Is he correct?
Varg is always correct
>>28689879
>mansplaining
ugh,like,srasdoihaoduh
>>28689918
It's very problematic I know
>>28689879
I disagree.
There are women who are lost in this world, fall into consumerism, try to attach current interests that are socially popular to themselves in an attempt to show they have character. They want to prove to themselves and the world they have value, but there are men who fall into the same traps. People are like this, not just women.
Women have lost value if you have this view towards society, family, and relationship, but in my opinion women are just people as well, like anyone else. Their world might be a bit different, but the pitfalls in their lives they have in common with men.
This isn't the fruit of feminism, it's just the first world continuing the snowball effect of consumerism and loss of individuality. It's easier to lose your way today than before.
>>28690002
Varg was kind of speaking in generalities there but I would say his words apply to 80% of women still.
>>28689879
He looks like Baron von Ungern-Sternberg, which gives me hope, because said baron led an attempt to get rid of moral degeneracy whilst in a schizophrenic fit.
>>28690034
I'd say it would apply to 80% of people in the fist world.
To focus on women: Yes, he does have a point, but because the focus on women it makes it seem like they are the only ones that have changed when that isn't the case. Society has changed. It implies blame on women and feminism when those aren't the core issues or reasons.
>>28690002
>complaining about consumerism
Literally a poorfag who can't get a girl imo
>>28690002
Da, I agree comrade. Consumerism is a true evil. A socialist utopia draws ever closer though, never fear.
>>28690118
Quit choosing to misunderstand me.
There are mental traps in consumerism and people attach their lives and identity to it. Consumerism itself isn't bad, the way people handle it is.
>>28690158
The entire quote is not even about consumerism friend, This issue is more about most women no longing wanting to be real women and being hedonstic degenerates with no virtues to speak of and it gets worse every decade.
>>28690255
>The entire quote is not even about consumerism friend
Yes, I know this.
>This isn't the fruit of feminism, it's just the first world continuing the snowball effect of consumerism and loss of individuality.
My point was that the blame was misplaced.
>>28690323
>Yes, I know this
Do you though?
Because you're going heavy on that aspect when it's honestly a small part of what we are talking about here.
>>28690397
Yes, it's because I disagree with the quote in that aspect. Feminism isn't the main cause of these issues in my opinion and was providing my view, anon.
>>28690002
>loss of individuality
Humans are not individualistic. The world is not changing, it has always been this way. Consumerism has nothing to do with it.
>>28690002
>There are women who are lost in this world, fall into consumerism, try to attach current interests that are socially popular to themselves in an attempt to show they have character.
This is based on their character influenced by the choices they've made and their disposition in life.
If they weren't consumers, they would just follow their instincts without advancing themselves consciously.
>They want to prove to themselves and the world they have value
They've replaced the feminine stigmatic value with things that they've bought.
>but there are men who fall into the same traps. People are like this, not just women.
True, but Varg was talking about the behaviour of women.
The behaviour of men is a whole other issue.
>women are just people as well, like anyone else.
Obviously this is biologically true, but women serve a valuable feminine part of society as educators of the new generation, nurturers and warm, hospitable entities. The modernisation of femininity has convinced women that their natural social instincts are shameful, and this is a very big problem, not only does it cause an imbalance of a feminine/masculine society, but mutates natural femininity and the female identity out of modern society.
>>28690506
You could argue it has always been the same for it's in a constant state of change, but it is not the same as it was before. I don't think it is worse or better than before, I don't think I could really say.
Why do you believe consumerism isn't related to the individual?
I think the connection is pretty apparent and is in relation to the quote. We are measuring ourselves to one another, still equating monetary wealth to ones value, advertising has never been this powerful and had such an impact on society. This relates to individuality. Perhaps the confusion is there. I'm talking about people wanting to be an individual in their own eyes, they want to prove to themselves something, so feminism and consumerism is just a tool they have at hand since people tend to view themselves as how they are seen by others. That people today are more swayed by what others think, feel and do than previously. They conform so to establish a sense of character, morals, views and opinions. Tend to flock to crowds which have the possibility of having the most impact.
Do you not see that feminism as well as anti-racism movements use fear to gain leverage. They slander and insult to get their way even if it is wrong or hypocritical? The people don't seem fazed by this, they adhere to this reasoning because they feel like they are accepted and are on the upper position. It gives them a sense of direction and purpose to be in with a crowd, to own certain things, to hold certain viewpoints. Consumerism isn't the sole issue, feminism is less of the issue. My point is mainly that people can communicate so easily, movements can start with ease, everyone's attempting to prove something and it's so easy that one loses a sense of self in these tidal waves of change socially.
>>28690632
The value of a woman is shifting, or has already shifted.
I don't see why their next sense of value can't be of just a standard person. There are masculine characteristics which add value, and there are feminine ones as well which add value only to women. It's not equal footing, the women seem to be at the foot of the man in this view. I'm not arguing for feminism, I think the person should be judged, not the sex. I just don't see the point of continuing with the old traditions when we have a chance to be evaluated and valued as an individual and not sex.
There are the issues regarding relationships and romantic values, both they can be overcome. I disagree with how it's being handled today, though. We shouldn't just be accepting of everything and removing responsibility from women's actions. We shouldn't tell them it's okay to be a slut, that their actions carry no weight, but it's an issue that can be solved. I don't have the knowledge nor time to really get into it now.
>>28689879
>modern women no longer want children
literal schizophreniac varg strickes agian
>>28690927
Learn how to spell if you're going to insult someone obviously smarter than you.
>>28690079
>>28690002
>>28689879
Not sure if this is related enough of a tangent but I was just thinking about how much of a problem I have with modern dating advice. Or dating advice from individuals. When it starts telling you you need to whiten your teeth or get a haircut or wear trendy clothing so you appear "attractive". For fuck's sake, *anyone* can throw on a well-fitting outfit and cut their hair so they appear outwardly attractive, but it's hardly what draws me in. Usually it's body language and the look of their eyes when they emote, then it's the person I get to know when I start talking to them. I'm not sure why people honestly believe that spending money to trim your hair, put on makeup or groom yourself any other random way is considered "self improvement".
>>28691013
>Usually it's body language and the look of their eyes when they emote, then it's the person I get to know when I start talking to them. I'm not sure why people honestly believe that spending money to trim your hair, put on makeup or groom yourself any other random way is considered "self improvement".
Because you can sell hair and grooming products and makeup but you can't sell body language and eye movements
>waah why aren't people not doing what they want to do and everyone being miserable because they have to follow my shitty rules
>*trombone keyboards fart sound"
