What is /r9k/'s opinion on Anarchism?
I became an anarchist a couple years ago, and believe in it due to universal hatred of government and after studying history. I feel that anarchy is a good way to retry society, with some ideologist starting communes to try their ideology under their own principle. People that want to help you will, and you can give what you want to whomever you want. Anarchy can legitimately build a more friendly and open society, even for you guys. I mean, if you talk in real life the way you do on 4chan you would get your ass kicked or maybe even arrested. Without these laws and barriers you can express yourself however you please. What do you guys think of this?
I most sympathize with anarcho individualism, but at the end of the day I have to acknowledge it's just a pipe dream. There are just not that many humans that are "evolved" enough to come together and make something viable.
>>28698556
That's why we just let them kill each other out. As you said, people evolve to that point, if we remove the shitty people we are only left with strong, smart, and nice people who will create a prosperous society.
>anarchism today is just "YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT BRO"
Bakunin must be turning in his grave
I like the idea. But knowing how greedy people in power are they aren't gonna give their position up. AND on top of that I doubt people are gonna work together. Smarter people like you and me might, because we can see that to survive we need to work together. But people like the popular youtuberes we see on that platform are stupid and only think of themselves. So basically there's more stupid people than smart people, and that's why it wouldn't work.
I think it looks great on paper but I think it will fail in oractice just like Communism did because are inherently pieces of shit and there will always be someone who tries to exploit others
>>28698575
Except those are the first to bite the dust when it comes down to it. In a truly anarchistic environment, those who have the willingness to subject themselves to a powerful leader and either accept his new society or join his mass rapes are the ones who have the evolutionary edge.
>>28698575
>That's why we just let them kill each other out. As you said, people evolve to that point, if we remove the shitty people we are only left with strong, smart, and nice people who will create a prosperous society.
never works
>>28698493
The eternal 'the idea itself is perfectly valid, it's just that people have always been failing to implement it properly. But the idea is right. Trust me'.
>>28698493
I think it's stupid, people should definitely be overseen by the state since they're too stupid to manage themselves decently.
>>28698658
Actually, anarchy has been done successfully multiple time in history.
Before Rome came to power most Italian villages were technically anarchy.
>>28698493
it's inerently unsustainable due to the power of groups over individuals -- you can set up your cute little commune, but eventually, guilds and factions will form, and it'll be right back to having a government, "legitimate" or otherwise
>>28698493
>after studying history. I feel that anarchy is a good way to retry society
> """""""""""""""""""studying""""""""""""""""""""""""
> """"""""""""""""""history""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>28698493
As an An-Cap I am all for it. However it can only be actively implemented after the physical removal of all leftists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>>28698493
you may be ready for anarchism but a lot of people would just start murdering each other if they knew there weren't consequences, people do that without the state already.
>>28698700
It was done successfully and then what? Either evolved into a state or got swallowed by one because states are more efficient at utilizing large bodies of people. Anarchy never works because humans like laws and like to be together in society, which is why you feel so much hatred for society when you're the outcast.
>there's a reason anarchy hasn't already taken over
>humans don't want it
Why do these threads always end up with one faggot telling us all we have no clue what we're talking about and he's constantly trying show off how smart he is?
who /egoistical anarchism/ here?
>>28699265
>anacap
>b-but i need a state to protect my feelings
top kek, what a cuck
I'm not interested in "borders are just imaginary lines maaaaaan" bullshit.
If you could guarantee the community wouldn't be flooded by 3rd world scum then maybe.
>>28700031
he's right, though.
leftists are the cancer of nations, the destroyers of civilizations. they are incompatible with an an-cap society. hell they're incompatible with any society.
>>28700066
>im an anarchist
>except when someone has a different idea than mine
>then i need an state to protect me
cuck
I prefer living in a Fascist society rather than an Anarchist one.
>>28698493
Anarchy can not work. You can't have communes without force, and with force it turns into communism. Only an idiot would believe in anarchy. Anarchy is the solution for cucks that can't make it on their own, so they need everyone else brought to their level to be equal.
Go take an economics class and realize that anarcho-capitalism is the only viable option.
Power structures and hierarchy inevitably form, it's all a question about who you let in the hierarchy and how the power is spread and implemented. Anarchy, or voluntarism is a novel ideal and can possibly work among certain smaller groups, but even within these, any group of people cooperating implies politics is taking place this is some sort of government, just sans the typical political theater of senate houses or parliamentary buildings. Given that a form of the state will always exist, it should be a duty of society to ensure that only those worthy fill the roles they are warranted to fill. Anarchy is just another futile revolt against nature that will crush those foolish enough to succumb to it every time.
>>28701055
This guy gets it, will to power brah.
>>28698493
Anarchism are great at shoplifting, freeganism, growing and smoking weed, free love and painting their symbol on walls. Anything that is more complex than that? They are powerless. Anarchists are modern hippies.
>>28701359
> Anarchists are great at
Obvious fix.
>>28698493
Somali is a great place where there is anarchy. Why don't you go there and built an anarchist paradise?
Anyone else here seriously considering moving to greece or spain to be in a place with less bootlickers / more anarchists?
>>28698493
i don't even consider governments anymore. if i could gather the resources, i'd gladly destroy the structures that support the government. i want to live totally free.
>inb4 it's just a pipe dream because people will fight over shit
i don't think anarchy will be some great fixer or anything, i don't really care that there's going to be massive murder and rape and shit. i would rather be dead and free than alive and restricted. I don't believe for a moment that it would be some garden of eden, i don't care either. besides, i want to have a little fun myself too. I mean, imagine if you could just kill people with no consequences. that would be the fucking best.
Who /libertarian/ here?
Oregano
Pic unrelated
>>28699265
>>28700066
>Anarchist
>Capitalist
Pick one and only one.
Ancaps aren't real anarchists. Capitalism is inherently hierarchical. Anarchism is the rejection of hierarchy of power. Stop abusing the word "Anarchist."
Was an anarchist, but found socialism to be more feasible.
>>28699207
i came here to say this.
basically to have true anarchy you must not allow people to form 'groups' as these groups tend to push their ideas on those they are more powerful than.
i like to anarchy as a start point to a new government or 'group of people' it really isnt sustainable.
>>28698493
grow up you fucking chid
>>28701862
cuckold detected
origami
It got overrun by sjw hugboxes
I find it hilariously ironic how much censorship happens over at /r/anarchy
It's my preferred unattainable utopia.
>>28701546
You're retarded. This is edgy teenage anarchy. Look up the non aggression principle you ignorant Fuck. Anarchy is not equal to chaos. Read a book faggot.
>>28702022
> hurrr no true anarshist durrr
Despite whatever you and you "true" anarchist friends think anarchy is equals to smoking weed and vandalizing you can. This "edgy teenage anarcy" is THE anarchy. Deal with it.
>>28698493
>everyone is so weak on the left spectrum that they think everyone on the right spectrum are roided meatheads
L M A O
>>28702115
Just kill over a hundred years of political philosophy cause you think it'd be cool to kill innocent people. You are literal scum. You're not an anarchist you are a criminal. Criminal scum.
>>28698493
Had political science class yesterday. We were talking about anarchism and I was the only one who wasn't saying why it was only nice in theory.
Anarchy is not a realistic alternative to existing systems. Once people get past their 20s and are still anarchists, they become considered either pathetic or comical.
>>28702311
Go back to 8th grade you little weiner.
>>28698493
There is literally no such thing as anarchism.
Any time that any two people make an agreement, that is a rudimentary form of government. Others are excluded from the agreement and this exclusion can quickly become conspiratorial and oppressive without a proer, well-developed government in place.
The correct government solution is a system that creates and strictly enforces laws that ensure justice and inclusion for all people under its jurisdiction, to be suspended only on an individual basis due to proven criminal behavior.
I'm not saying I know how to build this system, I'm just saying anarchism isn't it.
>>28699337
I'm >>28698658. This. A couple of dirty farmers managing to string rudimentary health care and not have their crops fail is not what I personally call a functional society.
>>28698493
ITT: a lot of edgy polysci "majors".
>>28702748
Says the child equating "le edgy killing" to anarchy.
>>28699265
>Claiming to be an anarchist
>Liking pinochet.
I'm still trying to understand it. I'm reading The Ego and His Own right now.
That being said I vehemently hate communism and socialism just based upon its believers being the most annoying, pedantic, ironically bourgeoisie, and condescending people that unfortunately are alive.
So anything is better than that.
I like anarchism, but I don't think it could be practically implemented on a grand scale so I'm a communist instead.
>>28703043
>Hating an idea because of the shit heads who usually have it.
Literally pleb.
I'm a national socialist but I don't have out with Nazi skin heads.
>>28703105
>Literal pleb
Thanks for proving my point. Good luck with serving your masters.
>>28703325
Claiming to read Stirner yet trying to find a spook to identify with that isn't communism or socialism cause the people who like those spooks annoy your precious self. If that isn't a pleb and childish way of thinking I don't know what is.
>>28703547
What spook am I identifying with?
The nature of socialism as well as the people who are infatuated by it annoys me, so I really couldn't give a fuck about them.
>>28703043
M8 don't let the establishment meme you into surrendering your surplus value. If you're upset that sjws are the ones that call themselves socialist these days, change that. You deserve to be a part of worker owned industry m80, not some hipster scum.
>>28698493
You have to be 18 to post here.
Thiscommentissoveryoriginaliswear
>>28703662
you have to not suck the establishment's cock to post here
>>28701598
capitalist or socialist?
libertarian socialism is the one true way
>>28703594
"... I vehemently hate communism and socialism just based upon its believers..."
You said nothing about the nature of Socialism and based your rejection purely on the individuals.
Not to mention, "... it annoys me..."
You simply don't have any reason for rejecting either Communism or Socialism beyond "I don't like them and they are annoying." That's how children think.
>>28698493
I'm partial to it. Not sure I can call myself an anarchist yet, but it definitely seems like the most viable alternative to the system we have now.
>>28698493
Yeah, having no state anymore (=> no neetbux) is a REALLY great idea for r9k ... -_-
>>28699303
>thinks anarchism means an absence of rules.
WEW
>>28698493
I think we need to offer them free helicopter rides of a lifetime.
>>28703850
How are you going to enforce those rules? The government will come back. Always. Deal with it, kiddo.
>>28698493
I don't really have any problems with the current system to be honest, if you hate living under the government it's not too hard if you're determined to go off the grid and survive. From my point of view even if you're completely poor this is one the best times to be alive in
>>28703984
Anarchism is inherently ideological and utopian. In order for it to exist everyone must have the same anarchist philosophy or a significant majority must be ready to eliminate those who want to rule.
>>28704057
Anarchists turn into fanatical mass-murderers when people don't follow their retarded ideals. They murdered nuns and priests in Spain and Mennonites in Ukraine.
>>28703850
Anarchy, in its core is the voluntary state of abcense of rule or any hierarchy, so you can't really stop anyone from doing whatever he wants without going against the whole point of anarchy. Ancaps are the most pathetic group in this aspect, since they don't realize that theocratic nutjobs and military warlords won't give 2 fucks for the non-agression principle.
>>28704057
>or a significant majority must be ready to eliminate those who want to rule
Too bad that never happened for more than an year ever
>>28704132
Because that's part of the ideal. No hierarchy and that include church hierarchy.
>>28704157
That's why I said it's ideological and utopian. I agree with you. But as a former self identified anarchist I want to at least present the right arguments for it.
>>28704212
But it's very hypocritical when they preach the non-aggression principle while mass-murdering innocents.
>>28704212
>utopian
Nothing wrong with utopian ideologies. It becomes a problem when retards flock to it and start trashing whole neighbourhoods and beating people without a clear purpose.
>>28704244
Most anarchists would say to you "They weren't real anarchist" like all the communist fanboys like to do.
So let me not do that.
I don't know much about Spain but I'm fairly certain it was Catholicism that was the main thing there, specifically when you reference nuns. Catholicism has a very rigid hierarchy and seeks to dominate, or, back then it sought to dominate and be the sole religion.
When the State is absent the Catholic Church would want to step in and in Anarchist thought that itself is a violation of the NAP. Once someone violates the NAP they need to be dealt with in return thus the killing of the people who would want to subjugate them under Catholicism.
>>28704287
Sure, just like the problem with Communism is retards who will just want to sit on there ass expecting the government to hold there hand. Or the problem with Statism when a jackass gathers enough power to enforce bullshit laws and regulations. There will be criminals in all society and in the anarchist society it is feasible that "proper" anarchist would band together and kill the "retards trashing the neighborhood."
>>28704363
Yeah man, fuck those oppressive bitches and whores who ran orphanages that fed and protected war orphans. Fucking fascist bitches teaching children to read and shieeeet. They deserved to get raped and murdered for being reactionary cuntwhores am I rite? Violating muh NAPs and freedoms with their charity and shit.
>>28704428
You have to remember there are two branches of Anarchism proper. Those who believe in "propaganda of the deed" or those he think violence to keep all authority at bay and the killing of politicians is okay. They usually only hold the NAP as being applicable to other anarchists. If you're not an anarchist then you are scum who has to die. They didn't want any possibility of the Church stepping in properly. Slippery slope fallacy kind of thing.
Then you have the strict pacifists and they never made sense to me. NAP for all even the ones who try to subjugate just doesn't make sense.
>>28704428
What specifically are you referring to? I'm legitimately asking.
>>28704578
I'd also second this question.
I feel I'm playing devils advocate to justify something that never happened.
>>28704578
I would have to guess he's referring the the Red Terror
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_%28Spain%29
I'm >>28704615 and the guy who's been trying to explain the rational. I'll have to do some more reading to elaborate, I suppose.
>>28703790
Anything socialism makes you a faggot. Kill yourself.
>>28704428
Which is funny because the Nationalist Catholics turned around and did the same thing after haven read a bit. Thanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_%28Spain%29
So it's not okay for Anarchists to kill those who want to enslave them but totally okay for the Catholics to kill those who won't listen to them?
If anything the latter is worse.
