>filling out passport application
>"Please fill out the information below for two references that are not relatives and have known you for longer than two years."
well i guess im not leaving my country anytime soon
You get that shit on job applications all the time, too.
It's like they can't conceive of any person ever not having a social network.
Just put relatives that have different last names. I do that shit all the time on job applications.
>>28584821
>It's like they can't conceive of any person ever not having a social network.
I worked in Aquisitions and Recruitment for many years, asking for 2 references is very deliberate. to put it to you bluntly, we absolutely NEVER hired loners.
It was at the very top of the "DO NOT HIRE" list. Having a social life is one of the key requirements of functioning in the work place, contrary to popular belief, your credentials are secondary, how you behave as a person comes first.
You can always teach skills to somebody, but you can't work with a creep.
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>>28584895
this desu
literally can't even do volunteer work without references
it's implied that someone with no friends is a bad person
really dumb desu but that's normalfags for you
>>28584895
Sounds about right. I'm not going to argue against that. Social skills and being able to communicate with people are absolutely essential.
I suppose the only exception to that would be for very specific technical jobs where some loner is the only viable applicant.
My mum just got her friends to be a reference for me because they felt sorry for me.
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>>28584982
>you can't work with a creep.
You can though... wouldn't a loner be better even because they'll actually WORK and not stand around talking like it's normalfag social fun time?
>>28585059
Core communication skills are essential, loners lack this.
I made the mistake of recruiting two loners during my Junior A&R appointment, they neither worked nor socialized with their colleagues, and could not effectively communicate on work related issues, they were promptly fired and I almost lost my job also.
>>28585142
You're doing a great job cementing my belief that HR cunts are all kind of dumb and don't actually have any understanding of the people they interact with.
It's frustrating to think that a loser like you has power over other people's livelihood.
>>28585142
Loners and people with poor social skills won't ask for help, right? If they don't understand their task or are struggling with it, they won't ask anyone for help. They'll either continue what they're doing and do everything wrong or they'll just slow down to a stop and wait until someone tells them how to do it.
>>28584895
Would someone without facebook be ruled out?
>>28585059
Not that guy and I understand what you're trying to say but tbqh you have play/entertain the normie's advocate in this case. In order to understand why what you wrote doesn't work, you have to try to think like how normies think.
Most people are normies, and most people are extroverts. This isn't a rigorous deduction from the above, but I don't think I'll encounter any serious opposition to my conclusion: most people are normie (and) extroverts. This doesn't mean they're all rich, attractive, healthy, have iphones, etc. It's a basic laundry list of the normie extrovert psychology that we understand perfectly well. This simple majority of humanity that I'm describing fit some major psychic bullet points:
-they've had sex with a member of the opposite at least a few times in their lives, and usually on multiple occasions
-they have families that they care about somewhat.
-they have friends that they talk to regularly
-yes, they have people that they hate, and they want to be left alone sometimes. but in some way shape manner or form, they /need/ to interact with other human beings IRL. This is the central trait of the extrovert, and it simply exemplifies the social aspect of humanity's existence as a social animal, which even robots/introverts are obliged (and often also take pleasure in) to do sometimes. The difference for a robot tends to be that almost all social interactions are negative, and so a necessity of the human condition itself becomes unpleasant. It's a bit like hating eating. It's unhealthy.
-they would go absolutely crazy at the prospect of sitting quietly, alone, in a room by themselves for years on end, as we do.
The team composed of normies does not want to work with a guy who just sits in the corner all day, appears to have a permanent scowl because he has never had sex, and who never looks anyone in the eye. It can even be argued that such a person has a depressive effect on the team, possibly hindering productivity.
>>28585264
But the task is stupid and it doesn't matter if I do it wrong. The whole job is stupid and it doesn't matter if I do it wrong. I just have to go to a place and be at the place for 8 hours every day because that's how work is. It's stupid and it doesn't matter but you have to do it anyway because you need money. Money to live a stupid life that doesn't matter in a stupid country that doesn't matter.
There's no need to over-complicate things and get all anal about the details of your stupid job that doesn't matter.
>>28585339
And I write all of this as an introverted loner cyborg myself, who has been quite happy to live in self-funded NEET-dom for two years rather than to interact with other human beings beyond the regular "I'm still alive" call to the parents, and cashier interactions. Soon, I shall be obliged to wagecuck again, and it will be interesting to see who takes me. I do have work history though so I'll get something, probably something pleb.
>>28584761
It's not the government's issue how I live my life. That question is another prove that the government is fucked up.
>>28585367
I know how you feel, anon, but it's a game we've got to play. That attitude you've expressed there is going to harm your chances of having enough income to live comfortably and do the things you actually enjoy doing.
Does this happen in the US? Or just for Canuck/Ukuks?
I lucked out and knew 2 people when I applied for mine. It'd be difficult now though. Hope I don't need references when I need to get my passport renewed
>>28585381
>self-funded NEET-dom
How? You work for a bit to build up enough savings to go temporarily NEET?
Doesn't that make it difficult to get your next job? Employers would want to know what you were doing.
>>28585439
>Employers would want to know what you were doing.
"Not working."
Just write n/a for each category
>>28585439
>>28585463
>I was in hospice waiting to die but then I didn't die unfortunately so I had to get another job.
>>28585228
Please tell me again why lonely idiots who don't work hard and can't communicate deserve a job over people who do and can.
>>28585264
I was only recruiting, not management, the first week of work for new guys was always integration, they were always told whom to ask for help and what to do if they were unsure about anything.
No one was ever thrown in the deep end and expected to swim.
>>28585283
No, not at all, although if an applicant had a facebook account, we required access to it so that we could read the posts, it was a good judge of character, Although technically not allowed, we also judged based on political beliefs. I would make a point of never hiring socialists or leftists.
I know no one asked but a common misconception is that companies hire women just for their looks, I can assure you that this is not the case.
>>28584761
It's so depressing when you find things like relatible. My life really is beginning to fall apart.
>>28585502
>we also judged based on political beliefs
Are you sure you didn't go a little power mad?
>>28585668
Well you can't go mad without power
>>28585502
I work hard but my social skills are bad.
>>28585510
Happily for U.S. citizens who are making a first-time-ever passport application, OP's normie bullshit doesn't apply. It's not a job application at the Denny's or some shit.
You are STRONGLY ENCOURAGED to fill out information completely, especially your social security number. You don't absolutely HAVE to fill in every box, but you run the risk of having your application rejected, esp. if you don't give a social, for obvious reasons.
I thought about witholding one or two minor details but then I figured that that was a bad idea, so I went ahead and positively indicated that I was in fact unemployed.
And no, you don't have to give two references in the USA. You should list one emergency contact, however (that'll be mummy and/or pep-pep for must of us). Maybe OP is british or canadian or something. Here is the current US passport application
t. got a first-ever passport not too long ago, and within 8 days after I had applied, no fuss, no muss.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/212239.pdf
shit like this is why I don't feel bad at all about collecting NEETbux for a disability I don't really have desu
>>28585684
>"Have you ever tried going mad without power? It's boring, no one listens to you."I thought it was Hank Scorpio who said that but it was the guy from the simpsons movie. Both characters are voiced by the same guy, though.
>>28585502
I know that HR are redundant cunts that every president would love to eliminate at the earliest convenience, but this whole post is so textbook-cunt that it's pinging my troll-antennae. Like, it's just all a little too perfectly cunt, that even many normies would dislike you as a person. The whole bit:
>durr kikebook
>we gotta see it
The other anon even indicated the hypothetical of a loner who is effective at their role "i.e. works hard", but you're intentionally not entertaining this distinct possibility, instead re-inserting your own schmucks who sadly didn't ultimately bring you down with them, to hear you tell it. Ah well.
>>28584761
Can you not just put down a couple of your parents' friends or work colleagues? That's what I do.
>>28585895
I didn't make the policy.
Besides, you're forgetting that my job is essentially to hire people that would make the company the most money.
>>28585502
>I would make a point of never hiring socialists or leftists.
Would you hire a libertarian?
>>28586013
Libertarians are contrarian, and fedora. They might sometimes be pretty "normie" by r9k standards, but in the grand scheme of things, libertarians are /weirdos/.
And HR cunts like the cunt infesting this thread, hate hate hate "weirdos". Not merely the loner losers that he's been talking about, but /weird people generally/ are seen as liabilities. This is why HR picks people who are as "normal" in the broader sense, on paper, as possible. Once again, to play devil's advocate and look at it from other point of view, the HR cunt did indicate that he almost lost his job over picking two "weirdos" (loners) on one occasion, so he like other HR cunts is naturally obliged to pick the most Norman material available.
>>28585502
>No one was ever thrown in the deep end and expected to swim.
Even if there was no integration, you honestly can't be expected to magically "notice" when they're having trouble and hold their hand all the time.
You're running a company, not a special needs class.
>>28584895
So as a friendless NEET virgin I'm screwed? Good to know
>>28584895
Is this satire? If not then how do you keep someone from lying. Do you call up the references?
>>28586597
you can't, really. being found out for having lied on your cv is grounds for immediate firing, but the trick is that they have to find out.
