should the us government pay reparations to black Americans? Y/N and why?
No, because they would squander it like the dumb mayates they are.
>>29024702
no
black american cultural capital couldn't handle that kind of windfall
on the aggregate their economic output is comparable to canada or australia, so they're doing just fine by global standards
just get marxists out of education and stop enabling the broken family model to perpetuate
No. Even if the people who dealt with these things were alive (mostly not), how would money change anything? It's motivated by pure greed.
>>29024702
>250 years of letting yourself get and keep enslaved
>90 years of failing to enforce political domination
>60 years of failing to enforce cultural domination
>35 years of failing to stop committing crime
>>29024702
FUCK no
there should be mass genocide of negroes
i would fully support giving black people a shit load of money, but they would also have to go back to africa
completely fair. get the fuck out of this country, you have no use to us anymore
>>29024702
the "us" government should pay the fucking taxes it owes to the uk first
>>29024702
>Don't be snitchin!
>I'm a pimp dat HOE!
>Ay yo I'mma shoot dis muddafugga!
Look, I don't deny that history the black race has endured in America has had a lasting impact on them, especially in terms of how much wealth their ancestors have been able to pass down to the modern generation.
However at the same time they and we need to take a look at black culture, too. They are the main cause of most of their problems today. The culture in black neighborhoods discourages lawful behavior and education, it leads children to be grown up raised in single-parent (mother) households dependent on the government for support. It encourages senseless violence.
Blacks are set-up for failure from cradle to grave... mostly by their own culture.
So if you want me to care then you need to bring this to light and address it rather than continuing to blame white people who have already done for black people everything they were obligated to do. They abolished slavery, they abolished discrimination in the law. They gave blacks the reigns; the ability to control their own destiny.
What more do they want?
>>29024774
slavery aside
what about jim crow,redlining,etc.
>>29024702
Blacks standard of Living was going up and they had higher levels of marital stability prior to welfare being implemented.
In fact you could count Welfare as a form of reparation if one really wanted to talk about repayment for past wrongs.
Anyways, giving them redistributed wealth has just about destroyed any social structure and culture they possessed 60 years ago realistically giving them more free shit would just hinder the black and every other community in the US further.
Also why not ask the Muslims for reparations first? They were way more brutal on their slaves than the Western world ever was.
>>29024912
The ones that are still alive could argueable be entitled to some sort of reparation, depending on what sort of unjust sufferings they had to endure.
One could also argue that as long as the state based its laws on what was generally considered to be just and/or moral at the time then the fact that they changed the laws and strived towards changing the societal norms when they came to a different conclusion is enough, allthough I guess an official apology wouldn't be in bad taste.
Unfortunately I'm not that well versed in the jim crow-laws and I've never heard of redlining so I can't really make any deep comments regarding it.
>>29024702
yeah but not because of moral debts. inherited guilt is a load of crap.
because if your grandfather stole something from another guys grandfather, you should have to give it back to his descendants who would have it. because of slavery, and jim crow white people are at a significant economic advantage.
>>29024702
I'm half black. Do I have to pay reparations or do I get paid?
>>29024702
Yes it should pay them in bullets fired from rifles
Nah, any welfare money should go to the most needy first, some old dude sleeping rough has it worse than a millionaire basketball player.
>>29025294
you do both
Should women be paid reparations for the 78 cents on the dollar they make to men?
>>29025245
Not that dude but redlining is basically giving minorities bad rates on loans and mortgages and not selling them property in certain areas. Making some areas heavily concentrated with minorities thus reducing property value and making it hard for them to acquire wealth and move out of these shit places. That's my understanding of it anyway
>>29024702
>250 years of slavery
pretty misleading there, you might as well take the same logic and extend to all slavery and say anyone on earth should pay up to virtually everyone else....
besides that, zipperheads had an objectively harder time surviving in america and they pulled ahead of whites. there is 0 reason to believe that America relies at all on throwing money at black people. It might be ironic that we give away so much more to a handful of blacks in Africa, but it also proves that it will NEVER help them, here or there.
>>29024702
350,000 dead Union soldiers isn't enough?
Guess you can't buy crack cocaine with it so it isn't enough for the dindus.
>>29024702
Speaking as a half native aboriginal, reparations have completely fucked over the redman making most lazy drunks/drug addicts who blame all their problems on the EVIL WHITEMAN. I imagine they say will happen with the blacks; they could not possibly handle any sort of compensation, it'll continue to fuck over their communities and blame the whites even more.
>>29025626
Yes, they should just tax men and give it to women to even it out.
>>29024777
Meanwhile, whites:
>thousands of years of letting yourself get and keep enslaved
>90 years of failing to enforce traditional values
>60 years of failing to stop cultural marxism
>35 years of failing to stop third wave feminism
No. we just need basic income for all
>>29024947
Welfare is anti-reparations because it mostly enables degenerates.
>>29024702
Fine, but only if niggers pay reparations for pic related.
>>29025294
Perfect video response for the occasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
>>29024912
Money will not change anything, like I said. Are you impaired?
>>29025816
>/pol/tard conveniently forgetting about the confederate soldiers who paid the ultimate price in their fight to preserve proto-nigger values
Kill yourself.
>>29025888
why not both?
and eliminate all other social welfare, affirimitive action, etc.
>>29025888
Someday we will tax the rich 99% of their income, and pay out that wealth as basic income proportional to the number of ditches the masses dig and then refill each day.
And America will become great again.
>>29024947
that's because of pic related. genuine reparations would go out to every black person equally
>>29025951
Confederate soldiers dying changes what exactly? more union soldiers died than confederates
>>29025989
>he thinks basic minimum income is Keynesian
>he has never read Adam Smith, Henry George, or Thomas Paine
economic casuals, when will they learn?
>>29026021
Is my sarcasm that subtle?
>tfw smith and especially sowell all over my bookshelf
>>29025989
You dont even have to tax the rich more. just eliminate existing welfare and replace it with a flat rate universal income and for people under 18 a % of their basic income goes into a college fund which will solve the student loans crisis
>>29026009
>caring about one side rather than the entire tragedy
Go back to tumblr.
>>29024702
Why? I never understood why descendants should be held accountable/get reparations for what their ancestors did/endured.
"Your great great grandfather killed mine, so now you owe me 5,000,000 in reparations, even if it all happened long before you and me were born" what kind of fucked up logic is that?
>>29026041
>reading comprehension
try looking at the first greentext again.
>>29025876
This is actually pretty accurate.
No. No American alive today is responsible for slavery, so why should any of us apologize for something we had no hand in? Besides, theyd just piss away what ever they got. Just like with every other government hand out they've been given. Ignoring all those facts, why not go after the Dutch who brought their ancestors here? Or maybe the descendents of rival tribes in Africa wo captured and sold their ancestors to the Dutch in the first place?
>>29026138
Misconception. Reparations is payment for the damage done to black people because the actions in the past have consequences in the present. It's not payment for slavery but an attempt to compensate for the impact slavery still has in their lives today. The country still holds animosity towards black people and holds them down is the argument
>>29026263
The issue is that the problem they are having now isn't financial. It is cultural.
Giving a bunch of people who have no interest in bettering themselves or improving others view of their race and culture money isn't going to accomplish anything meaningful, you'll just see more niggers in new cars with a pile of debt behind them.
>>29026138
>the mass man has no concept of honour
who knew
>>29024702
GIBS ME DAT money muhfugga
>>29026263
Slavery is the excuse made by liberals after their policies began to drive things into the ground after 60s.
The truest form of reparations was waning former slaves and their descendants off of the cult of white dependency fostered by the antebellum zeitgeist and subsequent nadir years.
Industrialization and the comparatively freer markets of the late 19th and first half of the 20th Century offered everyone - blacks, whites, immigrants, etc. - improvement by leaps and bounds. And black economic and educational advancements during that period were tremendous.
>>29025791
>it also proves that it will NEVER help them, here or there.
Dumping lots of free stuff on markets destroys markets by making it impossible to compete.
There's a reason why tariffs exist in developed countries.
>>29024702
Is nobody seriously going to point out that this infographic is objectively wrong.
-America born in 1776 is only 240 years old.
-90 years of Jim Crow is outrageous as well. That assumes Jim Crow laws happened directly after the Civil War.
60 years of separate but equal is also false.
Why the fuck are any of you even discussing this shitty infograph?
>>29026263
>Reparations is payment for the damage done to black people because the actions in the past have consequences in the present. It's not payment for slavery but an attempt to compensate for the impact slavery still has in their lives today.
You'll have to be more specific here. What kind of damage? What kind of negative impact slavery has on Tyrell in 2016, with all the grants, affirmative action and welfare here to help him? None. This is the exact same narrative some jew kids have while demanding monetary comensation for death camps. In the end they just want free stuff and maybe some kind of status since being a victim is a status symbol in this dystopian SJW era.
Reminder that arabs (and jews, mind you) enslaved black people for a long time too, and that white slavers often bought black slaves... from black people, in exchange for crappy glass jewellery and shit. Why aren't they demanding compensation from arab countries, israel and every african country, if the supposed negative impact of slavery is the problem here?
>>29026541
Not saying it's right but
>slavery began in 1776
Jim Crow became constitutional in the mid 1890s. 250 years before that was the 1640s, when slavery was sanctioned in the colonies.
Though, mind you, the first slaveholder was black.
>>29024702
If blacks need reparations so much why can't they make their own?
>>29026734
Because personal responsibility is politically incorrect.
>>29026734
Because they are violent, impulsive, and most importantly on averge have borderline mentally retarded IQs
I hope before I die there comes a time when people realize this and we can shoot them for sport
>>29026794
Maybe you should stop buying into the Jewish narrative that they weren't doing anything between slavery and the civil rights act.
>>29024702
Black dude here.
If you pay reparations to us, you'll also have to pay it to the Irish, islanders and other nationalities as well which we were seen as abusive to. It's not really worth it nowadays, since no one has experienced slavery and we already somewhat have systems in place which work as reparations.
>>29026884
The Appalachians and Southerners should be paid reparations too.
>>29026884
white people should be paid reparations for the crimes your race commits daily
>>29024702
>what is welfare
Original gibs me dat
>>29024702
That would set a precedent for whey country being responsible for giving pay outside to every defendant of every person and national that they had wronged in the past. Imagine asking Italy to pay reparations to everyone in western Europe and north Africa to atone for the Roman empire. I am not responsible for the crimes of my ancestors any more than these people are the victims of slavery. Also lets say we do say you are responsible for your parents/grandparents crimes, suddenly everyone related to a criminal has to pay for a crime they did not commit. Given that slavery was legal back then as well the whole thing is even more ridiculous.
Let us not forget that you cannot ride on the sins/work of your father's, look at how the welfare state is going, it's only a matter of time until the well runs dry. Also slavery want big at all in the US. originally, after 7 years, the slave (who was actually a servant by legal standards) was released as a free man, that was until one black man wanted slaves instead of servants. Even the civil war was fought by whites I dont know what blm is all about, whites were and are chill, stop complaining about things like the Confederate flag
http://blackinamerica.com/content/272507/anthony-johnson-the-first-black-slave-master
http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/03/black_slave_owners_did_they_exist/
Yes, definitely. Even if things are equal in education and employment they are not equitable, and a lot of black children are left behind. The government should make every effort to get black children on par educationally and professionally with white children. Further, individual white people should take independent steps to pay reparations.
A particularly vicious problem in the black community is colorism- blacks often berate each other for having dark skin, and a lot of black men prefer mixed or white women to full blooded African ones. White society is completely at fault for these Eurocentric beauty standards, and whites should be the ones who pay up for them. White women should make an effort to have sex with a fair number of black men, even if they're already in relationships with white men. If a white woman has not slept with five black men, she's not only bigoted but she's also depriving black men of their desires while simultaneously inculcating a white superiority attitude into them. Only a guiltless, shameless racist would refuse to have sex with black men. White men, similarly, should have more sex with black women. Many black women also suffer from colorism and want mixed children, white men should be the first to step forward and give them children and pay their child support. White men should also begin masturbating to more interracial porn and adopt a cuckold lifestyle to encourage their white partners and daughters to go black, or they should give up on women entirely and become femboys dedicated to pleasing black studs. Thankfully all of this is already happening subconsciously, but it would help if awareness grew and we eliminated the ugly stigmas surrounding this.
sure. send them all back to africa and close the borders too.
>>29027513
I also think some helpful changes could be made at a policy level. There is stil a frightening degree of racism, and stereotypically black names are associated with far lower acceptance on resumes. I think an easy solution for this would be a white womb black child policy. Every white woman has to give birth to at least one black child, preferably this would be when they're young and certain to conceive (18-22). Having a child makes you love all children, and women having black children will dramatically increase the acceptance of blacks by whites and rapidly corrode the remainders of a racist society. Of course, white men and women should have to pay for the children as a part of reparations.
>>29024702
We paid for all slave labor through welfare already, so the idea of giving more reparations on top of all the welfare is absolutely ridiculous.
>>29024866
White people in West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee have the same drug use, teenage pregnancy, and unemployment numbers, but Appalachian whites don't go to prison as much because they abuse legal drugs like oxy, xanax, and lortab instead of weed and crack. So the culture just comes from being poor.
>>29024702
No, hundreds of thousands of Whites died in the civil war which emancipated Blacks
>>29026931
Exactly. To be fair, we'd have to give a lot more money for reparations which won't be worth it.
>>29026961
You white people would have to give me reparations for hanging my doggo as a kid first, although I think that there was a black kid in that group, so I'd just assholes in generals would give reperations, so it would still work out somewhat with you
>>29027323
It can't remember it exactly, but wasn't it a small percentage of people, even in the South who owned slaves?
>>29027722
They do not commit as many violent crimes either
I love niggers, they are never the least responsible for anything. Everything that has happened before they were born wasn't their fault, sure that's completely logical but apparently everything that's happened to them after they were born and are adults isn't their fault either. Apparently niggers are children but children don't have the right to vote. Look at this pic, apparently a program targeted to catch bike thieves is somehow racist? Are niggers just genetically predisposed to rob bikes or commit crime? It's the cities fault that they steal? Niggers are never responsible for anything and it's always someone else's fault and they must pay for the actions that niggers commit.
Brits arent paying me for fucking up my Ancestors in Ireland for far longer than dindus and I dont care because Im not a gibsmedat nigger.
>>29028224
>how dare they try to catch us in the act of stealing
>those fucking racists!!!
>>29028224
>steal bait bike
>go to jail
SHEEEEEEEEEEEET NIGGA WHITE MAN KEEPIN US DOWN
>>29024702
If this happens then everyone should get a bunch of money, all our ancestors have been raped and dominated by a superior force. My boss dominates me because i depend on him financially he should pay reparations since I have to go to a shitty job, school system should have to pay reparations for allowing blacks to bully me beat me up and constantly mock me for 12 years of my life and all black parents should have to pay reparations to me for their bullying sons
What about dem programs that benefit black people and affirimative action/ racial quotas that give black people opportunities just for being black?
Sorry nobody is giving you an unneccesary amount of money on a silver plater just becayse your great great great uncle Jamal had to puck cotton.
>>29024866
This. There is a lot of shot black people have to go through just for being black, but it is mostly their own fault.
>>29024702
can I claim reparations from north africa and libya for the barbary slave trade?
>>29024702
Even though I don't need or want it, I would support the government giving black people more handouts. I'm going to be a 23 yr old virgin because I'm one of the few blacks living in small republican town. I've tried so hard to get a job to move, but nobody will hire blacks so I'm stuck. I want to see these cunts suffer
>>29026794
Wew lad
>they are violent
>can't wait until we can shoot them for sport
If you look to the right, you be able to see the common /pol/tard. A common species in this region. Known to be able to spit venomous hypocrisy directly from his sphincter without the slightest self awareness. Notice his mating call. In the same breath he can speak of the legendary brutality of his kind, while condemning other for their much lower levels.
>>29024702
I'm black: no.
We get a lot of shit for what other black people have done, and it's not fair that white people get shit for stuff they personally didn't do either. Yeah, almost every white guy on this board wouldn't hesitate to call me a monkey or a nigger. But no, just because you all lump me in with them, doesn't mean you deserve the same from us. It makes us no better than the primates you say we are.
Reparations are stupid.
>>29028224
See but that's (pic related) the catch22. If you call the cops in any neighborhood about a stolen bike, the police will laugh at you, write a report, and you'll never hear from them again. Only in black neighborhoods will you find petty shit like this happening. I live in a upper middle class gated community, and teens steal unattended bikes like it's nobodies business, and cops wouldn't do anything close to this fix the problem. Some fucking asshole teen stole a $1200 bike from me, and I found out who did it. I called the police, and you know what they did? Told the kid to give me my bike back, no harm no foul, and sent him on his way.
>>29024721
>i shouldn't have to pay people money i owe them because i don't like how they will spend it
>>29029450
Nobody owes black people anything
>>29029691
your people just had a massive riot last night. At least us mayates stick to one city at a time with our riots. You pisas have had a riot every week for 2 months
>>29029182
You seem cool and not like a nigger familia. Have a nice day.
>>29029450
Bankers can do it, why cant we?
Fuck reparations. Will just take out of white wimmins asses, when we pump and dump.
>>29029747
Nobody will admit to this but there really isn't much of a difference between niggers and spics. They're both stupid, violent, rapist who stink and blame white people for everything. Mexicans just have much better food and nicer looking women.
>>29029776
Thanks for the (You) friend, made my day.
No. Neither I nor any American taxpayer alive today owes them shit. Neither is/was any black alive today in america a slave.
Stop being a faggot liberal poof.
>>29030134
what about stuff like:
>>29024912
No, I'm black and it would be pointless to give people who weren't actually slaves money. Slaves of any race should have just been paid fairly to begin with.
The only thing people should do is stop all job discrimination and other forms of discrimination on miniorities.
I'm half Mexican on my mother's side. When is Spain going to pay reparations to my family for all the shit they did to my indigenous ancestors?
>>29030475
>The only thing people should do is stop all job discrimination and other forms of discrimination on miniorities.
Why should they? Arab cab drivers got a ton of shit from niggers in NY for refusing to pick them up. The Arab cab drivers claimed that they were nearly exclusively robbed and sometimes even killed picking up black clients. Should Arab drivers be forced to pickup blacks even though it might cost them their lives?
>>29030639
Yes because anyone could potentially kill you. It's not right to discriminate just because a certain race might do it more.
I don't ignore Arabs for fear I might get bombed or some other steryotype shit.
>>29031799
But this isn't just anyone potentially killing you, this is blacks specifically targeting vulnerable Arab drivers with the choice of getting robber or getting robbed and killed. Should people be forced to choose between supporting their families and dying or living on welfare and living?
I don't believe so, but it would shut their mouths if we paid something out to any black who were enslaved by white americans in chattel slavery, ie. nobody.
>>29031799
>I don't ignore Arabs for fear I might get bombed or some other steryotype shit.
Of any arab that you run into, there is a low chance that that arab will blow you up.
Of any black client that an arab picks up, if >>29030639 is to be believed then there is a high chance that they will be robbed. If they avoid black clients, their statistical risk of being robbed decreases severely.
>>29029450
So why should we spend money if people are going to use it to drug themselves up and die?
They still got a really good deal out of that whole affair to be honest.
They get to live in America, one of the wealthiest nations in the world. They get preference in those gimmedats programs. They get free housing if they're poor, and free food. If they are half way disciplined and spend time training instead of dropping beats on their mix tape they'll naturally excel at athletic programs over the white kids. And most of all they have freedom, something africans can't really say.
If we left them alone in their own countries they'd be fighting for or against some warlord or wearing leaves on their dicks / pregnant with an aids baby. Or if they lived in a former colonial nation they'd be getting raped for cheap labor and resources in the mines by the chinese who don't even believe in human rights or the sanctity of life for their own people, let alone blacks.
>>29031910
arabs should be the last one to complain someone is trying to kill them.
>>29031997
This is false. Your odds of being robbed are literally like 1% or less
>>29029747
God I hate mexicans so fucking much. Get out of our country you trash. It's even worse when mexicans of all creatures try to be racist. They have no reason to be racist towards anything but themselves.
>>29032241
The only thing Mexicans have going for them is they live slightly longer than whites. When they defend themselves it's usually by comparing themselves to blacks.
>I'm not a lazy nigger
>I'm somewhat smarter than niggers
and so on
>>29031997
In europe arabs go to concerts and parties and rape 100s of women at a time.
>250 years of slavery
>The US was only 90 years old when slavery was abolished
?????
>>29032241
Mexican are 50/50. They're either honest, hard working people who are heavily family oriented and look out for each other on a personal level. They're the kind of people who happily invite you to their home for their home cooked food and take interest in who you are as a person.
Or they're cholo/chola/chicano our clay by right. The kind who are racist as fuck, talk shit about everyone, don't respect anyone, and generally have that whole "fuck you got mine" mentality of every man for himself.
Blacks are probably 30/70. 30 of the deeply christian hard working actually see that black on black violence is the biggest detriment of their culture and society. Even if they aren't academic will stress the importance of it and rising above. The 70? well you already know the stereo types and seen them in this thread already.
