I've noticed that any threads or comments which violate the groupthink of the echo chamber in r9k get completely ignored. Is this intentional, or is it simply a result of robots literally not seeing anything which contradicts their worldview? The reason this is important is, if it's intentional, then robots are just neurotic. On the other hand, if they literally can't perceive anything which contradicts their pre-existing prejudices, then they are actually psychotic and are incapable of change, since they exist in a delusional world in which only things which confirm their mistaken beliefs are perceived.
I guess whether or not this thread gets any responses will be a good way to find out one way or the other. If robots are delusional, they won't even see this thread. It'll be effectively invisible.
For me it's usually intentional. But there's probably plenty of psychotics on this board too for whom it's not
>>28922631
well you notice it. and so do I
so that does not make all of this board terrible
>>28922663
The problem is, if you're psychotic you won't know that you're psychotic, by definition. You won't even perceive the things which are being filtered out. Frogs, for example, have very simple brains. They can't process all of the visual stimulus their eyes are giving them, so their brains edit out any movement which is not erratic: large erratic objects are predators to be avoided, and small erratic objects are prey to be eaten. But snakes move with smooth, regular motions, and so they are literally invisible to frogs -- which is why snakes are such efficient predators of frogs.
>>28922631
I think you're right about things 'violating the groupthink' and that even goes down to smaller things like speaking in a different rhetoric or showing any individuality. Robots favourite curseword is 'normalfag' but they so strongly stick to their own norms and reject anything and anyone who doesn't.
I hope you're using the word 'psychotic' colloquially though because I wouldn't at all call this level of delusion actually psychotic. Neurotic, maybe.
If you voice opinions that are outside the hive mentality of nearly any group, not just /r9k/, it will annoy people and someone will probably call you out on it. If you get ignored here, it's because you were boring, too niche in your subject, or your original post was not well-formatted.
>>28922749
so how do I know you're not psychotic?
The medium of internet anonymity makes it impossible to tell either way.
>>28922749
>if you're psychotic you won't know that you're psychotic, by definition.
Who's definition?
>>28922631
Very rarely do people bring up this subject op.
But very often when a person makes a post that is painfully true and the reader cannot come up with a proper refute, it will get ignored with no replies.
The fact is we come on r9k to escape reality. We're not exactly here to look for the truth unless it already validates out preconceived views.
This is why it's been mentioned since early 4chan that arguing with someone here will get you no where, unless you're secretly stirring the pot for fun.
The truthful but painful posts are the most helpful but because they get no replies, people have less incentive to put the same amount of energy into such posts again in the future.
>>28922631
If people agree with it they'll probably ignore it.
If people disagree with it they'll call it bait or trolling.
>>28922785
You sir are a real r9kuck
>>28922785
The truth is perhaps that the intenret and anonymity are inherently unhealthy to society because of what you describe. That's a painful truth for me and anyone on 4chan. Perhaps it would be a good thing if it were more like China and the net were locked down and banned to encourage face to face and real identity communication which is more natural.
>>28922785
I'll also say though, that I find the opposite is true with /pol/.
I'm addicted to /pol/ because I actually like reading things that really bother me, things that oppose my preconceived viewpoints. I'm addicted to the discomfort and fear from reading these things and keep refreshing.
r9k is the opposite.
>>28922785
People here want someone they can relate to, talk about their feels with, or maybe have a civil and reasonable debate. They don't need to hear someone's idea of "lol muh redpill reality" and telling them they'll always be alone or something.
>>28922631
>boards have specific cultures and common topics
>normie is upset her bullshit doesn't get noticed.
I want to know something. Is your ignorance intentional, or are you a retard?
You wouldn't go on stormfront and talk about Judaism.
>>28922767
>>28922784
A pathological thought pattern is a circular series of thoughts which never terminate, creating a larger and larger emotional charge over time, like a prayer wheel spinning around and around. All pathologies are either neurotic or psychotic. What differentiates neurosis from psychosis is conscious awareness: if you're aware of the circular thought patterm it's neurotic. If you are unaware it exists, then it's psychotic.
first rule of r9k:
if you make a good thread, it is probably going straight to page 10.
only shitposts last on this board.
i think r9k is the best right after you just smoked or got drunk, then everything here is 20x more hilarious because it's so removed from real life dialogue. you cannot have these dialogues in real life without women literally running away to the nearest 911.
>>28922854
What do you say about the idea that Freud was a hack and the whole field of psychology that arose in the 20th century was lies to discredit religion?
I bet you consider anyone who believes in God to be psychotic.
>false dichotomy mixed in with ad hominem
>>28922876
This. I sort threads by reply count and there's definitely a pattern of what gets a discussion going and what doesn't. The easiest way to understand a board's hivemind is to sort threads by reply count.
>>28922876
The good threads get buried in a sea of shitposts for two reasons:
1) Anonymous tends only to reply to threads that have an original post which is 2-3 sentences long at most.
2) Robots are gullible, and keep bumping dumbass bait threads every time.
>>28922892
You don't need to accept Freudian psychoanalytic theory or even psychology in general to accept the definition of the words. Your comment is exactly what I'm talking about; because you believe there's some kind of ideology behind Freudian psychoanalysis which is hostile to your worldview, you can't even see the definitions as simply definitions. You start REEEEEing without any conscious awareness that you're doing it. Nor will you see what I'm typing here; your subconscious will edit it into something you perceive as some kind of personal insult and simply dismiss it, responding with a shitpost or just ignoring it altogether.
>>28922631
If it makes sense, the contradicting commet or thread then you can't reply to it due to the small amount of things that can be said in response. "You're right", "oh, ok. That does make sense"
It could also be obvious bait.
Whenever you present an opposing view you can't just cram it down people's throat. Read Allegory of the Cave Op.
>>28922990
Well look at this thread. It got a handful of responses, then stopped dead as the initial posters made (largely hostile) responses, then stopped following the thread. The insight required for meta-thought about the narratives in r9k seems to be conspicuously absent, arguing strongly for psychosis here.
>>28922982
Your own worldview seems to be that anyone who has an unfaltering objective view on the world, morality etc is objectively wrong. Moral relativism. In your perspective, anyone who is staunchly opposed to, or doesn't bend to other people's worldviews is hostlie to YOUR worldview.
You hate people who are "closed minded" basically. So ironically, that makes you closed minded as well since you can't accept that other people have a strong worldview they won't change.
>>28922990
w-why do I find this image arousing
>>28923047
Look, in your view anyone who doesn't agree with what you're saying is hostile. I literally can't say anything other than "you're right" otherwise you would say I'm psychotic.
I do understand what you're getting at. For example someone posting about how getting a job is beneficial would get ignored by the NEET hugbox.
>>28923071
You're completely wrong. I'm a Kantian and believe in natural law as a result. But then, you won't actually see this response; you'll find a reason to ignore this too, in order to confirm your pre-existing belief structure.
>>28923085
You have a anteater fetish anon.
It's alright anon, it's alright. We're here for you.
>>28923129
>all these years without being a furry
>develop an anteater fetish
God dammit why
>>28923085
Fairly standard TF.
It's true. One main difference between /r9k/ and other echo chamber boards is the extreme negativity and hostility. Anything even hinting at something good is immediately shouted down.
>yay guise I finally got a gf
>you're gonna get cucked, enjoy your slut
>>28923106
OK, I admit I'm wrong.
>>28923176
That's because, that's what's most likely to happen.
The truth is always unpleasant, anon.
>>28922990
>>28923129
Do you have any more like this? Reverse google search doesn't yield a lot of results.
>>28923176
>some people don't want to hear the truth
>>28922631
>Is this intentional, or is it simply a result of robots literally not seeing anything which contradicts their worldview? The reason this is important is, if it's intentional, then robots are just neurotic. On the other hand, if they literally can't perceive anything which contradicts their pre-existing prejudices, then they are actually psychotic and are incapable of change
Did you ever think that you're just not smart enough to understand social board dynamics, without attributing it to the mental illness of others?
These boards are groupthink country but your theory is plain stupid.
>>28923176
if a robot overcomes a personal shackle, that is praised here.
a Chad scoring a rebound after a 2 year drought is not overcoming anything.
>>28923231
how's this one, this doing anything for ya?
>>28923071
Youre wrong retard, op made a thread regarding the r9k groupthink. Keyword, groupthink. Your post is indicative of psychosis as you chose to twist the OP in ways that you can argue against so as to not disrupt your foundational thought structure. I'd like to tell you to reread ops first post but i doubt you can see what his post was trying to convey. Just as the op said you twist e post into a hoatile insult you can feel defensive about because reading the post as face value results in a blow to your inner-ego. Sad.
>>28923265
Hell no. Look at posts or threads made by former robots who improved. They're met with nothing but hostility.
>>28923280
Here's an entire thread guy.
http://deploy loveisover me/d/last/50/6293601/
Put " . " where the spaces are at.
>>28923317
They're being ironic and just playing up the r9k board culture. Its when you see a poster preach their worldview is when the psychosis starts showing
>>28923291
OK, I was wrong and I'm aware of it now and I can feel the hurt, it was hard to deal with this and I admit it.
r9k and any other internet community has a groupthink, it's an echo chamber and when people post something that makes them uncomfortable they recoil (like me) and try to avoid admitting they're wrong.
I'm just wondering, how do I personally ever know if I'm wrong or not? I'm literally diagnosed with autism so I guess I'm a lost cause. I am psychotic, or maybe neurotic since I seem to be aware about it now
>>28923317
i would have to look at the posts, but id be fucked if i ever do that, you know better than i do i suppose.
>getting trolled on /r9k/ anyway
>>28923317
Because a robot is a guy that just cannot improve. Be it because of retardation, mental illness or just plain laziness, If you improve you were never really a robot.
>>28923317
If you have happy and fulfilling relationships for long periods of time you either stopped being a robot or you never were one.
>>28923374
>>28923398
I think this is what OP is getting at.
A feature of the groupthink here is redefining what a "robot" is to exclude more and more things each time, just to ensure that the only true "robots" are the miserable people who think like whoever is posting the new definition.
>>28922631
i thought everyone was aware of this already? maybe i'm getting old and you're just figuring this out now.
>>28923374
>>28923398
The No True Robot fallacy. Desperately clinging onto the belief that robots are born that way, not because of their life choices.
>>28923317
It's good to improve your life or whatever it is you think you're doing, but former robots who drop in to boast about how they just got laid and converted to normiehood should know better. If you're going to go off and live some normalfag life, you should do it but stop browsing /r9k/. It will only drag you back to this life and poison your relationships, or just annoy people if nothing else.
>>28923359
Psychoanalytic theory holds that simply expressing the thought over and over again should help. Each time you express it, a little of the emotional energy associated with it discharges. Eventually the pathology completely discharges and disappears; this process is called "catharsis."
>>28923453
I'm just wondering, does this mean that if I hold any belief for my whole lifetime without "letting go" of it it means that belief was probably wrong?
I'm just trying to understand
>>28923442
What would it matter if your life choices or someone else's brought you to this point? The past cannot be unwritten.
>>28923428
This is the kind of post that will be met with few to no replies, and is exactly what the OP post is describing.
The robots know is. They know they cant come up with a well-formatted refute. So its either ad hominem or ignore post. Ignoring the post would be a safer option
>>28923499
The funny thing is I'm the same guy who the OP was saying didn't get it, earlier in the thread. So clearly now I do understand what the OP means.
but I don't see this ever changing. This is the forum for negativity and catharsis. Not for improvement. If anything though I often find myself coming here to feel better about myself rather than put myself down. I have never posted the "you're not a robot" or told people to get off this board for being "normies"
>>28923485
Not the other poster but holy shit another fine example of ignoring the crux of ones argument.
Twist a post into a way only you can understand just so you can apply your distorted refute.
>>28923571
What OP is describing is INHERENT nature of anonymous imageboards. The medium itself shapes our thought patterns and programs us. It encourages people to act like you're describing. I guess you could say 4chan causes psychosis.
I'm scared that maybe internet anonymity should be somehow banned for the sanity of society. Our brains were perhaps not designed to process information this way at all.
>>28923545
>catharsis. Not for improvement
Catharsis, as I just explained, means discharging the emotional energy bound up in a pathological thought pattern. By definition, catharsis creates improvement.
>>28923477
It has nothing to do with right or wrong. In psychoanalytic theory, emotional pain is caused by a circular thought pattern. That is, thought A brings you to thought B brings you to thought C brings you to thought A. It keeps going around and around, each time causing more emotional trauma. Psychoanalysis tries to first make you consciously aware of the thought pattern, then gets you to talk about it over and over again. Each time you talk about it, some of the emotional energy is discharged through the process of catharsis. Eventually all the emotions are drained away and the pathology disappears. But depending on the size and strength of the pathology, it could take years to go through this process.
>>28923545
I have, and i believe people like yourself are supposed to be on /b/
>>28923499
these people just want us as their back up, their loser friend who is too pathetic to ever make them feel bad. they'd rather be a normie in a robot pond than a normie with other normies who might make themselves feel insecure because they're more chad than them.
>>28923597
Truth be told though. Serious MetaDiscussions of a board is part of board discussion. Its pointless but so is 4chan. The best answer as we all know is to not waste our time on this site as it serves us no good no matter how much "useful" information it has provided us.
4chan isnt a place for serious discussion. Its a place for likeminded people to come together and get comfy. In the end, its a substitute for social interaction.
>>28923485
The future is what matters. It's never too late for a robot to decide to do something and improve himself.
>>28923649
But your robot will argue that a true robot can never improve and hence cannot feel guilty about not taking any responsibility for their own lives. In the end robots come here because /r9k/ is their crutch. It's comforting, because confronting their multitude failures is painful.
>>28923648
Another post that will get few to no refutes because truth hurts.
>>28923648
>4chan isnt a place for serious discussion
Except it used to be. There was a time, not that many years ago, when you could refresh the front page of /b/ and always find at least two or three interesting posts by someone about an entertaining or amazing or horrifying experience. As the average age of 4chan dropped, these posts started vanishing in a sea of YLYL, cringe, and boring porn anyone with access to Google image search or a run of the mill thumbs site could find. Now you can refresh for hours and not find a single speck of OC.
This idea that 4chan is for "shitposting" is a very new one, and the people responsible used to be sneeringly referred to as "cancer." Now the cancer has taken over and the irony is that they refer to anyone who ISN'T cancer as "cancer."
>>28923648
Just wondering, would you support internet restriction laws similar to those in China which completely ban anonymous discussion and encourage real identity only?
This is REALLY out of my comfort zone but sometimes I really think it needs to happen for our own sanity.
>>28923698
4chan has always been shit. 2 or 3 serious discussion threads dont even make up 10% of total threads.
4chan is for shitposting/blogposting/venting/ranting and always has been.
what killed /b/ was reposts after reposts.
>>28923698
I think it's not merely age, but possibly more importantly, population density that's caused 4chan to become so "cancerous" in the past 3-4 years
>>28923668
Indeed. The defense mechanism of avoidance. To convince themselves that they're not responsible for their own situation.
>>28923733
Congratulations. You're cancer.
>>28923701
No because in the end no matter what im posting or what im arguing for no matter serious it appears in the posts, It's just me shitposting and calling it a night when i close 4chan or w/e anonymous discussion forums
>>28923746
Your specific post is no different. Enjoy your psychosis.
>>28923698
>refreshing
>not going into catalog for a thread of your interest.
like why do reddit and tumblr come here?
this thread is full of them, I don't get what you get from coming here and try to force your agendas.
like just leave us alone.
>>28923735
No, I'm pretty sure it's age. One of the defining characteristics of Millennials is that they don't care. About anything. They are all too cool for school. Being seen as passionate -- about *anything* -- is the height of uncoolness. Everyone is in a big rush to show everyone else how little they care about everything.
Ironically, this is actually how medieval nobility behaved in Europe. Passion was considered animalistic and low-class. You couldn't politely imply that a noble actually *wanted* anything, so you'd have to phrase everything passively: "Would m'lord be not overly uninterested in the tedium of hunting pheasant this afternoon?"
>>28923781
I've been here since the beginning, sweetpea. I was here before the r9k interregnum and watched this place descend from gently awkward gentleman sirs to grossly psychotic cyber-bullies like yourself who regard sardonic shitposting as the highest echelon to which a person can aspire.
You are the cancer we lost 4chan to.
>>28923746
Cancer enjoys getting called cancer.
>>28923781
I know youre going to get fucking rekt you either close thread and pretend it never happened or respond with a shitpost.
Back then 4chan didnt have catalogs nor auto-refresh. Your move twink.
>>28923812
>I've been here since the beginning
Literally stopped reading.
>>28923833
Yes, because oldfags are genuinely intimidating to you. When confronted with real, natural authority, your instinctive reaction is to flee in panic.
>>28923785
Can you get me an academic source on medievil lords being uninterested anything
>>28923851
>intimidating to you
Do you actually believe this?
where you afraid last year when you arrived of people like me for being before or something?
Lmao
>>28923901
My background is literary, and my knowledge comes from dead tree books read many years ago. I'm not even sure what I would search for online.
>>28923820
Are you the kind of person that thinks they have to prove something every time they interact with another person in the needs validation?
Those are some of the most obnoxious people ever.
>>28923916
Was that English? Your anxiety is making you flail your keyboard in increasing amounts of distress. When you're at the bottom of a hole, the best course of action is to stop digging, newfriend.
>>28923851
>autism the quintessential post
>>28923987
So the answer is yes.,
You don't need to worry, see, you can talk about anything you want, those things you read on the news about 4chan are just sensationalism.
Have fun, and enjoy, being an aggressive anon trying to defend your fictional oldfagcard is meme. you will fit sooner or later and stop worrying about things like that. in the mean time have fun and enjoy.
>>28924014
You should be posting a banana or a fedora or something to make sure everyone recognizes your shitpost as having zero meaning or function. You wouldn't want someone to mistakenly believe you actually *care* about anything.
>>28924069
Yes, newfag please go. You shouldn't be trying to keep up with intellects that are greater than your own.
>>28922631
Perhaps it is more complex.
Maybe, the object is to either supplement or sustain a perspective.
Perhaps we are not robots if we cannot sum other sentience's ideas, thoughts, or words.
Supplementary commentary makes a greater contribution, with the appropriate operating system.
>>28924073
You really must have a pain in your boipussy. I get it you got some feefees for the chan, but all you done is isolate yourself to post on here with its filth. You haven't accomplished anything worthy by shitposting for years. 4chan isn't a special snow flake changing the world, maybe you should try to grow up.
You're not wrong about some of those guys being cancer but it's not like you don't fit in with them. You're here after all.
>>28922631
except your wrong other wise femanon threads wouldn't get packed out almost everyother thread.
what does get ignored are being increasingly ignored are the racebaiting genderbaiting threads and those that would try and get us to attack other boards ( increases threads about /pol/ hate) it's clear these threads are made to antagonise and not disscuss a thing and most likely made by someone from lolcow,tumblr or reddit
>>28924135
4chan DID change the world before you cancerous newfags ruined it. For a whole decade, 4chan was the dark heart of the Internet, equal parts subversion and sociopathic hilairty. It spun off viral memes which took over all of Western culture one after another. But then, you wouldn't know or care about that because you're part of the apathetic, low-IQ, shitposting cancer which killed it.
>>28922631
You can say that many places are echo-chambers, and you'd be right, and it's a damn shame.
>>28922749
>You won't even perceive the things which are being filtered out.
You know psychosis doesn't just cause you to act a bit irrationally and not see things you don't care about, right? There's no disorder that makes you physically incapable of seeing things you don't agree with, as you don't know you don't agree with them until you've already seen them.
>>28922854
You know fuck all about mental illness, there are plenty of other types than neurotic and psychotic, including ones where you know it's happening but not why, you know it's happening but don't know it's a bad thing, you actually choose to act a certain way, not even thinking there's anything wrong, but not being psychotic.
Psychosis is a very specific state, and it's not defined by just "you don't know you're mentally ill", as many people with no psychotic features don't know they're mentally ill until treated. And many psychotics know something is wrong with them, they just can't admit that active delusions aren't real.
>>28924487
Wait a while. Cycles alternate, ups and downs.
>>28922631
>>28922749
Have you heard the word 'example', OP?
It refers to a tangible, speficic example of a general rule. For instance, rather than carpet-bombing us with vague 'groupthink', 'echo chamber', 'dissonance', 'neurosis', 'prejudice,' 'psychosis', 'delusion', 'mistake', 'blindness', 'filter', 'error', and such, you actually... you know... for once... give an example of such.
>>28926047
(The funny thing is how everyone ITT seems just to nod in agreement rather than noticing that OP has no point at all (because otherwise he would give particular examples of our 'delusions'), he just wants to implant a vague sensation legitimacy of 'u can always be wrong' in us. I seem to be the only person beside OP aware of this manipulation.)
>>28926047
>>28926102
Just can't help yourself, can you?
>>28926130
Please provide an example of a purported 'delusion' of robots you had in mind when making this thread instead of just asserting it, otherwise it is painfully transparent that it is the accusation itself and not dispelling the delusion that you're after.
>>28926047
>>28926102
OP is just a mangina or roastie who's mad that we don't base our lives around serving women.
Sometimes I will post something unique and irrelevant to board culture, they ignore that too, they seriously just come here to complain about their sex life like birds early in the morning.
It's the exact opposite. We're a /pol/-lite. Any and all discussion is welcomed with open arms. We might not agree with things we disagree with, but we at least discuss and critique it rationally. It's rebbit which shadowbans and hides things that don't conform to its narrow libcuck hugbox worldview.
Tell me what you believe in, op. I'll tell you why you're wrong.
>>28926151
I'm trying to eat breakfast here.
>>28926188
You have made a thread with no less than a dozen vague accusations, off-handedly diagnosing with psychosis no less. It is reasonable to expect justification.
>>28926155
Why would anyone care about what a bunch of basement-dwelling manchildren think?
>>28926208
>>28926188
Bump. Please provide even just two examples. The ratio of demonstration to assertion will still be 1 to 10 at least.
Even if this place is a circlejerk, so what? The normie world out there is an even bigger circlejerk. At least you don't see robot safe spaces in universitiesat least not anymore...
>>28926209
In their defense - why post here? You want to join loser HQ but exclude the proud white men? Just go to tumblr.
>>28924487
Have you considered your sense of humor sucked.
It didn't change the world, not in any positive way.
Who gives a shit about memes, people saying the same tired shit over and over again you're pavlovs dog and your just mad that your being conditioned to new treats, are you some kind of hipster faggot?
>I liked it before when it was cool
Get a job, try to start a family, build a birdhouse or some bullshit, maybe a real hobby.
You sound like one of those
>like this on facebook this enough times
accomplishes anything in the real world type of normies.
>>28926476
Pee-you!! I smell your stinky roastie all the way through the monitor. Please for the love of everything sacred go and douche that thing out. You'll need something strong like battery acid. Douche twice just to make sure.
