>ywn be gay
I love the female body but I cannot stand any woman's personality. By nature their personalities are repulsive to me. Weak, very conformist, and generally unintelligent. However I can't bring myself to be gay, and even if I did somehow find a way to make myself like male assholes and bodies, I would still feel a bit of shame about being gay. But I think it would be worth it.
Anyone else know this pain?
Sorry you're having issues, but I think you're a perfect example of how being gay isn't a choice. You can't force yourself to like men no matter how much you want to.
>>28759812
True. I do find penises cumming pretty arousing, but I think it's more about my brain knowing how good that feels and projecting it on to myself than actually liking dicks, because I don't just look at a hard dick and get aroused.
Maybe I am mistaken but every female I've ever met is the same, just with different faces.
>tfw gay and the exact opposite
Men taking everything too seriously
I take everything too seriously
Women seem to have this way of floating above everything
It's more attractive
>>28759868
Huh, the thing I like about guys is that they CAN take a joke. Maybe we just have entirely different life experiences, but I've lost every single female friend I've ever had over a joke. Whether it was a joke I made to them, or about another friend and they became offended on that friend's behalf (even though that friend found it hilarious since he is a male).
Women just cannot handle banter, their priorities are messed up. They put schoolwork/job work behind their emotions and everything else and take it very lightly when they shouldn't.
Women are this weird bizarro world version of "people" in my mind, that I am surprised can even function with how unstable and emotional they all are. I thought "oh this girl's different" many times, only to be proven wrong.
I've learned that sexual orientation is just a choice in the moment. You need to try harder. It is possible to be 100% straight and become gay with enough effort. Spend more time watching gay porn.
>>28759783
I had a friend in a similar situation a few years ago. Just find a slightly butch bisexual girl. Bonus points if they're from rural communities then they are basically dudes with tits and a vagoo. There I just cut the Gordian knot that was making you miserable.
>>28759841
have you tried boipuccy?
>>28759905
Banter is shit, though. The only purpose behind it is to prove that you're confident enough in x to not take y statement seriously.
Banter is just a test that feels good when you pass it. Women don't get banter because they actually assume that every criticism is genuine.
>>28759812
More like a perfect reason how fags rationalize and choose faggotry. Jaded virgins know they'll never peen the vaheen so they settle for fucking man ass. Faggots.
>>28759935
There is no such thing you autistic fag just assholes
>>28759922
>Just find a slightly butch bisexual girl.
Oh of course, IT'S THAT EASY!
Just get this specific type of gf how did I not see it before! I never realized it's JUST THAT EASY.
Fuck off normo
>>28759783
I was like that for a while then I realised I just don't like people in general and learnt to just forget about companionship.
>>28759919
You might be bisexual. I've watched a lot of gay porn to try and turn myself, but I can't do anything but laugh at the fact these dudes find men's asses and butt sex so arousing.
>>28759935
If I were gay, I wouldn't want a dude poorly trying to imitate a woman.
>>28759958
Except that's bullshit. My best friend and I have zero confidence but we banter all the time. My brother is probably the most self conscious person I've ever met, even my well traveled dad says so, but we never stop bantering. It's just funny, and it's about making funny and stupid jokes. Not a weird confidence thing. Women don't get banter because they aren't intelligent enough to pick up on the fact that you might not actually mean what you're saying beyond the humor.
>>28759922
That is what I've been looking for really. One of those strong females who's basically just a guy with a vagina. But I can't seem to find it. I think it's just a myth shown in the media to make women feel better about themselves.
>>28759982
If it makes a difference I have had sex before, so it's not an issue of not being able to peen the vaheen. I just am repulsed by every minute I spend around women.
>>28759996
Don't be a faggot he's just trying to help.
>>28759997
That may be my issue. Only time will tell.
>>28759958
Banter and humor are two distinct things. Usually people who can't take banter can't take humor that isn't politically correct i.e humor that plays on the absurdity of everything, be it yourself, the others or the world at large.
I have the same experience at that other anon, not really losing friends but women being less receptive to humor in general, even relatively tame humor. Banter is knowing how to laugh at yourself, and that's more of a male trait I find.
>Women don't get banter because they actually assume that every criticism is genuine.
Yea, my point. You should be able to take a criticism, be it banter or a serious one.
>>28760004
>Women don't get banter because they aren't intelligent enough to pick up on the fact that you might not actually mean what you're saying beyond the humor.
No, women don't get banter because they're intelligent enough to know that there's a fragment of truth behind what you're saying, and if there isn't, then there would be no point in you saying it in the first place.
>>28760004
They do exist but you have to make sure they're bi. If they're not they always just turn out to be annoying grrl pwr crypto-stacies. The pursuit of pussy builds character in everyone.
>>28760089
>can't take it because it's the truth
that's even more retarded
>>28760089
I call my best friend and brother faggot, nigger, loser, fatass, lanky, asshole, loose bunghole, all sorts of names. There is no truth to any of it. You sound a bit like those oversensitive women I've dealt with. I don't actually mean that my brother is a homosexual when I call him a faggot.
>>28760092
I don't know. The idea of her being bi opens the door for her "experimenting" and just generally having been a slut.
>>28760024
>If it makes a difference I have had sex before, so it's not an issue of not being able to peen the vaheen.
Yeah it makes a difference.
The difference is that youSHOULD GET OFF MY FUCKING BOARD YOU FUCKING NORMIE.
Like really, >>>/adv/
>>28760076
>You should be able to take a criticism, be it banter or a serious one
If you passively accept, or even worse, derive pleasure from any form of criticism then you will never change the behavior that caused that criticism to occur in the first place.
>Banter is knowing how to laugh at yourself
And then what? You just go on your merry way knowing how ridiculous you are instead of trying to be something that isn't ridiculous?
>>28760128
>There is no truth to any of it
So what's the point? Why do you do it then, if there is no truth behind it? It doesn't make any sense at all.
Like I said, it's so you can prove that you're confident enough in x to not take the criticism seriously. X can be anything that's relevant to the situation.
Women don't care for those kinds of contests.
>>28760145
Everything's ridiculous m8
>>28760180
Doesn't mean that it ought to be, and it doesn't mean that it truly is outside of anything but your perception. Humor is only a defense mechanism that's employed to shrug off the reality of whatever it is you're dealing with.
>>28760145
You think like a woman, that's awful.
You should accept criticism, not take it for absolute truth. It is reminding you that you are a subject, and as such, subjective.
And most of the time, you can't change your behavior by simple act of willpower, so it is better to accept it as a fact and have a laugh about it than close your eyes and pout in a corner.
>>28760170
It's not a contest, it's friendly escalation into absudity.
>>28760170
>it's so you can prove that you're confident enough in x to not take the criticism seriously
It's not a criticism if there's no truth behind it, bud.
>What's the point?
It's funny. Do you not see the absurdity in two best friends who love each other dearly calling each other the worst names imaginable? In saying terrible things to each other? There's an elementary humor in calling your friend a faggot, but most of the humor derives from the absurdity of it. We both laugh because it's such a bizarre thing to do.
The fact that you and women miss out on this absurdity proves to me that you're running on some different level. Maybe you and women share a sense of humor where anything mean spirited in any way is off limits and a big no no, but we find that hilarious.
>>28760205
>Humor is only a defense mechanism that's employed to shrug off the reality of whatever it is you're dealing with
You are so out of whack about what humor is. Humor is absurdity. Humor is not always a defense mechanism. Humor can be used as a defense mechanism, but most of the time it's laughing at absurdity.
Like, do you watch intentionally funny youtube videos with a blank face and think "the video creator must be going through something terrible in life to have made something this humorous"???
>>28760221
>You should accept criticism, not take it for absolute truth
I thought the criticism wasn't genuine to begin with? So it was? There actually is a criticism to accept? Get your story straight.
>And most of the time, you can't change your behavior by simple act of willpower
Maybe -you- can't. That's not an excuse to actively choose not to.
>It's not a contest, it's friendly escalation into absurdity.
The idea that someone may be a faggot or whatever derogatory term you choose to use actually isn't all that absurd. Unless, of course, that person is confident enough in knowing that they aren't whatever you're calling them to see it as absurd. In which case we're back to exactly what I was saying, that it's a test.
>>28760170
Fun, the same reason most people do most things, part of the fun lies in the contest sure but it's mostly just something to do with your friends and general humor.
>>28760128
You sound like a fedora stuck in his edgelord phase. Women want you to stop talking to them because you're obnoxious.
>>28760270
Not him but you're missing the point.
You think there are strict guidelines on humor and that anything close to derogatory humor is "test".
To be able to take a joke does mean you are confident. It's not a test of confidence. If you insist it's a test, it's a test on your sense of humor.
You don't have to "be confident" to shrug off your best friend calling you a faggot. It's absurd because you are not that. It's not absurd because you are "confident enough to shrug that attack off".
You need the understand the difference. The absurdity is in the fact that the person you are making a joke about is not in fact that thing, and the fact that you are a close friend but still implying they are that thing, is absurd and therefore humorous.
It is not about them "being confident enough to shrug it off". You are so stuck in your own view of being unable to take a joke that you can't understand what the actual humor is.
>>28760253
>Like, do you watch intentionally funny youtube videos with a blank face and think "the video creator must be going through something terrible in life to have made something this humorous"???
No, I think "why did I think this was funny, what would I be thinking if I didn't think it was funny?"
>but most of the time it's laughing at absurdity.
Seeing reality as absurd IS a defense mechanism. Sure, there are impossible scenarios that are both genuinely absurd and hilarious, but when what you say could represent a potential truth, then choosing to view it as absurd is itself a defense mechanism.
>>28760228
>There's an elementary humor in calling your friend a faggot
This still doesn't make any sense. How is it funny to call someone a faggot when you know that they know that you don't think they are one?
>I'm speaking untruths right now and it's funny because this is what I'm doing
Right over my head senpai
>>28760333
I don't talk to women like that. But I'll make jokes or characters up for comedic effect, even inoffensive, and they just can't deal with it. They ask me to "be serious" and "stop clowning around". But it's not just if I do it a lot, it's if I do it at all. Women can't stand if you aren't 100% straight with them all the time.
>>28760342
Then, in that case, confidence lies in knowing that they are your best friend
I never referred to self-confidence, actually I never explicitly stated what a person had to be confident in. Only that they had to be confident in something. It is still a test, no matter how you phrase it, because if they fail it they'll flip out over the misunderstanding that they themselves have and reveal their insecurities to you.
>>28760360
I don't know what to say. We are just going to have to agree to disagree because you can't seem to understand the humor. Like you said, right over your head. The fact that you don't see the humor in it is just on you, that's who you are and that's fine.
But to say all absurdity is a defense mechanism is silly. Like I explained in >>28760342
the absurdity is in the silly words, the situation, who is saying what to who, and so on. It is not a "confidence" thing, it is not a defense mechanism, it is a "this is so absurd and ironic that it makes us laugh" situation.
I haven't been attracted to women in years and I'm not sure I could do it anymore. Women's personalities are as disgusting as a cockroach swimming in your soup. Unlovable parasites.
>>28760418
>the absurdity is in the silly words, the situation, who is saying what to who, and so on
And the test is in knowing whether or not the situation and the words actually are silly. Women deal with capriciousness and subversion all the time, not to be stereotypical, so it makes sense, to them, that when a hidden motive or perception reveals itself, that it is to be taken seriously, instead of laughed off based on a previous understanding that may be false.
It's not just women, but other types of people as well.
>>28760270
>I thought the criticism wasn't genuine to begin with? So it was? There actually is a criticism to accept? Get your story straight.
Sometimes it is sometimes it isn't, the point is that whether there is truth to it or not the person making the criticism doesn't care about the truth. They're pointing out a truth but they don't care about the truth.
>Maybe -you- can't. That's not an excuse to actively choose not to.
You're nitpicking so hard, they said simple act of willpower most of the time, they already admitted that some people can do it in some circumstances but for most of the time habits are extremely hard to break.
>The idea that someone may be a faggot or whatever derogatory term you choose to use actually isn't all that absurd.
It's not just about the literal meaning of the insult, it's also absurd to enjoy exchanging 'mean' words with people you care about, it's clearly absurd because you can't understand it.
>>28760418
Basically, what I'm trying to say is, when dealing with people, you can never truly know whether what they say is "absurd", not real, or contradictory to reality, or whether it actually represents reality (or their perception of it). Again, it's a test of your confidence, or your trust, in another individual.
>>28760494
>They're pointing out a truth but they don't care about the truth.
And this is for some reason admirable? I don't understand. Understanding and seeking the truth is the only way you'll truly understand the reality that's been imposed on you.
>they already admitted that some people can do it in some circumstances but for most of the time habits are extremely hard to break.
Which, again, justifies not attempting to break them, or laughing off the fact that they should be breaking them.
>it's also absurd to enjoy exchanging 'mean' words with people you care about
Which requires confidence in the fact that they care about you, which makes it a test of that confidence. There is still no point to it. It's irrational. As you say, it's absurd. Why do you enjoy absurdity?
>>28760548
>And this is for some reason admirable? I don't understand. Understanding and seeking the truth is the only way you'll truly understand the reality that's been imposed on you.
What? have you never been in love? it's a nice feeling to know that people accept your flaws rather than feeling you have to hide them.
>Which, again, justifies not attempting to break them, or laughing off the fact that they should be breaking them.
I really don't get your point but ok.
>Which requires confidence in the fact that they care about you
You don't need confidence to enjoy it, you could think they might not be your best friend and still enjoy the 'contest' part of it and general humor.
>Why do you enjoy absurdity?
Because normality is far more common, it's nice to have a range of experiences in life.
>>28760170
This is why OP finds feminine personalities like yours insufferable, anything you don't understand becomes pointless
>>28760685
fuck man, you're patient
it's like talking to another specie
>>28760719
OP here, I bailed from the thread once it became obvious it would just be debating about that, but thank you for understanding where I come from, you nailed exactly what I find unattractive about women.
>>28760685
>rather than feeling you have to hide them
I never said you had to hide them, I advocate for the idea of changing them instead. Even if people accept your flaws, if they are flaws, and you yourself see them as flaws, then I see no reason to shrug it off and not bother to change them.
>I really don't get your point but ok.
I meant to add a question mark. My point was that defaulting to the idea of casually accepting your own bullshit because you think you can't change it is weakness.
>and still enjoy the 'contest' part of it and general humor.
So it is a contest! So I'm right! My point wasn't that you shouldn't enjoy those kinds of contests, I think they have a place in confirming a strong relationship, my point was only that it is one, and that I don't care for those kinds of contests.
>Because normality is far more common, it's nice to have a range of experiences in life.
But normality is itself absurd and absurdity is itself normal. They're the same thing. There is either everything to laugh at or nothing to laugh at, or both at the same time. Anything else is drawing lines in the sand.
>>28760719
The fundamental nature of absurdity is that it is pointless. What the fuck are you on about? Seems like you're just trying to insert wimmin hate.
>>28759868
>wanting to be with someone who is 'floaty'
Anon I can't sympathize at all. That's one of these things I hate most. Women being able to just ignore shit arbitrarily. There's not being bothered by something or having a good understanding of others and why things turned out as it did. But just allowing yourself to disregard stuff entirely is problematic.
>>28759958
>women don't get banter
Because they're literally low functioning autistics.
>>28760940
If it's a failure to truly acknowledge what's going on around them, I agree. But if they acknowledge it and find a means of escaping it, however self-centered something like that may be, I see it as strength and as something admirable. It certainly isn't altruistic, but I see it as a trollish (not under a bridge troll, but internet troll) kind of pseudo-transcendence.
I can't really put it into words, but just a general lightness in character like that is so enviable. I guess I'm not being completely honest, people who really do feel what's going on around them on a visceral level are attractive too, but either extreme is preferable to braindead acceptance instead of either defiance or concern.
>>28761018
Sounds more like a stereotype about women rather than reality.
>>28761127
When you debate anything about men vs women outside of physical reproductive roles and scientifically established trends, you're always talking in stereotypes. That was pretty implicit m8. I fully acknowledge that not every woman is like this.
>>28759783
There are women who are more like men that most men, and there are men who are more like most women than women.
If you despise woman enough to want to change your sexuality, then you hate them simply because they are women, not because of "specific personality traits". There are women who exist who fit your personality preferences.
>>28759783
This is where I am now OP >>28759997
>>28760882
Had to afk so you're almost certainly gone and i cbf responding to the rest of your post but it's not just a contest there is more to it than just that, that's only one part of the enjoyment but regardless, pretty much everything in life can be simplified to be a contest if you really want.
For the last part about absurdity then why is being absurd a bad thing?
