why not try LSDits fun as hell
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why not try LSD
its fun as hell
I did. Not a fan.
Just did 600ug yesterday, you can find my thread in the archive
It was fun
because i don't know anyone who sells it, i live with my parents, ordering controlled substances through the united states postal service is a felony, i don't have 12 hours to spend alone, i'm afraid it'll precipitate a mental health condition, and i'm doing fine without it
so i have a question for you
why don't you kill yourself
Tried it once. It's a social drug, I feel. You can't spend 8 hours alone in your room, tripping your balls off. At the very least you need to roam around a bit and experience the wonder. Comedown's a bitch though, I fell asleep in my own tears. Tried it once in my late teens, but I wouldn't try it again now that I don't know anyone anymore.
>>28906474
Glad it went well. Bold move
I'm scared to do psychedelics because I'm really anxious and depressed and I feel like I'd just have a bad trip. And I know people who never really came back from tripping and I don't want that to be me.
But I also really would like to so idk.
>>28906430
"Fun as hell"
Jesus how many acid-threads can one board have in a day..
Would if I could but I live in a small ass town where the molly is just meth and the only psychs that are actually legit are shrooms.
I'd love to try LSD but I'm not down for doing some nbome.
dmt is much better desu but if you have a whole weekend to burn then acid is the way to go but I work 6 days a week and spend sundays with my grandma so i almost never have enough time to drop acid but dmt only takes 15 min
>>28906430
>>>>>>doing LSD or any psychedelic for fun
pic related
>>28906816
>i drop acid to get insight into the human condition, bro
>>28906816
>dude drugs are a spiritual experience
>>28906430
No money to buy it
No friends to do it with
It won't kill me
LSD is for normies. The only cool psy is Peyote.
>>28906430
>Acid 1st time
aw this shit is awesome
>Acid a second time
Wow even better
>acid a third time
Woah
>acid a 100th time
kill me
I did it a lot in Highschool and loved it. Now I have no idea where to get it, I always bought from some kid that sold it from his locker. I want nothing more to go back to doing psychs but I have no idea how to find a dealer.
>>28906558
>I'm scared to do psychedelics because I'm really anxious and depressed and I feel like I'd just have a bad trip.
if you do it right you wont, also psychedelics like LSD can easily take away your depression and anxiety for the rest of your life if you just let them.
>And I know people who never really came back from tripping and I don't want that to be me.
the stories are either propaganda or the people had deep problems in their lives that they didnt even know they had and when they realized that they had them and the solution was right in front of them they chose not to take it and just began lying to themselves but deep down they know they have problems but are just too scared to solve them. pic also related why some people may get scared because of psychedelics
>>28906862
>>28906864
that was very original and caused me to laugh
>>28906964
>if you do it right you wont, also psychedelics like LSD can easily take away your depression and anxiety for the rest of your life if you just let them.
Please stop spreading that meme as if it's good advice.
You do psychedelics in the wrong state of mind you'll make shit ridiculously worse.
Also
>the stories are either propaganda or the people had deep problems in their lives
>psychedelics like LSD can easily take away your depression and anxiety
Literal fuckin autism
>>28906430
Listening to Voyage 34 or Ozric Tentacles is fair enough for me to trip
>>28907033
It helps some and damages others. When I started dropping acid I was in a horrible place. My first trip was pretty scary but when I let go it turned out amazing. It is very addictive though. I stopped taking my Prozak and just take acid instead. It's actually cheaper for me since I have no insurance.
>>28906430
I had my first sexual experience on acid, it was very odd.
>>28907158
>It helps some and damages others
> It is very addictive though
Nothing you say is remotely true. You're literally a walking meme.
>>28907227
I am speaking from years of experience with it. Anything anyone else says is their personal experiences. Like I said it is different for everyone just like any drug.
>>28907227
Actually everything he said is true. Some people acid helps, others it harms. And just like any drug it is addictive. Also anon said it is cheaper than taking Prozac because he has no insurance. That is true. I have health insurance and my prozac is $8 a bottle. Without it it would be $50+. I get 10 tabs for $20 and each tab lasts about 8-13 hours for me. It is cheaper. It is addictive. It does have different affects for people. You're just a straight edge norman and have no place in this thread. Or this website. So kindly fuck off.
h2c?
>>28906964
>if you do it right you wont, also psychedelics like LSD can easily take away your depression and anxiety for the rest of your life if you just let them.
ok so what is the right way?
>the stories are either propaganda
in this case no i know people literally like this
> or the people had deep problems in their lives that they didnt even know they had and when they realized that they had them and the solution was right in front of them they chose not to take it and just began lying to themselves but deep down they know they have problems but are just too scared to solve them.
this could be true though but i don't know its not very convincing to me. i kind of like myself the way i am and i don't really want to become one of those people, you know? i mean i hate myself in a lot of ways, but i don't want my brain processes to change...
>>28907448
cop 1p-lsd
Don't know anyone who has it, and cant use dnm because I live with my mom
>>28906528
>LSD
>social drug
We're all different and all, but not really. Sure it's good to have friends with you but it definitely inhibits social interactions, as opposed to enhancing them like alcohol, MDMA or what have you.
>>28906864
Are you honestly implying they can't be?
>>28907426
LSD in not addictive, you sperg. When addiction is talked about, everyone refers to physiological addiction, not psychological.
Everything enjoyable is potentially psychologically addictive, so stating a drug is also psychologically addictive is redundant and pointless. Also, that faggot said it was *very* addictive which couldn't be further from the truth.
>>28906430
>"Take drugs bro it's fun as hell"
FUCKING NORMIES GET THE FUCK OUT
>>28906864
>>28906862
>>28906816
>people who once took a puff on a joint and deemed all drugs as shitty because it gave them a headache
Weak pussies
>>28907349
>>28907426
and some drugs are objectively more or less addictive (and damaging), physically, physiologically, mentally, socially, etc than others.
maybe YOU got hooked on acid or more likely some research chemical, that still doesn't mean you have any right to say "LSD is very addictive" and not be mocked. You're objectively wrong on that. DMT, Lysergic, Psilocin, etc and even MDMA are not notoriously addictive partly because of how they work. you may have different experiences from other drug users, yes, but your anatomy is not radically unique
>>28906430
because i'm too stupid and lazy to use the darknet and check the mail before my dad does
also I never check the mail, so my checking the mail would immediately arouse suspicion
>>28907664
Normies take drugs for fun. Robots take them to escape the reality that is their horrible lives. If you can't understand the difference then fuck off back to your d.a.r.e classes you straight edge vermin.
It is the most power psychoactive substance I've ever done. Sadly it can affect your brain chemistry and it's entirely possible that you may lose or change part of yourself due to the trip.
For others they may not be affected as much...
Acid, enrolment all make me feel awkward and that's why I don't do them any more.
>>28907714
>Graph made on wiki by a bunch of straight edge retards
>Gets posted as fact
>Puts nicotine as more addictive than cocaine
wew lad
>>28907788
I was Deuteranomaly color blind since birth. I took acid once when I was 17 and I could see all the colors I was lacking.
Reminder that LSD is not a robot drug and you shouldn't take it.
At first I thought it was the greatest thing ever, spent hours and hours researching it and reading others' experiences, about how they got a new outlook on life, about how the world around them changed.
When I finally tried it, I couldn't stop thinking about how alone I really was. I couldn't stop thinking about how I longed for someone to share an experience like this with, despite always telling myself I didn't need anyone (sour grapes). I realized how empty my life was, and suddenly really wanted to hug my mom. Of course, I couldn't do that in my current state, even if I were still living at home. Then I couldn't stop thinking about how much of a disappointment I probably am to her, and how I never expressed any love towards my family. I felt so incredibly sad, like I was missing out on some essential part of the human experience.
I tried to distract myself from these thoughts with the internet, but became incredibly overwhelmed with how much information there was on it, and suddenly felt that I needed to learn everything. I was obsessed with the idea of collecting as much knowledge as possible, I absolutely had to, there was no questioning this at the time. But aside from the fact that there's obviously way too much information on the internet to learn all in a day, on LSD your brain isn't capable of learning things traditionally very well through reading them, so I made almost zero progress in this and became incredibly frustrated. I started getting stuck in thought loops trying to understand what I was reading, and felt borderline psychotic during this. I closed my laptop and left the room.
[1/2]
LSD is not a good drug for anyone with mental illness I believe. You will end up in the psych ward.
>>28907927
[2/2]
Then, upon seeing my cat (who normally is my best and only friend), I couldn't stop thinking about just how easily I could kill her. She was so trusting, rubbing against my leg, even though I was a giant to her. I just couldn't get the thought out of my head that, if I really wanted to, I could end this animal's life in an instant. I could stomp on her, I could snap her neck, I could do all kinds of vile shit. Despite not actually wanting to do any of these things, the intrusive thoughts wouldn't stop. I became terrified of the idea that I'd actually do it, that I'd somehow lose control and kill her. I started panicking, my entire body began to shake and I started to cry. I picked up my cat, put her in the basement, locked the door, ran upstairs, got in my bedroom, locked the door, took some sleeping pills, and curled up in a ball fighting off the intrusive thoughts while waiting for the drugs to knock me out.
In the morning, the intrusive thoughts were gone, but I felt like absolute shit. I couldn't stop reflecting on all of the realizations I made about how much I really hated myself, and how empty my life really was. That was the last thing I needed, really.
Maybe if you're some newfag reddit fucking faggot cyborg with a stable life and actual relationships who just comes here to laugh at frogs and autists, you'll like LSD. But if you're actually a robot? If you're a NEET who hasn't had a social interaction in years, refuses to show your face at family gatherings, and devotes his existence to attempting to escape from this hellish reality though anime and video games, DO NOT TAKE LSD. Don't take shrooms either. You will regret it.
>>28906487
Life of the party spotted
>>28906430
Because it literally makes you retarded by decreasing self-awareness (awareness that my epiphanies are just chemically induced delusions).
>>28906430
Problem is, the stuff is impossible to find if you dont know the right people.
Did cannabis under all its forms and dosage, it's pretty funny but at best you have a really fun time with your best friend, or have a top tier wank, and at worst you get stuck into a vicious circles of false pleasure where you just a spent a day doing bumfuck nothing but still enjoyed yourself.
Did salvia divinorum too. Wildest thing I've ever had, had lovecraftian visions and conversed with a tree.
Last substance I did was MDA with my best friend. We spent 8 hours smoking dope and rolling, had an amazing time that turned into delirium with strong hallucinations at the end.
Drugs are really fun but get yourself someone to use em with, or else it can turn into a particularly insane way to cope with life. Making a friend aint that hard, and it's a safe heaven. The only thing I've learned through drugs is that friendship indeed is magic.
>>28906964
'LSD is only harmful when the person already had mental problems' is a lie so fucking bold-faced that it deserves no less than just a hit in the face.
>>28907927
>""""""realizing"""""" one is alone
>""""""realizing"""""" one's existence is empty
>""""""realizing"""""" one is a disappointment
And this, anyone, is why you should steer as away from that crap as possible.
None of those things is anywhere near to being objective.
>>28908262
In other words, that >>28907974 cretin shouldn't have taken LSD not for the reason that it made him 'realize' that bullshit, but for the reason that it obliterated his self-awareness to the degree that he can't even tell a subjective impression from truth.
Honestly I know druggies are morons, but I still get amazed.
>>28908224
Hol' on there pal
It's true to some extent. Psychedelics tend to bring back what we try to forget, and magnify the things our mind already has trouble with.
And since this society is breeding unstable fucks en masse, don't expect the average guy to not be affected at all by hist first trip. Key is to start with very light doses so that you're not caught off-guards. It's true for ALL drugs but cool kids don't give a shit about this golden rule. Start easy, know your limits, and use common sense and you should be fine.
The drug is merely a tool that works upon the mind. People hurting themselves with these tools are to be blamed rather than the substance, unless you're using dirty crap like crack or coke.
Ignorance and lack of common sense kills. Not the tools used by those suffering from the terms above.
That's like saying that it's the knife that kills, and not the hand holding it.
Because Psychotic disorder tbqh
>>28908297
And your point is that only drug users lack the ability to tell the difference between truth and their perception of things ?
It's clear that you're against drugs, but for the sake of your own argument, try at least not to be so obtuse, mr.Selfaware.
>>28908390
>Psychedelics tend to bring back what we try to forget, and magnify the things our mind already has trouble with.
Why can't you idiots say something in a straightforward, nonpretentious way once in your life? All 'psychedelics' do is make you emotional to the degree that you confuse any retarded idea that comes with it for truth.
>this society is breeding unstable fucks en masse
ohboyherewego.png
>The drug is merely a tool that works upon the mind.
I despise the blatant, glaring, transparent apologetics whereby you pretentiously, conceitedly blame the taker every time something goes wrong for 'not doing their research and not respecting the substance', only so to maintain the bullshit status of your drug as 'totally harmless, because all harm is just irresponsible use'. It's embarrassing. It's worthless, it's trash, it convinces no one but yourselves, and it's literally cringe-inducing.
>>28908493
>And your point is that only drug users lack the ability to tell the difference between truth and their perception of things ?
Jesus Christ.
LOGIC
LOGIC
EVERYTHING FOR A DRUGGIE THAT USES LOGIC FOR ONCE
It literally, in the 100% literal sense, physically hurt to read this.
>>28908553
Okay man I'll let have the last word since you crave it so bad.
Your posts so far have just been "no ur wrong" with absolutely nothing to back up your shits. That plus ad hominems. Just go spread your hatred somewhere else like idk why you even come to a drug thread to just shit your pants in public
To me you're nothing but another proof that drugs can indeed open one's mind as yours seem as closed as a chicken's butthole. And sorry for my writing, I wasn't expecting your autism to get out hand so damn easily. The fact that you're raging so much however is satisfying to me.
>le druggie :DDS
Tldr just go fuck urself you simple minded fuck
>>28908741
Pretty generic as far as druggie insults go. You should really try to get into the 'I've heard it dozens of times before' range rather than 'hundreds'.
>implying you wouldn't blame a person who's become a religious idiot after a trip 'responsible for this, he should have simply realized that drugs are a tool and be more critical of his experience'
>implying you wouldn't blame that person for 'clearly having had some hidden mental problems' even though they would have absolutely no psychiatric record
Scum.
>>28908960
>>28908741
Also, mentioning being 'open-' and 'closed-minded' might just be the best predictor of lack of logical ability in existence.
>>28908960
(And that's assuming that you wouldn't just nod in earnest, sombre agreement as that guy would prattle about his relevations about the nature of reality and the psyche.)
>>28906474
Lol, I read that thread. Was certain you were going to die.
How it go?
>>28907927
>>28907974
That was a horror trip you had.
Everyone is different and everyone can get different results. I had trips that were like this, but I also had trips that were just eye opening to me. No spiritual nonsense, I simply learned to appreciate and try new things. LSD and shrooms are THE drug that can help you to turn more extroverted. It really can solve depression.
You only tried it once and I'm not saying you should do it again, but you aren't in the position to give anyone advice on this just because you had a horror trip on the one and only trip you ever had.
>>28909021
>>28908979
>>28908960
yall are faggots
lsd is the best thing for depression
im op and I have schizoaffective deep depression
lsd has been the best thing
>>28910573
>lsd is the best thing for depression
It's exactly as effective as becoming a born-again Christard.
Except when one espouses Christian beliefs he's getting the regular condescension for it, while believing 'psychedelic' delusions about understanding one's place in life blah blah inexplicably gets a free pass at least.
>>28910629
no it has lasting effects on depression
this has been legit studied
>>28910629
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/05/psychedelic-drugs-like-lsd-could-be-used-to-treat-depression-study-suggests
It's like $80 for 10 250ug tabs
And you have to go through the hassle of local bitcoins to get it anonymously if you don't want to bother with that tumbling shit.
>>28910167
Amazing, completely in control throughout.
But now after reading other dosage descriptions I probably didn't actually have 600ug, more like 300-400. Next time I'll do dnm
>>28910672
>>28910696
I never denied this, you morons. Druggie grasp of logic showing again.
In fact, the studies you're referring to fully consciously choose to not relate to LSD use personality traits such as gullibility or falsifiability of interests, exclusively limiting themselves to its relation to 'depression', 'anxiety', 'aggression', 'argumentativeness', and such, so for the rest of the consequences never to surface.
>>28907927
>>28907974
that actually makes me want to take it more. i hate self deception and like feeling bad about myself.
>>28910696
This is retarded.
Ketamine treats depression, physiological based depression, much better than LSD can.
LSD is good at treating transient AKA normalfag "depression" only.
>>28910696
>psychoactive drugs could help reverse entrenched patterns of addictive or negative thinking
I think that study underestimates their power to transform lives. Said drugs definitely help reversethinking in general.
Don't do it alone. I sacrificed my HDD and SDD to Poseidon for legal protection
>>28910792
>i hate self deception
'Psychedelics' are literally 'I'm being retarded but I believe I'm a genius': the drug.
If you don't know this already, though, you're probably just subject to D.&K. in saying that.
>>28910887
>'Psychedelics' are literally 'I'm being retarded but I believe I'm a genius': the drug.
considering the "realizations" people post in regard to their experiences with psychs, you're probably right.
i think i'll try it anyway and find out for sure. what's the worst that can happen?
>>28911024
Literally worst? Triggering a psychotic episode.
Worst in terms of beliefs? You becoming a 'universe is a simulation' 'everyone has his own reality', 'I O B J E C T I V E L Y understood that I should be nicer to mom' 'why can't you just agree that meaning is subjective and be more accepting of other people's views?' retard.
What's most likely going to happen? The above, except (unlike what druggies disingenuously claim only can happen, namely it either being an all-out disaster or nothing at all) to a lesser degree -- not that bad but still a loss.
>>28906430
>terrence mckenna dude lmao
Fucking lazy porck monkie hippies. get a haircut.
/thread
>>28911171
I fully support your having /threaded your own post for, in fact, end the thread it did.
>>28906430
Let's be real, the vast majority of people on /r9k/ would easily fuck it up and trigger permanent mental illness like Schizophrenia or complex PTSD. You might honestly be the dumbest OP I've ever seen on 4chan for how shortsighted you were in posting this. Did you learn nothing from taking it? LSD is one of the strongest drugs in existence. It's no toy.
If you're really a schizophrenic depressive as some other post says then you are actually well equipped to handle the altered state of LSD because your mind thinks very unusually already.
>>28910887
>'Psychedelics' are literally 'I'm being retarded but I believe I'm a genius': the drug.
You don't know the whole story if you've never altered your consciousness with one or bothered to read trip reports/read modern research on the drugs, you have no place waving your dick around. There are very good reasons LSD and MDMA are being investigated for therapeutic use .
I love drugs, but you psychfags take your self aggrandizement way too far. Seriously, we get it already, now shut the fuck up.
Because it's impossible to get.
>>28911226
>Let's be real, the vast majority of people on /r9k/ would easily fuck it up and trigger permanent mental illness like Schizophrenia or complex PTSD.
'no'
>>28911233
are you kidding, it's the easiest of any drug to get, in this day and age
>>28911299
>are you kidding, it's the easiest of any drug to get, in this day and age
What the fuck are you talking about? How is acid easier to get than weed. God, you acid freaks are insufferable.
>>28911299
>Implying that all blotter drugs are LSD and that all blotters sold as LSD aren't in fact NBOMEs or related compounds
>>28911330
If you order online, you're probably going to get what you ordered, or else the vendor will get a lot of bad feedback.
>>28911226
>It's no toy.
'If I puff up my claims, maybe people will stop calling them out on being nosnsense!'
>You don't know the whole story if you've never altered your consciousness with one
The gains of exposing myself to a strictly speaking new, if highly vapid, experience are negligible compared to the utter ruin it wreaks to my rationality.
>bothered to read trip reports/read modern research on the drugs
I read both of more than you have, and MUCH more than I *should* have.
>There are very good reasons LSD and MDMA are being investigated for therapeutic use .
As I said, you are a cretin for -- and expected to -- be(ing) ignorant of how exclusively a highly narrow subset of outcomes is being related to 'psychedelics', namely, that of decreased attachment: cf. the 'three A's' of addiction, aggression, anxiety, together with depression/PTSD/whatever. Because together with drop of concern for *negative* future outcomes also comes decreased concern for *positive* ones (meaning: ambition), and that fact no disingenuous researcher is ready to manipulate the general public into acceptance of just quite yet.
>>28911369
>both of more
*more of both
>>28911353
>implying the online marketplace isn't loaded with just as many fly-by-night vendors and scam artists as legitimate buyers and sellers
>implying you even know what you're talking about
I bet you saw some documentary on NBC and an hour later you declared yourself "King of the Dark Net" because you know what the Silk Road is now.
fucking summerplebs man.
>>28911369
>>28911226
(Not to mention that the lone use of the phrase 'therapeutic effect' should instantly and permanently discredit anyone who uses it in a study, but that's not going to happen in our universe.)
>>28911411
>test kits don't exist
>>28911330
This is exactly what I meant. And how the fuck would you even get something like LSD if you live in a small country with very limited social contacts?
>DUDE JUST ORDER IT ONLINE IT'S SAFE BRO
>>28911321
because it has no smell and is small, rather than stinky and bulky?
>>28911441
>would rather waste money on sawdust than buy from a reputable dealer
>grasping at straws
>>28911441
>Test kits
>Only test if there are indoles on the blotters
>LSD is the only indole that exists in the world
>>28911492
who said anything about not wanting to buy from reputable dealers? I am not following your train of thought
>>28911411
You realize that any vendor worth ordering from will have hundreds of reviews and testimonials to their product and delivery, right? Also, as >>28911441 said, testing is relatively inexpensive.
It's pretty damn easy to tell whether or not a vendor is legit or not.
>>28906430
I get anxious just from smoking pot, pretty sure LSD would be horrible for me
>Take 2.5g of shrooms recently
>Takes around a hour to hit
>Heh cool I can see some pretty patterns
>10 minutes later
When it hits, it fucking hits
>>28911506
There are actually multiple services (in the UK and US at least) where you can anonymously send them a sample of blotter and they analyse it with mass spec and give you back a report. It costs like 25 bucks a pop.
>>28906430
try LSD it be fun they said sure fucking was woke up the following day to find letters and shapes written on my walls with my own shit and blood
try LSD fuck that noise
>>28911538
At least there's one person who thinks that you came smarter out of the whole ordeal -- and, more importantly, that person is you! How fortunate!
>>28906430
Dunno where to get it, getting bitcoins is a pain in the ass, paranoid about being mailed drugs.
>>28911538
is 1.5 g a good starter dose? I was about to try it this weekend while with my family on vacation but I'm not sure I could act normal.
>>28911519
>Implying it's not just as easy for shady vendors to buy reviews of equally-unscrupulous opportunists or otherwise write fake reviews themselves
>Dude it's chill everything on the internet is true
Not sure if trolling or just next-level retard
>>28911431
Nice argument, faggot. What are you gonna say about the scores of people these drug has positively and objectively helped, to say nothing of the untold numbers who have righted wrong worldviews with the help of these drugs?
>tfw really enjoy the physical and mental stimulation from psychedelics
>can never tell it to anyone because the few times I have people have either immediately labeled me as some sort of hippie and gone off on some monologue about how drugs "changed their life man"
I just like altering my consciousness because it's interesting
>>28906430
I ate a bunch of sugar cubes once. Didn't seem like it was doing anything, so I decided to take a shower. Then as soon as the water hit my skin reality went full Wachowski sisters.
>>28911578
>What are you gonna say about the scores of people these drug has positively and objectively helped
That those people bear an uncommon similarity to druggies in failing to realize the fact that the final two words in that quote are a contradiction.
>>28911560
I went for a walk to the beach with my friend and he said I was acting normal however inside my head It felt like everyone was staring at me.
If you're going to take some, find a babysitter.
>>28911557
sounds all complicated as first but it's really easy in retrospect. the guides are all very noob friendly.
>>28911568
Out of curiosity, do you order from darknet markets regularly? If so, what one do you use? I'm curious as to where has such a bad vendor base that you wouldn't trust the peer review set up on the market?
>>28911604
Aaand you've just confirmed yourself as either a retarded, a troll, or somebody bashing psychotropes senselessly because they're threatened by the notion that your cognitive architecture can be temporarily yet positively fucked around with, or the notion that other people can get drugs and you can't
>>28911578
>the untold numbers who have righted wrong worldviews
Literally every person I had subjected myself to the torturous process of trying to extract a more or less straightforward statement of their purported 'newfound insights and understanding' from produced nothing but subjective impressions and not even wrong non-sequiturs.
>>28911604
>in failing to realize the fact that the final two words in that quote are a contradiction.
Not who you're responding to, but really?
I'm by no means saying that drugs will necessarily help you, just that some people have, through their use of drugs, changed thier lives for the better in ways such as helping them get over emotional baggage that was affecting their lives/relationships, helped move past depression and generally gone on to live happier, more active and fulfilling lives? Would you not say that is an objective improvement?
>>28911599
>reality went full Wachowski sisters.
lmao'd, good phrase
>>28911659
>your cognitive architecture can be temporarily yet positively fucked around with
That sentence has managed to hit a new low with respect with not one, but THREE aspects: pretentiousness, unfalsifiability, and to the degree that it is falsifiable, wrongness.
>>28911604
>those people bear an uncommon similarity to druggies in failing to realize the fact that the final two words in that quote are a contradiction.
If he said "helped by the standards of the vast majority of people" rather than "objectively helped" would you have actually put forward an argument then?
>>28910733
I'm glad to hear it went well, do you feel like you remember it?
>>28911299
Yes, because only an idiot would write off its worst effect as "due to shitty genetics". A bad experience on LSD can be extremely traumatizing and the stress behind such an experience can trigger mental illness.
>>28911369
Well, if you believe it is just a toy, why don't you go dunk yourself in a barrel of liquid LSD and see how it goes? We need someone to figure out the lethal dose anyway.
If you have no unusual or exceedingly difficult dilemma involving the way that you think, then I agree you shouldn't take the drug for the sake of taking it. After all, I did say it is not a toy.
If you have read so much about them, then why do you have such a hatred for people who have used them? I can easily link and will link everything I have read about LSD/MDMA/Psilocybin that has formed my overall opinion on the drug if I'm asked to. But what point is there in posting it now, if you have a clear unwillingness to be as belligerent as you can be? I don't even see a point in asking you for a source on your last statement, because I would just be fueling your tirade. This is a board for discussion, not Parliament.
>>28911713
>unfalsifiability, and to the degree that it is falsifiable, wrongness.
>>28911677
>>28911717
Happiness is just a tiny aspect of human performance. If either of you had bothered to read the thread, you'd see many preventable idiocies that druggies in their complacency commit and even openly disacknowledge. And this is just one thread.
>>28911713
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_11-4-2016-17-21-2
LSD breaks down the usual neural pathways via which the brain communicates with itself and causes it to function more "openly", in that most sections of the brain will be interacting with each other at the same time.
What exactly would you call this other than "your cognitive architecture" being fucked around with?
>pretentiousness, unfalsifiability, and to the degree that it is falsifiable, wrongness.
oh the ironing
>people being as angry as they are ITT
>people being as angry as they are on /r9k/
haha take a tab and chill out buddy nomsayn
>>28911785
>LSD breaks down the usual neural pathways via which the brain communicates with itself and causes it to function more "openly", in that most sections of the brain will be interacting with each other at the same time.
Psychosis breaks down the usual neural pathways via which the brain communicates with itself and causes it to function more "openly", in that most sections of the brain will be interacting with each other at the same time, too.
Idiot.
(See >>28911677 and >>28911717, that's what I meant. The idiot used the 'hurr it rewires brain' without even a trace of comprehension it's nowhere near inherently positive.)
>>28911673
This desu
Lost two friends to their newfound psychedelic nonsense. Spent literally hours stumping them on their views of reality only to be constantly met with the answer that I would have to take psychedelics to understand. Of course they were incapable of saying how any of their new understandings of the inner working of the universe had benefited them on any way.
>>28911782
>Happiness is just a tiny aspect of human performance.
What exactly does that have to do with anything? We listed multiple ways in which it could help people other then just "making them happy"
Very difficult to find real LSD in Ausfailia. Our government and own people are anti-fun.
There's still shrooms to pick but I haven't seen any so far this year. I need to go for a proper decent walk in the two forest I know of. Only place you can find them.
I remember once I drank two 'shroom teas' and ate like 20 or 30 individual shrooms. I tripped so fucking hard that night, it was amazing.
I do trip 2-3 times a year, though fun might be the wrong word here.
I experienced that the shit is an incredible problem solver, I am seriously getting my shit together step by step with every trip. Every time I'm gaining such heavy introspection, realizing what's really plaguing me in my life and how to fix it.
I stopped drinking and smoking, got in shape and finally getting good grades again. I learned how to be content with myself and to stop longing for validation in form of irrelevant bullshit.
Really powerful stuff. I can recommend it to everyone, though I think the experience varies extremely from person to person, you might even make things worse.
What happens if you get LSD in your hair?
>>28911673
>>28911826
does it bother you that they believe something harmless and feel happier for it? genuine neutrally-spoken questio
>>28911867
nothing
needs to be on the skin to absorb into your blood, obviously. though if you have it in your hair, some will probably be on your skin, too, by proximity
what kind of situation are you asking about exactly...? lol
>>28911826
>Spent literally hours stumping them on their views of reality only to be constantly met with the answer that I would have to take psychedelics to understand.
Yes, that's quite a gambit.
'You don't understand!' 'Well then explain it to me.' 'You won't unless you try it yourself!' 'Well try to put in it words.' 'It can't be, it transcends words!' 'Please try for me.' 'It can't, it's very subjective!' 'Well, then how is it meaningful in any way?' 'Meaning is personal!' 'What good is it to define meaning this way?' 'You don't get to choose what words mean!'
It's been more than once that I pointed out this retarded carousel's similarity to Sagan's dragon.
>>28911833
>We listed multiple ways in which it could help people other then just "making them happy"
No you haven't. The purported 'new perspectives' are without fail nonsense.
>>28911814
>Psychosis breaks down the usual neural pathways via which the brain communicates with itself and causes it to function more "openly", in that most sections of the brain will be interacting with each other at the same time, too.
Well, yeah? Do you have a point?
Do you not see why people aren't taking you seriously?
You said that his claim that "LSD fucks around with your cognitive architecture" was false, when it isn't. Then you also somehow claimed that it wasn't falsifiable, whilst also claiming it's false. Then, upon me posting a link to a study showing that it does quite literally fuck with your cognitive architecture, you just exclaim that "so does psychosis" as if that has anything to do with anything or makes you any less wrong about what you said about LSD?
Then calling me an idiot as if you got the last word?
Really?
>>28911811
Yeah, I agree with your sentiment. I'm interested in talking about psychedelics because I feel that so much potential is being thrown out the window by users who go into the experience hoping to see God, expecting their problems to disappear, or are simply in it for the vivid stimulation it provides. If there is some way to maximize their potential benefit, it should be discovered and it should be articulated clearly somewhere that anyone interested could read it.
>>28911330
>aren't in fact NBOMEs
this.
LSD immiations are fucking bad at what they do and they can kill you to. fuck little weenies from 4chan that order their shitty "lsd" off the internet.
protip; its not real LSD, you dumb fucking kids.
>>28911713
Awesome I knew it was one of those two! Thanks for proving me right
>>28911909
>this retarded carousel's similarity to Sagan's dragon
To make this explicit for the druggies ITT: you are insisting on 'meaningfulness' of your experience which cannot be tested, disproven, put into words, communicated, related, defined, stated in terms of matter, ... ... ... . You deprive it from any usual markers of meaningfulness and then still insist that it is meaningful...somehow. This alone is proof enough that any meaning you ramble about exists only in your delusional heads.
>>28911909
>No you haven't. The purported 'new perspectives' are without fail nonsense.
So people being able to form relationships without crippling anxiety is just a "new perspective"?
Out of curiosity, what kind of alterations to someones life would you consider "objectively positive", if any?
>>28911922
>some way to maximize their potential benefit
I think the chemical does most of the work for you, there. From my limited experience the takeaway lesson is to simply be in a good environment while you trip, to not freak out
>>28911902
No i was just wondering after some guy said about getting into a barrel of LSD or something. Like if you just had long hair and soaked it in LSD whether it would somehow soak down into your roots or something. If you kept it away from your skin. Idk man.
>>28911925
How often have you ordered from darknets, and what ones do you normally use?
>>28912019
He's not talking about darknet markets, you retard. He's talking about NBOMEs themselves and how cancerous they are for the psychedelic community as a whole
>>28911970
>you are insisting on 'meaningfulness' of your experience which cannot be tested, disproven, put into words, communicated, related, defined, stated in terms of matter
So presumably you think any and all religious thought or metaphysical philosophy is nonsense as well?
>>28911869
>does it bother you that they believe something harmless and feel happier for it?
Obviously not. But drugged ramblings, being easy to consume (one just needs to drop any intellectual standards), displace hard reasoning. If one can just freely ramble about the nature of reality being subjective and consensual, and get YouTube views for it, one hardly feels the drive to read the kind of things that can make one notice that, for instance, 'the brain can be active after death' is impossible by definition, or 'cannabis is harmless in moderation' is unfalsifiable. This directly affects the society.
>>28911925
>fuck little weenies from 4chan that order their shitty "lsd" off the internet.
>He's not talking about darknet markets, you retard.
What are you talking about? If he's talking about people ordering RC nbomes from grey market sites then why the
>protip; its not real LSD, you dumb fucking kids.
?
>>28912065
The transparently ill-intentioned 'any and all' aside, yes, of course.
>>28912056
the question is implied
>where to find "" __LEGIT__ " non-25i LSD on a darknet, recommend me legit sites
>>28911970
>you are insisting on 'meaningfulness' of your experience which cannot be tested, disproven, put into words, communicated, related, defined
If this were true the Psychonaut wiki's giant list of Subjective Effects could not even exist.
Neither would this research have any truth, even though it was tested and documented so that other scientists could replicate their results: "Overall, LSD had a pronounced global effect on brain entropy, increasing it in both sensory and hierarchically higher networks across multiple time scales. These shifts predicted enduring increases in trait openness. Moreover, the predictive power of the entropy increases was greatest for the music-listening scans and when "ego-dissolution" was reported during the acute experience. These results shed new light on how LSD-induced shifts in brain dynamics and concomitant subjective experience can be predictive of lasting changes in personality."
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27151536
>>28911869
Yes. They seek no progress for humanity other than these same psychedelic delusions. Bothbgave up heir entire college careers because they saw God. For my friends, they weren't harmless.
>>28912067
Surely "cannabis is harmless in moderation" is a tautology? I mean isn't "moderation" defined as "not in excess" and "in excess" is defined as "to an extent that causes harm"
>>28912101
>LSD imitations = NBOMEs
>you somehow not getting this still over three posts later
>>28906474
Link? Was in the thread yday when you just started, can't find it now
>>28912148
>Surely "cannabis is harmless in moderation" is a tautology?
Correct, and hilarious how you pretend that this wasn't implied by my 'unfalsifiable'. I actually considered using 'tautological' there, except I would use it a lot recently and didn't want to overuse.
Kudos for noticing it either way; I seem to be literally the only person alive to see the 'in moderation' fallacy.
>>28912106
>The transparently ill-intentioned 'any and all' aside
What do you mean by this? I'm assuming you're an empiricist, so I was just wondering if that extended to all forms of that kind of thought including "any and all" religion.
Out of curiosity, do you abide by any form of philosophical thought? regardless of how vague or abstract, do you have any sort of "code" or ethic by which you try and live?
>>28912143
nono, i'm talking about the belief alone. Forget becoming a deadbeat hippie or whatever. The belief alone, does that make you angry?
On a sidenote, isn't your complaint in that post selfish?
>>28912153
>LSD imitations = NBOMEs
Yes, but if people are not ordering them from darknet sites, but rather grey markets for RC's. then the products would be clearly listed as whatever chemical they actually were, not as LSD, as they ONLY might be on darknet sites.
>that guy who is buttblasted because his friends are happy
Empiricism hasn't saved you. Yet you cling to it like a dungeon sex slave.
>>28912196
>>28912148
(By the way, here's 'in moderation' in action, just a couple of posts on, except slightly oblique: >>28912221. 'Nonsensical beliefs are not harmful as long as we arbitrarily assume that they're not being spoken and taught to other people as if they were right.' Well sure, have your (True); except that expecting me to concede this is disingenuous, because in practice, IN REALITY, that doesn't happen and druggies are highly vocal; cf. >>28912139 (whose own idiocy I have to address soon).)
>>28906487
>live with parents
>order anyways because my parents are proper and don't read my mail, which is also a felony
>get my LSD and do it at night when they are preparing to go to bed
>by the time they go to bed, sleep, and wake up, you are fine
>>28912221
Yes it makes me angry that so many people are capable of deluding themselves.
Why does that matter though? The context is important? Is it selfish of me to want to stop people from joining cults?
>>28912279
>(whose own idiocy I have to address soon)
Are you going to "address" the idiocy of all those scientists who did the brain imaging study as well? Or is data not objective enough for you?
>>28912291
>Is it selfish of me to want to stop people from joining cults?
A man ought not concern himself with the matters of his neighbors, only the matters of his own mind, this is the rational thing to do.
>>28912279
>(whose own idiocy I have to address soon).)
You gotta schedule your time correcting people on /r9k/ who are wrong about thing! Lol
no time to waste. My rigid worldview steams onward, ever strong. What would they do without my guidance?
>>28912279
I would love to hear how you address the fact that pieces of the psychedelic experience can be tested and articulated with words. You explicitly said yourself "you are insisting on 'meaningfulness' of your experience which cannot be tested, put into words". Ego dissolution can very clearly be measured, which is significant as it is the pinnacle of the psychedelic experience.
>>28912279
>IN REALITY, that doesn't happen and druggies are highly vocal; cf. >>28912139 (whose own idiocy I have to address soon).)
Wait, what? I mean I completely agree with you about the self aggrandizing and talk of "meaningful" bollocks that people are spouting in this thread, but he actually just quoted a genuine scientific study, what's wrong with that?
>>28912335
So you wanted me to be selfish.
>>28912291
That poster didn't even notice that you're not the person he originally asked. I am consistently surprised by people's obliviousness to writing style and conspicuous personal details (your mention of friends).
>>28912304
Hush, idiot. I said soon.
>>28912335
This kind of misrepresentation of concern as intolerance is stomach-turning.
>>28912349
WAIT for fuck's sake. I am one and the druggies are millions. You'll see; it's not like his error is any novel.
>>28912371
This is a bit forward, but could you perhaps give a very brief description of your situation in life and history?
>>28912360
I don't want you to be anything, I am concerned with my own mind.
>>28912371
>This kind of misrepresentation of concern as intolerance is stomach-turning.
Not a stoic I see?
you guys keep arguing yourselves in circles but you never get anywhere. this website is exhausting
I don't know where to find any
Bxogsits
>>28912406
'I'll just call him a NEET as soon as he says or implies irrelevant, hehe.'
>>28912422
Then why ask me anything you fucking troglodyte?
>>28906558
If youre anxious, worried, scared, angry, sad, Acid will being that to the forefront. Your horrors will manifest, your worst fears and what is really making you anxious will become obvious, loud, pronounced.
It might be horrifying, but it'll be worth it. It is a great teacher.
>>28912427
Why are you so defensive? I'm genuinely curious. If you'd rather not then you can just say rather than memeposting.
>>28912466
He wears reason as a shield, because his soul is impoverished.
>>28912457
People keep assuming I'm you and you're me
Good thing I know who I am, huh?
Am I the only one who wonders why people who post against drugs in these threads are always really aggressive?
Like, not even "emotionally invested in their argument", just pointlessly aggressive? Like randomly insulting people who try to converse with them?
Do they not see that it just makes them lose whatever sense of credibility they may have had if they attempted rational discussion.
>>28912427
So I take it from your answer that you're a NEET, then?
>>28907974
>LSD reveals deep insight into your own psyche, especially the demons that haunt you
>Do NOTHING with the information and blame your bad time on the drug.
Jesus Christ, you cant even help yourself when the answers were all there.
>>28912457
I didn't ask you anything
>>28912458
LSD is like a magnifying glass for thoughts and feelings. It's just dangerous to someone who is already in a bad state of mind like that.
>>28912518
Whenever religious discussion threads have sprouted up on /r9k/ the exact same type of belligerent posting has appeared there too. Someone on this board absolutely hates anything related to these topics.
>>28912518
I would assume it's something to do with the fact that anyone who argues that staunchly against drug use has a very low opinion of anyone who does do drugs, and hence cannot separate what people are actually saying from the "stupid druggie" stereotype they have codified in their mind. It's like people on pol just screaming "shill" rather than actually presenting an argument.
>>28912139
Now the idiocy...
My point in >>28911909 and >>28911970 EXPLICITLY was about druggies' unwillingness to state their experience in objective terms such as of that study. Druggies routinely say 'yes, of course it was just a chemical fuckup in my brain, but the TRUE meaning of it was what it taught me'. That's the very fucking problem. They do reluctantly acknowledge the physical dimension of it, but only to dismiss it using 'no true' ('no true explanation of the psychedelic experience relates it to matter'). They insist that 'true' is the purported vague 'subjective meaning', which they then safeguard against any attempts of communication.
Idiot.
A piece of hypocrisy that hasn't yet become boring to point out: druggies not being bothered by the dissonance of admitting drugs 'lastingly change personality' while saying that the drugs' effects are 'temporary' (>>28911673). Further tip: the means of resolving the dissonance is the delusion of free will, whereby people just 'choose' to let the experience affect them in the particular 'lasting' way while still allowing for it to be 'temporary' in the sense of reversible/voluntary. Embarrassing.
>>28912518
Scum.
>>28912588
>LSD is like a magnifying glass for thoughts and feelings.
A sentence hardly gets wrong more hilariously than that.
>>28912598
>Scum.
You see my point, no?
>>28912588
Its dangerous in the same way hiking in the Arizona desert, or exploring the depths of the ocean in a submersible is dangerous;
If you come out alive, you will be infinitely more wise.
>>28912598
>Scum.
inky pinky, ginger and bread
>>28912624
Really? I would argue that's actually a pretty good description of a psychedelic state? It does tend to "magnify" whatever emotions one is feeling at the time, would you disagree?
>>28912626
The point of my saying 'scum' was that you call pointless and solely insultive posts such as >>28912598 which contain two or more hardly common points.
>>28912598
>Idiot.
>Scum.
Lawful stupid paladin roleplayer detected.
>Subjective Experiences Objectified: The Thread
You are all wasting your time on this inquiry.
>>28912655
There is obvious difference between 'magnifies' and 'serves as a magnifying glass for', your apparent ignorance of which is worrying. An illness magnifies pain, but it in no way magnifies your capacity to understand its neurological nature. Exactly the same way with 'psychedelics'; they make more acute, but they produce absolutely zero insights.
>>28912626 >>28912629 >>28912682
I hope that you find your brothers hanging at the attic one evening.
>>28912659
>you call pointless and solely insultive posts
I never said anything like that? Whether or not you have any real points in your posts is irrelevant, because the way that you word them just makes you sound like an angry autist.
I'm not saying you are, just pointing out that that might be why most of your posts (even the ones with pretty agreeable points) are only met with derision or ridicule.
I mean, imagine trying to take a lecturer seriously when, despite them making rational sense, they also needlessly attacked the personality of anyone who dared disagree with them. It would be pretty hard, no?
>>28912748
>I hope that you find your brothers hanging at the attic one evening.
>>28912758
>Whether or not you have any real points in your posts is irrelevant
>Whether or not you have any real points in your posts is irrelevant
>Whether or not you have any real points in your posts is irrelevant
>>28912748
>An illness magnifies pain
Well no, it doesn't.
>they make more acute, but they produce absolutely zero insights.
I never claimed they did, howver surely you can see that simple "magnification" of emotions may be enough to allow for more introspection than may have been had before when people weren't even consciously aware of those emotions?
>>28912770
this is a common path for threads
person argues about something but ends up looking like an asshole
other people stop caring about who is right and tell person he's an asshole
person believes he won anyway and won't hear it
>>28912770
Did you read the rest of the post?
I'm not claiming anything about whether you're right or wrong, I'm just pointing out that if you want people to actually take you seriously for once you could try to tone down your "fuck all you druggie scum" method of approach.
>>28912802
>howver surely you can see that simple "magnification" of emotions may be enough to allow for more introspection than may have been had before when people weren't even consciously aware of those emotions
Yes *strictly speaking* it is always a new experience, but this corresponds perfectly to cutting your arm off. A 'new experience' too, but impairs your ability experience/draw conclusions about further experiences in the future; so not worth it.
>>28912598
I don't buy it, you spent this whole thread spitting venom at anyone who so much as tried to approach the topic of the psychedelic experience itself because they did it in a manner that you did not like. Since you have been so belligerent about psychedelics, then how can you expect a high level or technical discussion from the vast majority of people? Rage is the easiest way to get opinions overlooked and disregarded and you are not so good at sublimating it into fruitful discussion. You might as well have said you just don't like drug users and maybe we could have ended on a more civil note. Finally, when people say LSD is temporary, they are very clearly 100% talking about the psychedelic experience itself. It should go without saying (unfortunately) that most people who have taken LSD may not often consider the idea that it could permanently change their brains rather than just their attitudes. But that is another topic.
>>28912598
>Positivism invades /r9k/
God damn it.
The subject comes before all else. Before we can know, believe, or even imagine, we must first experience. To describe the objective, we must first know it through the subjective experience. Therefor, you cannot ground the subjective experience in an objective reality - because everything we know about the objective is rooted in what we know of the subjective.
To describe the psychadelic experience objectively is like asking one to describe carpentry in purely mathematical terms. It cannot be done, and any attempt is rather silly. The psychadelic experience is inherently subjective; this is an inescapable truth.
Perhaps the same can be said of human experience in general, but thats for another day.
>>28912822 >>28912832 >>28912836 >>28912841
>four (You)'s in less than a minute
You'll understand I can't reply to every singlemistakeyou make.
>>28912822
If you read the post, you'd see that I actually agree with him on most of what he's saying.
It's not that he "ends up looking like an asshole", its that he just needlessly attacks people for no reason other than holding different views to him?
My point is that I want more people to actually examine what he's saying and consider it rationally, which they're a lot less likely to do if you sign off each post to them with
>idiot
>>28912624
You can talk all day about technicalities, I don't care. I have used it, I have had a bad trip and I have also used techniques learned from cognitive behavioral therapy to turn my trip around. I have a more intimate understanding of the psychedelic experience than an avowed non-user does, though that may change in the distant future.
>>28912880
>examine what he's saying and consider it rationally
but I don't care, I'm one of the others
>>28912871
>someone is wrong on the internet
>it's gonna be a long night
>>28911024
acid is pure love
acid and tequila is fucked dont messed you will get trashed
>>28912871
No, replies from you are useless, you are a belligerent poster with some kind of hate for drug users and drugs. Which is funny, because you care as much about the topic as they do, but you don't seem to see that. Your character repels discussion that is clearly important to you and contributes nothing neutral or positive to the round table.
>>28906430
>WHERE
CAN
>I
GET
>AN
ACID
>TEST
KIT
>DESU
>>28913004
You don't need to show your breasts to get LSD on tor.
>>28913004
its called fucking google
three two six
>>28913004
This website/company called dancesafe.
Dancesafe.org
>>28913019
LSD test kit* on tor, they have them there.
Unless you mean a drug test, which you can get anywhere, try amazon.
>>28913004
You can make acid easily at home you stupid faggot.
>grab a kettle
>drop a SHITTON of coins in
>pour in bleach
>piss into it, be sure to not splash or you'll get burned
>stir for 15 minutes, it'll stink like shit but once you boil it out it's acid
>>28913019
Attention grabber, mfw it worked
>>28913025
I know that famalam I'm looking for a specific one, ie that works and is cheap. Seems to be a lot of acid enthusiasts in here. Desu
>>28912883
>I have also used techniques learned from cognitive behavioral therapy
Heavy-handed 'you can change the way you think dualism, meaning?
>>28912822 >>28912832 >>28912836
Life is too short to be concerned with how your points are received.
>>28912836
>how can you expect a high level or technical discussion from the vast majority of people [if you insult them beside providing points]?
First, I don't insult; my statements of idiocy, cowardice, etc. are true.
Then, by holding people to the same standard I hold myself to. I don't care about being insulted. I've had many 'beware of him' images made and posted about me on 4chan containing lies and as much personal data about me as possible, and I don't care.
>when people say LSD is temporary, they are very clearly 100% talking about the psychedelic experience itself
First, if this were so, then it would be a truism. Then, that's false -- I've had numerous druggies assure people 'it has absolutely no power to change your personality'.
>>28912841
This post typifies the effects of 'psychedelics'. The rant is, on a vague enough level, 'true'. 'The objective' is in some banal sense 'rooted' in 'subjective perception'. Yes, senses exist, yes, people are sometimes wrong. Wow. But it is only druggies who never cease to bring it up so to drown out attempts of objective discussion, through constant unproductive reproaches of '...but muh nature of objective perception is dependent on subjective perception' which elucidate nothing -- having said which, they can them comfily return to runny crap about 'the inherent truth of reality is its subjectivity'.
>>28913056
Honestly making actual LSD is pretty much as dangerous as this, it's one of the most difficult recreational drugs to synthesize.
>>28913068
>'you can change the way you think
*'you can change the way you think'
>>28911299
Not sure where you live, anon, but I doubt it's anywhere close to me. Weed, coke, and shrooms are all infinitely easier to find than decent acid
>>28913033
Thx
>>28913035
Scared of tor desu
>>28913055
Seriously? Thank you! I'll try it with my grandma and uncle tonight. They're huge druggies kek
>>28913065
>Attention grabber, mfw it worked
You should address this, why are you needy of attention? Was it neglectful parents who weren't present to give attention? Parents need to be present for a good childhood development, did you parents leave you in the care of other people for extended periods of time? In that case you may see symptoms of the equivalent of a child abandoned by its parents.
>>28913068
>Life is too short to be concerned with how your points are received.
is that your excuse for being an asshole who patrols 4chan looking for people with wrong opinions?
>>28913149
The phrase 'wrong opinions' is wrong by definition.
>>28913164
thats_the_joke.jpg
two oh eight
>>28913068
>Life is too short to sit down and consider the long term consequences of being impossible to discuss or argue things with
Unless you're at the bleeding edge of science or industry this mentality will only ruin your life. Good luck, champ.
>My statements are true, so my impact on other people and my own reputation or the reception of my ideas is false. YOLO!
>>28912019
dream market my nigga
>>28913186
I am aware. I just used playing along the joke to highlight the difference between a wrong opinion and a wrong phrase.
>>28913194
Druggies' self-righteous quickness to issue life recommendations to other people is... not actually very baffling.
>>28912176
Search in the archive for "lsd" or "drugs and fun" in the title
>>28913235
Is it really that bad that you can't trust vendor reviews? In all my time using the multiple silk road iterations plus agora and blacksheep, I've never experienced or even heard of on the forums any high rated vendors selling anything but what they said they were. Hell, a few months ago a vendor sent me a free gram of MDMA because the previous package he sent was like 250mg underweight.
>>28913140
Is your brain fried, lad?
Maybe I won't take acid after all.
I was drawing attention to my question to get it answered. Kek
>>28913308
I can't tell if he's making some kind of joke/meme or if he's actually just an autist
>>28913308
Now I think of it, 'Brainfred' is a pretty nice nickname for a druggie.
>>28911720
Most of it, definitely. I can definitely remember my peak feeling which was a feeling as if I have been controlling my body from the outside forever, as well as having access to time travel. Like, I remember distinctly questioning why I am not yet in this place I'm travelling to next week, as if I could just suddenly decide to fast forward time and then being like "oh right I actually am bound by regular laws"
Also at one point I wrote my name down but it carried no meaning whatsoever. I completely forgot what it meant or why I carried it.
Still no ego death, probably because it was more like 300ug than 600ug. Looking forward to tripping again with real 600ug or even more.
I've got a tab hidden in a Harry Potter book in my room. I just need to wait for a day where he's gone all day.
>>28913339
That term has been used by D.A.R.E and hardline anti-drug activists for decades anon
>>28912286
my friend. how high I wish to welcome you to the world of psychedelics
>>28913360
You know acid deteriorates with time, right? Unless it's refrigerated and in total darkness it will have lost most of its potency in a few months.
>>28913360
I didn't know Harry Potter was keeping prisoners, anon. You might want to report that to Hogwarts.
>>28913394
>refrigerated
incorrect
>in total darkness
correct.
LSD is very photophobic. Unless you're microwaving it or some shit, there's no need for refrigeration. His Harry Potter book will do just fine to hold the cid, in spite of your contrarian babblings.
>>28913432
Why are druggies always such pretentious faggots when they talk about drugs?
I'm out, too much cancer
>>28913308
>>28913319
>>28913339
I don't use LSD. And you all did not do a very good job of denying the existence of adverse childhood experiences and the resulting psychological damage that naturally follows. Calling people names is not an argument. These two >>28913319 >>28913339 are white knighting on behalf of the woman too, just sad, pretty women never get told the truth.
>>28913481
>pretentious faggot
Nice meme, especially coming from the one who was spouting complete lies about the drug only two posts ago.
Good riddance to bad company.
>>28913366
I meant as in 'Alfred' or 'Manfred'. Granted not a very good pun.
Also, here's druggie attachment to reality for you. I've never seen ONE SINGLE article any critical of 'psychedelics'. They are universally referred to in superlatives. Your persecution complex is so irrational, even I, knowing you well after all, am surprised.
>>28913068
>This post typifies the effects of 'psychedelics'.
I am working off the insight of Hursserl, Heidegger, and more.
>'...but muh nature of objective perception is dependent on subjective perception' which elucidate nothing
Your rhetoric is conpletely empty. You try to act as if my points are obvious, hut its was YOU who was claiming the contradiction of them in the first place. If its so obvious, why did you fail to recognize it in your original post? Why did you instead work on false premises?
My post did elucidate something - that your requests for objectivity are futile and childish. Youre basically asking "explain what your experience means to you... objectively". But this fails to recognize that the notion of MEANING itself cannot be objective! Meaning exists only between the subject (or interpreter), the signified, and the sign!
>>28913551
You are not being funny.
For the sake of you having something more to dismiss: your non-sequitur 'objectivity doesn't exist' is in no relevance to the fact that druggies are guilty of the 'no true' fallacy in their saying that 'true meaning of the trip is what happens in the experiencing mind' as opposed to 'true meaning of the trip is that your brain craps itself'.
>>28913394
It's covered in a really tight thing if foil, I imagine it's alright
>>28913396
heheh, fuck. I meant to say my dad. Thanks for the laugh though
>>28913598
>objectivity doesn't exist'
Do you really think I said that?
If you want a point to dismiss, at least get my point right:
'Experience cannot be objective, that is inherently a contradiction.'
There, have at it. Of course objectivity exists you fool, but experience cannot be objective at all. Experience implies subjectivity.
>true meaning of the trip is that your brain craps itself'
And I am supposedly the one formulating non-sequiturs? This is a non-point, there is no argument here.
>>28913517
I clearly wasn't that guy, you insufferable faggot. Just an observer
>>28913769
>derrrr i trole you!
>But it was just a prank bro! look, there's cameras
Smooth coverup, dipshit.
What in the fug is going on?
>>28913506
Dude, how have you not realized that the picture he posted WASN'T HIM
>>28913692
>Do you really think I said that?
Your terms are so thorougly undefined, it really makes no difference outside of your impressions. 'Experience' or 'perception' or 'learning' or 'knowledge', whatever. It matters as little as your consciously gratuitous use of 'inherently'.
What matters is that you continue to drown out the points of my posts, most lately: the fact that 'psychedelics' trips incline you to declare a particular slant (if we can call the difference between meaningful and delusional terms to discuss things with a 'slant') 'the only true perspective' with which to discuss things. For instance, to declare true the slant of in discussion of psychedelics to ramble leisurely about the nature of knowledge, rather than discuss its social consequences. And that you are a generic 19 y.o. shitposter.
>>28913791
>assert something you can't prove
>"You're wrong"
>keep insisting you're right
hmmm
>>28913825
Please, for once, can you actually address and refute someones point rather than backpedaling, bringing up irrelevancies or just insulting people?
>>28913816
A super autistic anon with no understanding of social norms is deluded enough to believe he can convince people by being a hostile asshole. He will then move goalposts or shift his argument around to one single technicality and pretend that it validates everything.
>>28913878
This post is very nearly autological.
>>28913598
Allow me to add;
> 'true meaning of the trip is what happens in the experiencing mind'
Is not a 'no true scotsman' fallacy.
The 'meaning' if a trip cannot rest in the neurochemistry of the brain (what you call 'crapping itself', I presume), for if this were true, then analogously 'the neabing of a novel is the letters on the page' is also true, or 'a house is only wood, pipes, nails, shingles, etc.'
I can explain Aristotle's dispersal argument if its not obvious why none of these can be true.
>>28913896
I wasn't who you're replying to, It's just really tiring seeing you constantly misinterpret peoples points so you can attack them, then upon their points actually being clarified to you you just ignore them altogether and steer the convo somewhere else entirely
>>28913901
>'Hey can we discuss this kind of engin--'
>'THE MEANING OF DISCUSSION LIES IN THE MIND YOU FOOL!'
>'...Okay? Well then I also meant to ask about hosting a--'
>'ARE YOU SERIOUSLY IMPLYING OBJECTIVE KNOWLEDGE?'
>'Dude, what? I just wanted to ask how to run a web--'
>'MEANING IS *BETWEEN* THE MATTER AND THE MIND!'
>...
>>28913895
Should I strap in or you guys wrapping up?
Have been taking alot of shrooms recently, that I ordered online and grew myself.
Overall it has not been pleasant. It's actually quite a horrifying experience, usually: I become fixated on how badly I've fucked up my life, and how utterly alone and helpless I am in the world.
>>28913824
I was under that assumption when I did the google reverse image search and found no results. And women wanting attention and using their body for that end is very common, so that only furthered my assumption and got me talking about ACE's. Dear heavens this fucking thread, I'm out.
>>28913825
>Experience' or 'perception' or 'learning' or 'knowledge', whatever.
Are these words not clear to you? They are broad, but not ambiguous. I hope not, at least. They are very distinct.
> rather than discuss its social consequences
You never wanted to do this. If we are going to meta-argue, then let me point out that every time I refute your point, you enlarge the scope of the argument to more than it ever was.
In fact, I have yet to see a dismabtling of any of my points. You make sweeping generalizations about my rhetoric without pointing out where I have mistepped, or ever in fact said something that is wrong. You wanted an objective trip report, I pointed out that this is 'inherently' not possible. You then say that all druggies move to discussing subjectivity, which I affirm is for good reasons and is done by more than just druggies. Now you are claiming your original point was something it was not. Hurrah.
Goodbye.
>>28914014
>how badly I've fucked up my life, and how utterly alone and helpless I am in the world
Not that you're any able of realizing that at this point, but I'm still going to inform you that none of those subjective impressions of yours is true or false. They literally don't even have truth value.
>>28914014
It sounds like it's time to put down the shrooms and work on building something out of your life that will make you more satisfied with your daily living.
>>28914043
COME BACK YOU FAGGOT I JUST GOT HERE!!!!!!!!
>>28913991
Hahahahahahaha,
What?
Have you resorted to a strawman?
Yikes. Heres mine I guess.
>Whats a trip like?
>You feel as though...
>NOT IDIOT, TELL ME OBJECTIVELY
>Huh? Im just telling you that I experienced...
>WHY DOES EXPERIENCE MATTER?? STOP BRINGING UP SUBJECTIVITY
>...well, you did ask for my experience-
>NO, I ASKED FOR AN OBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE OF YOUR TRIP
>Thats not possible
>WHAT, OBJECTIVITY ISNT REAL?
>No, I was simply stating-
>STOP BEINGING UP MEANING AND SEMIOLOGY, ESCPECIALLY IF IT MAKES MY REQUESTS LOOK SILLY!
>>28913991
Except we're not talking about a mechanical process or a skill, we're talking about an experience of altered consciousness.
Do you think you could fully do justice to a description of say, looking at a beautiful vista, or a mind blowing orgasm, through only allusions to the specific wavelengths of light or nerve impulses involved?
>>28914043
>You wanted an objective trip report, I pointed out that this is 'inherently' not possible.
No, shitposter, not an 'objective trip report'. Calling this that would imply explicit disinterest in objective description of the chemistry of that trip (therefore it is no wonder that you misquote me as requesting that, as that indeed would make me contradict myself). In my original two posts, >>28911909 and >>28911970, I didn't expect a 'trip report' from the druggie, but any at all willingness not to assert that 'discussing the chemistry of psychedelics is inferior, narrow-minded, close-minded, ... '.
It is still sad to see people reduced to lies that are not even creative.
>>28914167
>discussing the chemistry of psychedelics is inferior, narrow-minded, close-minded
Who said this, exactly?
Or anything close to it?
Saying that one cannot fully grasp the experience of a trip through neurochemical description alone is definitely not the same thing as what you're claiming people are saying
>>28914114
>Do you think you could fully do justice to a description of say, looking at a beautiful vista, or a mind blowing orgasm, through only allusions to the specific wavelengths of light or nerve impulses involved?
This is exactly the entirety of reality of those indeed and I am glad to see you capable of so effortless a demarcation. Everything beyond those is delusion, a product of a self-unaware mind that is too weak to restrain itself.
GUYS I WANT EVERYTHING TO BE OBJECTIVE AND FREE OF MUH FEELINGS BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHEN I GET SHIT ON FOR BEING THE MOST HYPOCRITICAL PIECE OF SHIT WITHIN R9K OKAY?
>>28914198
Aw, it's so sweet to see a term as conveniently movable and redefinable as 'close': 'no that's not close at all'.
>>28907974
If I could recommend either Mushrooms or LSD, I would suggest mushrooms. You are more likely to get what you asked for if you buy from a dealer , you can home grow very easily and for low cost and maintenance and you can regulate your dosage with mushrooms depending on your mood and tolerance.
I haven't had LSD that often, but it's mostly due to the gamble taken with each tab in its potency and what it is. If you can get a hold of liquid LSD then I would recommend trying that provided you do research on proper dosage before you get to know your bounds.
At lower dosages I haven't experienced thought loops, mood swings or hyperactivity This is at half a gram of mushrooms. I do get "mild" visuals in comparison to higher dosages.
If you treat Acid or Mushrooms as you would Alcohol, you should generally be fine.
>>28914206
>Everything beyond those is delusion, a product of a self-unaware mind that is too weak to restrain itself.
What exactly do you mean by this? All emotions/any thought not entirely rooted in empirical reason is "delusion"?
Again, I understand if you don't want to, but could you please just give a brief description of your life up to now? inb4 "I'm calling you a neet", no, I'm simply interested as to what kind of life experience would form a person with views such as yours.
>>28914255
Please actually refer to my point instead of going off on a semantic tangentagain
Shall I replace the word "close" with "with the same meaning as"? What specific words must I use to have you for once rebut the points being made rather than ignoring them to pick up on some pointless semantics? Shall I ask you in fucking Latin so my wording is less ambiguous?
>>28906430
>ingesting pure degeneracy
Drugs are a degeneracy I won't partake in
>>28914347
Drugs have been used since before civilisation
>>28914347
Too late anon, you've touched the feel good dispenser in your pants. :^ )
>>28914360
>just because something has been done for a long time makes it okay
I presume you believe murder, rape and so on are okay based on this logic? those existed before humans in their current form
>>28914370
ebin meme my friend time to grow some hair on my palms
>>28914391
>I presume you believe murder, rape and so on are okay based on this logic?
Yep
>>28914347
What kind of faggot refuses medicine? Anti intellectual scum like you deserve to die of easily cured diseases.
>>28914263
>What exactly do you mean by this?
I mean things like the universe not being big, human life not being insignificant, animals not being alive, free will not existing and you not being able to control your thoughts, the idea of you having as opposed to being a body being meaningless, guilt and merit and good and evil and consciousness not existing either, it being impossible for me to say that I feel anyhow, happiness and suffering not existing, and such.
>All emotions/any thought not entirely rooted in empirical reason is "delusion"?
Everything that is not STRICTLY necessary to explain the world needs to go. Is the concept of God necessary? No? It goes. Of soul? No? It goes. Of free will? No? It goes. Of matter? Yes, that one is necessary. Our brains continue to reason based on the matter they see. Therefore the empirical framework into which said brains put said matter must exist. Parsimony.
>could you please just give a brief description of your life up to now?
Unrealized hobbies include the tiniest bit of programming and databases, historical linguistics, grammar, and such.
>>28914319
Hush.
>>28914400
fuck, that's the first post to make me laugh on this site all night, thanks for lightening up this godawful thread anon
>>28914443
>Everything that is not STRICTLY necessary to explain the world needs to go.
Why?
If it was really this simple, then do you not think that the greatest minds of our species wouldn't have been arguing over things like this for millennia?
People have had the same views as you many times before, if you're really so convinced that this view is absolute truth then why is it such a minority view in the world? Surely there would be more to back up it's efficacy?
>>28914443
Everything you've said is very much a subjective opinion. Do you not see the issue with arguing from your own personal philosophical perspective as it it was gospel truth?
>>28914167
Okay, forgive me, I understand where you are getting at with your posts more.
If you want to settle this argument with an actual answer:
Tripping makes you hyper-aware. You become extremely senstive to both sensory input, as well as ideas in your mind. Its "unleashes" the deep parts of your psyche, making them more obvious and noticable to yourself. It makes problem-solving/ puzzle solving easier, and as such many difficult questions are more easily answered.
Subjectivity makes a trip hard to define, because one of the fundamental attributes of a trip is just being hyper-aware of your subjectivity. Its not that its impossible to put into words, but any description you give will be as vague as the one I gave above. Its affecting your experience itself in odd ways, in large amounts you'll feel like a baby exposed to the world anew, with no language yet learned to map out this experience. Everything loses its 'meaning' or 'labels' (if youve read Kant, its like you are experience "things-in-thenselves"). The trip itself is very hard to pin-down with words, I've called it the "drug with a million analogies". Its almost as daunting as a task as saying "describe what its like to be conscious". I mean shit, where do you begin?
To summate, you are really just hyper-aware of everything. Like how smoking pot relaxes you, drinking makes you in-the-moment and easy appease, LSD makes you more awake than ever before, and very sensitive. As high doses, you are so sensitive that you can lose sensations of being a person, being alive, or having a memory.
>>28914538shut up you druggie
>>28914206
Hahahaha.
So a house is just wood, shingles, nails, pipes, etc? And if an earthquake happened and everything fell down, ther house would still be there?
Your ontology is too limited.
>>28914489
>if you're really so convinced that this view is absolute truth then why is it such a minority view in the world
Because intelligence only correlates with self-awarenes so far. Most people don't realize the neurological origins of, for instance, believing in self-determination ('it's myself that my actions depend on') or some sort of druggie 'interconnectedness' (not having a close enough grasp on their thinking to notice that to move from 'things' definitions vary' to 'things' definitions can overlap' to 'everything can be everything else' to 'everything is everything else' to 'all is one' is just haywire misequations). Most people are thoroughly unable to trim their thoughts.
>>28914538
Literally no thing cripples your self-awareness as deplorably as 'psychedelics'.
>>28914443
>People need to think like me, but if they don't I'm going to attack their beliefs so they never do.
:^ )
last time i did it i ate like three bowls of chicken alfredo right before and somehow forgot i was lactose intolerant so i spent two hours shitting my brains out + crying because i thought i was dying so i think i'm good for right now
>>28914443
If emotions are superfluous then why are you so fucking mad?
Whats a good beginner dose?
and how much would it cost to get it online?
>>28914583
>Literally no thing cripples your self-awareness as deplorably as 'psychedelics'.
To elaborate: the garbage you are inexplicably trying to sell as 'self-awareness' in >>28914538 is just laughable. There is no such thing as 'being aware of one's subjectivity'. It means nothing. You are at this moment recollecting the nonsensical sensation from your own trip and putting it to word, and this word salad comes out. It's exactly as if my brain shat itself into a phrasing that I came to associate with 'pet pants radio' and became indelibly convinced that this association holds meaning. The hit you took was just too big for you to ever plausibly hope to realize its nature.
>/r9k/ discusses Metaphysics, Epistemology, touches on questions that have tormented humans for as long as they could ask questions.
>/lit/ shitposts about DFW and John Green
Maybe there is some value in being a robot. You guys really dont back down from arguments.
>>28914639
>into a phrasing that I came to associate with 'pet pants radio'
*into a feeling that I came to associate with the phrasing
>>28914632
50-100 micrograms. Anything more is inadvisable unless you've got some serious courage.
>>28914639
What makes you believe this? This is the fundamental point behind all your arguments but I've yet to see you post an actual explanation for what makes you believe so staunchly that this is true?
>>28914639
What exactly is stopping someone from being aware of the neurological effects and causes behind the subjective effects of a trip, yet still being interested in the specifics of the subjective experience that those chemical changes bring about?
>>28914675
He believes it, therefore it is true. That's basically the crux of anything he says on this board. If you pick apart his so called evidence he will reformulate his argument around attacking some minor technicality and call it a day, or dismiss talking altogether. He's a proud vagina.
>>28914538
Moreover.
>"describe what its like to be conscious". I mean shit, where do you begin?
Nowhere. It's not a valid question. It's an artifact of self-unawareness.
>you'll feel like a baby exposed to the world anew, with no language yet learned to map out this experience. Everything loses its 'meaning' or 'labels' (if youve read Kant, its like you are experience "things-in-thenselves").
This must be the most inane thing ever, and I shudder to know that a vapid chemical fuckup has the power to make you adamant that this state is anywhere near 'the true, real, ultimate, bare, direct, blah blah blah manner of perceiving reality'.
>>28906430
I hate LSD the RC's shrooms, basicaly all hallucinogens.
do some shit and get it over with
>>28914743
>this state is anywhere near 'the true, real, ultimate, bare, direct, blah blah blah manner of perceiving reality'.
Who said this? Once again, you base your arguments on your own misinterpreted versions of what people are saying.
>>28914675
>What makes you believe this?
This not unlike asking people why they reject free will.
Because they understand that people being informed by nurture and nature instead of their actions and thoughts self-originating from thin air just yields more information. 'I did it because I wanted to' is simplistic and explains nothing. 'I did it because parents/school/genes' does. Similarly, the neurological perspective can just be explained at greater lengths (not by me, of course).
>>28914738
At least this is a valid question. The nerve of using the words 'specifics' and 'subjective' in one sentence aside, I don't know the answers. It probably associates certain concepts on some sort of low level. Same way sexual abuse can permanently make you avoid certain experiences, a trip can permanently make you hold certain subjects, such as ramblings about subjectivity and cognition (this set of favourite druggie keywords is interestingly specific), worthier of your time than physics or math or CS. A factor I would keep in mind is definitional boundaries, druggies being fond of quantifiers such as 'all...', 'everything...' and 'reality...'. It would seem they're just more accepting of generalizations, rough identifications ('A and B are "essentially" (!) the same'), and such.
>>28914814
Aw, it's so sweet to see a term as conveniently movable and redefinable as a 'justified reinterpretation': 'no that's still a misrepresentation of what he said'.
>>28914814
(The irony of me having read many times more of those inane trip reports than you, self-importantly telling me to read them, have read yourself, as otherwise you'd recognize those phrasings... is... no longer exciting.)
>>28914868
In short, pattern recognition going awry.
>>28914639
>being aware of ones subjectivity
>means nothing
Where do I even begin with you? Why bother arguing if you cannot even understand the words I type? Is english your native language?
Allow to be as methodical, exact, and intelligible as possible.
"Aware" is a word you know, I hope. When YOU (as a subject), are aware of something, you are conscious of it. It is in your mind. You can be "aware" of sensations, I.e. when you are poked woth a sharp pencil, you are aware of it and it's poking you. But in my use, I mean "aware" in so far as one is aware of their own thoughts, "aware" of a logical proposition, or an epistemological one. Descartes' "I think, therefor I am" is the quientessential example of being aware of something. In this case, Descarte is aware of the simple fact that he is thinking. To be aware might be to know, but I aware implies you are actively knowing it at that time, as opposed to passively knowing something but not thinking about it.
"Subjectivity", in the meaning I intended, is simply the state of being a subject. If something is "subjective", its existence depends on subjects to exist. Opinions, for example, are something that are subjective, for without minds or people to make them, they would not exist. They depend on subjects. Objects can be known to exist, or perhaps have a positive truth value, without any subjects to know, interperate, or perceive them. Many people consider mathematical truths to the objective.
To "be aware of one's own subjectivity" is for one to be aware (to actively know, be conscious of,) that one's experience is bound to being a subject- in order for one to experience reality at all, one much first be a subject, who is being subjected to things. Acid makes this very relevant, I.e. it reminds you this fact, because you no longer have a reliable input from the world around you to position yourself. The relational facts leave your mind, you only have left the awareness of being a subject, and nothing more.
>>28915040
Huh, that was actually a pretty good explanation.
Don't get your hopes up for him not immediately dismissing it though.
>>28914639
>What you said doesnt have meaning!
Failing to understand the meaning =/= there is no meaning. People dont say things for no reason, and the rest of that guys post gave that sentence enough context to show what he meant by it.
Youre basically initiating a non-argument, youre kind of just running away at this point. The minute we stop being at least somewhat charitable with that people say, when we stop at least assuming people mean things when they say it, is when it stop becoming worth it to even argue. Pulling out a sentence and saying "this is meaningless" is poor arguing; pulling it out and saying "I am confused, what did you mean by this?" Is much more pragmatic for yourself and the interlocutor.
>>28915040
I feel bad that you've wasted your precious time on this paranoid psycho. Go take a hard fap, we've all earned it
I read this great book about a dude's real drug experiences. Anyway, one time him and his bro were waiting for another dude to bring over the lsd they were gonna take, and they discussed the latest film they'd both thought was awesome. It was Alien.
Apparently after that the entire trip felt like the movie Alien.
That's a cool story, but holy fuck could I not handle that shit.
>>28915040
>To "be aware of one's own subjectivity" is for one to be aware (to actively know, be conscious of,) that one's experience is bound to being a subject- in order for one to experience reality at all, one much first be a subject, who is being subjected to things. Acid makes this very relevant, I.e. it reminds you this fact, because you no longer have a reliable input from the world around you to position yourself. The relational facts leave your mind, you only have left the awareness of being a subject, and nothing more.
If this is all, then this is...
...
...
...the absolute worst, most embarrassingly, stunningly, mind-numbingly ridiculous excuse for significance ever.
This is all?
'DUDE SUBJECT LMAO'?
Just how weak-willed do you have to be for any amount of chemical potency to con you into the impression that this holds ANY value ever?
'DUDE ARE YOU AWARE YOU ARE EXPERIENCING'?
THIS is supposed to be that ineffable, spiritual, transcendental, cosmic, ultimate, concept-shattering, mind-defying, label-rending, adjective-hogging experience?
It's a joke.
>>28915166
I watched Youre Next on LSD. Its a comical slasher: basically every shot pans around a dark hallway but nothing is ever there. Then people get shot with arrows out of fucking nowhere. Its pretty funny if you've seen a lot of slasher/ home invasion movies, but the gore scenes in it almost made me puke. Was not a good trip even after I turned it off; I felt like my life was itself a comedy without me knowing.
>>28915279
>>28915040 >>28915117
In short, you shit out a whole lot of words to refer to nothing.
I swear that by the sound of it, I would literally fall asleep during a 'psychedelics' trip. A Stacy gossiping with her friends is literally less vapid than that.
>>28915279
>I don't like it, so it's a joke and I don't like you either for trying to explain it to me
:^ ) Only a woman could argue like this
>>28915279
Eh, ever seen "This is water" by David Foster Wallace?
Simply remembering you are existing is something people do all to often. Remembering this often is a key part of being an authentic human being- the reason LSD and this subjective realization is so valuable is because it can, no, does make you reevaluate your life up to that point. "Is this a proper use of my being?" "Have I been working off of false premises my whole life?" "How does being an experiencing agent effect how I think I should be happy? Shouldn't I be securing my own peace instead of working for others?"
It basically forces you into an existential crisis.
If you think isnt valuable, then answer why basically every religious text and most philosophical texts need to first secure 'what we are' and 'in what way we exist' before thet can say anything else about reality.
Fuck, it took until David Hume until subjectivity was taken as seriously as it should be.
>>28915359
>being this much of a mysogynistic shitlord
>>28915359
There is nothing even to explain. It turns out to be a non-thing. It's under the threshold of engaging any thinking. It's a big fucking nothing. Except druggies will put it on its head and, arbitrarily of course, assert that 'no you don't understand it is this state that is true self-understanding'.
>>28915353
>To refer to nothing
What does exist, then?
What words actually refer to things outside of other words?
>>28906430
>mfw I'm doing some acid tonight with some crazy qt girls
Shit's gonna get really weird.
>>28915458
Begin asking well-formed questions instead of the kind that takes an LSD trip to begin to pareidolically see any sense in and I will answer.
>>28915443
I think anon has probably been trounced enough that he's just riding out the bullshit until someone tries to tell him what the psychedelic experience is actually like. In which case he can go fuck himself because his lack of actual knowledge about psychedelia is as shallow and vain as his conversations.
>>28915456
>The self isnt a thing
So youre Buddhist?
>>28915484
Buddhism is the most confused faith on Earth. I don't speak of 'the self' either way as only the body exists. Whenever I say the pronoun 'I', it can be substituted with 'the body whose fingers typed this post'.
>>28915476
>>28915456
>>28915353
Please read:
>>28915117
You cant just say "say something! Youre not saying things!" I am, you just refuse to acknowledge them. "Your argument wasnt an argument" isnt really a good tactic. What are you confused about? What are you not getting? Let us be charitable, not vitriolic and silly.
>>28915279
ONCE AGAIN
Could you please rebut the points being made rather than just insulting people?
If it's so obvious to you why you're right and he's laughably wrong, then surely you could elaborate on those facts and actually explain your perspective?please?
>>28915476
>Ask easier questions!
No.
>>28906430
did 900 micrograms yesterday, it was a great trip, I suggest meditating by staring motionless and unblinking into a mirror. shit is intense.
>>28915532
He's gaslighting because he (read: the body that typed his posts) is a mentally ill individual. He's not worth your time.
>>28915431
*all too little
>>28915164
>Go take a hard fap, we've all earned it.
Thanks man. If anything, this is good exercise in arguing. I feel like I'm talking to Thrasymachus.
>>28915431
>Simply remembering you are existing is something people do all to often.
I know. I would do that too before I had the lucky insight that it is dumb self-distraction which only keeps the brain from having productive insights.
>"Is this a proper use of my being?" "Have I been working off of false premises my whole life?" "How does being an experiencing agent effect how I think I should be happy? Shouldn't I be securing my own peace instead of working for others?"
Those questions are exactly the kind of crap your ability to recognize the crappiness of which LSD cripples. None of them makes any sense. 'Proper' is just a subjective perception that comes and goes and nothing is objectively proper. 'False premises', knowing druggie epiphanies, has nothing to do with empirical findings. Being an 'experiencing agent' is extremely vague, therefore it's impossible to form any meaningful evolutionary psychology hypotheses based on which -- it draws too far back in the species' history (and that's not even what you meant). Plus, as usual among druggies, you confused 'effect' and 'affect' (or maybe, being one, you genuinely don't see a difference). The fourth one again betrays the confusion that one can 'objectively realize that one should' do something, while the only thing that can really be spoken is matter, e.g. whether my brain contains a preference to do something, which is basically neuroanatomical.
>>28915551
>Could you please rebut the points being made rather than just insulting people?
Absolutely. Totally. Gladly.Please provide some as so far you've made none.
>>28915561
How can you seriously paraphrase someone asking you to actually write posts with thought out and elaborated upon points explaining your own views instead of just deriding the views of others whilst adding nothing of your own to the conversation as
>Ask easier questions!
?
All you've done this thread is repeat the same few points, but you've yet to actually explain the reasoning behind them.
Please?I really want to have a real conversation with you man, I'm genuinely fascinated with your views but It's really hard to get any real understanding of your reasoning when all you do is write out oddly formatted walls of text just saying that the other guys argument "isn't an argument" for reasons known only to you.
>>28915744
I'm not even the person you replied to...
>>28915504
Really?
So, if I were to throw a set of fingers at a keyboard, and without trying, it had happened to type out THAT exact post, that would not in ANY WAY be differentiable from you?
Or is a house, which is clearly just wood, pipes, adobe, and tile, was bulldozed but all the materials remained, it would still be a house? Clearly not, you cant live in it.
The difference here is purpose, or intention. The intended purpose of a house is to be lived in. If you cant live in it, its not a house. The intended purpose of throwing fingers at a keyboard isnt to express ideas. So thats not a person typing.
>>28915711
I, personally, haven't, but
>>28915532
>>28915117
>>28915040
did, plus many more ITT.
But I did word that poorly, I should have known you'd ignore the rest of my post when you replied.
A rebuttal is less important than you actually elaborating on and explaining why you hold your opinions and the reasoning that led you to those conclusions rather than you just outright stating what you believe then deriding anyone who thinks differently?
>>28915787
>if I were to throw a set of fingers at a keyboard, and without trying, it had happened to type out THAT exact post, that would not in ANY WAY be differentiable from you?
>confusion level: druggie
I am the body that made THAT post, not ANY post with that same text content. It is, naturally, understood that LSD deprives you of self-awareness to the banal degree required to tell apart two senses of 'same post'.
>>28915785
Well shit, admittedly, your post did look like something he would write.
>>28915867
I use two newlines after a quote. Good you have glasses.
>>28915884
>Good you have glasses.
ooh burn
>>28915845
You're posing that as a question but this is an anon who has no idea how society works. This might be an anonymous clay sculpting board but at the end of the day if you treat posters like dogshit you'll never find people who agree with you. And I think that is exactly what he's looking for, just the attention and none of the discussion.
>>28915848
>LSD deprives you of self awareness
it is fucking hilarious how apparent it is that you've never tried a psychedelic drug in your life.
>ITT: brain washed intellectual cowards parroting the propaganda if a shit lord police state because accepting their lack of knowledge and experience for what it is terrifies them with the nearing realization that their life spent viewing the world through a tiny screen in a locked basement might not provide them with a meaningful grasp of all there is in life, and is thus plausibly wasted
>>28915845
There is nothing I can do about people not making sense. 'If you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' One cannot reply to that -- one can just illustrate by example what can be spoken or asked about and hope that some people catch up. Of course, 99.9% won't.
>>28915884
Hey guy, I just found this thread and I'm pretty certain we've talked quite a lot before, You might remember me from my (many times repeated and as many times ignored) request.
Please can you give me some way to contact you? A throwaway email or some shit, I've actually managed to have a somewhat meaningful conversation with you a few times before but it always devolves into name calling. I really do want to understand your views, I agree with you on certain points but It's difficult to have any real dialogue on a medium like this.
Please?
>>28915744
>Youve yet to actually explain the reasoning behind them.
Okay, I have thought I have, but if it has not reached you then clearly we must try again.
I think we would do well if we start anew, and begin with new questions that I will, to the best of my ability, answer about LSD.
I humbly ask that you ask a couple of questions about LSD. Try to keep them specific, as you have critisized me as being "vague" or general, and I would like to avoid this as much as possible. So, the more specific your question, the more I can avoid generalities.
As for what you say in spoiler, I heartely agree. Let us continue with care and charity.
What do you want to know about LSD, and ingesting LSD?
>>28916005
Go to Google Images, disable any sort of safe search or whatever, google >most gruesome deaths, and know that I wish them to you.
>>28915985
If the remainder of 'what there is in life' beyond my 'basement' turns out to be the divine marvel of having won the existential lottery of being an experiencing entity, then I'll pass.
>>28915991
Honestly if I paid any attention to the example you're setting I'd probably learn that I will help, convince, and be friends with nobody if I act like you. Because you're so toxic to actual human conversation that even people who would like to try and understand you are called stupid things and are slandered by made up bullshit you use to apparently demonstrate your beliefs.
>>28915985
Also, your 'the society is after us' is really not going to be any tenable soon. You can't have the cannabis brownie and eat it, too -- you can't claim you're being oppressed with just how normalfaggy 'psychedelics' are.
>>28915991
>There is nothing I can do about people not making sense.
HOW DO THEY NOT MAKE SENSE?
Pick apart their logic? Explain why your views are correct and theirs are wrong? That's how this works. Just stating that something "doesn't make sense" does not an argument make.
> 'If you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?'
>One cannot reply to that
Of course one can't reply to that, it's a random nonsense sentence that you just made up and quoted instead of what I actually said.
>one can just illustrate by example what can be spoken or asked about
What are you on about? What does "what can be spoken or asked" mean in this context? Are you referring to someones post? Or are you just making up more random sentences to try and disguise the fact that you're not actually saying anything?
Not to mention that
>Illustrating by example
Isn't how you form an argument, what you're supposed to do (and this might come as a surprise to you), is explain the basic premises of your belief, elaborate on them and explain your reasoning, and use said reasoning to, you knowform a fucking argument
>>28916007
>Let us continue with care and charity.
>care
Start with discussing carefully enough to notice that you replied to the wrong person.
>>28916185
>it's a random nonsense sentence that you just made up
It's an old computation anecdote. Look it up.
>>28916204
What the hell are you talking about?
Why does it even matter? Its an open discussion.
>>28916185
>Illustrating by example isn't how you form an argument
What? Why not? Of course it is. In a ring of druggies, one can only drop invitations for meaningful discussion -- chemistry, social consequences, fallacies such as 'it's safe in moderation' or 'you should ensure it's safe' -- and hope one chooses to pick it up.
>explain the basic premises of your belief, elaborate on them and explain your reasoning, and use said reasoning to, you know
The burden of well-formedness lies on you. I don't have to prove you nonsensical -- it is you who have to make your points repliable-to.
>>28916007
>What do you want to know about LSD, and ingesting LSD?
Honestly, I'm not that concerned with that. That can come after your basic premises.
To clarify, when you said that any and all experience of emotion, or any thought or experience at all that isn't directly rooted in and stemming from empirical (ehhhhh) sense experience was "delusion", what did you mean by that?
Do you think that because these are allegedly delusions we should pay them absolutely no mind and aim to live life as stoic and rational as possible?
>>28916185
Now hold on, dont be doing the same things he is.
We're beginning to get stuck in a cycle if "youre not saying anything!" "No, youre not saying anything!"
>>28906430
already have, twice. Neither times real acid but both times were pretty bitchin.
first time
>get a hit of acid after waiting for months to try
>realize it's just BNOME when I get a retardedly bitter taste in my mouth
>whatever, as long as I don't die
>comeup was an hour, trip was like 2 hours
second time
>girl I'm fucking says she has some acid lying around because she doesn't do drugs anymore
>"fuck yeah I'll take it"
>it's 4 squares in a strip
>"I'm pretty sure it's 4 squares to a hit right? whatever"
>take the entire thing
>feel like throwing up really bad but fuck that. I'm not putting this back in my mouth afterward
>come-up is intense as holy fuck
>patterns on everything, have to throw up, can't stop laughing
>luckily roommates are home but they're fucking in thier room
>ask them to babysit me
>about half an hour in I'm already tripping balls, lying in my bed laughing out loud, and giving speeches
>from anywhere else in the house it sounds like a there's a maniac in my room
>eventually they take me into their room to watch me
>all of my sense are completely destroyed
>visoin is fuck, can see but can't register anything in front of my face.
>can't keep anything down
>moments of eternity out the yin-yang
>annoying the fuck out of my roommates but lol I don't care, I'm high as shit
only regrets are that I was too incapacited to actually enjoy anything and that I didn't have any left. all in all a fun time.
>>28915166
it makes you feel the emotions of whatever you're observing. It's pretty harsh sometimes. even if someone's fake crying you get really teary.
>>28916007
>>28915040
>>28914868
You're a champ.
Stop taking the bait tho, this guy you're arguing with has no damn idea what he's even thinking.
>>28916323
Again, I more or less should vainly inform that I am not the person you replied to.
I meant simple falsification through matter. 'Happines can be overcome' is a delusional claim as soon as, e.g. in case of Buddhists, 'happiness' refers to some abstracted... thing. It says nothing, at best it just says 'it someone feels bad, it might come to be that that person will feel good at some point in the future'. Nothing can be done with this. For the concept of 'happiness' to gain 'traction', it must be defined in terms of activation of this or that part of the nervous system -- that's an observation that can be related to literally everything else and inferred about to your heart's desires.
>>28916323
>Do you think that because these are allegedly delusions we should pay them absolutely no mind and aim to live life as stoic and rational as possible?
Also, I don't think anything 'should' be done. JUST HOW FUCKING SLOPPY ARE YOU TO HAVE ARGUED WITH ME FOR HOURS AND NOT EVEN TAKEN NOTICE OF ANY OF THE TIMES WHERE I COMPLAINED OF DRUGGIES' CONFUSING SUBJECTIVE IMPRESSIONS FOR OBJECTIVE FACTS? I don't say anyone 'should' disregard emotions (whatever that would even mean).
>>28916447
>>28916506
(In other words, 'disregarding emotions' holds as much significance to me as 'kicking a cat' or 'turning the lights on' or 'filling a captcha'. It's just something that can happen to a body and be related to other outcomes statistically. I don't attach any life importance to it beyond what it is, namely a reaction of a nervous system.)
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>>>28916007
>>>28915040
>>>28914868 (You)
>You're a champ.
>Stop taking the bait tho, this guy you're arguing with has no damn idea what he's even thinking.
>>28916643
>>28916428
Oops, the first backlink shouldn't be quoted. Sage.
>>28916428
Only the first two are (me) the same person.
Third post was best though.
>>28916227
So my understanding is that it refers to the fact that when confronted with the "wrong" data, a logic circuit will output the "wrong" results, however meaningless that is to say due to the inevitability from inputting the "wrong" data in the first place?
So, first, I'd say that I don't believe the human brain isn't comparable to that extent with a computer. Obviously the basic principles are the same, but the brains mechanism of function by no means relies solely on current empirical input. A significant amount of what you see and experience is "made up" by your brain, in that it uses knowledge of past events to "fill in gaps" in your senses based on what you expect to see.
Second, I would argue that the altered sensory and conscious experience whilst on LSD is not as simple as "inputting the wrong figures".
What causes, or at least facilitates the alterations of consciousness on LSD, as far as we currently understand based on the little clinical research into the brain on LSD that has been done, is the break down of the typical neural pathways via which different portions of the brain normally communicate by, and the introduction of connections being made between most parts of the brain at the same time.
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_11-4-2016-17-21-2
(cont.)
>>28916678
>(cont.)
no pls
>>28916678
(cont.)
This, they theorize, is connected to the fact that one sees visuals stemming from ones imagination, often experiences synaesthesia (senses seeming to "blend together", e.g. "hearing colours" or "seeing sounds"), and tends to feel incredibly emotionally close to and affected by certain memories or relatively mundane things.
I personally find this explanation, as preliminary as it is, much more reasonable than your claims of "utter garbage" and "wrong figures".
To clarify, I don't believe any of this points to any "higher truth" or bullshit like that, There is no better objective understanding to be gained, but I would argue that that by no means prevents one from gleaning emotional and mental benefits (as well as issues) from the experience.
>>28916447
Happiness involves neurons. It is not merely neurons.
Waves involve the ocean, but are not merely the ocean. Its a differentiable phenomen. I acknowledge that the components involved are significant, but they dont tell the full story. The man pointing to neurological behavoir are the man pointing to happiness are indeed pointing to the same think; but I see no reason why we should trust the materialist more.
>>28916678
>>28916718
Here's the link to the actual study write up, rather than an article
http://www.pnas.org/content/113/17/4853.full.pdf
>>28916678
*is
shit
Acid is meh. If you abstain from drugs such as acid, Psilocybe shrooms, and weed you are probably better off and have a better chance at being successful. But they have some medical and therauptic applications.
>>28916678
>>28916718
The 'figures' anecdote wasn't meant as an analogy for drugged brains, amusing at that would be. It was just an example of a misconception (there, not knowing that computers never make mistakes and that no piece of software ever had bugs).
That said, humans absolutely are machines/computers. In just a recent thread I explained that it is as unethical to ask for an 'unconditionally loving' gynoid as it is to ask for an 'unconditionally loving' woman.
Also, the size of an algorithm's input/output is in no relation with the algorithm's size. A one-byte-taking, one-byte-returning function can occupy megabytes of memory.
You're again guilty of retarded equivocation by apologizing druggie rambling how their experience was 'the most meaningful experience of their life' with the obviously true fact that said experience, defined in physical terms by the rare scientist willing to do so, can produce meaningful empirical conclusions. Those senses have nothing in common.
>>28916739
Speaking of retarded equivocations. Of course 'neurons aren't everything', but 'the rest of the things' is just higher-order neuronal structures, not some floating notion of happiness-in-itself. You're scum for even attempting to pull this.
>>28916914
>In just a recent thread I explained that it is as unethical to ask for an 'unconditionally loving' gynoid as it is to ask for an 'unconditionally loving' woman.
(>inb4 you provide another example of druggie illogic by misinferring from this that I say that either of those is either ethical or unethical)
>>28916103
you are an out and out moron if you sincerely conflate one LSD user's inability to articulate his experiences in a brief and informal format with the presumption that his poorly formatted explanation of his conclusions from his brief, small-dose trip represents all there is to know or learn from the psychedelic experience in general/in totality.
would you expect a child who's spent five minutes in Shanghai airport to be able to explain all therelated is to know about China?
know, you'd probably want a cartographer or a sociologist who's native or at least a long term and journeyed occupant.
Your defense mechanisms are laughable and transparent.
>they should have sent a poet..
>>28916152
>the oligarchs in charge of society have the lower class' best interest at heart
ahahahaha!
>>28917429
>I feel there was a lot to the experience, therefore there was a lot to the experience
>when people are being 'no u just dont understand'-retarded. it's not because they're retarded, it's simply that the strings that the psychedelic experience has stirred in their souls were so sublime, it takes years to even begin to find their verbal proximations
>appeal to ignorance
Fuck off.
>>28917483
They don't, which is why there is so much heavy-handed pro-'psychedelics' material in the media.
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