Redpill me on drugs. Which ones are 'good', which ones are bad, and why they are degenerate.
>>28694785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ekkXrfmPM8
Eh, I don't know. Watch this.
>>28694785
All drugs are degenerate. They're one of the worst forms of escapism. In moderation they can be acceptable. Alcohol and marijuana are the most tolerable if you're not a fag about them. Most other drugs are dangerous.
Spread eagle across the block bitch
Dick and heroin r good choices 4 u
>>28694845
>Most other drugs are dangerous.
the jew really messed you up brah.
I work in mental health.
People on heroin are fucked up beyond control. They'd sell their children for a shot (and some even have done so) and care about fuck nothing anymore.
LSD is harmless as it sticks to your receptors in a way you physically can't trip day after day after day. You need breaks in between for it to work, so it's nearly impossible to become properly addicted.
Drugs are bad because you become so obsessed with them that you will start to do illegal things to obtain them. Because your judgment is clouded as well, you will fuck up your illegal ways and the police will catch you.
Then you will go to jail and become more fucked up.
Once you're out, it will be impossible to get a good job or a partner that isn't a degenerate.
Finding happiness outside of drugs is a lot better for your future. Even if this is one the worst boards to make that statement as most people here are underage or in their early-twenties and don't believe in happiness anyway in their self-absorbed pity states.
Prescription drugs are barely regulated. Do some research on how the FDA approves generic pharmaceuticals from overseas.
You'll be shocked.
>>28694864
>jew advocating no drugs
>when they can make money and america more degenerate because of them
>>28694864
Well, then tell me how they're not dangerous. How the jew messed me up and not you. How do you know the jew is not messing you up by making you do things that you think are the opposite of what the jew wants you to do?
>Good
Acid
Weed
Shrooms
LSD
Ketamine
MDMA
pretty much everything else
>"Bad"
Heroin
Meth
Other super addictive life destroying drugs
Jews had me snort coke stick with liquor
>>28694872
>LSD is harmless
The amount of garbage it makes people 'see' and believe is incredible.
>inb4 n-no TRUE, responsible LSD user would believe stupid things after the trip!!!
>>28694884
shit really depends on the quality of those drugs
if you cant find those 'good' drugs with good quality(for example with extra addictive stuff in it) they really fuck up your life.
Also people you get high with are also important
But overall yes, in an ideal world those good drugs arent as dangerous as people think
>>28694785
Try some and find out for yourself, faggot.
Originality ensues.
>>28694879
Actually no.
Not only does the merchant profit from not competing with drugs in the public sector, controlling popular substances is one of the biggest and most profitable jew moves in recent history.
The jew controlling manufacturing and distribution of heroin, cocaine and opium worldwide is a multi billion dollar enterprise.
Organized crime isn't run by outlaws goyim.
>>28694924
Well yeah, obviously if you have drugs that are cut with stuff it's gonna be significantly worse for you.
I think it depends entirely on the type of person you are and the type of drugs you take.
Personally, I love drugs. I love being under the influence and I'll try anything. I love how they make me feel for the most part. However, I don't have an addictive personality in the slightest and can easily spend a long period doing something and take a break of several months.
I don't feel I need drugs to improve my life or my social skills, I just do them because they make me feel a bit different. That said, I've never tried heroin which I heard is another game entirely.
I think the rep for drugs is bad but that comes from the worst case scenarios. If you can handle it and keep on top of recreational drug use, it's fine.
>>28694930
I'm not asking for myself. I see them as degenerate and would never go near them, but I have a friend that wants to try them. Weed, I think, is what they want to try.
The effects I want to know are the effects on personality. Weed users are faggots, for instance, is what everyone says. I want to know why, because saying that they become faggots isn't a valid argument. How do I prove to my friend that doing weed will make them an unpleasant person in general? Also, how will it affect their lives, both positively and negatively?
>>28694922
please name 1 death from lsd consumption.
>>28694962
>If you can handle it and keep on top of recreational drug use, it's fine.
'It's harmless! That is, as soon as it's, uh, harmless. So drugs are fine, as long as they're fine. So there's nothing to worry about.'
Were you a born retard, or is it owing to your abuse?
>>28694973
>it doesn't kill, maim, or addict you
>therefore it's harmless
Ah, druggie logic. Long time no being baffled by.
>>28694967
Weed is alcohol tier really. Smoking the occasional spliff is tantamount to having a few drinks. It's a pleasant buzz and you're happy and laughing for a while.
The problem comes when you smoke every day and take it up as a personal passion but people who become stoners tend to do it on purpose as a personality replace,ent you can spot them quickly too as theyl start saying duuude after a few draws.
>>28694991
not him but here's a rephrasal
>as long as you use them in moderation and not in excess, it's fine
>>28694967
My friend's reasoning is literally "drugs aren't a big deal, there's worse things in life." Are they too far into degeneracy to be helped?
>>28695036
For the millionth, that it's true doesn't mean that it's not meaningless.
>As long as you don't fuck up your standing, you can insult other people.'
>As long as your driving skills are good enough, you can break the speed limit.'
>As long as you ensure none of the lions attack you, you can come into the lion den.'
This logic should be immediately ridiculous to everyone over 12.
Now proceed to shitting out your 'WHAT?!?! Are you comparing drug use to...' as you must.
>>28695069
>>28695036
And I just noticed that most likely still need to spell this out: discussion of drugs must not, as it so far universally does, be limited to 'hurr you can ensure that they're safe, it's up to you, they're just a tool, *shitpost shitpost*', but instead must be related to occurrence of ideas and priorities to overcome their negative consequences. It's not about the crappy, meaningless 'you can avoid getting retarded by them', it's about whether they increase or decrease the likelihood of retarded thoughts... and likelihood that you recognize them for such and not for epiphanies.
But that, being meaningful and relatively difficult, no druggie so far has bothered to do. (Nor a scientist, for that matter.)
>>28694785
Do some research and find out for yourself.
Here's an invite to my fav market:
http://lchudifyeqm4ldjj.onion/?ai=31617
>>28695099
In short, the most naive way to apologize a harmful substance is to shift the blame for its negative consequences onto the user. 'Look look, shrooms have never so far made anyone a slobbering fool, every time that happened, it's because the person themselves didn't care to apply their reason to their ideas from during the trip! FLAWLESS RECORD!!!'
>>28695099
there are ways to be less effected by drugs after effects and im sure science can make them more effective
but because its illegal and taboo, almost noone actually benefits from it
and imo people are trying to break that taboo first
>good
mdma
mdma cut with good shit
ket
lsd
nicotine
>bad
alcohol
weed
meth
shit sold as 'mdma'
ghb
>>28695191
>really bad
any opiates
>>28695176
>im sure science can make them more effective
Eh, no. Yo clearly haven't read much research on 'psychedelics'. Their so-called researchers fail at basic scientific nonjudgementality. They flatly call their consequences -- increased acceptance, increased sociability, decreased argumentativeness -- benefits. There's no reason for that grossly subjective bias not to continue to spread. Soon enough, nobody's going to ask why exactly passivity in discussion, 'understanding' the 'importance' of the proverbial letting go and agreeing to disagree, is supposed to be a benefit -- and with that, to think to relate it to measures such as various kinds of scientific or life competence. It's all soon going to drown in a sludge of vague 'shrooms are good to you', because as soon as sympathetic 'the author is happy to report that they made the test group look more hopefully into the future and is very positive about their future clinical applications' creep in, merciless objectification of them as a mere life factor that has various repercussions, as less familiar and harder to develop, is going to be neglected.
bumpitybumpityoriginaly
>>28694864
I am Jewish so you can fuck off goyim. Drugs like cocaine, heroin, and amphetamines are generally terrible for your health. Even trying them in moderation is unsafe. Addiction is possible.
>>28694785
Anything physically addictive is bad, so you shouldn't try any opiates. Some people develop a dependence on drugs like marijuana, but it's not the same as a physical addiction. If you're prone to anxiety, don't go crazy smoking weed if it's your first time, since it has the potential to trigger anxiety and panic attacks (rare, but it does happen in people with anxiety problems, although for most people it does the exact opposite).
The "safest" and most available ones to try are magic mushrooms or LSD, since there's no risk of addiction or overdose, and you won't go nuts and start eating your fingers or some shit.
>>28694785
drugs make you unproductive and content about doing nothing. Furthermore, many are addictive if not causing physical dependence that may or may not be motivation enough to make you seek an earned income in order to afford said drugs. It can cause you to be a beggar that is a parasite on society and perhaps even unemployable if you spend most of your time high. That is why they are regulated if not banned. Society cannot afford do-nothings leaching off of it.
Recovering Aus heroin addict here
I can tell you that doing something that makes you feel good AND has a 99.9% chance to inflict addiction upon you is a BAD idea
can you get addicted to weed? is it degenerate?
>>28695982
There's nothing about weed that makes it physically addictive in the same way that opiates or methamphetamines are addictive, but some people develop a dependence on weed.
When you're addicted, your body has uncontrollable cravings and you have quite severe physical symptoms when you stop taking the drug (i.e. withdrawal). A lot of people have a dependence on certain things though, especially stuff like coffee.
>>28695002
seems pretty harmless to me. how can it harm you if it can't kill maim or addict you?
>>28696255
Making me believe runny not even wrong trash.
Making me dinterested in rigorous thinking.
Making me prefer dumb social chitchat about 'the importance of having an open mind and questioning everything and realizing that everything depends on perception and perspective and understanding the value of communication and *barf*'.
>>28696090
t. Weed McSpeed, Cannabis addict
>>28696293
some say LSD gives you more clarity and focus when thinking, as it removes the element of worry from the equation.
>>28696325
Weed McSpeed is a godly name.
>>28696326
>some say LSD gives you more clarity and focus when thinking
Obviously, because that's the very nature of its effect. You BELIEVE that your runny ramblings about taking responsibility for your life and the illusory trappings of the ego are the most specific, relevant, audience-worthy insights ever. Ever again, your insightfulness doesn't increase, it's just that your bar for what constitutes an insight plummets.
Feeling undescribably lucid about a misconception is still a misconception.
>>28696090
Garbage.
Endlessly repeated garbage.
Every time I stop smoking weed I go through withdrawals.
I don't feel right in the head, I get sick, and worst of all I can't eat.
Putting solid food in my mouth will make me gag for 2 weeks or so, I have to force myself to live on soup.
>>28696408
You should probably consider giving it up for good if that's the case.
>>28696492
Nah, i've smoked since my tweens.
It's the only substitute for the crushing reality around me and i'm allergic to alcohol.
The withdrawal isn't terrible, but it's not as tame as coffee withdrawal.
>2016
>drugs are baaaad
>acceptable drugs
>unacceptable drugs
>robots
Enjoy your anxiousness. Fap to furry faggot porn and remain depressed turdlords. No wonder you're all failures at life. You all think drugs are bad. You're not scared of drugs, you're just weak.
>>28694973
I'm near certain there's plenty of people who got themselves killed because they did something stupid while hallucinating.
And I know that there's people who broke due to consumption.
God tier
>cannabis sativa
>dmt
>lsd
>lsa
>shrooms
>peyote/san pedro
Good tier
>mdma
>cocaine
>cannabis indica
>amphetamine sulphate
Mid tier
>street speed
>crack
>ketamine
>mda
Shit tier
>alcohol
>benzos
>heroin
>>28694884
Pervitin is harmless
>>28696565
And you're strong because you escape reality using a cheap high? Okay.
>>28696565
I'm not sure really what the difference is so I guess I'm just gonna call it a day or something named Jennifer who works at the same time it starts at the office today to be around after your phone is the first time I knew that shit was gonna be that video before I was born to be a little bit more about the first time I knew that was a crazy story of the world and I don't think I have to go to get from here to here and I gotta be outside all day every day?
>>28694973
I've heard of people jumping out of windows when they took LSD.
Plus I heard it can induce schizophrenia in some people, and schizophrenics are more liable to committing suicide
OK:
LSD
Mushrooms
DMT
2cb
Slightly less ok:
MDMA
Alcohol
Nicotine
Weed
Less ok:
Cocaine
amphetamines
Benzos
Ecstasy pills
Bad:
Heroin
Meth
GHB
>>28694785
Weed and shrooms are fine. Probably other hallucinogens but fuck everything else that isn't adderall.
>>28696382
well maybe that's what people who take LSD want. Confidence and clarity, even if the clarity is fake, the confidence isn't.
>>28694973
Babysitter plus safe environment is essential. I almost walked into a car while freaking out desu.
>>28694785
You're never alone when on drugs. They'll never betray you and if you want to die they'll kill you.
>>28697004
I dunno man.
When I have a bad trip I feel betrayed.
I'm still scared of triangles.
>>28695982
If don't have good self control then you'll ask yourself: "do I want to feel good right now with little to no effort without leaving the house and seemingly no downside?" the answer is usually yes.
>>28694785
i'm highly depressed and i have been for a while. i'm also a big aspergler, which means absolutely 0 people want to talk to me. in high school i would sit in the woods behind my school, the ones where everyone smoked weed, and i'd wait till someone came with a blunt and beg to take a few hits because i was too stupid to buy it myself.
honestly, weed changed the way i interact with the world. i'd always had such difficulty connecting and making my language fit others lexicons, but weed sort of allowed me to slow down a conversation in my head and dissect it and think of things to say rather than sating fuckin stupid and unrelated about how great the game metal gear solid 3 was. it made me feel like i instantly had a jumping off point with other people to bring us closer (YOU like weed? /I/ like weed! Please Talk To Me About Metal Gear)
microdosing on acid also felt very nice, it felt like having a normal human brain for once, just with very nice colors floating around everywhere
>>28697040
Won't that eventually make you unmotivated? Just like masturbation, by stimulating the pleasure parts of the brain easily with no effort at any given time, you get desensitized to it, thus less eager to pursue anything.
Anyone have experiences with this?
Only drugs actually worth the time are stimulants insomuch as they aid you in getting shit done.
I have a cup of coffee, a 40mg vyvanse, and keep a high-nicotine vape at my desk on work days. Shit is god mode.
>>28697339
Uhh it depends on how you react. I personally get high to make chores around the house and "adult" things I have to do bearable. It can end up being the reason why you don't do it though so be careful.
bumpwopkla;dkwl;adk;wlakd
>>28694785
All drugs are bad and degenerate, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do them anyway.
>>28698081
it does if you don't want to be degenerate
>ITT: anti-drug shills with 0 sources.
lsd, shrooms, dmt arent bad for your health. if youve never even tried them dont bother suggesting what youve "heard". if youre not already batshit crazy, psychs wont be a bad experience (maybe just dont fucking overdose like an idiot and forget where you are).
most other drugs are somewhat harmful to the body and have to be very carefully used if at all. molly, weed, alcohol are probably the normie tier not-so-bad-for-health drugs. But they have to be used in moderation so for a depressed robot i would not recommend. maybe weed if you can afford it but youll get addicted for sure if youre truly a robot. probably not a big deal if you have the funds. molly needs supplementation and at least a month between doses so its kinda bad for you.
heroin, crack, meth, oxy, xanax, all that shit will really fuck you up over time without you even noticing.
not really sure about coke and ketamine/mxe desu senpai
>>28698601
>t. Drug addict
Drugs are bad, don't buy into this kike's drug-riddled mind.
>>28694924
This is basically the only reason I don't do drugs.
I can't trust anyone who's selling them. Even if a pharmacist somehow fucks up I can at least get a refund or sue them to death.
If a dealer fucks me up I have to go to hospital and tell everyone exactly which illegal things I did or fucking die.
>>28695036
>https://youtu.be/XV4yK-26smM?t=132
>>28694785
i cant speak for other drugs but i find that weed is a net negative experience. it makes things more fun, but it also fucks up your balance real bad and may induce a lot of nausea. at least, it does for me, and I hear it's a common side effect/reaction.
also, the giggles you get on weed aren't fun giggles, it's just a reflex. things won't even be funny and you'll laugh uncontrollably and want to stop, but you can't.
weed is kinda a shit drug 2bh, if there is anything you want from weed, just have a beer instead. it's basically the same thing but without the vertigo/nausea and you can restrain your laughter. the munchies are about as bad though
>>28698601
lmao isnt dmt the one that on erowid's experiences page, literally all of them say "just dont do dmt, its fucked up man"
or was that datura
>>28694845
>forms of escapism
psychedelics are not escapism if you have an issue psychedelic drugs will make it very clear to you what it is. Psychedelics wont always be fun but they you will learn something from the experience.
>>28694884
Acid and LSD are the same thing fampai
Funny how so many people in that thread are so quick say drugs are degenerate but chances are they take at least one form of medication daily
So meth is bad but if it's brander "Ritalin" suddenly it becomes perfectly fit to be consumed by kids?
All drugs are tools. No drug is inherently good or bad. It just is. Whether the outcome is good or bad or useful depends entirely on how the user uses it.
For example: datura. The active ingredient is scopolamine. Scopolamine in the right dosages is a good motion sickness medication.
Another example: cannabis. Yes, cannabis is fairly physically safe but like with anything, too much of something can do significant damage. No, it won't magically make someone mentally ill, but one of the most common side effects is paranoia and anxiety.
To anyone wanting to explore recreational drug use, or even for more medicinal reasons: do your research. Simple as that.
Know your body and your limits. Know proper dosages and dosing techniques. Test your drugs. Go low and start slow. Have someone you trust nearby just in case.
What steps you take obviously depend on what drug you are ingesting. You don't have to test the prescription you just filled at the pharmacy. You should test the blotter tabs you just picked up from your dealer or received in the mail. Don't take someone's word for it.
Be smart.
No problem with using some drugs in moderation.
Weed, and psychedelics are fun and don't have any physically addictive properties, so they are less likely to be abused. Amphetamines like meth, mdma, adderall can fuck your brain up, and opiates aren't that bad for you but highly addictive.
Ill stick to my weed and shrooms. Its from the earth so it cant be bad for you right?
>>28699360
>one of the most common side effects is paranoia and anxiety.
Lol that shit lasts as long as the high does, around 3 hours. It's not like your stuck with permanent paranoia and anxiety after injecting one marijuana.
But I agree, as long as you do your research and have someone nearby, most drugs will be fine. Personally I would avoid meth, heroin or opiates, and coke though.
>>28694785
Addiction is generally the bigger problem than the effects of the drug
All drugs can have effects on your mental health and help illnesses to appear, all drugs are harmful
Never take drugs from someone you don't trust, and even when you trust them test them(People selling you MDMA or LSD are probably not selling you MDMA or LSD)
Don't ever get addicted to benzo, the withdrawal is the worst thing(even worse than heroin)
Don't get addicted to pain pills you will end up abusing heroin as soon as you get poor
Don't do research chemicals
Don't do spice/synthetic "weed"
Don't do meth
Don't do drugs that mostly poor people take
Alcohol is a very bad drug, it's just socially acceptable to take it
If you get prescribed something by a doctor take it as a medicine and not as a drug
If you think that you lost control get help
If you see yourself taking a drug regularly you are already fucked
LSD, Shrooms, and Weed generally don't fuck up people, but they can
>>28699109
Not all weed is the same, and weed isn't for everyone in the first place. I prefer it to alcohol because you can get as high as you want and have no hangover, no liver/kidney damage and it usually makes you happy rather than alcohol that can make you feel shitty.
The giggles on weed are usually because I find everything funny but again, it differs from person to person.
>>28699360
>All drugs are tools. No drug is inherently good or bad. It just is. Whether the outcome is good or bad or useful depends entirely on how the user uses it.
I'm pretty sure that this was posted in every single thread in which I before posted >>28695099 and >>28695165.
Volume, sheer volume always wins.
>>28698601
>requests sources in first line of his post
>in the very next line he unwittingly backpedals out of this by saying that only personal experience matters
>druggies
>>28699460
>Lol that shit lasts as long as the high does, around 3 hours. It's not like your stuck with permanent paranoia and anxiety after injecting one marijuana.
Repeated traumatic experiences can end someone up with an anxiety disorder and derealization. I know because it happened to me. I believed everyone when I heard all the "it's medicine, it's not a drug, it makes you relaxed". After smoking everyday for a year I had a complete breakdown after a couple months of anxiety and then panic attacks every time I smoked, coming to a head when I ate an insanely potent edible and hallucinated for hours.
Again, cannabis isn't bad. But it's not good either, like anything else. A couple years after therapy, I can now use cannabis again in more reasonable doses, including using more CBD rich strains instead of 20%+ THC heavy strains. And I no longer smoke every single day.
I know for some people they can even dab every day. My point isn't that you can't do that. It's that one should treat drugs with respect and find what works for them and to regulate one's use to avoid negative side effects and outcomes.
My drugs of choice are lysergamides, amphetamines and benzodiazepines. It's funny how I can handle LSD better than I can weed. Everyone is different, everyone should practice responsible drug use.
>>28699360
Also, considering you're a braindead moron who can't even spot the basic 'it's about how you use them' fallacy in your post, your self-important, preachy 'be smart about it, respect the substance, do your research' is particularly grating.
>>28694933
>a person who has broken the law, especially one who remains at large or is a fugitive.
>who's le chapo haha
>>28699641
>Also, considering you're a braindead moron who can't even spot the basic 'it's about how you use them' fallacy in your post, your self-important, preachy 'be smart about it, respect the substance, do your research' is particularly grating.
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand. Why is that wrong?
Even with all of the preparation in the world and responsible use, things can still go wrong. But that doesn't necessarily mean we can go make a curated list of "good drugs" and "bad drugs", because everything in life has pros and cons and very few things are 100% no exceptions, objectively, bad.
Surely we can agree on that.
Weed is great, shrooms are great, pretty much everything else is bad.
>>28699641
>>28699692
Oh and to clarify, I'm not saying drugs cannot be at fault for things. They definitely can. I'm arguing that just because drugs have the potential to cause harm OR benefit, doesn't make them inherently bad or good. The OP is basically asking which ones he should use and which to avoid. So that's why I spoke about harm reduction and responsible use.
>>28694785
Weed is great
Alcohol can be okay in moderation
Acid is fucking awesome if you like nature and music (I watched a sunset with music and say there until the stars came out and I sat there some more because it was fucking amazing)
Coke make you feel energized and sharp like a knife
Molly makes you feel like love but sometimes fucking on mollies is hard.
Mushrooms are fun too. Makes you sick for a little in the stomach but when I was drving I felt like I was driving on a fucking dragon road with eyes and breathing and shit and it was fucking magical.
>>28699610
>After smoking everyday for a year
Not trying to be a dick, but why did you keep smoking after your initial panic attack, if every time you smoked you got another one?
If you abuse any substance everyday for a year you will most likely encounter adverse effects if you suddenly stop. If you smoke meth everyday for a year you would be fucked up pretty badly, and if you take benzos daily your memory goes to complete shit. Get drunk everyday and your kidneys, liver and gut will be fucked up.
My point is that cannabis is probably the least harmful drug to use, as long as it is used in moderation. Any drug used excessively will have bad effects.
>>28699705
Acid and DMT are equally as great as shrooms, hallucinogens are great to kill a day and see cool shit
>the same drugs that can alleviate anxiety can also cause anxiety
Sometime explain this to me
>>28700200
For cannabis there are two variants, sativa and indica. Sativa-type cannabis is more of a mind high meaning your emotions are lifted and your mental state is changed. This can lead to anxiety and paranoia if you smoke too much or aren't used to the effects. Indica strains do the opposite, making your body feel heavy and dampening your mental state, meaning you are less likely to be anxious or worry about anything and just be more chilled out.
>>28695982
It's degenerate. You feel good about doing fuck all.
I remember when I was anti-drug to the bone. When I called them degenerate and was asked how they're degenerate, I just sperged and didn't back it up with any facts. I'm glad I got better, but it does bug me how some of the posts ITT look like something I would have made.
I'm not gonna call them degenerate or anything, if you're into drugs then you're into drugs.
I just don't like doing them myself, along with alcohol. I don't enjoy the feeling of not really being in full control of my body
>>28700359
More power to you anon. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
>>28700263
>>28700200
To make this stoner mumbo jumbo understandable:
There are three different subspecies of the Cannabis plant with different concentrations of the psychoactive substances.
>tfw the DEA's colluding with Mexican cartels to the point of selling them guns and shit
>tfw legalization never ever because that means the cartels go broke
>tfw the system can't be reformed because this is the system
>>28700266
This isn't /pol/. No one gives a fuck about duh genie rat here.
>>28700471
Hell I even went to /pol/ on what they believe on drugs and the majority was for it.
I tried some cocaine and MDMA at a party once and it was pretty fun and I didn't get addicted
>>28700513
>He was at a party
roooooo
>>28694785
imagine you're a bot
drugs are u directly fucking with your components, with no elec. eng. exp
>>28699692
>Surely we can agree on [that very few things are 100% no exceptions, objectively, bad].
I would have to be not one, but two decades younger than I am to not only acknowledge the utility of anecdotal exceptions, but also implicitly acknowledge such a thing as 'objectively bad'.
>>28699800
> I'm arguing that just because drugs have the potential to cause harm OR benefit, doesn't make them inherently bad or good.
This is rhetorical confusion as only druggies excel at. 'A thing tends to result in x... but it doesn't mean that it inherently tends to result in x'. This is so incoherent that I don't even know how to reply. My point remains valid: you shift the burden for drug misuse onto 'irresponsible' or 'uneducated' abusers, so to protect your precious fungus from criticism. During my years on 4chan, I've always so far managed to refrain calling people 'faggot', but the temptation gets enormous sometimes.
>>28700380
>>28700359
'He took a passive stance towards my vice, I gotta compliment him for his "level-headedness", "lack of prejudice", and "living and letting live" so that as many people as possible will take imitation of him, quick!'
>>28700579
Is this a PSA for 12 year olds?
>>28700650
It's just not a common viewpoint that deserves gratitude. Usually people for drugs do drugs and people who aren't don't. Calm your autism
>>28700579
Well, then if you get that expertise that nothing is wrong, is there?
>>28700691
>Calm your autism
>actually implying there is any intrinsic value in noninterventionism and that your addictions should be immune from criticism
Get fucked.
>>28700715
What? I'm just saying you seem to give a big shit over something as small as one person complimenting someone else, for whatever reason. Not everything is a debate that is trying to persuade you.
>>28700752
An insult has to be something more than a generic 'you're mad' at this point to grab my attention, sorry.
>>28700809
It obviously does considering you replied to this and >>28700691
>>28700390
That's hardly stoner mumbo jumbo. If you can't comprehend that little snippet, with at the most some quick googling for terms, you're pretty hopeless. Your "translation" made it more complicated, I think.
>>28700579
>imagine you're a loaf of bread
>doing drugs is like adding yeast to yourself so that when the time comes to harvest you, passover is ruined
dude metaphors lmao
>>28700940
What, because I used complicated terms like "subspecies" and "psychoactive substance"?
Reminder that if you take any of these you have no room to talk about drugs being degenerate
>>28700650
How autistic do you have to be to get this asshurt over two posts that got barely any replies
>>28701004
No, because you're bad at summarizing.
>>28701013
I don't know if you can classify caffeeine and sugar in the same category as alcohol, ritalin and nicotine. But yeah, too many fucking normies saying "Oh i tont do drugs" and then get fucking wasted every weekend
>>28701079
How so?
Anyone with half a brain can see that different concentrations of the psychoactive substances contained within the plant will lead to different results upon consumption.
The
>>28694785
all drugs are fine
degeneracy is relative and therefore non-existant my family
Ketamine is the ultimate robot drug, prove me wrong
>>28701144
too expensive for robots
>>28701013
>Implying that stuff isn't degenerate
Why can't we just round up druggies in pens and roast them alive?
>>28701148
If you do it all the time sure, moderation is key though.
>>28701119
>The
Oh shit be died
Most drugs are fine if you've got any self control and don't happen to have an addictive personality.
And alcohol is one of the most degenerate drugs in existence
>>28701162
are you the guy pretending to be a cop in another thread
why don't you try not being gay
>>28701162
You don't do any of those? I'm impressed if you don't, good on you.
>all this bullshit about degeneracy
>jews memes
>muh virgin gfs
When the fuck did 4chan become a bunch of fundamentalist Christians?
>>28701144
>>28701148
O-PCE is the ultimate arylcyclohexylamine.
fuck it I'm doing another line
>>28701119
>>28701079
>>28701004
Not him, but you disregarded >>28700263 as being 'stoner mumbo-jumbo' despite him using clear, plain-English terms. Then you go on to provide a summary which is more confusing, using specialist terminology like 'subspecies,' 'pyschoactive' and don't actually explain anything. It's not about the different concentrations, it's about the different types of cannabinoids that are present in different strains and how they affect the cannabinoid receptors in different ways. Source: I'm pretty high right now
>>28701190
Top keks tbhfam
origeno
>>28701225
Because we're full of contrarians
>god tier
DMT
Mescaline/Peyote
Yage/Ayahuasca
Psilocybin
Muscimol
>good tier
LSD
>ok tier
Marijuana
Alcohol
Caffeine
Salvia
Nictoine
Opium
>bad tier
DXM
Heroin
Meth
Crack
Coke
Ketamine
Benzos
GHB
>shit tier
K2
Bath salts
MDMA
bonus round
>greaseball tier
Nutmeg
Anabolic steroids
Paint huffing
Sharpie sniffing
Eye-dozers
Chew/Snus
>>28701225
could as well be muslims for all we know.
>>28701004
Noooot really. Because your description was all-at-once not detailed enough and too specific. If it was your terminology my "google it" point would be moot. I haven't slept in a while so forgive me if I'm inarticulate...
You made it more complicated by making more of a new statement, than an addition or extension to what was already said. Not entirely, but you zoomed out instead of zooming in. Which can be helpful when explaining certain things, but not in this situation, I think. You made it too general. It probably would have helped the OP of the question more if you didn't respond in a reply to the other person, and just made your own response directly to OP.I feel like I didn't touch on everything I meant to with that, but I did my best to tell you why I thought it could be confusing for the OP. Hope that'll do.
>>28701376
>>ok tier
>Alcohol
>Nicotine
>Opium
??????
Kekd at the greaseball tier desu senpai. People really get high off nutmeg?
>>28701475
Yes. It was semi-popular with sailors back in the day once all the rum had run out.
You can give yourself a dirty high with nutmeg most often compared to running a bad fever.
>>28701475
I did when I was 16. Tripped on it, was deliriant, crazy shit. Sat in class looking like a zombie trying to ignore the lightning coming out of my nose. Really went all the way with it, I don't recommend it. Took me weeks to return to normal.
>>28701558
Right .... and your friend synthesized LSD with some toothpaste and an orange peel...
>>28701584
No I'm not joking. I think I nearly took a lethal dose of it. Shit was whack
>>28701376
This is a pretty nice post.
Drugs, like anything in life, tend to be OK in moderation. It's excess use of things that create issues. So even these "God tier" psychedelics can be over-used. A heavy DMT user is someone who smokes it once a year.
>>28701475
A friend of mine tried it and said he was high all day, but had an absolute crushing headache for 3 days after. People are retarded tbqh.
>>28701376
Joe Rogan memes are always appreciated family.
>>28701584
I vouch for anon. Honestly, just search up some Erowid trip reports on the stuff. Crazy. I've never done it but it is a very valid and real poor man's trip. Or desperate highscooler-lacking-connections trip.
>>28701013
What country is that Mars bar from? They're black and red here in the UK.
>>28701610
>Drugs, like anything in life, tend to be OK in moderation.
mind = blown
>>28701584
Your thinking of bananadine not LSD :^)
Nutmeg is a deliriant drug and will give you a deliriant "trip" if you take enough. Deliriant trips are more like being so sick you lose contact with reality than psy/dis trips though.
Everything in moderation including moderation
>>28694785
Every drug is bad and degenerate.
Fucking up your body for no reason is something only idiots do.
And this includes everything especially (sadly) legal drugs like caffeine or alcohol.
>>28694785
ate a 1gb abv on butter piece of bread 15 mins ago
will keep thread updated
>>28699984
>Not trying to be a dick, but why did you keep smoking after your initial panic attack, if every time you smoked you got another one?
The first couple times it happens, you don't think it's going to keep happening. You think, oh, that's probably a one off. Also, they initially didn't happen every time I smoked, it just eventually became that way. At first I'd get anxious maybe 3/10 times. Then 4, then 5, etc. Until finally I realized I had to stop and focus on my mental health, because it was only getting worse.
This cycle is extremely common with cannabis because the generally accepted thought is that it can be used 24/7 without repercussions and that any ill effects are probably not because of the weed. At least, this was definitely more the school of thought when this all happened to me. Things are starting to get better the more cannabis is legalized and regulated and people are properly educated on it.
>>28704172
you couldn't even keep Wade Boggs from running a train on you
what makes you think you're qualified to tell us shit
Alcohol + cocaine is the best combo. Weed is overrated as fuck and makes me paranoid.
>>28700583
>you shift the burden for drug misuse onto 'irresponsible' or 'uneducated' abusers, so to protect your precious fungus from criticism.
But that's not what I'm saying. Someone is asking what drugs are good to do and which aren't. The honest answer is that everyone will react differently to different things and for anyone to speak in absolutes would be silly.
Psychedelics aren't for everyone, but the statistics surrounding them only show that they are physically harmless and usually don't end with the user homeless and begging for change.
I'm saying that despite people in this thread saying "weed/mdma/lsd good" and "heroin/amphetamine bad", that it isn't true for everyone and that someone deciding to use drugs should know themselves and the drug before making any horrible mistakes.
I'm basically arguing that no one should go and take """precious fungus""" just because some random people on an image board claim it's One of the Good Ones.
The fact that you're grouping me with perma-fried hippies that think everyone should go out and dose is hilarious.
How does one get DMT or painkillers?
Really desperate to improve my social life (the rare times ive tried painkillers for wisdomteeth made me super un-jaded and non cynical to people, and very social) while i heard DMT could make you find meaning in life
>>28704619
darknet
You have been muted for 4 seconds, because your comment was not original
who here /coke/
I'm feeling pretty damn good - gums are nicely numb too. Listening to some earl and death grips
>>28704871
how 2 get bitcoin
>Have darknet friend who used to be a massive provider
>Tells me it's cool to take 180mg of codeine phosphate but that it'll knock me on my ass
>Take it and wait several hours
>Like all opiates, it does fucking nothing to me
Also OP, a drug is, by definition, a substance that alters the way your body normally works. If you understand how a substance affects your body, you can take some carefully in ways that can be fun and even productive and minimize risks. Generally speaking, Psychedelics aren't addictive or physically dangerous, but what you do on them can be traumatizing and uppers/downers tend to be addictive and dangerous if taken in high amounts, but I know people who have taken fucking heroin in a stable way carefully since an early age in moderation and are able to live normal lives.
>>28694785
I've been on olanzapine for a few months and would rate it as good
>>28696382
My friend and I came to the conclusion that about 70% of what we say on acid is psycho babble, but some of it is legitimately insightful, because acid removes preconceptions your personality would usually create.
>...And you know, in the morning, we'll write all this off as psychobabble, right?
>Yeah, I know, we won't even believe ourselves
>Yep, every time
>dude, was what we said even relevant?
>... Man, I don't even know.
>>28704932
I like but only after I have heroin in me
I used to enjoy coke without but opiates ruined my life/ I ruined my life with opiate
>>28699198
psychedelics are the opposite of escapism
>>28704247
im fucking high
Depends on your tolerance and personality.
Heroin, benzos, and alcohol are the most destructive out there.
Meth is up there but not nearly as bad as the above 3.
Other amphetamines can be addictive.
LSD, mushrooms, etc can be dangerous as they can trigger underlying mental disorders, but those would have happened later anyways.
Weed is for people under 25 and people with chronic pain disorders. Lame drug, I'm glad it's illegal to keep buttdevastating annoying stoners.
>>28700579
except humans are much more than bots
>>28694872
>I litterally don't know anything about lsd
The post.
>>28706653
>tfw tapering on suboxone and valium
your post is 100% right and i'm a fucking idiot
>>28707130
We're just self-replicating wetware automata full of feels and water.
Get a clue.
>>28694785
You can group them pretty broadly.
Opioids are bad news, stay away, members of the family include Heroin, Benzodiazepines, and cough medicines.
Hallucinogens and Deliriants aren't chemical families, but the distinctions between the two categories are often muddled, Hallucinogens like LSD and Mushrooms alter your perception of reality sometimes to the point of being unrecognizeable, wheras Deliriants like DMT or Salvia can actually completely subsume it and induce a trance-like state, many of both of these these can lead to psychological problems if consumed irresponsibly, like detatchment from reality, or sudden irrational religious rendencies (Hallucinogens like Shrooms tickle the same parts of your brain as loving Jesus does), but are more or less harmless in small occasional doses barring death by stupid accident.
Amphetamines are a chemical family, stay away from them, Meth(amphetamine) Dex(-troamphetamine)ies and plain old Amphetamine, often called Speed, they make your skin bad with prolonged use and can send you pretty cray cray.
Coke in moderation is a great party drug, but it can also make you into an asshole and burn a hole through your pocket.
Crack will make you broke, toothless and dead in that order, crack cocaine is not the same as cocaine.
>>28694845
marijuana is one of the least tolerable it's super psychologically addictive and you can spend thousands a year on it without batting an eye
>>28707389
This is probably the most level-headed post on drugs I've seen.
I just wanted to let you know. Pleasure to read.
>weed, psychedelics and molly are good, opiates, stims and benzos are bad
ITT: r/drugs
>>28705797
>Like all opiates, it does fucking nothing to me
Codeine is shit. What else have you tried?
>>28707389
>Opioids are bad news, stay away, members of the family include Heroin, Benzodiazepines, and cough medicines.
Benzodiazepines aren't opioids. Opioids are opium-like compounds (i.e. morphine, heroin, oxycodone, codeine, etc.). "Cough medicines" is too vague as well. What you're referring to is likely codeine cough syrups which would be correct, but there's also DXM cough syrup which is basically the quintessential robot drug.
>Deliriants like DMT or Salvia
DMT and salvia are psychedelics (although salvia is considered atypical; the jury's still out on that).
Examples of deliriants would be diphenhydramine, datura, dimenhydrinate, etc.
Being on a deliriant does what it says in the name. You don't know what's going on and your hallucinations will generally be unnerving at the least. This is not a traditionally fun class of drugs.
>Amphetamines are a chemical family, stay away from them
All of these drugs are "chemicals".
>>28696781
I don't see a problem with that. Degenerates pummeling isn't good news?
>>28707974
>DMT and salvia are psychedelics
Salvia is a dissociative, not an atypical psychedelic.
>>28708128
To be fair, it's actually a kappa-opioid receptor agonist and can't really be called a typical or atypical psychedelic or dissociative. It's definitely an outlier.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24484985
It's not an NMDA receptor antagonist like most dissociatives.
I just lump it in with psychedelics and dissociatives as a whole honestly. It's unique.
the only thing I would consider truly degenerate are weird concoction chemicals - like krokodile and synthetic weed replacements.
>>28707427
this
t. stoner
>>28698703
>Even if a pharmacist somehow fucks up I can at least get a refund or sue them to death.
Doubt you'd win it.
Suing pharmacists, pharmacies, and drug companies is difficult. In the case of generic drug companies, it's literally impossible. They are effectively above the law.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/25/business/justices-rule-generic-makers-not-liable-for-drugs-design.html?_r=0
>>28707427
>
jesus shut the fuck up f
>>28695567
>adderall makes you unproductive
>>28694850
I FUCK THE MUSIC
I MAKE IT CUM
I FUCK THE MUSIC WITH MY SERPENT TONGUEoriginality is a virtue
>le heroin is bad meme
Sure is normie in here
>>28710313
I know right
>Valium + Lorazepam master race
>>28710313
Opiates are for degenerate cowardly self-pitying faggots who listen to Elliot Smith and make no honest effort to ever improve their situation. You lot need to be dropped facedown in a ditch and executed. Only benzos addicts are bigger thieving degenerates
>>28700583
honestly I'd take a babbling acid-head over some autistic polack who spends all day in his room posting nonsense on 4chan
>>28710718
Opiates are lovely man, they make the pain go away.
>>28710775
So does killing yourself. Speed the process up and do us all a favor.
>>28710784
You first
Originality is overrated
>>28694785
they're all bad, have fun destroying your body, you fucking degenerates.
drugs are for normalfags.
