>"Love" has been proven to just be chemicals reacting in your brain
>People still think that "love" is anything deeper then that
>People still fall for it
>Mfw
>>28969855
>>"Existence" has been proven to just be chemicals reacting
>>People still think that "existence" is anything deeper then that
>>People still fall for it
>>Mfw
>>28969855
A monitor is just electricity and circuits and stuff, but it still produces an image.
Why does the means of achieving the result matter?
>>28970353
>A monitor is just electricity and circuits and stuff, but it still produces an image.
Why does the means of achieving the result matter?
A monitor doesn't suck money from my wallet, and every other thing women do in the name of "love".
>>28969855
The smarter ones know full well, but life is very difficult to live if you have to face the truth all the time.
>>28969855
>not being amazed by the complexity of chemical reactions in the human brain and how strange it is that certain reactions can only be induced by specific external factors
>>28970915
"Love" is literally just your brain telling you that the person you "love" is good breeding material.
That's it.
chemicals you'll never experience
>>28969855
Here's your (OP) you enormous faggot.
>>28970992
>Facebook filename
Kek le Kek
>>28970943
I've never understood why this is a bad thing. Reproduction is the entire reason anyone even exists, I think it's a fairly profound thing. And it's incredible the intensity and variety of traits (like ability to feel love) that have developed solely because of it.
>>28971015
>there is more profundity to be found in a facebook meme than in the minds of the NEET overlords who sit all day composing music, writing epics of literature, working out and contemplating philosophical syntheses
Wew lad.
>>28969855
Easy for you to say, you've never felt it
>>28971023
>I've never understood why this is a bad thing.
Because reproducing in this day-and-age is A LOT different then it was thousands of years ago. Not only does it take 100x more effort just to find a woman that will stay with you, but you also have to make sure she won't hurt you finally, and emotionally .
>>28971109
financially*
blahblahblock
>>28969855
>not being astonished at how life still prevails despite it all being chemicals
>not trying to push through the pain/depression/whatever somehow and feel glad that you are alive and not some down-syndrome potato
>not learning from it to try and gain wisdom and experience
pic somewhat related I guess
>>28969855
Hey, it's a good chemical reaction. Might as well abuse it and use it up 'till we inevitably fall apart in the end.
>>28970992
>>28971143
>for you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you they are chemicals.
No, I trust science.
>>28971165
>Might as well abuse it and use it up
It's really not worth the hassle.
>>28969855
as living things, we may just be excitable mud, but there is no denying that we are aware of ourselves being this mud and this excitement.
The mystery of how we feel things may be solved, but the mystery of why is unsolvable, and if you can manage to look at life that way, it is a permanent adventure.
Yeah, and?
Literally every human experience is "just...chemicals reacting in your brain." That doesn't cheapen something as wonderful and powerful as love.
The experiences of music and color have a neurophysiological basis. That doesn't cheapen them. They're still wonderful. The experiences of joy and laughter have a neurophysiological basis. That doesn't cheapen them. They're still wonderful. The experiences of loss and grief have a neurophysiological basis. That fact does nothing to cheapen them. They're still real and still awful.
Love doesn't need some intangible, ethereal quality to it in order to be real or to be wondrous. And if it did have such a quality, how would that elevate love above the material things? People like you would still say, "Love is just people's soulstrings resonating with each other in the aether; people still think 'love' is deeper than that; people still fall for it; mfw."
Also, what you're describing is infatuation or affection. That's a feeling, and it's not love. Love is something you do, not something you feel.
>>28969855
If love is just a combination of chemicals, then why haven't we invented a way to get your body to release those chemicals or to put the right combination of chemicals for you to feel loved?
Why haven't we developed a compound that makes people feels the sensation of orgasm for hours? I have a fetish where I kidnap a woman, restrain her tightly, and have her orgasm for hours from dildos, toys, an me ravaging her.
>>28971197
Technicalllyyyyyyy you trust that your sensory inputs are generally true.
That Mickey mouse picture is shit though, since you need to, if not believe, at least assume something is real, otherwise you'll fuck up.
>>28971223
>as living things, we may just be excitable mud, but there is no denying that we are aware of ourselves being this mud and this excitement.
Who's "we"? Millions, if not billions, of people just believe that "love" is some le mystical force.
>>28971279
The point of science is that you don't have to trust your own sensory inputs, as other people can verify it for you using the scientific methods.
You could also argue that other people are just spooks of the mind but the fact that you keep shitposting on this board disproves it.
>>28971272
>What are drugs
>what are opioids
>>28971346
I agree with you, I just wanted to explain the technicality upon which people claim that it is hypocritical like in that cancer mouse post.
>>28971263
Yes, color, music, and everything else you listed can be wonderful things, and a lot of people know why we feel these things.
However, I just can't understand why people still fall for this chemical when it comes to "loving" another human. We know, through science, that there is no such thing as "true love", and that it's just your brain telling you to reproduce. If you never had met that said person, your brain would just tell you to get with someone else, in the end.
I wish OPs pic existed without the words
>>28969855
Life is meaningless unless we do something with it OP. Give love a chance.
When you do get gf, don't be a selfish prick like me. Also, cutting porn outta your daily routine for 6 weeks or so will help you immensely.
>>28971419
>When you do get gf
KEK. Even if, for some unknown reason, a girl was interested in me, I wouldn't want one anyways. Standing from a factual standpoint, there is literally no benefit from me having a gf.
>>28971399
Because that knowledge does not diminish the pleasure they feel. Normies will always choose happiness.
>>28971316
>billions of beings who exist completely independent of each other experience the same abstract chemical reaction
I find that in itself fascinating, even there's nothing technically magical about it
>>28971448
>literally no benefit
Because the benefits are "just chemicals"?
>>28971453
This is partly why I am going to college to create vr. To fuck up the moral system of Normans.
>>28971346
Not him, but...you do have to trust your sensory inputs at some point, no matter what. When you read a research paper or a textbook or a readout or whatever, you're trusting your eyes. When you speak to a fellow scientist, you're trusting your ears. When you perform observation, no matter how divorced it is from subjectivity (i.e. "It's kinda hot" vs "It's kinda cold"), you're still trusting that your senses are providing you with accurate input concerning the more objective measurement. ("I trust that my eyes and hands are giving me real information and that this thermometer is not a trick of my imagination. I also trust that my colleague, presented to me by my eyes and ears, is real and not a trick of my imagination. She can therefore confirm what I experience.")
I agree with the assertion that believing everything you experience to be a "spook" would be paralyzing. Action, however, does not prove that a person believes in their experiences. It just proves that, even if they think this is all one vivid, massive, sustained hallucination, they think playing with it is fun or worthwhile.
>>28971399
There is such a thing as true love, though. It's just not necessarily exclusive, and it's not what people define it as. Yes, the warm, hot-pink electric feeling in your chest is fleeting and just there to make you reproduce, and yes, you would feel it for somebody else if "the one" didn't exist.
You're still talking about infatuation/attraction/affection, though. That's not even love, much less true. Normies tend to think it is, but it's not.
>>28971453
>Because that knowledge does not diminish the pleasure they feel. Normies will always choose happiness.
Which is a key reason as to why society is becoming so awful. When people start to chose to ignore scientific facts in favor of emotions, nobody benefits.
>>28971477
>Because the benefits are "just chemicals"?
No, because the type of chemicals, and emotions I would feel, would not be worth the hassle of having a girlfriend.
>>28971524
How are you so sure? Have you ever felt "love"?
>>28971399
> I just can't understand why people still fall for this chemical when it comes to "loving" another human.
blame the stories and fairytales we hear growing up
>>28971524
>When people start to chose to ignore scientific facts in favor of emotions, nobody benefits
I do agree, but that's why normies are normies, and we are robots
Does love feel that good?
I don't think I've ever felt it, and if I have then it is severely overrated.
>>28971580
>Does love feel that good?
It depends on the person
It's crystal clear reading this thread that op is just your average high schooler a week after he got dumped, but you autists are still gonna keep arguing.
>>28971550
>How are you so sure? Have you ever felt "love"?
For another women? No. That is not the point, though. I'm just looking at it from a factual view, and seeing that there is no benefit.
>>28971603
OP here. I'm a 21 year old KHV.
>>28971558
This is probably a big part of OP's standpoint, it's a real feeling and it brings a lot of people happiness, problem is it's easy emotion to capitalise on
Maybe "hollywood" love doesn't exist, we could agree on that
>>28971609
>there is no benefit.
uh, dopamine release/ reproduction incentives
>>28971279
>since you need to, if not believe, at least assume something is real, otherwise you'll fuck up.
Fuck up? Fuck what up? If you cannot trust your senses, then you cannot know if you are "fucking up" anything.
>>28971609
Cmon op use heroin. Dooooo iiiiiit.
Pretty much the same thing as love, probably better and cheaper.
>>28971550
That's a bit of a dirty strategy. If he says no, then you discount his argument for lack of experience. If he says yes, then you discount his experience for not being the "real thing".
I have felt love and support the OP. It's just our brains playing tricks on us, just like our innate love of carbohydrates, fats and salts that make junk food so appealing when we know it is bad for us. There's no denying love feels good, the question is whether you're happy to be rewarded for being a good evolutionary puppet, or if you intend to reject it as an illusion.
>>28971524
>start to
People in general have always been this way, though. (To my knowledge; correct me if you can think of any disproof of that)
>Which is a key reason as to why society is becoming so awful.
Society is becoming so awful because there is a deliberate and concerted effort on the part of our owners to turn people into consumerist thoughtslaves, to erase nuanced thought and entire concepts from a dialogue that is over 6000 years old, and to justify their own twisted ideology by making the human race as ugly and wicked and ignorant and worthless as it needs to be in order for treating us how they plan on to make sense.
Also, I'd like to point out that words like "benefit" and "good" and "awful" and such-really, any word that assigns value to anything-are not objective. They are bound up in emotion and subjectivity. You can't claim that anything is good or bad or worth anything and then wonder why people base things on their emotions. EVERYONE bases things on emotions. It's just that some employ a purely rational method in pursuing what their hearts tell them to pursue.
How does that separate it from anything else that happens in your brain?
>>28971637
Aha but there's the point: since this is the only reality you know, you don't know if theres a different one, so dying in this reality might be your final death, a.k.a. You done Fucked up.
Wasn't there a study where they found out that when two people are in love their heartbeats sync? That's pretty amazing if you ask me familia
>>28971692
HEARTS ARE MADE OF ATOMS THEY'RE WORTHLESS
>>28971692
Breaking news, millions of men die of a too fast heartbeat and a comparable amount of women die of a too slow heartbeat!
>>28971689
Perhaps. Perhaps not.
If your senses cannot be trusted to any degree, you cannot gain any meaningful information about reality, nor can you make any sound judgments regarding "fucking up."
>>28971725
But considering all possibilities, one that isn't all that unlikely is that your senses can be trusted, so dying would mean fucking up, if that is true, which it might be.
>>28971692
>reach peak physical condition
>make your enemies fall in love with you
>raise your heart rate to levels dangerous for you, lethal for them
>they die of a heart attack
>nobody can prove it was you
>you keep doing it
DEVILISH.
>>28971658
It was a genuine question, though judging by the bitterness so far there was a pretty good chance OP had never been in a situation where he felt without a doubt that he was in love with someone and that they loved him back
Skepticism of a thing's existence is understandable if you've never experienced it
And sure "love" (like any emotion) is an illusion, but what's the benefit in rejecting it?
>"Drugs are proven to just be chemicals reacting in your brain
>People still think that "drugs" are anything deeper than that
>People still fall for it
>Mfw
>>28969855
If anything, the fact that there is a tangible chemical reaction means that love is concrete, ad not a silly abstraction, as you paradoxically assert that it is.
>>28971741
>considering all possibilities
Using the same chemicals in your brain that presumably are giving you false information?
Worthless.
If you are at the point where you cannot trust your senses, you are essentially just flailing about in darkness, regardless of what course of action you may choose to take.
>>28971761
You stated that very succinctly and made a very solid point. Well done.
>>28971778
That's. The. Point. We don't know anything, but what if what we assume to be true actually is true, what if our senses aren't completely fake?
Then having lived as if everything is fake will be not nice in the long run.
Do you get where I'm coming from?
>>28971263
real talk
this is the most insightful post i've seen from a normie
>>28971787
Problem with his statement being that with that logic all hallucinations are also real.
>>28971816
>what if our senses aren't completely fake?
This is what I personally believe, but I was speaking from the perspective of a person who has no faith whatsoever in their senses, like Mickey Mouse.
>>28971756
I believe it is morally right to reject what has been identified as illusory. I would rather be right than happy.
>>28971787
Thanks you too.
Shitposting is also just chemical reactions but it's still real
>>28971831
They are real in your mind, which is the seat of human emotions, and love is an emotion.
>>28971845
He also questions wether the conclusion that his senses are not to be trusted is to be trusted since it's a conclusion based on senses. That comic is just a paradox.
>>28971487
>It just proves that, even if they think this is all one vivid, massive, sustained hallucination, they think playing with it is fun or worthwhile.
Whoa, edgy. But you have a point there, I'm pretty much the same at this point, except that I fully believe that the objective world exists as some shape or form (cogito ergo sum), but what grinds my gears is the problem of demarkation (of sorts). The dualists have a point, but to what extent?
Idk, so I play along.
>>28969855
What's deeper than letting someone into your brain to activate those chemical stimulations?
>>28969855
its kind of deep. i mean, everything is just chemicals and shit, all interacting through 4 (?) forces. looking at that way, either nothing or everything is deep, depending on your viewpoint.
i choose a grey area.
>>28971858
Yes. Therfore love is as real as the fear of aliens spying through uncooked dough is, single both exist as chemicals in a brain. That's not really any useful information.
>>28971863
Perhaps, but he ends very conclusively with a statement urging Donald to move forward in life.
>>28971756
>And sure "love" (like any emotion) is an illusion, but what's the benefit in rejecting it?
The benefits are manifold. You get to come across as enlightened to pseudointellectual Nietzsche wannabes. You get the release of dopamine that comes with the ego boost from that. You avoid associating yourself with a group of people you look down on. You get to be cool, like Daria and Jane crashing a party just to talk shit and judge people. You don't have to be brave. Instead, you can avoid opening up your heart to people who can hurt you and avoid investing yourself into something that won't last forever. You have the security of only having to deal with the devil you know-lovelessness-and never having to find out whether loving hurts more or less than that.
There are plenty of reasons to reject love, anon.
>>28971831
Hallucinations are the result of chemical defection, either through drug use or a case of crazy and cannot be verified, while you can ask anyone if they have ever felt love. Notice that I did not specify the type of love nor its reciprocity
>>28971888
Which is kind of the point I am making. You don't know for certain everything is fake, so just on the chance it isn't play along with life.
>>28971886
> as the fear of aliens spying through uncooked dough is
Fear is real, yes. It is a chemical reaction.
Are aliens actually spying on you? No.
Can you feel fear of this? Yes.
It is an emotion, if you feel it, it is a real emotion.
>>28971875
Your mother's cavernous cooch after I pound it with my massive fuckrod. Son.
>>28971896
Did you type that one-handed or did you take breaks between jerking yourself off?
>>28971896
I like daria. Fun show.
>>28971912
Ok, I agree with you there. But that still means love has the same validity as said fear, at least imo.
>>28971197
DUDE SCIENCE LMAO
>>28971922
Maybe its cavernous because you feel inadequate
Emotions are irrational simple as that
>>28971938
>No argument
Silly normies.
>>28971945
Some fears are quite valid, and advantageous to survival.
>>28971974
That, absolutely. Love seems to be the infatuation with a near ideal mate, which is also very evolutionarily beneficial.
>>28971938
I actually couldn't jack off at all. It was a bit uncomfortable to have all that friction on my hand after I cut myself on your razor-sharp wit.
In any case, I'd like to know what exactly about my post was masturbatory. I wasn't trying to insult anybody or make myself look intelligent. I genuinely think that those are reasons why people reject love, and I even posited a few of them because they used to apply to me.
Also, I don't just mean warm, fuzzy, romantic love for the sake of reproduction. I mean the selfless decision to open your heart to anyone.
>>28971948
Not gonna lie, I actually chuckled.
>>28972007
Nice comeback, I chuckled.
>>28972007
Pity your comeback doesn't match the timeline.
You know exactly what is self-indulgent about your post.
>>28972140
>doesn't match the timeline
What do you even mean by this? Without any posturing or dick-waving, I'm honestly confused as to what you mean to convey by that.
>You know exactly what is self-indulgent about your post.
No, I don't, otherwise I wouldn't be asking to have it pointed out to me.
>>28972180
It seems you've opened your heart so wide your brain fell out.
>>28972199
At least it isn't lodged halfway up my own ass.
Are you getting a satisfactory release of meaningless chemicals from this exchange? Because it's boring me. This thread had some legitimately interesting philosophical discussion going on a while ago, and now I'm pretty sure it's just the two of us bumping it with jabs at each other.
>>28972254
Well I have to consult my ass to make sure I understand your shitposting. I'm not very experienced at oral defecation.
Don't pretend you care about the thread now, you're only bored of this exchange because I didn't fall for your feigned stupidity. If you wanted to keep the thread going you wouldn't have kicked off with that magnificent shitpost that started this exchange.
Love is a meme.
You can't even prove me wrong.
>>28972316
Everything is a meme, my son.
>>28972316
One definition of meme:
>an element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.
It fucking is. It literally is a meme. We know it's learned behaviour from those rhesus monkeys they separated from their mothers.
>>28972402
See, I was right all along.
>>28972315
>I'm not very experienced at oral defecation.
Could've fooled me. At the very least, every post you've made in this thread has been good practice for you, newbie.
And I participated very heavily in the above discussions on the value of sensory input, the nature of reality, the value of human emotion etc. before making that post. I do care about this thread (at least, as much as I can care about any given thread on /r9k/) and about the standard of dialogue we hold ourselves to here.
But fine. You win. I'm self-indulgent and masturbatory and you called me out for it, which made me feel ashamed, I'm feigning stupidity and you didn't fall for it because you're so clever, I'm not being genuine, I know the answers to my own questions already and I'm just asking them to be a jackoff, and most importantly, your comebacks are better and your E-penis dwarfs my own.
>>28972315
>>28972427
Also, you're so much better than me that you haven't been waiting angrily in another tab for this to reply to so that you can have the last word, and you're not about to stop posting upon reading this one just to make that true.
>>28972427
Oh thank god, with this my life's work is accomplished. I can finally die a happy man.
>>28972454
I type my replies while Memrise loads my next set of flashcards, it works really well.
>>28969855
>tfw the chemicals in my brain tell me they're just chemicals
sure they are...
>>28972476
Ooh, good one. I like how you subtly incorporated the fact that you're also doing something worthwhile with your time while you're on /r9k/. Something intellectual, too.
these chemicals will make you live longer and healthier
not really a meme
all you need is love, too bad most of you will never experience it
>>28972525
I knew you'd understand, anon. I hope you're engaging yourself likewise?
>>28972534
Therefore the ideal solution is a tulpa.
>>28969855
Loving someone and being loved back are the best feels t.bh
>>28972755
Hear hear
Mmm
>>28972534
But I am bored already, I do not want to live longer, I've seen enough.
Why we cannot just take synthetic love in form of pills, or suppository?
>>28973620
the other option is to live shorter but suffer a painful death, possibly through a disease which makes your life hell for a long time
ill pick the healthy boring life
>>28969855
This is a whole new level of sad, robo-thought
>>28973647
What the fuck anon, lack of love does not gives you painful death and/ or disease making life a living hell
>>28973647
nigger u stupid as shit
>>28969904
This
If you think being alive is worth shit, you can also think love is worth shit.
>>28971023
>reason
Let's be honest, reproduction isn't really a reason. I think that for reason to be warranted, there must be some sort of finality, an end goal. Reproduction is simply a meaningless cycle intended to continue on and on. Now that's purposeless and meaningless.
>>28971758
I'm not a fan on the "dude watch alan watts and listen to tool and open your third eye bro" autists but every deep thought/work of art/etc ever created by anyone happened due to chemicals that persons brain.
>>28971197
Faith is much stronger than science I know you've only lived on this planet for two decades the way you're speaking right now
Tomorrow never knows honestly when things unfold they unfold for a reason destiny is real
You're autistic as fuck though and are nihilistic despite the magic happening right in front of your eyes
Try meditation or cubensis if you don't believe me
>>28969855
Ya to be fair everything is a chemical reaction in your brain. Your memories, your laughs, your hatred of roasties...everything is just a series of ones and zeroes.
>finally a relevant picture to share
>>28975093
Get a load of this nigga
>>28975148
>TFW so many people beat me to posting the image because I didn't check the thread first
>>28969904
>The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he did not exist.
>>28975093
?
...
Nigga wut do u mean
