when did you realize we are living in dystopia? A broken society that will never work.
the rothertham rape scandal
I don't even live in britain and that is when I knew that this was the fall of rome and we were at the threshold of the next dark age.
When I realized how badly the industrial revolution has fucked the world and that we're due for ecosystem collapse in the near future.
I guess a century or two of increased creature comforts was worth the ultimate extinction of the species and a large number of other complex lifeforms.
>>29112066
I think learning about circumcision fully smacked me in the face. Genital Mutilation can be legal, simply because it makes certain people money.
Many things went on to solidify my belief, but circumcision incited the first doubt.
9/11
I was in 2nd grade at the time.
I remember watching it on my gym teachers TV. He always has the news going everyday. He just stared at it and didn't say a word as we all wondered wtf was happening. That's when I realized people can die, evil is real and innocent people will get hurt.
I think it goes deeper than just society
>>29112148
This is what I was thinking of. How normies believe with such certainty that the path we are on as a global civilization is perfect and without flaws.
They can't comprehend that maybe capitalism and the industrial revolution, was a mistake, or un-updated
>>29112233
fucked around and got a triple double
Explain what you mean though
>>29112066
One of the first times i smoked weed with my "new friends" freshman year of college (i know, that's a normie fucking thing to say) and the effect of the drug reoriented the way i heard the way these people talked and saw the ways they acted, all this very thinly concealed insecurity and selfishness in every single one of them, the way their language was literally memetic parroting as an attempt to connect with one another and it was all rooted in competition for pussy. and i was no exception, i saw myself speaking the same language and exhibiting the same behavior uncontrollably. i realized every single media and social influence i had taken for granted growing up was part of what was socializing me to fit neatly into some category in this society. it felt like a moment from a Lovecraft novel. stopped smoking weed shortly after, too. the moment of clarity was good, bitter medicine (unless ignorance is really bliss) but the panic-inducing and debilitating effects weren't worth it.
>>29112280
I highly doubt people actually THINK that modern society has any flaws. They may be oblivious to any flaws but thinking that way sounds absurd to me.
>>29112291
lightweight
origami cannoli
>>29112102
Makes your blood boil, doesn't it?
Luckily we live in a free world where people can sometimes be punished for their actions. :-)
Just look at this board, look how many broken people this society has created, just look at how many people are hooked on prescriptions, how many people feel alone.
Why is everyone so stressed out? This is supposed to be the apex on society where resources are vast and the standard of living is it its best. If so why is everyone so stressed and always on edge?
It really makes no sense why everyone feels this anxiety and on edge. I think the world would be a much better place if we stopped the standard of having everyone living on deadlines and schedules and actually let everyone live their life.
This is why homeschooled kids end up smarter and better off (even though they get damaged socially). The point is not that they are smart from being anti social, but because they get to work in stress free situations, if this could be applied to every aspect of society I think the world would be a much better place.
>>29112337
nah it was more the compound of marijuana's effect on my brain with the corrupt nature of the world. it always made me see things from a different, more outside perspective, but that stopped being a good thing after a few years of regular use when i peeled back layers of "enlightenment" and saw that reality is fucking shit.
>>29112280
The plan is to eat the marshmallow now and leave the empty plate for the next gen.
>>29112280
It literally takes a second to realize that infinite growth on a finite planet is impossible and we're due to crash sooner or later. Probably sooner.
>>29112370
>home schooled kids
>smarter and better off
>even though they get damaged socially
>implying social dysfunction isn't worse than being stupid
>implying most home schooled kids do well
>implying they don't end up as another reject on /r9k/
>>29112370
why is everyone stressed out and on edge? We're all trying to crawl our way to the top/or to a better future. There's so many people that each individual is becoming less and less significant. Drugs help us cope with it or at least numb us to the fact that things will only get more difficult. The rich will get richer, the poor wil be forgotten.
>>29112291
Yeah I know smoking weed is seen mostly as a normie thing but It can really open your eyes in some cases and make you look at everything different.
I've mostly come to see how robotic everyone is and how they all play the "game" that is social interaction, its infuriating seeing the lack of self awareness in society.
Going on about drugs, one thing I see broken about society is the war on drugs and how normies will treat drugs like murder. This board treats drugs like a normie activity but Ive come to see that most normies are anti drug and drug users usually quirky and robot tier.
The war on drugs and how people react to drugs has really shown me how deep society is brainwashed and how illogical it all is. The thought of it all really makes me want to kill myself.
>>29112370
Hard to say for sure why it be the way it do, but I have to think it has something to do with the evolutionary course of humanity upon growing opposable thumbs and discovering tools. This tool use has followed its natural and deterministic course of eventually providing greater "convenience" and complexity to reshape our lives, but now we are organic beings who cut off our own evolution by separating ourselves from the organic world and surrounding ourselves with technology. The world is predominantly a machine world now, and organic human beings are having to fall in line with the clear-cut, quantitative cold technological world order. It's a variation on survival of the fittest, instead it's survival of the most efficient, with efficiency being defined in its limited capacity by machines.
>>29112066
It barely matters. More than half of all humans will be killed off by the end of this century.
>>29112433
I was implying that the freedom they have yields more success while pointing out that I don't agree with homeschooling.
>>29112437
The point I'm trying to make is that all this stress is pointless. Stress is proven to be physically harmful. As humans we should be working together to achieve success.
Stress implies we are somehow in danger or slaves to the system, not apart of it. If humans were a little more self aware, we could make a society free of stress and more of creating a better life for everyone.
>>29112399
still not sure if i'd prefer to experience the collapse or not. it would suck, definitely, but there would be something validating about seeing it truly, irrefutably come crashing down like i knew it would. finally being proven right. like kirsten dunst in melancholia.
>>29112370
Problem is that deadlines allow for artificial synchronous action that is basically the only reason we can get as far as we can
Sure, if we all actually gave a crap about each other it could come naturally, but we don't. We need this artificial structure so we can pretend to be cohesive when really we're the exact opposite
>>29112478
>>29112534
I admit I do feel kind of satisfied when I see the normies around me preparing for their happy, successful normie lives, unknowing that they will probably die in a war or famine.
>>29112478
This idea also gets me. Why does everyone CARE so much about small issues like weed, or transgender bathrooms.
Can't we just move past it and have better lives? Let people do what they want with their own bodies or have their own bathrooms. I'm not a liberal or conservative, I just decide on these issues with logic.
Not really the point, I just don't see why normies are so arrogant that they think they should police others actions to the point of being unhappy. They would sacrifice so much just so they can erraticate those who are different from them it just makes no sense to me.
A couple days ago
>>29112561
Not what I'm saying. I think capitalism will create a system where we will work hard and set our own deadlines in order to make money and be a success while at the same time helping people.
The current system in place is a system where humans go through schooling preparing us to work in skilless environments like a factory or for a feudal lord.
It's like the west is a multitude of monarchies disguised as the idea of capitalism.
>>29112566
If you happen to feel depressed and suicidal, I'd suggest getting it over with soon, in the next 5-8 years. There's nothing in the coming decades that will be worth sticking around for.
>>29112703
Not even the deaths and suffering of the scores of people I hate?
>>29112066
>implying the heroes of this age aren't already alive
we do not see the revolution.. but we're in the midst of it... the beginnibg and end of an era
>>29112703
This idea has always made me think and want to move off from society
I've always wanted to start a commune of people from r9k and make our own society away from the normies.
>>29112679
That is capitalism senpai.
Welcome to the world the free market gave us.
>tfw the world socialist revolution failed to ignite in 1917
So close.
>>29112679
>I think capitalism will create a system where we will work hard and set our own deadlines in order to make money and be a success while at the same time helping people.
Did I get teleported a couple centuries into the past?
>>29112762
I was trying to say that the concept of capitalism and actually capitalism are 2 very different things. The concept of free market and capitalism is one where everyone prospers and succeeds while putting in a hand for the greater good
Actually capitalism has boiled down to the monarchies humans were trying to escape in disguise.
>>29112725
It won't end up meaning that much.
>>29112679
The problem is, when you take into account the interdependence involved in such a system, being able to do anything at all requires that whatever resources you use become available in predictable cycles
Our disguised form of feudalism is the means of achieving this. Sure, at the top of the food chain you can do what you want when you want, but the whole structure relies on a reliably oppressed and predictable source, or lower class.
>>29112812
That's the same Communists say about their theory. In the end, it doesn't matter how beautiful an idea is in concept, if it doesn't work in reality it should be tossed aside.
>>29112795
I'm saying the concept of capitalism was that and didn't actually end up that way. sorry, I'm bad at explaining my ideas.
>>29112837
Sure. I get what you mean.
However, to support >>29112833, it has no successful basis in reality (unless you're at the top, obviously.)
>>29112817
It'll feel pretty good at the moment.
>>29112822
Do you think a successful society can't prosper without a brainless lower class? Are humans really that helpless to the exploits of the elites?
>>29112833
I think that capitalism is obviously superior to the previous.
I just think we should always look to improve society and try out new ideas that might work better than capitalism.
>>29112066
Everyday man.
>call up comcast to tell them i want to cancel half my service
>they say if i cancel it, my price will go up even higher because a promo price is over
>i tell them the promo price ended, and im paying the high price now
>they say theres another level of promo price, a hidden one
>tell them i want to just cancel half anyways, ill pay the higher price, i dont care
>they have to transfer me again
>go through the entire thing with the next rep
>they tell me because im going to cancel, i qualify for the same price as before
Only 1.5 hours and being transferred between 4 different people. They kept just moving me to other people.
There was literally no reason for any of that to happen, they could have just did it with the first rep or just left my rates alone.
The first 2 reps just kept lying to me I guess to see if I would give up.
It doesn't affect me, I barely leave my house and when I do I treat other people as abstract shapes and colours who I have to communicate with in order to buy food and other goods.
>>29112872
Like I said, its what keeps the pretense of cohesion going
Without it there would be too much chaos to keep a "society" running unless human nature itself were to change. Someone needs to do the dirty work, yet no one wants to, so we need to manipulate them into doing it. It's evil to its core, but its the reason you have clothes, electronics and whatever other knickknacks. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Cohesive structures that aren't based on reciprocity will be based on false power instead. And the population of an entire country will never be empathetic enough to mutuqlistically reciprocate with itself
>>29112961
At least feudalism had a bit more security.
This might just be one of those dumb myths but I think I've read somewhere that primitive peoples are far less stressed than those of us in the developed world, which would make sense since they only have to worry about their next meal and shelter for the night instead of all of the abstract bullshit plaguing modern man.
>>29112965
How do you sustain never leaving your house? Like how do you get money, I want to know the ways.
>>29112980
Score another point for antinatalism.
>>29112994
I've actually wanted to just leave life and live in a van and smoke weed all day and just have fun while working a job to pay for gas and food.
The issue is I really cant see myself doing it since if it doesn't work out, I would be fucked in the sense that my current track would be broken, either I would have to go all in or not in at all.
I hate not being able to choose
>>29113000
I'm on disability payments for schizophrenia. I got schizophrenia from smoking too much pot in my teen years. You don't want schizophrenia, trust me, the anon on /r9k/.
>>29112283
I think the problem is that we need things just to exist and that reality will never be fully consensual
>>29112994
Not him but I've read things like that too, how collectively, present humanity has more overall 'stress' than earlier times.I will say that being raised in that lifestyle of not knowing if you'll have food to eat or a roof over your head the next day is largely suffering.
>>29113070
Schizophrenia is a generic disorder, anon. The term you are looking for is "onset", however, while I wouldn't say development of schizophrenia during one's teen years is impossible, onset generally occurs for males during the early 20s, and there has been no conclusive correlation found between marijuana and onset of schizophrenia.
Different anon, btw.
>>29113091
I think the issue with our consumerist society is you always need more. 100k a year isn't enough, you need 1million a year, but then 1million a year isnt enough, you need 10million a year, and so on.
It's a pointless cycle where we think we need more and more to the point where our money and items take over our identity and our original ambitions pointless.
I really feel like human nature makes it so we can never be happy
>>29113091
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_affluent_society
>>29113163
Definitely. Materialism promotes avarice and will never be a benefit. Nothing is ever good enough. What you have/own/"own" is never good enough. You are never good enough.
>>29113173
Can you tl;dr this for me? I don't mean to dismiss your post but I'll be honest and say that I have a game on my other monitor--and I'm cooking--so I'm trying to mitigate my multitasking. I will certainly check it out later when I'm free.
I can't decide if the answer to all of this is socialism or some sort of regression to pre-modern agrarian society.
When I was 9 years old
>Girl and I accidentally head butt each other
>Group swarm group and cheer her on and ask if she's okay. This includes a teacher.
>I'm isolated feeling pain
>Ask teacher why no one helped me yet they may as well have given her a fucking medal.
>He yells "BECAUSE SHE'S A GIRL!!"
>>29113114
Did you know that being under the influence of marijuana people display psychotic symptoms? Also there is no surprise that there is a lack of correlation between schizophrenia and weed as you can't accept the word of schizophrenic people in tests and it is most likely illegal to make people smoke weed until they develop mental illnesses hence there is no data.
>>29113236
at camp a girl had a concussion but they still let her play an aggressive camp game which included pushing and such. My friend accidentally pushed her over during the game.
One counselor started yelling at him about it and he just smirked and said "Why would you let her play if she has a concussion, that seems like your fault" and the counselor got so mad it was funny as fuck.
>>29112066
After reading the bible as a child, dude c'mon.
>>29113268
Okay, anon.
I wish you luck in your ignorant life where you believe that your personal opinion trumps empiricism and academic merit.I can only assume that you're young with little education/knowledge and I sincerely hope that you improve this one day.No hostility intended. Good luck to you.
>>29113201
Tl;dr, hunter gatherers eat better than modern man and work less hours
>>29113324
Oh for sure. That is entirely plausible. Not even surprising. I'd wager that they were healthier too, literally living off the land and probably in that sweet sweet ketosis.
>>29112066
When I realized I don't know what what reality is anymore. I know God loves us but what is reality? Where are the Ubermenschen? They are supposed to save us, or have we killed them all? Are we living in the apocalypse?
>>29112066
When I comprehended death at age 4
>>29113324
>tfw we're all going to die choking on our collective refuse and we didn't even really get a higher living standard in return
>>29113401
where did you have yours, anon? mine was around 5 or 6, i remember vaguely two instances of sudden existential fear of death, one in bed and one in the bathtub but i forget which came first.
We are already living in the matrix
98% of my conversations, my interactions between people are online
Stepping outside of my house feels unreal from all of the video games.
I don't even enjoy outside because there are so many fucking imported humans that barely speak the given language.
Why isn't there a landmass that I can retreat to. I want to be the pioneers, not another wilted plant among deadfall.
>>29113229
Global suicide is the real solution
Or a robotic working class (inb4 they become sentient and start a revolt)
Or complete VR immersion w/ time dilation, so that the simulation can go on indefinitely from an experiential perspective but take up a miniscule amount of time IRL
Or some other kind of completely self-sustaining system, like a closed loop of some kind
>>29113446
Antarctica.
>>29112102
I think the scandal is that it wasn't a scandal at all. The Europeans are absolutely apathetic towards their land and culture being destroyed right in front of them by hordes of rapey muslims.
>>29113319
Not him, but you just really had to butt in with the last word, didn't you? Empiricism and academic merit can't stop people (like you) from behaving like an animal. Blind faith in human institutions ignores the reality of human nature.
