Is suicidal nihilism the final red pill?
nihilism is a meme for fedora tippers
I hope you don't say this shit in public
Nihilism is only a step in the right direction, not the goal
>>29184320
fedora tippers is a meme for christcucks and teenagers
I hope you don't say this shit in public
>>29184320
> Existential nihilism is the philosophical theory that life has no intrinsic meaning or value
Tell me again what's the intrinsic meaning of life?
>>29184327
This. Nihilism is to be overcome.
>>29184320
And yet the spiritual religious person described in this video is a literal fedora tipper who wants to kill everyone around him and himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mthMeACVeUk
>>29184247
No, Christianity is.
>>29184372
Many people would disagree.
>>29184352
"meanings" are communications, and life is not a communication
However life has value since it is valuable towards your goals.
Consciously or not, you have the goal of staying alive, and any desire to commit suicide is in fact rooted in your desire to stay alive. typically this is a result of losing sight of the fact that happiness is only a metric of survivability and not an end unto itself.
watch a show like Texhnolyze and you'll see just how much of a meme nihilism is.
>>29184332
>>29184369
I'm not a christcuck
>>29184352
Why does meaning have to be intrinsic?
>>29184327
anyone who disagrees with this probably skim read nihilism on Wikipedia or is underage
>>29184320
This. why does everything i like gets ruined by nerd on internet. every god damm thing really
>>29184395
It doesn't. It can be something you make yourself. See >>29184360
>>29184394
you forgot to mentioned evangelion
>>29184395
It doesn't have to be. I just copied the definition, so if you don't think life has 'intrinsic' value, you are technically a nihilist
>>29184395
Neither is the guy in the video, christcucks fall under this category but many fedora tippers subscribe to paganism, spirit science, space crystals, and reincarnation. And it has nothing to do with seeking inner peace but maintaining their ego.
Nihilism is just when you're on depression and hedonism is when things are going right. These are the two logical choices, and shitposting all day on the computer is hedonistic as fuck.
>>29184247
no. detachment from objective-rational thinking is. its not a god given ethos, you can drop it.
purpose or meaning only exist as subjective ideas, they do not "exist" in reality.
>>29184484
Stop spouting memes and come up with an original thought, boyo.
>>29184423
Then you haven't "overcome" shit. You've accepted nihilism but like a stupid faggot have decided to drown your mind in mundane bullshit to distract you from its truth. Sad!
>>29184507
?
origami commentium
>>29184247
>"Is suicidal nihilism the final red pill?"
>Posts a picture of Goebbels
Well obviously fucking not you dumb kike
>>29184247
actually i can fix your suicidal nihilistic ways by adjusting your spine and fixing your leaky gut so that you can create all the nice serotonin and all the other hormones that make normies normie
>>29184620
spine?
leaky gut?
explain this
Nihilism is pretty much all r9k is.god isn't dead,but I'll get that bastard someday!
>>29184647
i don't know, i follow john bergman on youtube and his shit makes sense
your nervous system is your brain and spine, it controls ALL the functions in your body
so when you have even the slightest disturbance in your spine, be it that you've lost the curve in your neck, or you have some sort of misalignment down your spine, it reflects on your nervous system and how it communicates with various organs and parts of your body
three things can fuck it up - mechanical, chemical and emotional stress. so you're either bent, intoxicated or constantly in stress. then instead of being able to switch from the parasympathetic mode (which controls fight & flight) to sympathetic mode (which controls rest and digest and heals your body), you're permanently stuck in parasympathetic mode and your body can't heal itself
then you get shit like social anxiety, depression, inability to sleep at night, body pain, acid reflux, organs start to malfunction, etc.
the way to heal yourself is to figure out which of those stressors affect your nervous system and eliminate them, then start healing your gut with non-GMO food, raw, plant-based diet, lots of juicing, lots of fruits, etc. and within a month or two you'll see results
it makes sense, to me
no
you know what is
>>29184352
Why does life need a meaning?
A meaning is nothing more than a human justification. A transposition of words and syntax over something far more graceful.
'Meaning" is something attributable to human endeavour, and life precedes all human understanding. The corruption of life's beauty lies in the infantile and false desire to impress a human mechanation to its wheel. We live, simple as that.
>>29184711
The higher consciousness of living is not to ignore human purpose and deny but to live in a tandem with the universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCHBmGWcBc
>>29184692
oh, sounds like some new age bullshit with no real evidence to back it up, but droves of placebo feeling followers to sing its praises.
>>29184692
tl;dr i don't wanna be a victim of something as simple as a stomach not doing its job and producing the hormones that make you feel good
>>29184692
I agree with eating a good diet with lots of fruit and veggies but only an idiot doesn't eat any kind of animal protein.
>>29184737
I completely agree. But an individual purpose is disparate from a universal greater meaning, which presumably can not be expressed through the perspective of an isolated human consciousness.
I've spent many hours meditating trying to bring my consciousness closer to the universal one. I'm much happier now I believe.
>>29184320
shit man i guess you're right, I mean you just came out and said it like that how could you be wrong?
>tfw you realize that the truth doesn't matter
>and even if it did, we would never know it
Ignorance = happiness
>>29184951
but knowing that is actually knowledge.. so knowledge and acceptance = happiness
>>29185030
>knowledge and acceptance
>equals happiness
No, it equals pain. You realize what is going on.
>>29184592
>drown your mind in mundane bullshit to distract you from its truth
Spoken like a monkey would to a man.
Nihilism is honestly one of the biggest blue pills I can think of. Almost every single other blue pill has nihilistic undertones
>>29184247
It is the only red pill
>>29184247
No
It's like being handed a puzzle you can't figure out and throwing it away in a fit of whatever negative emotions it caused you to experience
>>29186171
This
Nihilism has always been somewhat of a "retreat" philosophy for me
>e-everything's okay b-because none of it m-matters in the e-e-e-end
>>29186608
What? But nothing matters. Do you have proof to the contrary?
No. Nihilism is correct faggot. I want to die and everyone else should too.
>>29186671
>existential philosophy
>proof
>correct
If you actually think you can prove or be correct in an objective empirical sense about this you aren't even mature enough to talk about it
Nihilism is the ultimate truth that people would rather not know of or refuse to accept.
>>29186739
Nihilism is when children mature and start having their first abstract thoughts on existentialism but eventually after enough time and contemplation they eventually grow out of it and find the meaning that people would rather not know or refuse to accept
>>29184692
Kek, read this and thought MAYBE this dude is on to something, then you dropped;
>then start healing your gut with non-GMO food, raw, plant-based diet, lots of juicing, lots of fruits, etc
Does it have to be suicidal? Living and dying are equally pointless no?
>>29184484
I agree with this but I still feel the need for a reason to live or an idea to keep me going. Meaning is what is meant by something. Only humans can make something mean something.
>>29188512
you wasted life why wouldnt you waste death?
It's all just chemicals and electric signals. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but what else is going on up there?
You're a biological machine produced by evolution. For one reason or another, this higher level thinking you have was an evolutionary advantage. You were fortunate enough to be born in a time and place where your survival was nearly guaranteed. You're browsing 4chan, so you probably won't procreate. Oh well.
Now what? I don't know. Figure out something you want to do, or something you believe in. There's not anything else to do than what you want. If you don't want to do anything, that sucks.
>>29188512
yea i'd have a fun time for that day, are you autistic enough to not like fun?
>>29188643
Oh, shit just got real. We're quoting Modest Mouse lyrics now.
Float on, everybody.
i believe nihilism is the ultimate red pill to some extent however just like any major religion a nihilist is a hypocrite to their own doctrine.Just like the quote "God is dead" you can apply that to nihilism. "Nihilism is a scam!" And to reach that conclusion is quite easy as many teenagers, young adults and philosophers who represent the ideas of meaninglessness, still fall into the traps of human society
Even Nietzsche one of the major founders of the concept couldn't kill his anxiety was stopped him from getting married and having sex And the teenagers who look down upon their peers still can't be confident in the way they go through love and relationships, so what is the point of such an endeavor of trying to accept meaningless if your body and mind still find meaning in such actions? If you want to be
a true nihilist you have to deny your own status in society as worthless or else you still are obeying by the worth of your societal ideologies.Which a nihilist cannot achieve as that goes against human nature as a whole, and to deny want of belonging and pleasure eg meaning will be impossible to withstand a life without. So too accept nihilism is too accept hypocrisy and too accept that death is the only way to
remove meaning.
>>29184352
frankly, the cosmos doesn't care. What the individual must answer is: "do I care that the cosmos doesn't care?"
> weebs who haven't read a single philosophical book in their lives trying to look like they know philosophy
What a thread.
>>29184320
I like how normies pretend that peer pressure disproves anything.
>>29184692
Jesus Christ
This so my fucking life.
I blew out my l4 l5 disc in 2010 and my life
has been a downward spiral for the past 6 years.
This is fucking nuts... All of it applies to
I dont even eat.
I have the whole gambit of all of that shit.
Have you tried this out?
I cant even eat because of the pain killers, been doing like 4 or 500 calories a day tops.
>>29189531
>believing ancient philosophers would accept the elitism of modern philosophy
>believing philosophers would want to silence discussion just because it is "wrong"
>believing that making fun of people makes you superior
Go fuck yourself..
>>29184951
If you know that ignorance is happiness you're past the point of being happy because of your ignorance.
>>29184951
What matters if not the truth? How do you live with yourself knowing you aren't even honest towards yourself?
>>29189716
How can you know the truth?
>>29189789
By observing reality. For example, me being inferior(ugly, short, small dicked) is reality.
>>29186608
I TRIED SO HARD
AND GOT SO FAR
BUT IN THE END IT DOESNT EVEN MATTER
bloxblox
>>29189820
Are your senses always correct though? You've never been wrong or seen a mirage?
>>29189862
I've never seen a mirage. Also it's not about my sense, just some goddamn measuring tape.
>>29189838
How do I not be an edgy teen guys? I'm 20 and I still haven't outgrown this phase. How am I supposed to be happy in a world with death, famine, rape? Just go on for no reason? Smile unjustifiably?
I feel stupid and want to die for being stupid
>>29189916
Have you even considered flaws in naive realism?
>>29184247
It's my 20th birthday today and I didn't get a single message on normiebook. I'm so fucking alone and irrelevant. Why was I born this way?
>>29189952
No I have not considered them.
>>29189927
do you say that this feeling of uselessness an sorrow is
CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEAL
FEAR IS HOW I FALL
CONFUSING WHAT IS REAL
Nihilism is the end result of the application of logic to existence and meaning, because logically we have no reason to exist.
Arguably the only step past nihilism that does not involve delusion is absurdism: the belief that existence requires no meaning.
Both accept as absolute truth that everything we know and love is meaningless. The absurdist however continues to live regardless of this knowledge, even if living in that is absurd.
The nihlist ends. There's nothing past that understanding. All that remains for the nihilist is entropy.
Both camps are hallmarked by their refusal to live with delusion. The delusion being that life has some kind of value or meaning.
An absurdist may embrace delusion - but only as an absurd or ironic gesture because they know and believe in the back of their mind that it is delusion they are engaging in. They just understand that if existence is truly meaningless, then delusion is also meaningless.
Basically the Absurdist is a nihilist who has figured out a way to live in the shadow of the abyss. The nihilist is someone just fixated on the abyss.
>>29189984
I was the same way. You aren't alone in that regard. Happy birthday anon
>>29190092
No it's more like I'm asleep but I just keep sleeping. I try not to sleep but I'm still asleep.
Did you know all but one song on Meteors has the word pain in it?
>>29190040
https://youtube.com/watch?v=29pPZQ77cmI
>>29184247
Nihilism is a childish solution to an adult problem, Anon.
Oregeno Problemo
>>29190226
And what's the adult solution?
>>29190152
Thanks. It just depresses me that nearly 300 people were notified that it was my birthday and not a single one of them felt I was worth the effort of typing two words.
>>29189531
>I bet they don't even vape
>I for one am an md in philosophy
>>29190248
>having 300 friends
>pretending to be lonely
The idea we know anything at all is a total assumption.
Total agnosticism about everything is the only conclusion a rational mind can come to.
This realization has allowed me to realize that there are no rules, and my only limitation is my creativity.
Pick a delusion that helps you. :)
>>29189927
I know one answer anon
>>29190139
Nihilism is no more logical than Solipsism. It paints itself in a corner and yells HAHA YOU CAN'T PROVE ME WRONG while not making any substantial statements or answering any questions of its own. It is not a logical conclusion, it is finding logical grounds to stop looking for conclusions.
>>29190174
so you say someones gotta
WAKE ME UP
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
CANT WAKE UP
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
CALL MY NAME AND SAVE ME FROM THE DARKi didnt know that thats even edgier
>>29190139
well put anonrandom text for the useless machine
>>29190351
Epistemological skeptic masterrace
>>29190412
Thank you for the
>>(you)
Middle school music man
>>29190484
y-you too
also most of these nihilist fags should appreciate my shitposting cause it makes their posts seem more insignificant/meaningless and thereby shows the nihilistic nature of the universe
>>29184394
texhnolyze is nihilism - the anime, though. It's all about the animalistic brutality and inherent meaninglessness of the human condition.
>>29190390
Do you really think some day some one will be like, "Ah-ha! That was the meaning of life all along! I just wasn't looking hard enough!"
>>29190326
that's a nice edgy thouhggh
>>29190586
I just wanted to post this picture 4u
>>29190362
Thanks for the offer but I could never be as such
>>29190635
Nihilism is a curse and anyone who says otherwise isn't really a nihilist
>inb4 no true scotsman.
>>29190635
This is what happens to almost all nihilists eventually. That's why the stereotype is that it's an immature philosophy. Almost every philosopher becomes a nihilist early on and then later graduates to something else. There are very few philosophers who didn't have at least a brief spell of nihilism, and there are very few who stay on nihilism their whole lives.
>>29190350
Most of them are acquaintances I happened to go to school with years ago.
>>29190390
Maybe. Solipsism requires the solipsist has some kind of self-worth or esteem. The nihilist understands that they themselves are as equally worthless and meaningless as everything else.
That goes for pure joy or pure suffering and all points in between.
I don't think nihilism is illogical. If anything it is the ultimate logic in that it embraces the ultimate truth - inevitable entropy. Ergo the only step left for the nihilist is death, either swiftly or slowly. One way or another it is certain and everything else has no meaning.
The absurdist is IMO the only way one who has been convicted of nihilism can escape the abyss. It requires the next step: that life requires no meaning. That if life really is meaningless, then so is logic. In a lot of ways, so is truth.
Tl;dr - Absurdism is the application of nihilism to nihilism.
The understanding that if meaninglessness has no meaning, then it doesn't matter what the fuck you think, say, or do - you don't need a reason or meaning for anything. It can arbitrarily be anything and still have the same nonexistent meaning.
That allows you to engage in delusion while still maintaining that it is delusion. At least from my experience.
>>29190725
>tfw summerfags are tryin to b8 oldfags
but thats a gif you sillyhave some oc CP for your efforts though
>>29190869
You're talking about the attitude behind it nihilism, which I am not. I'm talking about the "logic" which you claim is a part of nihilism. I'm saying you cannot claim nihilism is logical any more so than any other philosophy. "meaning" is a concept so subjective that it might as well not be used, so to claim there can be a "logical" answer to the question of meaning just doesn't work. You can argue nihilism or absurdism if you'd like but to claim logic behind them isn't possible.
>>29189984
Post normiebook and i may leave you a message
>>29190980
The logic I reference in nihilism is the application of the same rules of logic and reason one would apply to anything else in an attempt to come to a logical conclusion.
Cause and effect, if-then relationships, shit like that. I'm no logician, but I do know that one of the foundations of logic is discerning the difference between what is provable and not provable - and using this information to come to a conclusion about things that may be unknown.
I argue that nearly every (if not every) other philosophy outside of nihilism or absurdism does not acknowledge that all things are meaningless in the face of entropy. That entropy is inescapable and ultimately renders all human thought, action, sentiment, whatever - meaningless.
The reason this is logical is because the death and decay of all things has been unerringly the only provable if not the most provable constant in not just our own history but all pre-history we can discern from the past and all we can project in the future. Nihilism is the logical certainty of the death and decay of all things living or unliving.
>>29191243
The idea of "meaning" is why logic cannot be used. Logic can only be used to prove or disprove or even argue a concept that's objective, or at least mostly objective. The idea of "meaning" is not in the slightest bit objective. You cannot claim logic on a subjective concept, it's like claiming a form of art is logically better than another. It just cannot be done.
All your "logic" seems to hinge on what you see as "meaning" which is not a universal standard. Your entire argument hinges on the fact that because there is death and something will cease to exist it's meaningless. This is not an objective truth. Something ceasing to exist does not make it meaningless. It doesn't make it not meaningless either. "meaning" is where this all crumbles apart. There is no logic without a set concept of meaning and that simply does not exist.
Like I said, you can be nihilistic all you want, but you're going off your own perspective of "meaning" to do that, which cannot be claimed as logical because it's entirely subjective and entirely influenced by your own perception.
Take it from someone who has been a nihilist, and over come it. Only to end up as an existentialist.
Random thoughts:
>Nothing gets better (Unless you force it to)
>Nothing matters (Unless you want it to)
>Life is literally a overly complicated simple system.
>Everything you do, think and say is all part of a microcosm withing a simple macrocosm.
>Everything is dictated by your chemical emotions that are influenced by your environment and what you think is your consciousness.
>In the end, none of it matters. Why live? Because life itself is an experience and a means. Why give up the limited time you have to enjoy it?
>Become who you want to be, because none of it matters in the end.
>No one can judge you, because you do not matter.
>No one can hate you, because you are nobody.
>You can only revel in the satisfaction that you made the world turn to look at you. You, something that doesn't matter, caught the world's attention.
>Live, not because it matters. Live, because you want to matter.
>>29191347
Lol correct me if I'm wrong but the entire concept of philosphy is an attempt to answer "how then should we live" and ascertain objective "meaning" in the human experience.
>>29191426
>the entire concept of philosphy is an attempt to answer "how then should we live"
yes
>and ascertain objective "meaning" in the human experience.
no
You cannot have objective meaning. "meaning" as a concept is not objective. That's why philosophers don't claim logic when they argue it. Logic is not something that can be claimed on the topic.
>>29191411
damn these are all pretty insightful thoughts anon. thanks.
>ib4 some fedora fag comes out and tries to spread negativity.
>>29184592
Post pics of yourself, nu-male
>tfw Absurdism is one of the biggest red pills
Senpai I am so dissappointed rn in you, you cuck. Smh, You're all tards desu
>>29192060
Name calling is not an argument sempai desu senpai baka.
