Aside from what's desceibed on the internet, in what way are people under ISTP different from people under INTJ?
Is intj the robot while istp is the failed normie?
>>28873883
just read up on them lol
most of the people here have just taken the test and dont know shit about this
>>28873883
MBTI is a bigger meme than astrology
>got one shot at life
>Born an INFP
>>28873883
INTJ's run the gamut between robot and normie. ISTP's are always robots, mainly because they're useless.
It's okay, we INTP's are just as useless or even moreso than ISTP.
ISTPs are cool. INTJs try to mimic their image and end up looking like cringe edgelords.
ISTP: action hero archetype
INTJ: insecure euphoric neckbeards enlightened by own intelligence
>>28874015
How come info is looked down upon?
I scored intj 5 years ago and i now i got istp 5 years later on the same website.
How are they different? I still feel like the same person
>>28874043
>ISTP: action hero archetype
Don't you mean ESTP?
>>28874073
If movies were real, ESTP would be heroes.
Military, police officers, detectives, investigators are almost always ISTJ or ISTP.
>>28874073
>implying the silent but deadly loner is an ESTP
INTP, but I feel like I don't retain facts/ systems. Like I use Ne way more.
I think maybe it's because growing up I was never rewarded for using Ti, and way more rewarded for using Ne.
Which personality is most suited for running various businesses from the back? E.g. They only talk to the managers and the employees dont know who the owner is.
>>28874207
You mean people that own the business but doesn't really work there?
ESTP is usually nicknamed the Entrepreneur
>>28874207
>owns own business
>doesnt work there
What? Thats how small businesses fail
>>28874265
He's talking about owning a franchise in a large business.
The people that takes those kinds of risks.
I've not met a lot of other INTJ people throughout my life, but I think robot is a pretty accurate summation of my personality.
No one wants to be an 'I'. If youre an 'I' then youre probably in an unfortunate circumstance of having your sense of self oppressed. Thats why neets and losers come on r9k. We all want to be E
Hijak - INTJ
Wojak - INFP
Pepe - ???
Chad & Stacy - ENTJ
Normie - ENTP
>>28874043
You are so wrong, INTJs past their euphoric phase or when they reach a certain maturity level, they realize nothing they think will ever matter so they just shut the fuck up and well thenI don't know I haven't gotten there, I may not even get there
>>28874346projecting intensifies
>>28874400
Yea im projecting. Doesnt mean it theres no truth to it and that im the only one who thinks this.
>>28874411
then dont say that nobody wants to be an 'I'.
>>28874411
well to say its a truth is debatable
>>28874073
estps are too socially dependent to be a hero archetype
spike, mugen, etc. are all istp
>>28874207
ESTJ or ENTJ
maybe even INTJ
>>28874432
Nobody wants to be an 'I'.
ENTJ is what INTJ hopes to be. While intj dreams about how they can take over the world, entj are actually doing it.
>>28874374
nah nigga, chad is either estp or esfp, and stacy is either esfp or estj
most normies are -sf-
>>28874346
How I see things:
>Robot: I wanting to transition to being E
>Cyborg: Transitioning to E
>Wizard: Stopped wanting to transition and accepted fate
>Normie/Chad: E only
>Failed Normie: Once E, fallen from grace into robot status
>Grand Wizard: Never cared for being E in the first place
Who needs swords when you can bash someones head in with a mace
>>28874473
ENTJ's and INTJ's definition of "taking over the world" are very fucking different.
>>28874374
Pepe is INFJ?
>>28874473
might be true for you but i have never wanted to be extroverted. i couldnt even imagine how i would handle it.
>>28874502
origamioli
>>28874530
yes pepes infj
>>28874494
Steve jobs had a chad attitude and hes ESTJ
>>28874548
Smug* Pepe?
Sjjddj
>>28874573
doubt it
also in case anyone gets this mixed up anita is entj
>>28874548
I refuse to believe pepe is a mentally ill socialist INFJ.
>>28874473
>Nobody wants to be an 'I'.
But I like me.
>>28874609
wew lad
dont think my type would be picking sides
>>28874553
what's your point?
estj men can definitely be chads too
but this site i found says stevie's an istp
http://www.celebritytypes.com/istp.php
>>28874635
yea he's istp
>>28874587
anita is a gorgeous piece of fuckmeat
if you disagree you've gotta leave
she's closest to an estj or an enfj anyway
>>28873883
INTJ: Borg. (Assimilate power.)
ISTP: Librarian. (Enjoy fantasy novels.)
What would an ENFP be?
>>28874653
All of those people are dead except for bill gates
INTJ WINS LMAO
>>28874653
gates isn't an intj
also jobs may very well be the most hated person in the entire technology industry
>>28874681
shes doesnt act like an enfj from what ive seen of her but you may have a point with estj
>>28874697
>on men
2deep4u chad
literal faggot
>on women
mpdg
stab you in the back bpd
>>28874726
You dont become the best and not bring a few haters with you.
>>28874755
yeah i've gotta agree with that
>posted from a macbook
>>28874726
There isn't really an argument for anything other than INTJ or ENTJ. And he went to philanthropy which suggests he has a stronger Fi than an ENTJ.
>>28874843
it just suggests he had money literally flowing out of his ass, and needed a place to put it
>>28874653
This site has steve jobs under entj
https://www.16personalities.com/entj-personality
I mean steve jobs made apple to be the most valuable company today. He always had the say on apple's direction and if you read about his personality, he was the type that expected people to go above and beyond for him. Hes completely different from Tim Cook. Steve jobs came across with a very strong and stifling character
He was very chad-like. I dont think ISTP can be like that.
>>28874843
>he doesnt remeber how much of an asshole shady businessman gates was back when microsoft was still young.
>>28874931
istps are introverted chads
desu istps are the only acceptable 's' types
>>28874931
>ISTPs don't have strong characters and don't have high quality expectations.
I don't think you know what ISTPs are. ISTPs are the quintessential male archetype. Rugged individualists. Steve Jobs had Ti he was obsessed with making the inner workings that nobody saw just as good as the outside. He liked to do things his own way. "Think different" is Ti not Te. Te is "think the same as everyone else". He saw himself as a pirate which is a typical istp fantasy.
Steve jobs was also a psychopath which is why he abused his employees so much.
>>28874931
or it means he has a bleeding heart and started acting like a faggy infp
>>28874953
INTJs can be assholes as long as nobody is looking.
>>28875085
meant to quote >>28874930 for the second one
>>28875085
So then what would happen if an entj and istp butt heads?
I got ENTP, feels good to be normie B^)
>>28875152
Depends what the scenario was. They might end up working together since the ENTJ would want to tap into the ISTP's talent.
>>28875085
I cant find istp having high expectations. They may seem cold and distant, that is steve jobs, but nothing about istp saying they expect a lot feom others. Infact they leave others to their own decices so long as they do their jobs
https://www.16personalities.com/istps-at-work
Cue istp managers
>>28873883
Is ISFP normie tier?
whats the perfect team to defeat an ENTJ?
>>28875244
>Infact they leave others to their own devices so long as they do their jobs
That's true but if they don't do their jobs that's when the rage comes out and they call you a fucking retard. It's not so much high expectations it's what they consider basic expectations but it's actually kind of high because Ti is analytical and can see all the faults in everything.
i'm degenerate if i'm INFP?
>>28874454
Mugen is quite obviously an ESTP, because that's the type that loves to fight and loves the feeling to be in the middle of a fight. And being extroverted doesn't mean you are socially dependent.
>Took test
>ISTP
I'm not sure what this means. I do agree with the doing an exciting job. I've always wanted to be a detective since I was a child
>>28875511
INFP reporting in. I'm a gentle degenerate.
Why is there never anyone talking about INTP's in these personality traits, are all of us just lurkers?
>>28875878
Personality threads*
>>28875085
>steve jobs was also a psychopath which is why he abused his employees so much.
hi stallman
>>28875261
yes
g'mornin' robot
>>28875608
"I don't wanna rule anyone or be ruled by anyone. I only believe in me, and what I can do."
Mugen doesn't give two shits about politics, leadership, etc.
ESTPs rely on consistent social dominance. They aren't the stereotypical "pirate", which Mugen clearly is. ESTPs aren't the only types that like fighting.
>being extroverted doesn't mean you are socially dependent
It literally does though.
>>28875878
you fucks have your own general like every other day
>>28876000
One general isnt enough for the INTP masterrace
>>28873883
ISTP: Distant loner who's are mostly pratical people. Prone to conditions like ASPD, lazy and disorganised. Rarely achieves mass success (relative to other types) but not stupid. Very rare to see an ISTP become a philosopher/scientist. Wonderful in the moment awareness.
INTJs are more people of the mind. They lack pratical and social skills but have amazing capacity for abstraction and long term thinking (I remember reading that the average length that AN INTJ can see into the future is 33 years). This is what gives them the le mastermind title.
If you like, ISTPs are masters of the body, and INTJs are masters of the mind.
>>28874494
guess im chad then
>>28874374
I'd say pepe or at least smug pepe is an ENTP.
Normie is ESFJ, they're literally defined as the normal type.
>>28874553
I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs is an ISTP. The sort of rudeness he had was more akin to a lack of Fe, not Fi, and he a very strong feel for how to make an impact and how people would see things. Something that ESTJs are only mediocre at, but ISTPs are amazing at.
>tfw non-fedora INTJ and successful because of it
I'm gonna hide here in the bottom of the thread with my INFJ tent. If y'all wanna join, just talk to me about your needs and emotional stuffs
>>28873883
you cant classify me bitch
Extreme INTJ. Chronically depressed. I think this is the worst type if one is also mentally ill.
Im an istp and it sucks because i'd be a total normie if i wasn't emotionally retarded. Im too attractive for this life.
i get ISFP every time which pretty much seems to mean im a faggot. not like i care though because this test in all its forms is obviously bullshit.
>>28876083
>ISTPs use introverted thinking
>INTJs use Intuition that does nothing but make them euphoric
>INTJs think they are the mind masters
>>28876796
You seem to be an expert, so explain how Ti and Ni work please.
Any INFP bros here? AKA dreamers
>>28878174
i'm infp but i was a chad in high school and elementary ask me anything
I'm ENTJ but socially retarded, so pretty much failed normie.
>>28878321
What sort of chad were you in high school?
do you lift weights?
how often do you dream?
Do you like to escape from shit you dont want to do?
>>28874015
it definitely is harder to progress in life being INFP. like just externally speaking. I take far longer for certain stuff than other people and it's just weird to me that some have friends or other people over at their place every single fucking day or travel to some shitty place every other week and are just full-blown normalfags in the most obnoxious sense of the word and are just hyper as fuck about every aspect in their lives.
>>28878174
right here, anon.
I wish I was dead though, lol.
>>28878451
i wasn't top chad but i had a large group of popular friends and an extremely fun childhood and teenage years
i have lifted weights for extended periods of time. but dont at the moment
i've done the test 3 times on different occasions and always gotten infp without trying. i'm extremely prone to daydreaming and i have a literal storage bank of stories that i've written in my head and i think about them before bed
i tell myself stories before bed every single night while i'm trying to go to sleep. almost all of the stories i have written in my head are extremely narcissistic stories that revolve around me winning in some way
>>28876796
Meming but whatever:
You don't have a point. Ni obviously does more than make INTJs euphoric. Otherwise explain this list:
http://www.celebritytypes.com/intj.php
I'm not an INTJ anyway. I don't know my true type.
>>28878993
What functions do you identify with the most and why?
kill me noooowowwwoowowowow
>>28879008
>1. Ni
I regularly feel as if I automatically understand and know things just by looking at them. An example was my friend was talking about a system and asked how it worked. I immediately had a very plausible idea of how it worked and it turned out to be correct upon testing it. Another way it might manifest is I could be walking around lost in my own mind when all of a sudden I'll instantly "realise" how something I've seen before might work, for example pathfinding in video games. This happens very regularly and receive these "insights" happen roughly once or twice every two days.
>3. Ne (also not sure how much this overlaps with Ni)
I have a witty off beat sense of humour that usually relies on comparing things to eachother or by pointing out how they relate to eachother. One example that comes to mind is how I made fun out of my lecturer by noticing how he has a lot of traits that are similar to babies with autism. I'm also sometimes like to consider multiple different theories or conclusions at once. There was a long time where I simultaneously believe in three very different complicated political views at once.
>2. Ti (not sure how much this overlaps with Ni)
I tend to understand how systems work and how parts fit together pretty easily. I'm quite good at working through abstract systems such as philosophy. Although this doesn't feel "that" powerful.
>4. Fe/Fi
I used to think I had no Fe at all, but I realised that I had been deliberately repressing since my edgelord phase as a teen. During my childhood my entire life was essentially built around pleasing my friends and family and ended up doing a lot of things I didn't want to do because I felt crushed if I let them down. I'm still like a lot now, I hate upsetting people and I hate letting conflict and disagreement emerge in a group. I also have a pretty high EQ. Although that being said if I don't like or know someone then I pretty much feel no empathy towards them whatsoever.
where are the other isfp at...
>>28879540
>>28879008
Oops Ne was suppose to be 2 and Ti 3
>5. Si
I tend to be really forgetful of small details or facts that I don't explicitly focus on remembering. I never learned my my own phone number (or anyone else's) I can really ever remember what someone dressed in. I have a terrible time remembering any particular song went, or the exact spelling of a word, or the a small grammatical rule.
>6. Se
I don't feel adrenaline rushes. I'm terrible at first person shooter games, I can barely ride a bike, When I was teenager I masturbated once every week or so. I've never enjoyed a party. There's not much more to say about this function except that it feels very weak.
>>28879540
Are you in general more explorative and your ideas and connections you make are triggered by cues from and based on objective reality, or do you prefer depth and conciseness and your impressions need no outside trigger at all and are highly subjective?
Do you feel more comfortable exploring many ideas and not have things settled until you have done that or do you prefer to anchor on and explore one thing specifically so you have it settled?
Where my INTJ fags at?
>>28880041
Somewhere in their own assholes.
>>28879858
My ideas are generally conclusion that come to my while I'm looking or thinking about something relevant to topic. But the conclusion itself is not usually triggered by any information but rather the act of immersing myself in something. I guess you could compare it taking a crap. There's a nice warm, calm feeling and then the revelation is there from nowhere.
I often try to reach conclusions and avoid leaving things open. But I often do leave things open. For example with my MBTI type I often "hop" from type to type without ever being 100% of whether it's my real type.
>>28876191
All INFJs that want to die get into the suicide tent. This time it's carbon monoxide poisoning.
Used to be INTP, started Buddhism became ENFJ. Feel free to ask me any questions, and yes you can change.
>>28880622
You can't change your type. Cognitive functions. Read up on them before you say "muh growing as a person"
>>28880657
falling for that low quality bait. Kill yourself
>>28874473
I achieve more than E. I have better thinking than E and I is not depended on ppl
>>28880393
Sounds more like Ti or Ni than Ne. If you actively think about something or immerse yourself and you get those insights actively during immersion, it's more indicative of Ti, if you randomly get it after a while, Ni.
> For example with my MBTI type I often "hop" from type to type without ever being 100% of whether it's my real type.
That's not how Ne works. Ne starts with one point, something from objective reality, and then spreads out. It understands everything by putting it into context with other things and seeing connections.
Ni interprets sensory data that Se gathered at some point. It works in the background subconsciously and is a very reductive process until you're left with one interpretation/image of all collected data. The data itself is most likely lost in the process or at least not readily accessible.
If you look at the image, going from left to right is Ne, going from right to left is Ni.
>>28881231
>>28880393
Forgot image senpai
>>28879540
You cannot have both Ne and In, you have either extroverted or introverted, same with the other functions.
Every type is made up of four out of the eight functions. Each has two perceiving functions (Ne, Ni, Se, and Si), one extroverted and one introverted, as well as two judging types (Fe, Fi, Te, Ti), one extroverted and one introverted.
Once you decide what functions you have your type is specified by the order of your four functions. Your type is ordered from which types are most prominent to least prominent. Your first two functions being your dominant and auxiliary function, and your last two being your tertiary and inferior functions.
Lastly, whether you are introverted or extroverted (I or E) is dependent on whether your dominant and tertiary functions are introverted or extroverted (ENFP: Ne Fi Te Si, INFP: Fi Ne Si Te).
Whether you are a Judgemental or a Perceptive type is dependent on whether you have an extroverted perceptive function or an extroverted judgmental function in your dominant/auxillary functions (INTP: Ti Ne Si Fe, INTJ: Ni Te Fi Se).
Hopefully this will give you some insight and ease confusion on how MBTI types actually work.
>tfw INFP
It's getting worse. My dad and cousin have been laying into me about not taking things so personally and how I act like a victim too much.
And I think they're right. I never noticed.
WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE THIS
>>28881399
INFP guy here, don't think that's the end. After realizing how you take things to heart, it'll eventually make you emotionally tired. This leads your "professional" life to take a massive hit, which in turn will make you depressed and, at worse, you'll kill yourself.
All I hope is that you don't get screwed over brother.
>>28880041
INTJ here. I want to die.
Real INTJ here. You need to actually be capable of achieving goals if you really are one, not someone who fell for the "smart but lazy" meme. It is literally the git gud personality
>>28881525
I'm already feeling tired. I've gone from optimist to pestimist pretty fast.
But part of that INFP charm is that I haven't given up hope. Not entirely. Not just yet
>>28882312
The root cause of this is our inner selves. No matter how much you "grow up", you'll always have a child's heart and innocence that desperatly tries to retain itself within. Take all of your miracle hopes and dreams and crush them yourself as they're not going to become true and hurt you in the long run. Find somewhere to belong and stick to it, happiness will eventually find itself next to you.
Or so people tell me, I don't remember me ever being optimistic about anything.
>>28882310
Pretty much this. I was an intj in every way before I knew there was such a thing as intj.
>>28882310
Smart but lazy meme is INTP, you mong.
>>28876186
mein neger. INTJ is about getting off your lazy ass and doing what needs to be done
>>28882312
>>28882443
>tfw ENFP
If I wouldn't be able to talk so openly and wouldn't have such a great sense of humor, I'd be an INFP too I bet.
I bet the three of us would be great friends.wanna go camping in the wilderness and cook some sausages?
Any expert on determing other peoples personality here? I test as intj and intp, and after i read all of them i feel like i fit istp them most. Also intp and intj seem way different, how is it possible im getting both of them?
>>28882312
This.
We're persistent like that.
>>28875878
>enter thread
>type long involved post about current topic with a bunch of clarifications and alternate considerations
>realize post has no point
>cancel posting and keep reading thread
Besides, most INTP posts without a specific topic are just angst over a combination of existential distress, apathy, and >tfw no gf who wants to understand you and be understood
>>28883002
Gosh, that sounds lovely. Just relaxing in nature with some bots.
>INTP
>tfw nobody understands me
>INFP
>tfw no ideal gf/friends that match what my imagination created for me
>>28883002
That wouldn't be so bad. I can be very open to talk to, but only with people I end up trusting and even then it's extremely tiring. Though going out camping with bots seems fun I guess.
>>28883186
Hey, at least you're still trying right?
I gave up before I even started highschool, not even because of imagination or anything like that, but simply because I have trusting issues now from too much bs. Good Luck to you though.
