I'm no socialist, but can somebody explain this mindset to me?
If you aren't earning at least six or seven figures, you are getting fucked by the system alluded to in pic related. Likewise, I feel that the kind of guy who would post a picture like this is either an angsty college student or a 30-something white male making $20-$40k per year, who isn't really successful in the slightest but thinks he'll somebody own a Ferrari and race track because of the American Dream or whatever.
>>28707973
You shouldn't be at all concerned with the mindsets of people who are invested in the election, they're NPCs
>>28707973
If we wanted to live in Europe we would've moved there already.
>>28707973
you're implying that everyone who works for what he wants gets what he wants in the end and isn't fucked over by the bank jews
You faggots here don't actually know what socialism and communism are, right? It just sounds to me that you're confusing these terms with social democracy ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
>>28707973
Most people take image macros, now called "memes" at face value. They're sleek and get the message across and I guess psychologically people just assume it's the truth because a person puts in time thinking of what to write and then creates it. Add to it repetition of seeing it multiple times and on social media people giving their approval by liking it.
But if you look a little deeper, this was most likely written by someone who hasn't achieved very much. Could be propaganda written by someone against Bernie, but it seems like a Channer with that egotistical flair thrown in and pretty good writing skills.
>>28708058
/pol/ posters aren't intelligent.
I could if I would. I assume most of these people who say stupid shit like this assume they are successful or think that they will be in the near future. All the """"""free"""""" market propaganda has certainly helped.
>>28708058
Welcome to America
>>28708088
Mind you, this happens in yuropoor shitholes too.
>>28708058
>ohnoitsretarded.jpg
>>28708164
I bet you think that China is communist too.
>>28707973
20 years of fox news and total amnesia of every single public utilities investment ever.
This mindset really does piss me off too, and I can already anticipate the incoming hate because "muh berniebro le meme your fucking white male" but fuck it.
American individualism has been touted as the ideal for so long that a huge swath of people don't even consider the essential functions of those "handouts" like sewer, gas, and power lines, water piping, road paving, stoplights, firefighters etc. that make civilization possible. And just happen to be paid for by taxes.
It's utterly retarded. Thinking a man can become great without any help by sheer will is like saying a wave can exist without the ocean beneath it.
All the Bernie people are really saying is that our taxes should pay for shit we need and which makes life better, like medicine and education, instead of being siphoned off by the rich in myriad ways.
Bernie is the exact opposite of a liberal and dislikes our meritocracy. Faggots, single mothers, and other degenerates reap what they sow. Government should provide us with basic protections and nothing more. I want firefighters who protect me of fires and police force to serve the public. Libraries are fine. Public education is fine. I'm not okay with my tax dollars going to people who feel entitled for the government to save them for their financial mistakes, even if it fucks over an honest amount of people.
This is the idea of liberalism that I'm talking about.
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Whereas classical liberalism emphasizes the role of liberty, social liberalism stresses the importance of equality.[4] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programs such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, and international cooperation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
>>28708289
>meritocracy
>Modern America
If you're a Republican and you're making less than $60K/YR, then you dumb enough to realize you are being used by the middle/upper class. Most of these people are Southern dipshits.
The mindset behind this is usually:
>"Why the fuck should we make anything easier or progress at all as a society."
>"I had to walk barefoot through six miles of snow every day just to get to school, so every generation afterwards should have to as well."
>"I've been out of touch with the minimum wage section of society for 30 years, but let me tell you how easy it is to live that way."
>"You're working three jobs and still can't afford school/an apartment? Why don't you just work four jobs?"
>"Where are we going to get the money to pay for healthcare/college/higher wages? What's that? Oh, no, we absolutely need the trillions of dollars for the military/Israel."
The only side of conservatism I agree with is (partially) stopping immigrants and shit from entering the country illegally.
>>28707973
Plenty of people would rather succeed or fail on their own merits, rather than have the government take stuff from other people by force to give it to them. Even if the "fail" is the more likely outcome.
The left rages about how the rich didn't earn and don't deserve what they have. But it never seems to cross their mind that if they think that way, they should be just as disgusted at the government giving them something that they didn't earn.
>>28708300
you're not*
piss off, robot
>>28708289
Is healthcare not a basic protection? Literally what proposals are you talking about for "saving people"?
>>28707973
I think 20-40k sounds a bit too high.
I would assume the creator is high in student debts and has people spending more money on keeping them alive than they do on themself, like living in their parents place.
It's got a nice tinge of trying to provoke but it really only pokes at people that really have experience or reasonable connections in participating in what they allude to. Which the majority of people don't.
God damn I feel bad for this poor sonnuvabitch all that money on college and he makes this shitty graphic for a living. He's probably going to vote for someone else too other than who he was paid to make this image for.
>>28708315
It's not that the rich don't didn't earn or don't deserve to earn their money, but that in many cases that money would not exist without the rest of society.
More often than not, the money accrued by the upper classes which gets spirited away offshore, is not efficiently utilized. It does not trickle down, or create jobs. It is a sequestering of wealth, akin to fossil fuels being sequestered CO2, vast sums of money get taken out of the system by these individuals.
Letting it go on unchecked would be madness.
The idea that people fail or succeed on their own merits is ridiculously simplistic. There are so many variables at play in someone's life that changes the whole game. Whatever the reality is, human beings need a shelter over their head, access to clean water and healthy food and it should be a social obligation to ensure that the worst off have access to these things, social welfare is not optional in modern society.
>>28708315
I didn't earn the highway, the respect and admiration of local firefighters or law enforcement, blah blah fucking blah, but I get all of that for free anyway.
But subsidized education? Nah, bro, you should go $50k in the hole for that.
I just don't get it anon
>>28708515
Yeah, now you're gettin' it. Break your arm and can't afford insurance? Sorry, we have brown people that need bombing, so we're going to build a brand new drone instead
>>28708515
>but muh roads
why is it always roads
>competition is a virtue
Worst western meme, makes life uncomfy.
>>28707973
I thought OP image was talking about Trump supporters, afraid of capitalist competition from foreigners.
Only dumb wagecucks support trump. Just wait until he gets rid of the minimum wage. They'll be on here crying bloody murder before they suicide.
>>28708579
Because most people, in most western countries, are within 100 metres of a road that they use on a daily basis.
Plus roads are shitty things to build properly and maintain. The sooner we get hover cars the better.
>>28708579
Gee, what a great use of human energy. Banding together a community - especially a small, impoverished one - to build a road or train tracks is such a great and productive task. It builds character.
That's right, my friend. Building roads is a task which has historically been left up to random, unskilled, and untrained individuals from the times of Egypt and Rome until modernity. Surely conveniences and marvels such as America's interstate system could be replicated by ordinary people donating their free time, or paying directly to a corporation, to build big roads. It would be a fantastic and organized and quality marvel.
>>28708579
Because it's a good example of externalities you fucking retard
Did you fail high school economics?
>>28708593
Competition is the only thing that motivates people, companies, and states to improve themselves and become more efficient and effective at what they do. If a company has no competition, does it try to offer new and better products or reduce its prices? Of course not, they just sit back, don't do anything, and rake in the money, because their customers have no choice, and they'd rather get paid for not doing anything. If a worker knows he can't be fired and nobody else can take his job, does he try to do the best job he can, and look for ways to accomplish tasks more efficiently? Of course not. He shows up (maybe), sits around reading the paper, collects his paycheck and goes home.
Market competition works. It's the driving force behind evolution. It's responsible for literally all of the progress we've made as a species.
>>28708579
>taking jobs away from construction workers to get people to build something that you'll drive on for free once you leave your own hometown
>>28708595
>free trade
>fair trade
pick 1 and only 1
>>28708018
made my sides great again / 10
1000 hours in meme generator
>>28708579
>who will build the roads if there is no government?
the same people who always build them, the workers
>>28708579
Because we need roads, retard.
And in response to the pic, the roads that 300 mil. people would build would be an incoherent uncoordinated heap of shit.
>muh cellphones
....which require cell towers and organized networks.
I always find the invention argument really funny. The Soviet Union had a lot of great inventions. Were they better than America's? Maybe not, but they were certainly innovative. If they hadn't been making inventions would a 50 year long cold war been possible?
Pic related, Soviet computer from the 50s.
>>28708846
If there was no FCC to regulate them how well do you think they would work?
capitalism is incompatible with reality anyway
theoretically, it's built on a model that requires infinite economic growth, which is just unrealistic
>>28708579
because you're not arguing with a person, you're arguing with an enormous memetic complex that happens to inhabit people
if it could live without them, it would just kill them off, so take comfort in that
I'm not a socialist fag, but honestly, most of the "hard working" 1% are the recipients of hand-me-down wealth from their father, or father's father, etc.
People who rise from the poor to become the "elite" are so fucking rare it's stupid, no matter how hard they work.
>>28708264
Stop making men of straw.
If you think you would enjoy life in China over life in the western world then there is no hope for you.
>>28708704
Just because you're a lazy piece of shit doesn't mean literally no one else would ever be inspired to make something of themselves.
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issued by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.
After work, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building fire codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.
I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on 4chan and Breitbart.com about how SOCIALISM is BAD because the government can't do anything right.
>>28708058
classical liberal here
syndicalism (aka socialism) is superior to social democracy (aka left wing cryptofascism) because in syndicalism association and the departure from private property is voluntary, much like the voluntary associations of free market capitalism, except in the form of worker cooperatives rather than corporations.
communism in theory is communal syndicalism, but in practice (the ussr) devolved into leftist cryptofascism thanks to fucking lenin and stalin abandoning the program to consolidate power while retaining the name.
socialism / syndicalism can still be observed in practice among certain groups in the middle east (particularly syrian kurds), among other places. but it requires a cultural commitment to the ideal.
>>28708266
>Free education and Healthcare
Who pays for it?
>You do
I have some free beachfront property for you if you're interested. Just pay me 10x the total value over the course of your lifetime. Others will be allowed on your beach as well but sharing is caring right?
>>28708901
fucking amazing pasta desu
>>28708901
Perfection. 10/10
>>28708901
Fucking thank you nigga
>>28708901
>implying this is socialism
>implying bernie's libfags want to use tax money for anything but feeding Tyrone or providing housing for Juan and his 17 children
>>28708901
You can't really be trying to equate handouts to necessary infrastructure.
>>28708979
one of bernie's main policies is public education lol
>>28708478
Only the richest of the rich are fucking "the rest of society." Even the rich are getting fucked by the richest.
And as a result, the common rich and the poor are getting scapegoated by the respective parties, when neither are the culprits.
Demonization of the "common" rich and advocating stealing their wealth to benefit the poor is retarded. Fuck the top 0.01% though.
>>28708979
>"socialism is anything I don't like!"
No, I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way. Would you like to try again?
>>28708979
>>28709006
Shame that it's already too late for this poor faggot
>>28709006
>public education
>primarily postsecondary education
>muh free college!
Sad that you don't see a problem with this.
>>28708711
Free trade.
Where there's a will, there's a way.
>>28709006
>3,000 in total tuition
>"Free college for everyone! Feel the bern!!"
>>28709035
bachelor degrees are worthless, college is absolutely necessary
You're right OP
People have very fragile identified
They need something to cling their shaky egos to
In this case, it's american nationalism
And american nationalism promises wealth so long as you play the game, follow the rules, and protect the state
But it's merely a ruse
Read Stirner and Zizek, OP
>>28708704
Positive things and what you would define as progress happens without competition as a driving force, don't be a meme.
>>28708861
They jacked German brainpower after the war, and usually made copycat technologies derived from American, German, and British innovations.
>>28709006
We spend huge amounts of money on education already. Look what we have to show for it. Why should we be spending even more?
>>28708300
>making less than $60k/year
Jesus, you people must be useless
>>28707973
Fiscal conservatism will be eradicated when automation destroys literally every blue collar job and like 25-40% of office jobs. Then every uppity republican will be reduced the level of the common negroid.
ITT NEET leeches and students in massive debt
>>28709080
lol you realize this graph means nothing without context. it scales percent change in spending, but doesn't show how much is actually spent. if you couldn't comprehend that, i guess we should spend more money, shouldn't we?
>>28709055
What the fuck am I reading?
>college is worthless
>college is absolutely necessary
>>28709101
I'm a republican, and one of the guys doing the automating
>>28709120
its obvious, you need more than a bachelors degree, but you can't get more unless you go through undergrad
sorry you're too retarded to make your own conclusions that you need everything spelled out
>>28709120
He's saying they're worthless in comparison to the past. They're the equivalent of a high school degree now due to the economic factors at play.
Also, socialism is just worker controlled factories.
Socialists generally like the redistribution of wealth, but it's no necessary for socialism
>>28709133
Aren't you the retard for being a Bernie fan here? He's only advocating that the first four years of college be free (i.e. enough for a Bachelor's degree). He's not proposing any additional aid for postgraduate study.
>>28709115
So what? it still shows that spending in inflation-adjusted dollars has more than doubled, and we haven't gotten better educational outcomes for all that extra money. So why shouldn't we cut education budgets in half, if kids would get the same education out of it?
>>28709155
that's exactly what i was saying, you fucking moron
that's why i explicitly stated the worthlessness of bachelors
christ, you should stop
>tfw work 7 days 12hrs a week getting paid 30 bucks an hour
>Only really work 3~5 months depending on my mood
>live in an RV and travel
>make sure to get an "lay off" slip to get on unemployment for 7 or so months
>Living the dream
Use the system robots. Follow your dreams.
>>28708300
Minimum wage is just that, minimum. It's not supposed to support a family. At full time working minimum wage, you can survive. If you want to do more than just survive, don't work a minimum wage job or don't quit/get fired and try to move up the ladder.
>>28709159
that means nothing, if you spend $50 on rent and then 40 years later you spend $110, that's a 120% increase, but you'd hardly say you spend a lot on rent, now you would you? context, brother, give me the whole graph or you're not allowed to use that argument
>>28709172
What do you do for your job? How do you find the next gig?
>>28709077
the west didn't do the same thing? Operation Paperclip was much larger than anything equivalent in the soviet union
>>28709189
Your spitting ideology
The power of choice isn't in the worker, but the employer, and it's in the employers best interest to pay their employees the least they can.
>>28709221
Some, particularly our rocket scientists. Others came to get away from wartime European turbulence though (Von Neumann, Einstein), and we had a lot of homegrown/immigrant talent as well (Oppenheimer).
>>28709199
>It's okay to waste taxpayer money. It's just a drop in the bucket, we don't have to use it responsibly or anything! There's plenty more where that came from!
holy fuck how can you be this retarded?
>>28707973
Trump wants to cut taxes for everyone. If you work for your money, you will prosper under Trump.
Bernie wants to raise taxes for everyone. If you live off neetbux you will prosper under Bernie. Otherwise, if you do work for your money you may struggle as a result of your employer being forced to cut your pay in addition to having to pay more money that you're not going to make in tax.
But at least Enrique will be able to afford your house once you're facing foreclosure.
>>28709189
The problem is that wages haven't kept up with productivity since the 70s.
So with inflation, everyone's working much harder for even less money.
>>28709285
Because technological advances mean that less and less labor is needed to produce a given amount of output. Less of it being needed puts downward pressure on its price, the same as any other commodity.
>>28709280
>Trump wants to cut taxes for everyone. If you work for your money, you will prosper under Trump.
>be average Merrycunt
>make $20 per hour
>make $40k per year
>LE TRUMP TAX BREAK
>you now pay $3k less per year in taxes
>be fatcat Merrycunt
>make $100000000000000000000 per hour
>LE TRUMP TAX BREAK
>you now pay nothing in taxes
>>28709217
I first was an open shop apprentice Electrician for a couple of years until I got my license. Heard of the Union and joined proving my skill/competence. I make sure to only put my name on the book for out of state work . Especially those that work 12hrs a day 7 days a week.
If I'm just at home I'll just let the Union hall find me work and I just get an unemployment Check. Depending on the state I was laid off from I get 400~800 dollars a week of unemployment.
>>28709080
University tuition is underwritten by the government. There's no real price-finding mechanism in place to properly value the cost of a degree as a consumer commodity, so the value was chosen to accommodate whatever the universities decided they wanted.
As a result, US student debt default is an unsustainable time-bomb waiting to blow and universities and colleges are grossly over-funded, inefficient blobs, fueled largely by vanity at this stage.
European universities offer a much more cost-effective solution to higher education.
>>28709277
i think you're retarded for not being able to understand how to interpret data. let me spell it out for you, kiddo
lets say they were spending 5 million on education. according the graph, we should be spending 12.5 million at max on education. if you continue to claim that the educational infrastructure hasn't improved, then there are two conclusions you could make:
1) pouring money into education doesn't work
2) not enough money has been spent
however, you can't come to any conclusion because there's no data that shows actually how much is spent. if fucking $5 were spent in the 70s, we'd still be be spending less than $20 on education. the graph doesn't tell us jack shit by itself, so don't make any further conclusions, you mongoloid.
>>28708911
Why do retards ALWAYS think that people don't understand what "free" means in the context of free healthcare and education?
>>28709101
tfw I'm an industrial electrician
>>28709222
Its no one's fault you aren't worth more man. Get a fucking trade or work for minimum wage which is what a teenager should be making.
>>28709285
More like people are buying more than they can afford and living larger than they are.You don't need the fastest internet Jamal to google shit!
Why do all these people who are so keen on reducing the tax burden always the people who are in favor of giving the rich so many tax breaks? Corporate America is doing exceedingly well right now, like never before. CEOs are getting enormous bonuses and stashing their gains in offshore havens so they don't have to give anything back. These same companies get huge subsidies. Our military costs more than the next ten countries combined and our biggest enemies are people literally living in caves.
Why is it always the programs that favor the poor (that are just a sliver of the budget compared to what I just mentioned) that are targeted? Someone please answer this.
>>28709222
The employer has to stay above water just like everybody else. I get taxed on the money I make and then taxed again when I pay my employees. Then I have to pay for the building lease, equipment leases, inventory, advertisement, the electric bill, gas, building renovations, etc.
Aside from the extremely large corporations, business owners try to pay their employees fairly. The large corporations won't go under water under the tax plans of a socialist but the every-man's business will suffer and as a result, prices will go up and wages will go down.
>>28709083
That only means that rich people are overpaid.
>>28708478
Do the really super rich we're talking like bill gates or communication moguls hide their stuff offshores?
If I were going to look at forbes richest people most of them probably throw that money into something like stocks. Which really doesn't trickle down, sucks more up top and only feeds a few at the bottom as long as it keeps funneling upward. Which obviously it needs to funnel in but the extent it trickles down is what I'm curious about. Super mega rich have so much at their disposal they can just throw that money back into investments like stocks instead of hiding it while getting a potentially larger return.
>>28709385
Because the poor aren't contributing to society like the rich are, even with the enormous bonuses and hoarding.
>>28709316
And now the fat merrycunt can put Enrique to work instead of having the government force me to feed him.
>>28708563
>implying more arms wouldn't be broken or worse if those bombs and drones and other unsavor things of war were not invested in.
How close do you live to the border of Mexico?
When is the last time you took a vacation down there?
>>28708579
If you don't realize how important roads are you'd never make it very far in a libertarian world let alone an anarchist one.
>>28709403
>The large corporations won't go under water under the tax plans of a socialist but the every-man's business will suffer and as a result, prices will go up and wages will go down.
See >>28709145
>>28709385
There's a big bubble in the bay that's been expanding for years. Hold on to your butts, it's 1999 all over again right now.
>>28709370
>More like people are buying more than they can afford and living larger than they are.
This is strongly encouraged by the economy which almost entirely runs on credit rather than just money now, pretty much forcing people to live outside their means with the idea that they'll "pay it back later" when they hit it big, because who doesn't hit the jackpot in America right?
Sure, we could go the third world route and all buy beater cars and live in boxes, but last time I checked, we're not a third world nation.
It's all a bullshit middleman that started in the 80s when the banks became the backbone of our entire economy with loans, interest rates, payment plans, and of course debt.
>>28709341
Because the absolute amounts don't fucking matter no matter how much you say they do. If we spent five (inflation-adjusted, remember) dollars in the 70s and now spend $20, and educational outcomes haven't changed, that does not support the hypothesis that spending more money is improving education. And as if it even needs to be said, the goal here is to improve educational outcomes. So sure, lets keep spending more and more money because sooner or later its bound to do something, right? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
>>28709351
Because if you ask 90% of Bernie supporters they will tell you that they have no idea how any of this actually works. The most intelligible response you'll get from them is probably "gibbsmedat" followed by "FEED TYRONE HE A GOOD BOY"
>>28707973
Those are Trump voters.
>>28709131
The exception that proves the rule. You're like liberals who argue one nigger who can read proves blacks are equal to whites
>>28709369
You're job is next See in the projects in like 8 years
>>28709429
But they aren't. They're sending jobs overseas. They're not paying their taxes.
And as you may recall, the biggest banks (the backbone of our economy) had a tiny little issue back in 2008. One that we're still not recovered from.
So no, the majority of the richest Americans in this country are not workers and do no labor. They are owners. They are justified only because they "own" said company or said shares.
>>28709412
The way that the rich operate is that they will use creative accounting to create a trust or charity (so as to become tax free) and a shell company in a banana republic (I.e. Panama) that oversees their financial investments. What they will then do is pay money into their trust or charity, invest in their shell company, and use the shell company to play the international stock market.
Because all of their profits and dividends paid are made out of the country, and they own very little liquid assets in their home country, then they pay next to nothing in tax. Profits are paid back to the trust and they might receive a wage from this trust as an executor or something. This is how the rich have their cake and eat it too.
>>28709385
>the "look at how much the CEO makes" meme
That's because the CEO makes very important decisions to keep the company afloat and thriving. They are not expendable like the common laborer.
>>28709385
Well one, because about half the country already pays no taxes at all. Two, taxation is theft. We tolerate it as a society because we know of no other way to provide public goods, but it's still using the threat of force to take things from people, and we should have as little of it as we possibly can.
>but it's for a good cause! They don't need it, and it'd help the disadvantaged!
If you steal food from a supermarket and give it to the homeless, you've still committed a (legal and moral) crime, despite the fact that you helped the disadvantaged.
>>28709515
>can't back up his argument
>>black joke
>>28709567
Ann Rand please go
>>28709501
>that does not support the hypothesis that spending more money is improving education
read my hypothetical conclusions, bruh. you still look like an idiot lol without the data, you can't make any conclusions, QED you're talking out of your ass.
btw i have not said whether i support more money into education, just pointing out how stupid trying to use that graph is.
>>28709515
I'm cynical about the welfare state, but there are losers in a free market system that ought to be looked out for - and that loser has no color, if there's any takeaway from the amount of white working class people collecting welfare in the Rust Belt among other places.
Whether there's a way to reform the welfare system to dissuade single mothers from leeching off of it and creating multigenerational idleness, however, is absolutely worth exploring.
>>28709557
You are not entitled to a job.
The shit that trump says is basically gibsmedat for white people.
>>28709567
I don't get why anyone cares what CEOs make unless they're shareholders in the company that CEO is managing.
>>28708058
except sanders is not a social democrat, he's a democratic socialist. these two phrases do not mean the same thing.
>>28709469
>Socialists generally like the redistribution of wealth but it's not necessary
Correct but this is what "socialists" in the United States support. This is not a matter of technicalities. The majority of the youth in the United States no longer support capitalism and their idea of socialism is very from the moderate and technical version, which you and others in this thread may subscribe to.
>>28709571
>If you steal food from a supermarket and give it to the homeless, you've still committed a (legal and moral) crime, despite the fact that you helped the disadvantaged.
>using christcuck ethics as an example
Bad example to use. America throws way like 40% of the food we produce not to mention our sky high obesity rate. Refusing to feed homeless people food you either shouldn't or won't eat is disgusting
>>28709407
$80k is the average annual income in the United States before taxes.
>>28709567
>expendable
People aren't expendable, you fucking dick. They have lives, futures, families, and mouths to feed at home.
Furthermore, CEOs ARE NEVER held responsible for anything, up to and including poisoning the Gulf of Mexico and crippling the entire country's economy. And you fucking know this.
>>28709598
>>Whether there's a way to reform the welfare system to dissuade single mothers from leeching off of it and creating multigenerational idleness, however, is absolutely worth exploring.
The fundamental problem is that the only way to achieve that is to let some percentage of the people fail. Deliberately. You have to have some boundary line where you write people off and say "This one will never make anything of himself no matter how much we give him, we're cutting our losses and letting him starve". If you're unwilling to ever do that, and most proponents of a strong safety net seem horrified at the very idea, people will realize it and leech forever. They won't bother trying to not fail because they know there are no consequences for failure - someone else will always be there to provide for them.
>>28709495
But should we be held accountable for those overspending in an attempt to live outside of their means? Why does the burden fall on the taxpayer to support those who have made poor financial decisions?
>>28709668
>CEOs ARE NEVER held responsible for anything
Except facing criminal fucking charges, answering to shareholders, paying fines out the ass, paying severance packages to the people affected, carrying out damage control, things like that.
When something happens, the responsibility falls pretty much solely on the CEO.
>>28709578
It's not a joke it's the truth. Have you watched any of the Democratic debates? It's like the Battle of Bull Prep. They just go back and forth talking about which one is going to make sure Tyrone is living as comfortably as he possibly can. Just droning on. "Oh the poor minorities i'll give them the world," and then the other pledges them the Universe and so and so forth.
>>28709733
The only reason this has ever happened was in order to maintain economic growth. Most people born after the early 80s have been entirely indoctrinated into thinking this is acceptable.
Currently the western world consumes 2/3rds of the world's resources. We consume them with money we didn't earn, for no reason aside from because we can.
If we let this system fail, then the entire economy collapses with it, because all of our growth is tied to exponential consumption.
>>28709797
>It's like the Battle of Bull Prep. They just go back and forth talking about which one is going to make sure Tyrone is living as comfortably as he possibly can
>Democrats are cuckolds
>Republicans think a billionaire who hires illegal immigrants and changes his opinion every 5 minutes cares about them
>>28709501
>Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
LOL sounds like a ledditor
insanity is when you fling your shit on the wall because your tulpa said it was cool, but sure i guess rolling a die and expecting to get different results makes me insane, right?
>>28709739
This is what a lot of people believe but it's almost completely false. Corporations and CEOs get little more than a slap on the wrist in most cases. In the event of environmental destruction such as dumping in lakes, corporations will voluntarily take the hit as long as they end up being profitable afterwards.
You can count the number of people given criminal charges for the 2008 collapse on one finger, and the guy was more of a scapegoat than anything. The banks got a fucking bailout. On your dollar.
Please stop beveling this shit for the sake of the future of this country.
>>28709668
Not expendable as people, expendable as employees. If you lose ten there will be one hundred more lined up to take their place who can do the job just as good or better.
>>28709839
Who "cares" about me does not concern me. What does concern me is who will try to keep minorities and Muslims out of the country so we don't end up as the United States of Amerikistan or the US of Mehico.
>mfw people think socialism is "people who don't work making money by ripping off the people who do work"
>mfw that's the definition of capitalism
>>28707973
>can somebody explain this mindset to me?
"I started out with a small loan of a million dollars"
>>28710063
>mfw people still don't understand that capital exploits labor for profit
>>28710063
There is no inherent value in labor. Not financial and not moral. It's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, like everything else.
>>28710063
How does this apply to capitalism?
Legitimately curious
>>28710022
>What does concern me is who will try to keep minorities and Muslims out of the country so we don't end up as the United States of Amerikistan or the US of Mehico.
Yeah a billionaire who admits he prefers to hire illegal immigrants will do that. And of course Trump will somehow manage to send blacks back to Africa. Do you know how long it tales to get citizenship in Nigeria? 15 years
>>28710093
>mfw people still don't understand that a mutually consensual agreement between two or more parties is in no way exploitative
>>28710212
>consensual
>>28710260
because no employee can ever look for a different job. No employer will ever give them a better deal, they only have one possible choice of where to work.
>>28710090
He turned 1 million into about 5 billion.
That would be the equivalent of you turning $10,000 into 50 million, at which point you would view $10,000 as extremely small in comparison to the 50 million you turned it into.
>>28710284
What a dumbass. He could just walk across the street and find another business that won't exploit its worker's labor for profit.
>>28710284
>unless everybody has similar standards your views on what's acceptable treatment don't matter
nice individualism lol
>>28710136
The wall will make it a lot harder for Juan and his 35 children, brothers, sisters, and 7 grandmother's to get here.
A "temporary" ban on Muslim immigration will keep other browns out.
And blacks are only 13% of the US population and the vast majority of them live in the bible belt or the slums. They keep their own population in check through murder and drug use.
>>28710359
>>28710297
Accidental namefagging
>>28710284
>be an employee (exploited) here, or be an employee (exploited) there. See? Free choice!
simply epic
>>28710284
>they only have one possible choice of where to work.
Most people, unless they have a large social network of powerful friends, will have limited employment options.
>>28710297
He actually ended up making less money than he should have. His fortune would've been like 8 billion if he had just sat on his ass and let it collect interest
>>28708775
heres ur you my feline friend
>>28708300
>>28709083
>>28709189
>$7.25(minimum wage for ) * 40hours * 50weeks = 14900
atm I'm making 14000, live by myself near my work and am swimming in savings, wtf is wrong with everyone?
It doesn't take a genius to not have kids, it doesn't take a robot to not blow $500 on a night out.
Every single person I know who complains about having no money spends it needlessly.
I have yet to meet someone who genuinely has to work more than one job.
>>28709385
They're brain dead, the guys at the top make money because they "deserve" to. It's just a cop out for thinking based on some sick just-world mindset.
>>28710530
>implying minimum wage workers get even close to 40 hours a week consistently
that alone should be enough to diagnose you as literally retarded, but,
>calculating all of this before taxes
you're NEET aren't you? You've never had a job have you?
>>28710530
>Every single person I know who complains about having no money spends it needlessly.
I've met people with six-figure incomes that live paycheck-to-paycheck because they can't keep a buck in their pockets. Fancy house, new cars, $250/month phone plan with a new iphone for everyone each year. If they just lived a bit more modestly they'd retire by 50 as millionaires, instead they're in debt up to their eyeballs because the stuff they have is never enough.
>>28709571
>because about half the country already pays no taxes at all
Because they're too fucking poor. Why should the tax burden. There's no money there, for one, and secondly the individuals who are doing well should be obligated to give back to the nation that provided them the opportunity to live the way they have.
>Two, taxation is theft.
No, they're actually two entirely different and separate concepts.
Shoplifting is theft. Stealing someone's phone is theft. Taxation is not. Did you learn about taxes in grade school at all? Maybe you can review. :)
>>28710530
1.Minimum Wage Workers NEVER Get 40 Hours A Week
2.$15000 is not enough to live on. You need more like $40,000-$60,000 to support yourself
>>28710638
I don't really feel too badly about these types of people because, in that income bracket, you are obviously college educated, and you still buy into the faux-luxurious lifestyle trap of consumption. People with the ability to make six figures should definitely know better and that is a case of personal responsibility.
>>28710661
I made 12,000 last year and I'm doing fine.
>>28707973
Because within a century automation will replace 90% of jobs. With nowhere near enough work to go around, we'll need to come up with some alternative to modern capitalism
>inb4 death camps
>>28709133
>its obvious
>you need more than a bachelors degree
The answer isn't to flood the marketplace with people that have bachelor's degrees. Your solution to bachelor's degrees becoming worthless is to devalue them even further so even more people have the potential to attend postgraduate studies, therefor making post-grad degrees the new old bachelor's? That's just kicking the can down the road.
Surely you see the problem with this?
>>28710738
>tfw the ruling classwho are currently cucking 90% of the users of this websitewould rather see the end of humanity than the end of capitalism
>we will all know that feel soon
>>28710626
>calculating all of this before taxes
I forgot you live in a shithole country, I don't earn over 650 a week and thus don't pay taxes because my country works, must have slipped my mind
>implying minimum wage workers get even close to 40 hours a week consistently
I am implying that, mcjob easily gives out 40-45 to anyone who wants it.
>>28710661
>1
see above, plenty of workplaces give 40 hours if you ask, I've never had a job that wouldn't
>2
umm I live on it? why are you trying to tell me I'm not living?
I would be swimming in it if I earned 40k for only full time.
Are you unable to spend less than $50 a week on food?
Do you leave your lights and computer on so your electricity is more than 250?
Do you take showers longer than 3 minutes so your water bill it high?
Where is all of that 40k going? I'd really like to know
>>28710643
^meant to say
>Why should the tax burden fall on those with the least? The people in that bracket are at or below poverty level and taxing even excess income damages any chance at social mobility. If you want a smart idea, bring back the inheritance tax - a tax that is guaranteed not to be leaving anyone on the street.
>>28710692
Most of those don't live in small southern towns. Living in a civilized society is expensive.
>>28710738
Republicans will fight till the bitter end against anything other than capitalism. They still let corporations do dumb shit like data caps
>>28710873
>civilized society
You take yourself way too seriously.
>>28710873
>libcuck irrationally hates southerners
Now I've seen everything.
>>28710834
>the ruling classwho are currently cucking 90% of the users of this website
90% of the users of this website live in first-world countries, and they have a roof over their heads, food on the table, and (obviously) internet access. There's a few billion people in the world without that. We're the 1%.
>>28708675
you dont know what an externality is lol.
>>28710999
>There's a few billion people in the world without that.
Internet access is pretty strong for everyone but sub saharan africans. I live in a rural area and the internet here is shitty and expensive. Despite this, I need it because it's the only way I can make money.
>>28710999
The fact that others have it worse than us does not negate the fact that the vast majority of the US is exploited by the ruling class.
We also lack a lot of fundamentals of a first world nation or affordable access of (college, health care, quality journalism, lack of government surveillance)
>>28708478
You're so wrong, on so many mother fucking levels that it makes my blood boils. It's like you've never opened a economics book in your fucking life. Not even Engels and Marx were these delusional, even they understood that the rich, or better, the not miserable, used the surplus money to start business, their concern is that they thought they could eliminate profit and make everything cheaper.
Even your dreaded stocks helps on creating job in one way or another. Most fortunes in the world are not calculated by idly sitting money on the back, but rather in assets. The money does not and will not trickle down. Stop strawmaning. Wealth created wealth, which in turn creates more jobs. No, McSlave does not deserve more money just because his boss earn many times more than him, that's not how value work.
And finally, 80% of the Forbes list top 100 were not there 10 years later. Wealth is dynamic.
>>28710999
>it could be worse!!!
epic
>>28711072
it always boils down to "I deserve these things! How dare other people not provide them for me!", doesn't it
>>28711082
I have fresh, drinkable water only meters away from my comfy af bed, with access to a plethora of information via the internet and the ability to have food literally delivered to my door.
You talk about lacking fundamentals but living in a first world country, not 500 years ago, not 100 years ago, but right now is the best thing that could possibly happen to you.
We have a collection of safety nets for people who can't find work or can't afford to eat.
>quality journalism
holy shit you're entitled, listen, all you have to do is put food into your mouth, chew, and swallow. that's it.
restaurants give you water for FREE so all you have to do is find a means of acquiring food, why the fuck are you on about 'quality journalism'?
Life is so simple and all you're trying to do is redefine what is means to live, quality journalism being a fundamental has to be the most pretentious thing I've read
>>28711270
this post is a great example of how seemingly normal people will become fascists when SHTF
>>28711322
>reminds you of the shit you probably have
>t-that doesn't count, fascist!
baka, count your blessings f.a.m
>>28711160
>it always boils down to "I deserve these things! How dare other people not provide them for me!", doesn't it
I deserve access to the internet without being financially sodomized, especially given that it's essential to everything in life. Try getting a job without the internet involved in some way. It's literally impossible. To get a job you need internet, a smartphone, connections, etc. The internet is a necessity. Anyone under 30 can see that
>>28711270
>right now is the best thing that could possibly happen to you
false. Common ownership over the means of production is the best thing that could happen to me right now.
Capitalism creates unemployment and want for food.
The last part of this post is what inspired my comment. Clear and unbiased journalism is ABSOLUTELY prerequisite for any form of democracy (I mean democracy literally can not, under any circumstances, ever, exist, without freedom of the press). You rightists go on and fucking on about freedom of speech when nazis are concerned but when free press is being threatened right now you turn to tired memes about how worse it could be because suppression of freedom of speech is currently in favor of your golden boy.
put simplyread zizekthe commodities I have access to don't change my relation to the means of production, and I don't cease to be exploited simply because I have internet access
>>28711518
>I deserve access to the internet without being financially sodomized
You already do, it's called the public library, it's where many homeless people apply for jobs.
There are also government institutions that help you find work, they use the internet for you.
Anything else?
>>28711727
>it's called the public library, it's where many homeless people apply for jobs.
Let me explain this in a way anyone can understand: I cannot find work offline. As in no job I've applied to will hire me. I am only able to get money through the internet. Most of the websites I work for give me shit pay well below minimum wage but I have no other option. Hence internet access is a necessity
>>28711791
So go to the library and use the internet. Or ask a neighbor to use his. You could ask a friend, but if you're this entitled I doubt you have one.
>>28711657
>You rightists
I'm not right wing, good try though
>Clear and unbiased journalism is ABSOLUTELY prerequisite for any form of democracy
GRAB FOOD AND PUT IT INTO YOUR MOUTH, THAT'S LITERALLY ALL YOU HAVE TO DO.
>when free press is being threatened right now
Link?
Also, that's not exactly stopping me from drinking fresh water from my tap, is it? I wouldn't even have running water 500 years ago.
But here you are thinking that free press is the most important thing, your life has been catered for down to you having a clean hole you can defecate in that transports the unwanted filth away from you.
You're living better than the kings of 1100ad but you really don't care.
>Common ownership over the means of production is the best thing that could happen to me right now.
The power of invisibility is the best thing that could happen to me right now, but I'd never try to make that a point of argument because I'm not an entitled degenerate.
>>28709797
>It's like the Battle of Bull Prep
My side have been annihilated
>>28711791
>I am only able to get money through the internet
Why is that? and what makes you think that you're not a fringe case that should be taken into account when discussing the fundamentals of the general population?
>board of depressed, asocial NEETs
>full of socialists
You have this idea that the government will just neatly distribute handouts to everyone. But do you think that who gets the top surgeon and who gets the brand new surgeon at a socialist hospital is decided by a coin toss?
Under every socialist economy, thrives a black market, as well as a web of nepotism and political patronage. If you can't skillfully navigate your way around either of those, you will get the worst healthcare, the worst food and the worst accommodation. If they're scarce - you won't get them at all.
It's more competitive than capitalism, with less reward and higher risk. Chad will do fine. His parents will get him a cushy, bureaucrat position and others will line up to serve him, hoping for his patronage. But if you're scraping the bottom of capitalist society, you probably won't survive under socialism.
>>28709653
And the median annual income is the United States is $20k less than that
It helps when there are a few outliers on the high end driving the average up. $20m/yr is not a typical income
>>28712229
>20k a year is not the medium income
Yes it is, that's what medium means. Medium is not average when it comes to economics.
>>28712309
Are you seriously so fucking retarded that you confused median for medium?
Not only did I never say that $20k is the "medium" income, I differentiated average from MEDIAN. And average is much higher because there is no limit on the higher end. Someone making $10k/yr doesn't have the same effect on the AVERAGE income than someone making $20m/year. Median is a better indicator of typical income
http://www.purplemath.com/modules/meanmode.htm
There, maybe learning some basic statistics will help you. Maybe look up reading comprehension too if you're able.
>>28712178
>But do you think that who gets the top surgeon and who gets the brand new surgeon at a socialist hospital is decided by a coin toss?
it's decided by who's the most attractive and who's friends with who
Also you think most of us are socialists? r9k is strongly conservative. Try to go a day without seeing at least 20 nigger threads. It's impossible
>>28711938
I'm not a fringe case because there are tons of people who can only find work via the internet. Content mills are hiring all the time because they pay shit. I've been looking for a job for more than a year with no success
>>28712474
>there are tons of people who can only find work via the internet
Still haven't answered me about why you can't physically apply for jobs.
>I've been looking for a job for more than a year with no success
even mcjobs turned you down? all fast food? all gas stations?
>>28712384
Well, my bad then, English is not my first language. But my point still stands (new with accurate English), the median income is more than 20k indeed from the last year I could found (2011).
You just taught me what median means. It's above 20k. Not the average, the median.
>>28712556
I applied for literally every IRL job in town. Zero results. Only money coming in is from the content mills I write for
>>28712712
Are there criminal records or disabilities that would stop you from getting hired?
I don't know a single person irl who couldn't find a minimum wage job, there was one but that was because he didn't google how to write a good resume
>>28712760
What he says is perfectly possible if he lives in a place with high minimum wage. Youth (<22) unemployment is close or more to 50% in a lot of European countries (Portugal, Spain and Greece for example. And is close to that in America among a blacks and Hispanics as well.
>>28707973
the person most likely to post this picture is indeed the college student who thinks he's going places or the typical "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" who thinks he can still make it.
i can't say i've never had this mindset because i did after reading a few ayn rand "stories" and being in college, but it faded fast.
>>28712760
should it really be the case that having a criminal record/disabilities/a poorly written resume should keep one from shitty minimum wage jobs? i would somewhat understand it keeping you from good jobs with good benefits/career paths, but minimum wage jobs? really?
>>28708901
This morning, I awoke by the sunlight which is free. I then turned on my computer I paid an extra 20% tax on powered by electricity provided by nuclear power plants leftist voters want closed.
No need to check the news or go outside. There is no job anyway. No manager will take the risk to hire someone given the strong worker unions in place, so it looks like it's another day in the house for me. Our socialist government has made sure unemployment is at a historical high.
I log onto 4chan to speak a foreign language, as decades of socialism made sure my country was far behind the United States when it comes to cultural domination, every innovator taking a plane ticket to leave my country and join America. In this forum mostly populated by anons who have never experienced socialism, I read a topic making fun of those against socialism.
I could try to mention they live in a place filled with economic opportunities, but being typical leftists absolving themselves of responsibility they would find a way to deny that. Nevermind I got more umprompted job offers in my one 2 weeks vacation to the States than in all my life back home. They know better, and surely I must be against roads or climate change because everyone who isn't for nepotism and dependance must be a southern American redneck stereotype, even if they live thousands of miles away in a culture where none of those things apply.
As I type, I hear arabic voices outside my window. My town went from 99% white to 20% muslim within 25 years, and I can hear emergency sirens a few times a day when it used to be every once in a week. Those two facts are of course unrelated, diversity is our strength. I'm glad my parents' taxes are going towards subsidizing Ahmed's three wives pushing their strollers down the street. I don't get any money myself, but seeing as my parents have money it's only fair I don't qualify for any aid, other people need it more.
(cont)
>>28708901
>>28713028
It's not as if I really need the freedom and independence afforded by my own money. Our government provides generous healthcare, and if I have to wait 3 months for an appointment, that's the price we must pay to make sure everyone has a fair chance. We wouldn't want for the gay man who sleeps with a hundred guys in a year to not get his multi-million dollars HIV treatment, nor for the refugee with tuberculosis and bad teeth to have a full rework on the taxpayer's dime.
I can't afford treatment for the nerve damage I've had for two years in one of my tooth, as being a privileged white I should pay 800 out of pocket for it. But it's ok, I understand I'm not a priority. Refugees had it worse. They're fleeing the war in Syria and Turkey and Morocco and Libya and Austria and Greece and Italy. I couldn't begin to understand the pain they must endure, having to leave their family behind. I'm pretty lucky to have nobody who loves me, there's no loss to feel.
Sometimes, I wonder where my life is going. Our country ranks at the top for depression and solitude, so at least I'm not alone. Regardless, we are blessed to live in a country where the government takes care of its people. If some of us fall through the cracks, it must be because there's not enough socialism. I can't wait for the next elections to come. The Muslim vote was the determining factor in swinging it to the left last time, with them representing 1/3 of the births they must have even more teens hitting 18 than last time. Thankfully; we wouldn't want one of these backwards right-wing parties to get to power.
Viva Socialism!
>>28712760
>Are there criminal records or disabilities that would stop you from getting hired?
none
I'm literally just not finding any jobs.
>>28712874
>What he says is perfectly possible if he lives in a place with high minimum wage.
I live in california where minimum wage is $10 per hour and rising to $15. You think the high minimum wage is behind it?
.
>>28713154
The minimum wage have a strong correlation with youth unemployment, so yes, it's basically the minimum wage fault. As a inexperienced worker, you're probably not worth the 10$ a hour in your employer view. Your only option is falling for the experience meme. You can only acquire experience by working, but to work you need experience.
>>28713028
>As I type, I hear arabic voices outside my window. My town went from 99% white to 20% muslim within 25 years, and I can hear emergency sirens a few times a day when it used to be every once in a week.
If this is supposed to be a YLYL, I lost here
>>28708058
>mfw these faggots think communism and socialism means a welfare state
>mfw when these faggots didn't know Engels specified a moneyless society
>>28709515
I spoke to a few of them. They advocate universal healthcare because of the predicted lowering of healthcare costs.
Have you?
>>28713539
>predicted
And yet, never achieved without lowering of quality. I know you don't want the financial burden, but people in others parts of the world literally die waiting. Would you rather die or be indebted?
>I feel that the kind of guy who would post a picture like this is either an angsty college student or a 30-something white male making $20-$40k per year, who isn't really successful in the slightest but thinks he'll somebody own a Ferrari and race track because of the American Dream or whatever.
Actually accurate. The people who say it's effort and being smart what brings you money are usually either middle class students who don't even pay for their own uni, or older people who are completely average and believe it's because they had to pay taxes, otherwise they'd be rich.
It's funny because on one hand they're like, some people manage to get rich! You can get rich too if you put effort into it! But then they also say they can't get rich because they have to pay taxes. But some people manage to get rich while paying taxes. It's illogical.
Also those people can't imagine the most of people in the world don't really want to be rich. Like, of course, everybody would like to get handed a huge amount of money and use it to make their dreams come true. But realistically, the most of people just want a life where they aren't worried if they manage to pay their rent next month, that's all. I think social democracy is aiming to make everybody assured they'll be able to pay their rent next month, as long as they're able and willing to work - even if that work is simple, like being a cleaning lady.
This thread is worth double if shills post in it, more money for them to give to their big brother government.
Socialism has been tried, it has failed. Communism, an offshoot of socialism, has been through the same trials.
If you are not where you want to be, blame yourself, not others.
There is no free lunch. Everything has an origin, whether you like it or not.
Stop watching kike media that pushes you into these ridiculous stances.
>>28714032
The US healthcare system is ranked 37th best in the world by the WHO among 191 member countries. It's ranked first in responsiveness, first in cost, 37th in overall performance and 72nd by overall health. There are some cherry picked stats that the US is good at, like we're better at diabetic treatment than Scotland and England, and that we are tied with Japan and France in cancer survival. The Commonwealth Fund ranks the US the worst healthcare system in developed countries while costing the most.
And against this performance, 62% of Americans have savings less than $1000. 25% of senior citizens declared bankruptcy because of medical fees and 43% took mortgages to pay their medical fees. 14% of Americans have no insurance whatsoever.
Why should beta males work hard? Chads get much more for their hard work.
>>28714772
>communism is an offshoot of socialism
>communism and socialism means a welfare state
>communism and socialism means no one works
You're American, aren't you? No other country is this arrogantly stupid.
>>28708827
But who pays for them?
>>28708579
People did do something. It was called a government.
This sort of 'masculinity challenging' has existed as form of political propaganda since the beginning of time, you just have to learn to ignore and dismiss it.
As a simple example, during the wars prior to WW1 and 2 and during those wars, posters drawn up to promote men to join the military would often portray women wearing the uniform and the caption would read something like "If you won't fight, I will". This is also part of the reason there are these 'news' reports you see about Kurdish women fighters brigades, etc which pretend that women are actually fighting ISIS, etc - this propaganda works in part because it makes women feel good and powerful, but it's mostly used to shame the males in those regions into joining the militias\armies.
In Australia where I am, the vast majority of government redistribution works towards women's advantage. You could almost say that the entire system of redistribution exists to serve women almost exclusively. Most taxpayers are men (and more important, most labour intensive, mentally strenuous, skills intensive work is done by males who are then taxed at higher rates), while most government employees are women (65% of govmt employees on average are women, 90% in some sectors).
It's just dishonestly and bullshit for society to demand that men "fairly" compete withing a "free" market where women not only get to marry for money, but where practically every institution exists to extract labour and resources from men to give to women.
Just don't fall for the bullshit.
>>28710530
>Every single person I know who complains about having no money spends it needlessly.
Exactly.
People are poor because they are stupid.
Stupid people should be exiled to Africa or the Middle East.
>>28708266
All the shit you mention- sewer, gas, power lines, water, roads, firefighters- Nobody is complaining about that. Why? Because combined, thats barely a fraction of the federal budget.
Entitlements and defense are the OVERWHELMING majority of the budget. Those are what people want to cut. Even the staunchest libertarians realize the utility of public roads, etc. The people who want lower taxes dont want to cut those. They want to gut handouts, and some of them want to cut defense spending.
However, people like you will always misrepresent that viewpoint. HURR DURR YOU GUYZ HATE ROADS AND WATER, IF YOU CUT TAXES NOBODY CAN DRIVE.
>there are literally people who wake up early to serve their corporate overlords daily
Yikes
>>28708880
China is literally more capitalist than the USA, and has more freedom business wise than the US.
The whole communist thing is just a facade that the government like to put on for some reason. China is as good of a place to live in as the US, but there are some restrictions on free speech, however they are not nearly as severe as Americans imagine them to be.
>>28707973
Venezuelan here
Socialism is cancer, handouts are cancer, lazy people who want them are cancer and they will kill anything good about your quality of life.
>>28708049
You're implying that an actual jew is going to fix that.
Fucking really?
>>28707973
Universal health care is a must for any society that values human life more than money.
Handouts, however, should only be a temporary solution for the unemployed and should be cut if they don't find a job within 3 years.
>>28717546
Free everything is a must for any society that values human happiness more then money.
See I can be retarded too :3
The main problem that berniecucks miss is that the welfare state isn't sustainable because it doesn't encourage ambition nor accomplishment so the moochers just outnumber the tax income of the state. US welfare and pension programs are notorious for being completely unsustainable and driving the country into debt. How the fuck do you expect to increase welfare programs even further when they're already spending beyond their means.
And welfare as a system was started by feminist lobbying so that they could have a surrogate husband (big daddy gubmint) so they could devalue the man of the household by funding the single mom epidemic. Welfare is literally a feminist attack against men.
>he fell for commie rhetoric
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>>28715053
just europoor things :)
>>28717589
Happiness doesn't come entirely from money, so your retarded emoji and stupid argument can go straight back to whatever cancerous forum you came from
>>28707973
Most people adhere to a world view that predisposes them to what can be true.
Instead of trying to use logic to figure out truth they just feel that what they believe is true.
They refuse to accept that everything they know could be wrong.
>>28718054
Shut up you racist neckbeard I deserve to be happy
>>28708289
When the poor get hungry enough they eat the rich.
It's way cheaper to just give the poor food and shelter than to pay for para-military forces to protect your property.
With increasing technology the distribution of resources is becoming decoupled from the production process.
Sloth is a sin yes, but not everyone needs to "work" for there to be enough food to feed the world.
>It's yet another "/pol/ being retarded" thread
We sure needed more of those, huh?
>>28707973
>Afraid of competition
I thought this was going to be about immigration.
>So they choose a man who promises handouts
Plot twist
Retards everywhere. Meme maker sites were a mistake.
>>28709598
>there are losers in a free market system that ought to be looked out for
Then start a fucking independent charity that has to actually do good work to stay funded by willing donors
>Oh but nobody will ever donate
>Better extract funds from citizens at gunpoint because the government can allocate charity efficiently
>>28707973
It's so funny when a /pol/tard calls anyone a beta male like I can't believe it
>>28719136
You don't have to pay taxes anon.
The audit rate is marginal and generally only focuses on the richest people because that's where the IRS is most likely to get the best return for its costs.
The IRS is pretty poorly funded.
I understand you're making a moral argument about free choice. But desu fuck these niggers, I don't feel bad in the slightest for "stealing" from them.
