because this is one of the hardest languages to learn.
>>29348251
everyday when i get home from work i do nothing but browse 4chan so i figure even if japanese is a waste of time it's a little more useful than what im doing now
>>29348115
idk this sounds too easy, does this really work for japanese??
Japanese is really hard to learn. Just warning you.
>>29348115
can confirm, I learnt Spanish this way
its actually quite foolproof
>>29348311
no it doesn't work those guys are lying to you
>>29348311
might work with languages that are similar to your native language.
Japanese would be a pain in the ass probably.
>>29348015
Start by learning Hiragana. It's the Japanese equivalent of the alphabet, except it's not based on minimal sounds (h, k, r, etc), but on syllables like "he", "ka", "ru", etc.
Hiragana has something like 50 different signs.
Then you can read Japanese... Theoretically. But in practice people use that kanji system that has literally thousands of signs.
If your native language isn't Germanic (excluding English) or Slavic, i.e. if you were taught to speak like a retard, it will be very difficult for you to pronounce Japanese words correctly.
Also: Look at this thread.
>>>/int/60917876
>>29348015
Shut up weeb
> you have been muted for 2 seconds because your comment was not original.
Why don't you learn something that is challenging yet has pretty simple grammar basics, like French?
www.imabi.net
is probably one of the best free resources on the internet for learning japanese.
>>29348251
not OP but to get a job in Japan and earn mad yen
>>29348620
>japan allows a lot of immigration
wew lass
Japanese is hard as fuck to learn. Unless you are a fucking linguistic/language master, you will need a japanese-speaking friend to help you out.
>>29348681
This OP, there are skype opportunities for this.
>>29348015
>I'm told it's hard though so any tips /r9k/?
You can be semi fluent in a month and be fluent enough to move to Japan in six months.
Read this article.
http://fourhourworkweek.com/2014/07/16/how-to-learn-any-language-in-record-time-and-never-forget-it/
Download Anki and start to use it.
Find some way of speaking to Japanese people on a daily basis. The best way would be to find some local speakers who are willing to talk to you IRL but finding people willing to skype with you will work as well.
>>29348311
>idk this sounds too easy, does this really work for japanese??
It works for understanding as long as you are willing to sit and read with a dictionary.
If that's all you do though you can end up being able to understand everything but unable to speak Japanese.
>>29348707
>tfw scared as fuck to make friends online
>especially people who speak different languages, much less japanese
Fuck me
>>29348651
People from my country are permitted the most time to stay with their visas.
I speak English plus a language most japanese don't but they have lots of industry in my country. I'm an asset bruh
>>29348251
Fuck spanish, fuck spain, fuck anyone who speaks spanish. Speak a better language. Literally any language is better.
>>29348015
It's very difficult and more of a commitment than I could give it.
it's all well and good when you're watching Nama-sensei and following along, but there's a point where you have to do shit yourself. Keep up on those flash cards, drilling that vocabulary, and the reason for learning it doesn't worth it.
>>29348115
Languages this works with for native English speakers:
>Spanish
>French
>German
>Dutch (Knockoff German)
I don't speak any other languages so IDK but one would assume that the grammar structure would have to be bretty similar to English for this to work
>>29348723
Chill out anon, the there are lots of people looking to do the same thing as you. You can trade lessons. As long as you are willing to teach English to a Japanese person online you can get them to teach you Japanese.
https://www.italki.com/home
Honestly learning japanese used to be a little more practical. In the days were fan subbing was the only way to watch a lot of shows being able to watch the raws and understand it made sense when some shows didn't get picked up by a sub group. But now that crunchroll and funimation pretty much pick up every single show per season it really doesn't help to watch the raws.
Honestly the only time knowing japanese comes in handy anymore as a weeb is for porn. Countless doujinshi that never get translated are available to you.
>>29348754
lmao he hates spics this much
>>29348015
You still here, op?
I've been learning Japanese for over two years now and it is absolutely worth it. It is a very different and interesting language, the process of learning it is very rewarding.
The language itself is very easy in terms of grammar and pronunciation. The hardest part is the writing system. My advice would be to stay away from romaji and learn kana and kanji as early on as possible. You have to read a lot to get proficient. If you don't read much in English, you probably won't have enough motivation to do that though, consider it carefully.
>>29349289
i read plenty in english
so after two years are you fluent?
>>29349415
As I said, it's very different from our languages. The writing system is so weird that you can learn it independently from the spoken form, if that makes sense.
People say that you can get fluent in six months and it is true, but that doesn't mean you will be able to read it. I think it should take a couple of years for an average person to get the writing down.
I can read most manga and eroge with a dictionary and I can understand movies/anime. I have never spoken to a real person, so I wouldn't know, but I guess I could communicate.
I am nowhere near reading classical literature though, which is my goal. Keep in mind that I am pretty lazy and learn on my own, so what I achieved in two years you could probably do in a year.
>>29348805
he isn't lying, though. Spanish is as bad as Arabic.
>>29349585
cool thanks for the advice phamalam
>>29348754
>>29349062
kekthe original comment
>>29349633
no problem senpai, I can give you some tips on learning kanji if you are serious about it
>>29349702
ok that would be good fphampai
Get this -> https://kat . cr/japanese-language-learning-pack-t5829730 . html#main
Read the whole comment section, there are lots of useful information that will assist you in the long run.
>>29348402
>Slavic
Fuck. If my first language is Polish it will be very hard, right?
>>29349796
Two most important posts should be:
> This is an OK torrent but it is FILLED with junk that will do nothing but harm your long-term prospects. However, admist this see of garbage are a couple of gems, and trust me, you ONLY need a couple gems. A couple textbooks, not 100 fluent-in-3-month audio courses. Let me list the gems that struck out to me: 1) Genki Series (in "textbooks") 2) A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar (in "grammar") (also check out Intermediate and Advanced) 3) Minna no Nihongo (in "audio" i think) 4) All of the light novels 5) Read Real Japanese (in "readers") 6) Breaking into Japanese Literature (in "readers") Beyond that, be sure to check out Tae Kim's grammar guide (online, free); Jisho (dictionary, online, free); and maybe imabi.net (online, free).
> Looks like I need two line breaks, whoops 1) Genki Series (in "textbooks") 2) A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar (in "grammar") (also check out Intermediate and Advanced) 3) Minna no Nihongo (in "audio" i think) 4) All of the light novels 5) Read Real Japanese (in "readers") 6) Breaking into Japanese Literature (in "readers") Beyond that, be sure to check out Tae Kim's grammar guide (online, free); Jisho (dictionary, online, free); and maybe imabi.net (online, free).
>>29348402
>If your native language isn't Germanic (excluding English) or Slavic, i.e. if you were taught to speak like a retard, it will be very difficult for you to pronounce Japanese words correctly.
>>29349813
Improve your reading comprehension. Read it again.
>>29348015
I've been studying for the last 2 years and it's not bad at all
Passed the N3 exam on my first try a couple months ago
It's easy as long as you don't expect to learn everything at once.
>>29349702
Pls help how to step my shit up - I've learned around 330 kanji (jlpt n5+n4 anki deck) and I am reading tae Kim atm. Should I just continue with n3 and lots of Chinese cartoons or is there a better way? I am extremely annoyed I still can't understand the dojinshi I bought in akiba, even though it's ez retarded crap made by a bunch of pervs
>>29349825
Oh and The important thing is not to learn the
rules, but to train yourself through practice to work with your unconscious mind. If you try to learn everything all at once, you will paralyze yourself, like the caterpillar who was asked in
what order he moved his legs.
>>29349702
I'd like some tips too senpai, I just started trying to learn kanji and the spoken form of Japanese as well.
>>29349947
>like the caterpillar who was asked in what order he moved his legs.
kek
>>29348793
Dutch to English works too.
>>29348015
If you're serious find a tutor and be prepared to not really see results for a long time.
>>29350065
>image.jpg
get out
>>29349766
Ok
So there's this method called the Heisig method. Read up on it. Download the book and read the introduction. Understand how kanji work. This is the definitive way to learn it, but don't get the actual book. I really didn't like it. It teaches you a lot of useless shit in an order that doesn't make sense. Just get the hang of the memorization technique in the book and forget about it.
Then go on a website called Kanji Damage and lurk around there. It is basically the same as Heisig but in a different order and with better mnemonics.
Now that you understand how kanji work, pick a list of them and learn 100-200 of the most common ones. I suggest you google up something like "most common kanji list" and learn from it by looking up the kanji on KD or in Heisig's book if you like it better.
When you know 200 basic ones, start reading. The best way is to read visual novels using ith and translation aggregator. Google it up. This is for learning, so do it even if you don't like visual novels.
As you start reading regularly, learn new kanji by following the order given on KD or in Heisig. Do look up the words that you encounter often while reading. It will speed up the process.
This is the way I would go about it myself if I could go back and start anew avoiding all the mistakes and not wasting so much much time.
Good luck on your journey, famiglia, hope that didn't intimidate you.
>>29350065
>image.jpg
What is this atrocity?
>>29350098
thanks a million m8
>>29350092
>>29350107
>getting this triggered
I'm on an iPad so I can lie in bed
>>29350149
>iPad
wew
>Anki core 2k/6k
>Tae Kim
After you finish Tae and have a good number of cards memorized then you move to another grammar guide and start reading stuff
>>29349932
This is probably because you learn your kanji in a retarded order. Like, the kanji no 31 in Heisig is fucking gall bladder. The best solution I've come up with so far is to make your own list of kanji that are frequent in whatever you like to read. That way you will encounter a new kanji in like every tenth sentence and it will be something obscure that you don't really need to know if you just want to read doujinshi. This speeds up your reading ad makes it more enjoyable and rewarding, which makes you learn much more in the long run.
>>29350181
>Caring about the device someone uses
Wew
>>29350223
Thanks, senpai, and my comment is original I dare say
>>29350065
Sure, that's based on how closely they're related. But take Indonesian, which is a category 3 language. Indonesian is a very simple and straight forward language, it's very easy to learn. I would take that chart with a grain of salt. Not to mention, if you're a weeb like me and you watch 15+ hours of anime a week you pick up words and phrases much quicker than some dude using Rosetta stone 5 times a week. If you consume Nippon media along supplemented with language learning tools you can pick up the language up within 6 months if you really go at it. I'd would however, recommend learning Spanish, French and Dutch as well as they're much easier to learn and have great use.
>>29348402
>If your native language isn't Germanic
I was wondering if i was just deaf to japanese pronunciation, or if i just had a language with the same kind of sounds. Nice to know it's the latter.
>>29350098
I did the Heisig method and at the time it seemed like the best way. I "memorized" 2000 kanji in two months. That was a few years ago, and from my perspective today I think it was time that could be better spent learning actual vocabulary instead of fake English words associated to kanji.
For what it's worth I can read books in Japanese now but I don't remember how to write almost anything.
>>29348015
Same
Learning jap for the purpose of impregnating a jap qt
>>29348039
Chinese is more useful than Japanese and as useful as spanish
>>29350314
It also depends on how much vocabulary there is in common. French is in category I and it shares like what, 50% of vocabulary with English? That's why it takes less hours. Even if you watching a shit ton of anime, it will still take you much longer than if you were watching French movies or something, because Japanese has no vocabulary in common with English(well, almost). Plust the fucked-up writing system that will take you hours to learn on its own. I would say the chart is pretty accurate.
>>29350445
That is literally the only reason to learn Japanese tbqh. Everyone should learn Japanese to get a pure, traditional Nippon waifu to have many hapa children with.
Didn't the nintendo DS make a game for learning japanese?
>>29350416
The biggest problem with Heisig is that he doesn't teach you readings or gives you examples of compounds. Sure, you learn 2000 kanji in two months as is promised in the book, but there is nothing you can don't with these kanji unless you spend time learning things that Heisig neglected.
Why when you can learn German?
>>29350550
I speak danish and i had to learn german. Let's just say i'd rather jump off of a really tall bridge, than take another german class. Fucking scum of the earth language.
>>29350286
can someone explain why the mods haven't gotten rid of that stupid filter
it doesn't do anything except make people add nonsensical words
why do they have to ruin this board with that annoying shit?
>>29350550
Learning German is for impregnating subhuman immigrants.
Learning Japanes is for impregnating pure submissive japanes waifu
>>29350550
Germany is infested with mudslimes and will collapse in a way decades. Japan has one of the lowest immigration rates in the world and will clearly be superior to Germany in the future.
>>29350544
Exactly, I think a beginner would do much better to focus on vocabulary. You need have a basic vocab of at least 8000 words or so to read anything. Maybe an abridged Heisig of a few hundred to learn how the kanji work, but you don't really need to write them only recognize them.
>>29350599
What makes you feel that way?
>>29350647
*in a few decades
I should go to sleep
>>29350550
>German
It will be Arabic in a few years and filled with hairy turkroaches, Japan will still have pure asian women ripe for the pickings
>>29348311
it works with languages you can already read.
can you read nip and chink runes?
>>29350714
In a few decades almost all of Japan's pure asian women will be over forty if the demographics there continue.
>>29350674
der/die/das/die
I never understood why a language would have this system. it's pants on head retarded. The whole way words are bent is just so over complicated and unnecessary. You don't need another prefix just because the word is a different part of the sentence. Fuck!
>>29350599
Is that because you are so used to your butchered peasant German that you can't learn the glorious language of your linguistic ancestors?
>be Japanese
>disgusting foreigner garbage want to move to my country
no thx
>>29350790
You would love Russian. The verbs all conjugate differently for no reason at all. You can't predict it, just vaguely categorize.
>>29350749
Not if Japan opens up their borders up to many immigrants and refugees for the purpose of breeding their women, one can only hope
>>29350859
>Be me
>OOGA BOOGA WERE NIPPON WIMMIN AT
>>29350885
I'll sign up for that
>>29350859
only beta japanese males think that way
japanese women love white cock
>>29350870
>implying all slavic languages aren't like this
>>29350924
I think the western ones are less so
The baltic languages are definitely like that though
