http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/health/us-suicide-rate-surges-to-a-30-year-high.html
>Suicide in the United States has surged to the highest levels in nearly 30 years, a federal data analysis has found, with increases in every age group except older adults. The rise was particularly steep for women. It was also substantial among middle-aged Americans, sending a signal of deep anguish from a group whose suicide rates had been stable or falling since the 1950s.
Why do you think the suicide rate is so high?
Western women
>>29136364
Really, female rates are increasing? It must be accidental completion
>>29136364
Economy and underemployment
Neoliberalism desu
>>29136393
/thread: original comment edition
>>29136364
Trump winning the GOP nomination
>>29136364
people think materialism will fill the empty void of their existence
they find out that it is never filled, and times aren't hard enough that just getting by with living is satisfying in itself
suicide
>>29136485
these are middle aged whites. They aren't atheists or "secular". Throw your religion out the fucking door
>>29136485
This. Materialism is pure cancer. The only material item you need in this age is a computer with an internet connection.
>>29136364
>http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/health/us-suicide-rate-surges-to-a-30-year-high.html
not everybpdy recovered from recession . most people are selfish and only care about themselves so its easy for some people to fall behind not just financially but socially . also materialism makes people more depressed about their low economic status . more and more Americans are struggling than you would beleive . http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/my-secret-shame/476415/
We are living an unsustainable lifestyle that destroys people's mental health.
>>29136508
the middle aged were the ones that feel for the materialism meme the most
sure they'll claim to be protestant or what have you, but their religious convictions are second to their materialistic convictions
either way, i'm not suggesting religion, though it is sometimes a good way to approach the true answer: living a largely self-sustaining and productive life, rather than the life of a vapid consumer
Because society does not have use for everyone and people are realizing they will never achieve their dreams.
>>29136364
>Why do you think the suicide rate is so high?
Because men have lost their place in the world.
>can't get into college
>can't get a job
>can't get a girlfriend
>can't avoid divorce
>can't even complain about these things because YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO _____!
I wish I could support the
>libruhls
>womyn
stance, but really the issue is rooted in the fact that the USA has an absolutely pants-on-head retarded understanding of mental health treatments. I'm seriously surprised frontal labotomies and electroshock therapy aren't a common sight at this point.
>>29136612
ehh I think baby boomers dislike over consumption. This is the generation that brought eastern religion into the mainstream
>>29137552
Baby Boomers are massive fucking hypocrites. That's the core of their personalities.
>bring Eastern Religion over
>as a way to look cool and hip, not find inner peace or anything
>bitch about materialism
>constantly also bitch about muh gubment takin muh federally mandated tax dollahs
Etc
>>29136364
Guess women got better at killing themselves
Finally
As someone who has been on the verge of suicide for several years now, it really isn't hard to see why rates have gone up.
Women are shitty entitled cunts (who are killing themselves when they realize they're actually worthless and no one cares).
Finding employment is hell, and the ones available are soul draining, unrewarding, with no chance of advancement with shit pay and worse hours.
Health care is a joke and medical debt ruins lives.
College is a joke with more and more students coming out with 5 figures of debt they'll never be able to pay back after all but being forced to attend.
I'm surprised it isn't higher. There will be a massive spike in a few years once college debt really catches up to the 26+ year olds.
>>29137887
Truly a glorious time to be alive. What a spectacle to see normalfags off themselves
>>29137887
No one cares.
I don't mean that in some antagonistic way either, I'm just stating fact. You aren't allowed to bring up actual societal issues like this because the public has been conditioned by their masters to scream you down with a word salad of "Entitlement entitlement sour grapes virgin CIS privileged not a REAL man defeatist no one deserves anything MANUP". You get this response from leftwingers and rightwingers alike. There's no going back now.
>>29136605
this very very much, humans can't adapt fast enough to all the new shit they are getting
>>29137995
You're right. No one cares because they would much rather spout exactly what you said than admit there's a problem with AMERICA THE GREATEST COUNTRY EVER!!!!!!!
People don't care because they don't want to care. They don't want to see just how shitty their lives are because the ones that do kill themselves.
>why are so many people killing themselves? This is terrible
>well, it's becau-
>THIS IS TERRIBLE! I WILL. BLOG ABOUT IT AND MAKE SURE WE FORCE PEOPLE TO STOP KILLING THEMSELVES
Internet obviously
>>29136364
>Men still kill themselves at a far higher rate.
>Focuses on increase in women suicide
Fucking of course.
>>29136364
>Why do you think the suicide rate is so high?
No reason to live in a dysotopic technocracy.
Europe is George Orwell's worst nightmare.
America is flooded with the most degenerate SJW trash.
Third worlders are breeding at a rate so quickly not even Saruman harvesting ORCS from the GROUND could compete with it.
Everything looks fucked.
>Why do you think suicide rate is so high
The rapid rise of technology, shitty women, and lack of fulfillment towards goals (ie. what's the point)
>>29138161
How else are they going to use suicide to propagate feminism? Even though feminism directly relates to both men AND women killing themselves?
>>29138224
>whats the point
fucking exactly this
used to be that humans were thrown into the world screaming and forced to work together to survive, no days off because survival wasn't a job it was just how you fucking lived
Now you can't even have a conversation with another human without them getting upset your interrupting their day
don't get me wrong though, I love AC, electricity, clean food and water, high quality clothes, instant communication, cars, computers, memes, etc.
>>29138302
TL;DR humanity is spoiled and so treachery, apathy, boredom, and misery grow substantially because there's no underlying purpose for our existence. Not even one as benign as being the Spindle-turner making clothes for the village.
>>29136364
The job finding process is tedious and you are rejected constantly.
Technology is reducing jobs dramatically.
Self awareness is at all time high with the availability of the internet.
Hard working people gets penny on the dollar while the employer live in excess.
Many jobs are not enjoyable or give self pride and we give the little we have sucking up to bosses.
In person social interaction is in decline and most of conversations I hear are consumerist in nature.
No true emotional connections are being made, just sharing interest in a similar product.
The availability of porn is reducing are strongest motivation, sexual pleasure.
There is so much entertainment to consume that after awhile everything seems boring and seems derivative.
Our diet is changing to quick pleasure/comfort rather than health.
In summary, we are consumerist slaves to employers/industry constantly trying to get dopamine to stave of the isolation,frustration, and pain, but as addict we are needing a better fix and the lows are getting deeper with everyday.
>>29138161
Don't worry. I was thinking the same thing. People don't realize that all percents aren't equal, which is exactly why the report focussed on percents. This is why math is important.
There were 42,773 suicides in 2014, with 3.5 times more men than women. That's roughly 9,000 women vs 33,000 men. Even if in 2015 the rate of women who committed suicide went up 300% and the rate of men stayed the same, more men would have killed themselves. Furthermore, only one age group of women increased that much. Meanwhile, all age groups have been rising as a whole.
To top things off, 70% of ALL suicides were done by white males. That's almost 30,000 of the 33,000 makes, but we can't talk about that because wymin are oppressed!
>>29138491
Beautiful breakdown.
>>29137460
>frontal labotomies and electroshock therapy
That's just scratching the surface. Don't forget institutionalized male genital mutilation. (While there's a federal law against the female equivalent)
>>29137460
Antipsychotics shrink the frontal lobe. It's still happening in a way.
>>29136364
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi-ZIOmB6EM
Depression from seeing the country get BROWNED
Only Trump can stop this
>>29138491
I don't know how people think we live in a patriarchy when men are killing themselves as much as they are.
>>29136364
Internet senpai.
It's obviously an addicting substance, though like most addicting substances it's going to take a while to criminalize / regulate. As of now, its risks are ignored by mainstream society.
Think of opium in America back in the mid 1800s, most people wouldn't perceive it as a life-threatening substance. It was just used to treat toothaches and shit, all good. But there were a few people who learned its destructive capacities the hard way.
>>29137887
>Women are shitty entitled cunts (who are killing themselves when they realize they're actually worthless and no one cares).
That's actually true for everyone to an extent, because we've been fed this self-esteem bullshit where everyone gets a trophy just for showing up and they don't know how to deal with the real world where they actually suck a lot of the time. It's like we've created a generation of narcissists with zero grit or persistence.
I think we need to slow down on "THE NEW BESTEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN EVER!" and let society flourish in whatever technology we have for a while.
I think jobs need to not try to give people a "guessing game" for assessments. If someone is quiet and prefers to work alone that doesn't mean they are unreliable or anti-social.
Also, lets be fucking real here, intimacy is and use thereof is absolute hell. People can never be honest or be content with it anymore. Everyone has to fulfill some stupid ass quality or they aren't worth the time when it takes time to get used to people. Even if you like another for some weird, offset reason, that shouldn't condemn you for saying so regardless if you aren't Chad.
I don't know what's worse, condemning the people attempting suicide or condemning the people who want to talk about suicide and what problems bring it up.
>>29136605
>>29137460
"mental illness" is just a scapegoat to avoid addressing bigger problems in society
the vast majority of people who commit suicide aren't legitimately mentally ill
the psychiatric industry causes more problems than it solves
>>29136364
Life is hard man and suicide is an easy one way solution to escaping the pain though you cease to exist which is really worse when you think about it. If they could confirm an afterlife people would be killing themselves casually all the time.
>Oh well I failed here time to try again in the next world
>*Cocks gun*
because american internet is shitty
not even kidding. they give us these phones and these smart everything, when we don't have the infrastructure.
imagine how normie mom feels, after dropping $700 on the latest iphone she doesn't want or know how to use, and it doesn't get 4g lte service hardly anywhere. that $2k 4k tv she just bought? can't even watch fucking youtube.
>>29139731
it could be that hard work isn't as rewarded by society as it used to be, because of how unstable employment and women are
>>29139731
This isn't entirely false. However, it's far more true with women, especially when it comes to Narcissism who base most of their worth solely on appearance.
>>29139889
>Life is hard
>Suicide is the easy way out because...it is
>Suicide and ceasing to exist is actually worse because...it is
Such convincing arguments
>>29136364
>Why do you think the suicide rate is so high?
Underlying mental illnesses maybe becoming more frequent + substance abuse.
There is a very large number of adolescents that have suicidal intentions/mental illness. Eventually they succeed.
>>29137460
>the USA has an absolutely pants-on-head retarded understanding of mental health treatments
Ausfag here.
We have severe under-funding of mental illness/disabilities healthcare.
>>29140016
Or the actual conditions which burgers are subject to are driving the increase.
Why is there this tendency to marginalize instead of investigate? Go where the information takes you.
>>29139955
Employment is less stable than in the recent past, though if you go back before the 40s or 50s I'm sure it was much worse. The massive change in gender dynamics is pretty much unprecedented, however, and I think people are slow to realize its significance.
>>29139985
Agreed, I'd say women get a double dose of it.
>>29140016
Budget cuts to mental health treatment programs certainly aren't helping anything. It's possible that mental illnesses really are becoming more common, too. Autism, for example, is proliferating because people are able to move about the country and pair up with others who are similar to them instead of settling for whoever lives within a day's horse-and-buggy ride from them. You see a lot of cases coming out of silicon valley for this exact reason. It's possible this is happening with other mental illnesses and it's just not as well documented.
>>29139879
>the vast majority of people who commit suicide aren't legitimately mentally ill
I think they are actually mentally ill. Its just that they never had a diagnoses.
>>29136364
Because fantasy is getting more and more interactive and real life is seemingly more and more boring. Because people are stsrting to realize that real life is not special and there is no real reason other than to live and thrive. I believe that religion came into place to stop people from behaving in destructive ways because thinking and feeling are huge burdens. But now that religion is starting to fall and people are starting to realize there is no god that there is nothing wating for us. But I also beilvie that with that in mind people are trying to live better because there is only one life. I dont think anyone can really determine why and what is causing suicide. Its all various bullshit. Probably neets and stupid people and virigns puttint pussy on a pedistile or hearbreak fags. So many reasons. So little time to care
>>29140061
>Go where the information takes you.
http://www.mindframe-media.info/for-media/reporting-mental-illness/facts-and-stats
https://www.youthbeyondblue.com/footer/stats-and-facts
I wish had time to find a nice 100 year chart showing suicides for those under 18 and those diagnosed with mental illness for the last 30 or so years.
> Suicide is the biggest killer of young Australians and accounts for the deaths of more young people than car accidents
>The top issues of concern to young people in 2013 were, in order, coping with stress, school or study problems, body image, depression and family conflict.
>>29140084
I imagine that studies involving that data will eventually be done.
I shudder at what it must be like in China/India. They probably just murder the person in their sleep or put them in prison.
>>29136364
growth hormones causing mental illness like autism and transexuality
>>29140092
a diagnosis doesn't necessarily mean anything either
doctors can be corrupt
you're missing my entire point about how most mental illnesses are subjective and don't really exist
>>29140158
Growth in mental illness and suicide we agree on, but neither seem investigate the cause of the mental illness growth
>>29138185
this.
In fact, everyone in this thread is the fucking problem too, and we're all just waiting for someone to fix everything.
Global warming? Oh someone else will solve that.
Job market bad? A new president will making everything better!
I'm lazy? I need tons of free shit. I'm better than everyone else.
We are the only ones who can fix it, but we sit around waiting for someone else to fix it for us while we continue to make it worse.
>>29140177
Nice sources.
I'm sure you've got evidence for that and can provide all the illnesses that are fabricated?
>>29138465
>Self awareness is at all time high with the availability of the internet.
It's crazy what the internet has done for us all. I'd go as far as to say its enlightened many of us. Can you imagine a life where you didn't stumble upon the internet, let alone 4chan?
>>29140208
I like watching the world burn. I hope Trump gets elected and starts a nuclear war.
>>29140270
He'd better give me some heroin so I can od before the mutants overrun humanity
>>29140208
Do you really believe that?
You feel movements to counter the points he raised would go unopposed? It's those who oppose that are responsible, but it's ok, blame the masses of poorfags.
>>29136364
All of you are wrong. We are in the largest labor surplus ever and people in responce are making an adjustment.
>>29140544
This
The market knows what it's doing.
>>29136509
>food
>water
>shelter
>originality
>>29138465
over the corse of the trend monitored by that study
>jobs rose
>obesity declined
you gotta rule out the economy or health
People are finally realising that life is nothing but suffering, a long journey through a path full of sharp needles. The further you get, the more you suffer.
Im happy for those who realised that death is a release. Brave people.
>>29137351
this, the western world is fucked. soon men will be reduced to cuck stem majors because everything else will be given to women
>>29140544
somebody already said that
it's funny though because it's due to illegal immigrants and globalism, and not because of anything the suicidees have doneexcluding politicians and lobbyists, of course
>>29140544
>We are in the largest labor surplus ever and people in responce are making an adjustment.
explain.
>>29138161
The male rate is rising faster than the female rate too
>>29136364
Combination of women working more and men working less.
Male dominated fields getting shipped over seas putting men out of work, forcing women to pick up the slack by getting off their asses and contributing. Result is women are less happy because they can't down a bottle of wine before 2 in the afternoon every day with their girlfriends and then they bitch at their boyfriends and husbands for being lazy, worthless sacks of shit for not providing. Women feel like killing themselves because they have to work for once and men feel like killing themselves because they can't stop the bitching from the women.
>>29136574
>http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/my-secret-shame/476415/
>Nearly half of Americans would have trouble finding $400 to pay for an emergency.
Hory shit, even I could come up with $400 and I'm Neet lol
Seems like death is the only way out of the Cock Carousel!
>>29141109
What emergency is going to cost $400? Either it's medical and I'll be in eternal burger slavery or its robbery and I have nothing to give/will be killed anyway.
>>29141142
Only a fucking shill could find a issue with that fact, kill yourself
>>29140270
>starts a nuclear war
Hes taking troops out of south korea so that when the north finally decides to attack them, they dont attack any Americans thus not causing any backlash from the americans thus not creating any war between america and anyway thus you're an idiot kill yourself
>>29141109
NEETs have a bit of an advantage though, they're used to living a frugal lifestyle. I worked for a year and a half making a little better than minimum wage and saved up enough to live for 2-3 years because I don't throw money and pointless shit.
Chad and Stacy can't find $400 because they drop thousands on useless garbage every month. No chad, you don't need those wheels, subwoofers and that spoiler for your dumpster car. No stacy, you don't need 7 new pairs of shoes, 4 manicures and 3 salon visits per month. You have no savings because you have the financial responsibility of a 5 year old.
>>29141182
Chad and Stacey aren't nearly 50% of the population though
>>29141142
car repair
t. functioning adult
>>29141167
No, my issue is with the significance of that number which to me seems arbitrary.
Why place it in the circumstance of an emergency instead of simply stating 'x don't even have $400 to their name'? Does it just give the largest sample size for dramatic effect or something? Is the amount of people without 350 or 450 less relevant?
>>29141215
Thank you for the scenario.
>>29141219
You don't need to look behind the curtain mate, its all there: Nearly half of Americans would have trouble finding $400 to pay for an emergency.
>>29141215
you can add asshole to your list of "t."s
>>29141219
I think it's supposed to basically be "x don't have enough to sustain themselves for more than a single bi-monthly minimum wage paycheck"
I believe general financial advice says you should have ~3-6 months worth of savings in case of emergencies, but half are literally living pay check to pay check.
>>29136364
The world they lived in was a lot different.
The way the world is today, with all the technological advancements has surpassed there capacity and functioning to adapt too.
Leaving them ignorant, and unaware of all the societal changes and progression of the last 10 years.
Because of the internet we did 1000 years of globalization in a span of a decade.
Not a lot of older people can grasp that
>>29141272
Ok, I'm retarded because I couldn't infer the first part and did not know of the second.
Thank you for explaining.
>>29141285
it makes a lot of sense why the news media drips out what's going on the internet. It's just all too fast for the older folk. I saw a vid on the news the other day I had seen on the internet about a month ago and they were talking it up like it had happened that week. In that month I had seen countless other videos that were more news worthy.
>>29136485
>>29136612
>>29137595
i agree with this as a primary factor
>>29136409
unemployment and job scarcity as a second factor, i don't think underemployment is as much of an issue, unless combined with loan debts. Another factor that might be observed is firm mobility and human capital "immobility" per se
>>29136605
this is the overarching theme with undertones of / correlations with
>>29138110 >>29136393 >>29137887 >>29138224 >>29138302 >>29138324 >>29139879 >>29139955 >>29139731
>>29141374
Its also the reason why Hillary Clinton has gotten this far in her canidacy.
You have a majority of society taking the news on face value without a clue of how evil she is, while the media knows this and shill for her because they know the rest of the population that watches TV are not internet savy.
85% of people haven't gotten past the YouTube level of knowing the internet.
>>29141374
Sometimes news channels save up unurgent filler stories and dish them out weeks later when they have to fill up time
i'll tell you why suicide is up but it's gonna sound really silly and childish to everyone on this bully board:
it's because people are mean and mostly negative.
if you're an average guy, you can probably count on 1 hand how many compliments you've received in your life.
all you really hear anymore is condescending or bleek negativity.
compound this with the internet and technology and how people are seeking out social interaction at the low excitement level less and less "if it's not a party, what's the point?".
>hear negative shit your whole life
>never really intimate with anyone
>no real strong bonds
>no role models
>probably never had sex
>pressure to be independent
gee, i wonder why suicide rates are skyrocketing guys?
It probably has always been rising, but mostly has the article up because women are more successful with it now.
>>29141630
Problem with "independence" I feel is that it is gained through connections with other people. Independence is a complete lie, and the culture it has spawned supports keeping people apart and withdrawn. Especially so for men.
>>29141760
For awhile, it was in a decline, then something happened around 2000 and its been climbing.
>>29137887
"There will be a massive spike in a few years once college debt really catches up to the 26+ year olds."
I really hope all the hipsters, liberals and feminists with their worthless gender studies degrees who have jobs as low paying baristas end up killing themselves, that would help out society a lot.
too many people
that's all it is. suicide is nature's way of thinning out the population.
do you miss him?
>>29136408
Not really, as feminism has hit an all time high and pushed women deeper into men's gender roles, their suicide rate has been on a crash course to converge with male suicide. They are more likely than ever to have to work like a man and have no fulfillment in life, to end up in their thirties and alone with no family or anything to show for their life but a bland job and student debt while all the men avoid them like the plague because women aren't worth the time or effort unless they're hot and young.
Women are basically turning into men but their skin is nowhere near thick enough to handle the struggles of being male.
>>29143211
the worst types of women are the 'career driven' types. they're all fucking miserable cunts who sucked down the independent female meme and they never once thought if that is what they actually want.
>>29143192
>Rich
>Successful
>Always tried to put on a positive attitude
>Adored by everyone
>Still couldn't make it
If suicide can take Robin, there's no hope for robots.
>>29144258
Blame his bitch wife who divorced him and made him pay her absurd amounts of money. Women made Robin do what he did. Fuck women.
