>mfw idiots think law and ethics are the same thing.
>>28995697
It's age of neo-Puritanism, one of forced tolerance. You disagree? Too bad!
>>28995697
They are the same thing, though. Just some made up bullshit to try to better humanity as a whole by forcing individuals to compromise for each others' sake.
>>28995697
>>28995736
>raising the age of consent to appease some sense of "morality" while shoving literal faggotry and transgender degeneracy in everyone's face
This world needs to end, now.
>>28995754
>They are the same thing, though
law and morals shouldn't be the same thing, because everyone has different morals
only in america though. apparently they just keep getting dumber and dumber so they need to raise the age of consent to compensate
>>28995697
Who are "they?" And when did they raise the age of consent? And where?
>>28995808
>two identical concepts should not be the same thing
Sucks for you, I guess.
>>28995796
>calling something a degeneracy
>while defending another degeneracy
lmao my dude
Why the fuck isn't the age of consent 16 reee.
>>28995866
>two identical concepts
they aren't though
>>28995873
I wasn't defending anything. Learn how to read.
>>28995846
I live in bugerka and it's 18 now but 16 a few years ago and they're planning on making i8 to 21 then 21 up. It's unacceptable. In my state.
>>28995926
*Bugerka/murika
We also have dry counties here and you can get five years for salvia.
>>28995881
What differentiates law and morality?
So there are people in 'Merica who don't understand the difference between pedophilia and the American age of consent. Putting aside the general stupidity of that, here's the big thing that I don't get; do they believe that the people who live in countries where the AoC is lower than ours are pedophiles?
I just want to know how far the ignorance goes.
>>28995955
>drunk driving accidents are higher in dry counties because people drive to the next county to get wasted and then drive back drunk
lol. americans
>>28995926
>>28995955
What the hell state do you live in?
Also, going from 16 to 18 is silly enough (pretty sure 16-year-olds are capable of deciding whether they want to fuck or not,) but 21 would be cartoonishly absurd.
>>28996008
Watch. Once the AOC goes up to 21, wanting to fuck a 20-year-old will be considered "pedophilia."
>20 year olds sending nudes of themselves will be arrested for distributing CP
kek
>>28995956
>What differentiates law and morality?
I would say law is a codified set of rules which generally attempts to regulate the behavior of people in a society through punishments for the purpose of improving the lives of people in the society
while morals are a set of semi-vague beliefs based off family/societal values which, although also aiming to regulate behavior, do not have direct punishments and may not directly aim to improve the lives of people in society
morals affect law, although it would be better if they were kept seperate. it might be creepy to us if a 50 year old man is dating a 13 year old girl but there is nothing inherently wrong with this.
>>28996008
>people who live in countries where the AoC is lower than ours are pedophiles?
They are absolutely pedophiles. You retarded fucks love to bash Islam but as soon as we separate ourselves based on marrying children vs countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia suddenly we're being culturally ignorant. America is the greatest country in the world by far proven by military might as well as popular culture, perhaps only rivaled by some asian countries like Japan and SK, both of which we basically own. Part of what has made this country so great is our values; we don't fuck children. We create laws to set boundaries so that children aren't hurt, how hard is that to understand? Also there's leniency in the law for having sex with a 17 or 16 year old so it's not as dumb as you're claiming it is. Stop trying to find excuses to argue why it should be legal to have sex with children, it's not like you'll ever get the chance to anyways. And if you do I'll be the first one to call the police :)
>>28996108
>There's one state cannot star in porn till 21
We're already there.
>>28996147
>Land of the free
>Locks it's citizens up more than any other country
>Best
Fuck you.
>>28996147
>we don't fuck children
Yes, that's what makes America great, not free enterprise and other freedoms we enjoy.
It's because fucking a 17 year old girl is illegal in some states.
That's why we're great.
>>28996180
>Locks it's citizens up
So you want your criminals to roam free? You must be from Germany, have fun with the Refugees :D
>>28996210
We have too many laws dipshit.
>>28996232
Then move to move to a country with fewer laws like Mexico or Somalia.....oh wait.christ I feel bad for getting baited but this is too fun and easy
>>28996112
Laws are literally based off of morals, you twat.
Why even regulate society? Because of the morals shared by it's leader(s). You daft cunt.
>>28996250
based off of =/= same as
>>28995697
they ought to be. If governments don't enforce the ethics of the cultures that they supposedly represent through laws then what good are laws in the first place?
>>28995736
This. I don't get how people think we are living in the age of liberation when in fact we're getting more and more puritan.
>prostitution illegal
>age of consent fucking high
>people are OK with the government intervention to uphold the "correct" moral behaviour
>can't think what you want, your career is doom if you don't have the correct opinions
>sexual liberation of women = promiscuity = rapes and STDs at an all time high just like during the puritan Victorian era
>Women get a say in public affairs = moral suddenly becomes the political compass that dictates where you stand on the political spectrum
fourteen id my own morale limit and even then, I probably wouldn't fuck a girl at that age as they're immature and volatile emotionally.
But cuckoldry betide the man who denies he hasn't seen a tight arse on a teenager and thought 'Had it not been for the laws of this land, i would have pulverised you.'
>>28996232
>too many laws
Like, laws that put people behind bars for rape, murder, and assault?
Yeah, let's get rid of those.
>>28995697
Why does it even matter? If you're on /r9k/ you won't get anyone to consent to having sex with you no matter what age.
>>28995874
Here in New Zealand it is 16. Works pretty well.
>>28996249
I would but murika has admitted to killing potential murika terrorists as soon as they get on foreign land with drones. Plus I wouldn't have their inalienable rights for not being born there, and would be an outcast, that and being unable to thrive here means no money, so I cannot try.
>>28996205
I'm glad we came to this understanding together
This thread reminds me of a tumblr post I saw today that was claiming (26 year old) Johnny Depp committed pedophilia like behavior by dating 17 year old Winona Ryder. absolutely wild lol.
>>28996266
it is the same
It is literally just the enforcing of someone else's morals
>>28996250
>Laws are literally based off of morals, you twat.
they should not be
you might ask, if they aren't based off morals what should laws be based on?
let me give an example, it is generally illegal to kill others.
obviously this is not moral
but is it because of morality that this is law? NO! This is law because people depend on law to improve society, and if people could kill you for no reason your life would be worse
that was a shitty example but hopefully you get what I mean
like, it's not morally wrong to drive above the speed limit, but that is against the law because it could hurt people and make society worse
laws should NOT be tied to morals
>>28996112
>a codified set of rules which generally attempts to regulate the behavior of people in a society through punishments for the purpose of improving the lives of people in the society
Literally morals.
>>28996340
Good, so follow the laws in the country that gives you inalienable rights for being born here :)
>>28996368
/tv/ here. That ain't nothing.
>>28996077
Ages of consent only went up when more women were given political weight. It is the exact sort of thing women have always done: manipulated the environment the best they could in order to create a favourable situation for sexual competition. They know they can't compete with young and little girls when it comes to naturally attraction from males, so they have spent a lot of time and effort into trying to make it seen as "wrong" if you are naturally drawn to find females at the peak of their fertility more appealing than females who come with shitloads of baggage and are on the fast downward curve of their sexual prime.
They've done it throughout history but only over the past few hundred years have we had stable enough huge interlinking societies which have allowed them to enact their female nature on a large scale socio-political platform directly as opposed to manipulating men for similar gain for an indirect and less malleable outcome. It's basically inevitable in large societies with lengthy and government secured lifespans that wherein women are able to vote, such things are the age of consent will increase and restrictions of substances which men use to draw themselves away from women for pleasure will grow more systematically shamed. Those men who still desire this sort of thing are basically doing to have to put up with this rat race because it isn't going to change unless the mechanised structure of modern societies dramatically change.
>>28996314
There was a guy that got life for use of profanities in public. A guy got 20 for drawings recently. Smoking e-cigs is randomly banned around town
>>28996395
Impossible. Doing that to yourself is worse than them attacking you. Everyone I know is guilty of felonies and many misdemeanors here.
>>28996379
This nigga gets it.
Law is used to promote social cohesion, implemented by governance. Morality is a product of the society's beliefs. The two are related but distinct concepts.
>Americans think they have freedom
Oh sweet jesus, what a laugh.
>>28996380
>Literally morals.
let's see your morals codified then.
Wanting to fuck children is gross
but thinking it's reasonable to put the bodies of 15 and 16 year olds in the same category of the bodies of 8 and 9 year olds is fucking moronic.
If a 30 year old and 16 year old want to have consensual sex they should be able to do so without legal repercussions.
>>28996444
>Everyone I know is guilty of felonies and many misdemeanors here
You sound like the kinda guy who has real respectable authority on how the laws should be changed. Really.it's not that hard to follow the law if you control yourself, it's not the state's responsibility to excuse everything you do, unless you want to be like Germany.
>this thread
>these posts
Absolutely spooky.
>>28996503
>Following arbitrary rules
Look at this statist cuck
>>28996525
>arbitrary
most felonies aren't that arbitrary senpai
I can understand saying that if you got put on the registry for pissing on a wall, but a felony is usually deserved
>>28996503
>Control self
>Not choosing fun
>>28996497
>Wanting to fuck children is gross
>gross
You're irrational kneejerk isn't a valid argument, normalfag.
>>28996380
Idea legal systems are meant to serve objective "blind" justice. A system of morals contradicts this by being based on subjective axiomatic values that are used to assess the merit of the actions of an individual. The western legal system stemming from the Roman god of justice, Lustitia, is not meant as a tool for judging the value of individuals but balancing out individual actions with objective and neutral cause and effect based reactions.
That isn't a system of codified morals, it is a system of balancing actions with consequence. It isn't about judging the person, just the actions. Like an umpire or referee for a football match, I guess. He will send you off the field/pitch if you break the rules but he won't judge you as a person.
>>28996542
Whether or not you think they were deserved, they are still arbitrary in nature.
>>28996542
>>28996525
Life itself is arbitrary . Law tries to change that. Law and ethics and such. It won't succeed of course.
>>28996542
No, you only think that because you've been brainwashed by generations of obedience.
All law is arbitrary. Law since the dawn of governed societies has at best existed to protect the society (as an entity of itself, not the individual constituents), at worst to sustain the dominance of the state.
It's your duty as a citizen to question and resist the law, to challenge the government and state.
