What are /r9k/'s thoughts on libertarianism? Is this robot-approved ideology?
>>29061593
Yes
Any rational individual knows that any kind of collectivism will lead to statism and totalitarianism. I support free minds and free markets
>tfw selling weapons to both the commies and the nazis and taking their land once they kill each other off
there is no such thing as a small government. Either government is controlled by consensus or it is controlled privately. Both models are vulnerable to corruption. Libertarianism is nothing other than the adolescent fantasy that if only the big bad father figure let you go out on your won, you'd show him who's boss. In the real world, rampant business collusion, monopolization, and resource dominance would take over in a very short order.
Don't tread on me or my wife's son ever again.
>>29061593
libertarianism is gay, anybody who thinks people know what's best for themselves or think rationally at all is living in a delusion
>>29061709
you ever wonder why both you and the commies feel the same way?
it's almost like you both have the same syndrome
>>29061773
you ever wonder why there has literally never been a libertarian system in the history of mankind?it's because it collapses in such a short time that it doesn't even make it into history books, you juvenile autistic half-wit
>>29061593
Libertarianism is for ignorant faggots who don't understand the benefits of a strong government.
This board is /pol/ under a different name.
we've been over this before.
capitalism and excessive freedom is what led to robots in the first place.
people are taught to live only for the material world, and ignore the past, future, and the greater world around them. culture, tradition, etc. are all ignored in favor of instant gratification.
libertarianism just amplifies all of these problems.
it's pretty much giving chad an even freer reign to fuck everyone over.
>>29061912
amen brobot
>>29061593
Communism is an approved robot ideology
>>29061747
>authoritarian left
Holy shit, it's basically impossible to get that because the compass test is fucked. How'd you do it?
>>29061826
Okay, we of the Free Robot Disputed Zone will make you a deal:
You get your government, you get your cops.
HOWEVER.
Police conduct, ANY police misconduct: death penalty. This goes double for feds.
You know the laws, you're the ones enforcing them, you fuck up, it's your ass.
This is our offer. You may return the signed form to our moonbase.
>>29061593
>DA FREE MARKUT
kill yourself
>>29062610
Friend, you haven't answered our offer.
You can have your cops. You can call them SS or commissars, to your taste. All we ask is that they be held to a higher standard.
Surely, that's not too much to ask?
how did 4chan become a den of authoritarian faggots
>>29062724
Right libertarianism is authoritarian. You just change which institution holds authority over you. In this case it would be corporate authority.
>>29062819
no left "libertarianism" is authoritarianism because collectivism inherently leads to things like fascism/communism/socialism
read an economics book sometime
>>29062636
>moonbase AI actually figures out a way to make statism work
>brings back the priest caste as a bonus
>everyone ignores it
This is why I spend all my time in the simulation.
>>29061593
Yeah no it would be great to have to pay like 40 different tolls just to drive down to the city and then be sold into sexual slavery by Chad and his private militia, that sounds great. Super robot ideology you have there.
>>29061593
Anarcho-capitalism master race reporting in.
Individual > society always, only live for yourself because nothing else really matters.
>>29062849
I'm not a left-libertarian either. No ideology is truly individualist.
>>29061593
Asks leeches about their thoughts on a just ideology that wont let them be leeches.
>>29062933
How dufug is natural law equals negative rights?
>>29063054
RULES OF NATURE obviously
>>29062933
>Anarcho-Capitalist
>Anarcho
>Capitalist
pick one nerd
>>29061593
Only rational idealology.
I'm an ancap myself.
All I want is to take my inheritance when I get it, buy some land and gun, grow and hunt my own food and get my own energy with solar panels. Only utility would be internet. But thanks to you statist neet scums I'll have to get a job to pay property tax every year.
>>29063208
You'd probably be enslaved in anarcho-capitalism.
>>29063263
I would start my own commune in the woods where only my family and family friends are allowed to stay and everyone will be armed.
>>29061593
If by robot-approved you mean the most autistic ideology in existence, sure it's robot-approved.
>>29063208
I'm an an-...something.
Obviously, people are worthless next to good AI. No one seems to have any solution for that.
>>29063301
You would die in a week.
I'm proud to be a libertarian (with a small "l"). However, this election cycle I'm also a Libertarian (with a big "L"). I don't care what anyone says, Gary Johnson is the best presidential candidate out of any party, at least during this round.
Take the time and research his platform. You may like what you see.
Oh, and it's not "wasting my vote" to go Libertarian. I'm from New York, which will unquestionably go to Hillary. So, voting for Democrat or Republicans is a waste of a vote. By voting Libertarian, I'm signalling that I oppose both parties, and they need to cater to my libertarian ideals to get my vote in the future.
>>29063301
Then MegaCorp would buy out all the land around you and starve you out. That's assuming they want to follow the NAP. They could just storm the place with their private security force.
>>29063193
>We called ourselves anarchists first! *sob sob* Anarcho-capitalism is not really anarchism! *sob sob* We ... we trademarked the term *sob sob*
Every leftist anarchist ever
>>29063355
But that's what they'd do NOW. That shit has ALREADY TRANSPIRED. Your best arguments against ancap are... that it's like things are now?
>>29063354
I'm sure letting in a bunch of brown people who always vote for big government will help you get a libertarian future.
>>29061593
Le originalu comento, desu
>>29063383
Because Ancapistan really wouldn't be all the different from now. We already have a precedent for life under minimally regulated capitalism: the Victorian era. With no state to regulate anything these companies will do whatever they fuck they want.
>>29061593
Iste comentario e muito original
>>29063208
Be honest with me, have you ever worked a job in your life? No an-cap I've ever met has ever worked a day in his life, which is why they don't see why without any government private industry would be screwing workers all the time.
>>29063424
wowrdswowrds
>>29063360
Ancap is a fucking joke. I don't know how these Ayn Rand dick riding fedora tippers rake their delusions seriously
>>29063456
I work an under the table construction job for 5 dollars an hour and no lunch break.
>>29063477
We don't like Ayn Rand, and she doesn't like us. Completely different idealologies m8. Do more research so you actually know what you're talking.
>>29063477
It comes from growing up under an internet run by and for commies.
A decade or so of that, you'll go all-in on ANYTHING that looks like it'll take their boot off your back.
>>29063301
1. Anybody who chooses to violate the NAP will instantly ruin your vision. Hope you have enough money to hire private military if a corporation decides the road they'd like to build running through your land or the resources on it is more valuable than PR or the time and effort it takes to squash a bunch of backwater farmers with guns. It will be.
2. Enjoy your surroundings being polluted if there's half a reason to be in the area. Air and water aren't a property right.
3. When a blight kills all your ditch corn and the crab apples don't last the winter and it's time to go back to society and read books and be a cog for a living, you're just as fucked as your neighbor who isn't getting an inheritance
this is your typical ancap folks
>finally dad died so I can homestead and live a life of phreedum :DDDD call off the government guys, I got mine, let everyone else starve
>>29063512
I like Ayn Rand. She was a tough bitch.
>inb4 social security
>inb4 she had sex and that makes her a bad person
>>29063485
Well it's good you're working the ancap way.
>>29063456
Not him but most ancaps I've met were like McDonalds assistant managers or work at the Geek Squad or something and just constantly daydreamed of starting their own grassroots iphone company or whatever under their fictitious utopia and somehow becoming millionaires.
>>29063485
>underpaid
>exploited
>no rights
Practice what you preach huh? Well kudos for that at least.
>>29063540
>Hope you have enough money to hire private military if a corporation decides the road they'd like to build running through your land or the resources on it is more valuable than PR
That shit happens RIGHT THE FUCK NOW. People get their homes taken and the land's used to build shit for Pfizer. The thing that's supposed to stop this from happening-- the government-- doesn't.
>>29063552
cucking your husband makes you a bad person.
>>29063540
1. No one will be allowed to break the NAP.
We will still have laws.
2. Pollution is a violation of the NAP.
3. Then that will be my problem then, won't it?
>>29063552
Well if you're a libertarian, she despised you.
>mfw plebs know de Toqueville's "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" quote by heart but with no context
>mfw they don't know about his 'poisonous equality' quote
why don't you regulate your dumbposting
>>29063603
And it wouldn't change in libertopia. Most national leaders would love if their state had unregulated capitalism, which is why they did for so long. Since Lenin they've basically been forced to keep some degree of regulation and allow unionism so they wont have to deal with gommunist revolutions.
>>29061593
This ideology would hurt robots more than anything else you fucking retard
Literally Chad: the ideology
>>29063657
Yeah. So your strongest argument against this is "it won't change anything".
>>29063615
>1. No one will be allowed to break the NAP.
>We will still have laws.
How will they be enforced?
>2. Pollution is a violation of the NAP.
How will it be enforced?
>>29063615
1 & 2. Who is going to stop them?
3. "Come on guys give unbridled capitalism a chance! If the whole world goes to shit, well it's on us isn't it?"
>>29063683
No, the argument is that it will be worse because without any state to enforce even minimal regulation that shit will become an open, everyday thing.
>>29062059
i read mein kampf and it blew my mind
>>29063755
Hitler wasn't a lefty though.
>>29063687
Police. People will willingly fund the police so they can receive protection.
>tfw every fucking Chad that I knew went into business/marketing, as well as some manlets and a few betas
It all makes sense now. Most robots either didn't go to Uni or college, or they went into STEM or even sometimes sociology or liberal arts or something.
Honestly, I'm okay with a libertarian society and not full on ancap, I just don't want my money being stolen. As it is the state will be stealing 150k from my inheritance money alone. I just want to be able to go live away from society without people interfering.
>>29063777
The police is a government service.
In freedomland, there will be multiple competing private armed militias who all live by their own rules and methods and all claim the same territory and really only care to get paid by whatever means necessary.
>>29063773
on that compass hitler would probably get further left than i did
>>29063777
Why would any person protect people who don't pay them? This becomes a race to see who can get the most money for the least service like any commodity. In the end, you'll be left paying what a corrupt company wants and whether or not they'll protect you and how well will be up in the air because they'll be unaccountable. If your neighbor who pays 10% extra up front is having an issue, you can be sure they'll swing by when it's all settled at his place. At the very, very least if your system doesn't have anyone more competitive business capable of stopping others from entering the market, you'll have your choice of one of ten impotent squads of dumb asses with guns too stupid to collude. Eventually if a company wants to, they'll steam roll Billy Bob and Riley along with your log cabin.
>>29063987
whoops didn't let the site load
>>29063987
again, you are describing the way things are now
>subtle classism/racism against white trash
"wouldn't it be great if we could just march all the hicks into death camps and seize their land for the principality of New New York" -lits u
>>29063987
>>29064010
Fun fact this was actually common practice in NYC in the 1800s. There was multiple private firefighting companies who all claimed the same territories. So as just a fucking guy living in his house or a business owner you had to pay protection money multiple times over.
When a fire broke out, more often than not it resulted in competing firefighters all trying to sabotage each others' equipment and often resulting in bloody fights while buildings were burning in front of them.
but hey freedom and liberty
>>29064080
but he used a current screenshot
>>29064058
and what you're advocating is even worse.
Notice how every freedomtard here is just saying "boohoo I don't want to pay taxes I want mommy's money and to hide way with it" and not actually saying "I want a better world for myself and everyone"/
>>29064058
Except most of the developed world has public services that are at least somewhat accountable, and the government keeps things from going to hell for the sake of money.
>things sort of suck already lets go full fucking retard
- lits u
>>29064102
Yes but it's not common practice today.
>>29064133
But they'll get worse anyway.
>>29064080
>When a fire broke out, more often than not it resulted in competing firefighters all trying to sabotage each others' equipment and often resulting in bloody fights while buildings were burning in front of them.
you completely made this up.
>>29064221
Why would they? I don't know where you live, but in the US they're mostly public services and not profit-oriented. The police are ripe for reform, but government intervention can only improve the system and we still have the clout to make it happen.
I prefer a system 40-60% effective with room for improvement to a system 100% effective for Rockefellers and Waltons and 0% effective for anybody else.
>>29064246
The NYC fire fighters are a classic example and often somewhat overblown, but it wasn't a good time. If you want a contemporary example that hints at the quality of an an-cap police service, imagine >>29064010 in every city in America but the companies have no reason to keep prices competitive.
>>29064246
>completely made it up.
I wish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed#cite_note-9
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_firefighting
>>29061593
all extremists are fucking retarded desu. too far to any side and it just doesnt work.
Who /classical liberal/ here?
Voting for Gary Johnson this election. The Libertarian party has more than a fair share of looneys but they draw support from both major parties and are not necessarily a spoiler. I think Johnson is a pretty likable businessman who has experience and could work with both Dems and Reps better than any other candidate running. He won't win, but I would like to see a third party candidate be included in presidential debates in the future and public discussion of election reform.
>>29064246
He did not make this up. This is documented fact and was used in films like gangs of new york to demonstrate how chaotic things were with no regulation.
I have an addendum: in ancient rome, there was a firefighter who owned slaves that he has put out fires. When a home was burning, he would rush to the scene and offer to buy the home for a miniscule amount. Like $10,000 for a $300,000 home. If you as the owner didn't sell, he would let it burn a little more and then ask $5000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_firefighting
Read the "rome" section.
That's what libertariansm is, you retarded faggot.
>>29062849
anybody who spouts the "if you aren't a libertarian you don't understand economics" meme doesn't understand economics
Most economists are Keynesians; 92% of economists believed the stimulus decreased the jobless rate:
http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel/poll-results?SurveyID=SV_cw5O9LNJL1oz4Xi
>>29061593
>libertarian thread
Only correct libertarianism is libertarian socialism famalam
>>29065669
>>29065669
voting for him too
I'm not libertarian on everything but at the end of the day libertarianism protects enough of my self interests. Trump wants to create an authoritarian regime and Hilary is an ogliarch
>>29063552
>the Bolshevik revolution opens up universities to more women and allows her an education
>uses it to go across the Atlantic to the US and bitch about Communism for the rest of her life
Ungrateful bitch.
>>29063773
National Socialism was the result of a retarded attempt to fuse together reactionary and revolutionary ideologies which is like trying to mix oil and water and went about as well.
>>29065747
I remember that movie. It's still better than the shit authoritarians want. I don't want Trump's death squads or Hilary's continuation of Obama's quantum inserting
>>29066399
naw it's more scaled up tribalism than anything else. National socialists wanted Germans to turn itself into a global empire and dominate everything at all costs. They planned on building their economy off colonizing everyone else
>>29066399
The Nazis were just Keynesians dialed up to an 11.
>there are robots in here right now who don't realize that capitalism is part of the reason their lives suck
Capitalism is a system that turns people into interchangeable commodities, steals the fruits of their labor, and fosters the worst qualities of human nature while suppressing the good ones.
>but I don't want the government to take my hard earned money!
That's already happening, only it's not the government sucking away at the fruits of your labor, it's your boss. Some faggot sits there and does jack shit while you do all of the work and make him rich.
>but socialism has never worked any of the times it has been tried!
Every single socialist state has sprung from the poison root of the USSR, and built using the Soviet model. That says something about Marxist-Leninist ideology, not the idea of collective ownership itself.
Hell, even a return to feudalism would be preferable.
>>29066479
they were also heavily protectionist
something authoritarian collectivists like drumpf and comrade bernie want to implement in the US
>>29066444
They were a basically reactionary group but they tried to throw in a bunch of random leftist catchphrases and ideas here and there, because socialism was pretty big at the time and they wanted to draw in as many fence sitters as possible.
Pic related.
>>29066496
>Capitalism is a system that turns people into interchangeable commodities, steals the fruits of their labor, and fosters the worst qualities of human nature while suppressing the good ones.
Capitalism is the only system that allows for individualism. Other than that it's either right wing authoritarians who want genocide and gibsmedat for white males or it's leftists who want complete control and gibsmedats for nogs
>>29066509
>the free market fixes everything goyim the chinks know what's best for you oy gevalt
>>29066496
> labor
stopped reading there.
stupid wagecucks.
>>29066550
There is nothing wrong with the dictatorship of the people. Revolution is inherently authoritarian. The only problem with authoritarianism is when it's a few ruling over the many.
>>29066628
there is nothing wrong with authoritarianism
Visit any African country, any middle eastern country, most asian countries, or south america
>>29061593
>lolbertarianism
>>29066670
Is Japan an authoritarian country?
>>29066703
no japan is classical liberal (I.e. libertarian)
that's why i'm a weeaboo
>>29066722
>no guns
>strict drug enforcement
>socially conservative for the most part
>""""""""""libertarian"""""""""""
>>29066752
yeah but they have a much lower age of consent and lolis
>>29066701
>not shooting at the stasi
we won't meet in valhalla
>>29066722
>30 year sentence for marijuana possession
>Libertarian
My sides!
No, because of the lack of social benefits. Robots are invalids and depend on neet/autismbucks to survive.
>>29066380
The same resolution that took her family earnings two times. Yeah, totally good you retarded.
>>29066872
>muh property
Oh who will think of the poor Bourgeoisie? All we wanted to do was exploit in peace!
>>29062933
How is Ancap not completely on the side of egoism? Shit Magnet.
>>29066890
congratulations on being so horrible that you breathed life into /pol/
