https://youtu.be/EtvfHnZMcOY
What do you think about this reasoning?
>>28584626
>Married men earn slightly more
>Doesn't mention the huge costs of raising a family
>Doesn't mention the possibility of losing everything due to divorce
>get married and you'll magically become more productive
At what cost?
>>28584676
not to mention the mental costs of putting up with a harpy who married you for your money and shitbag crotch goblins who hate you
>more work
>less free time
>less going out
>church + family activities
That honestly sounds like hell to me. Maybe if I found my perfect 10/10 wife it would work, other than that no.
I want to believe that PragerU is a good institute and helps others.
I want to believe that they are wise.
But, marriage is a women's game this day and age. Women win in that game.
>if you get married you will go to church more because muh family
This video is retarded and Christian propaganda.
>Get the privilege of less time to enjoy themselves, have to be chained to the family/do family stuff, another mindless slave to corporate
>Get the privilege to be forced to work more stressful/dangerous jobs to make enough money, and to work longer hours for their benefit
>Earn 20% extra, so she can take 50% during the divorce
Really cool man!
>Married men go to the bar less, and church more
Chalk up one more reason to not marry.
Either way, what's stopping women from "stepping up" and "settling down" and "working harder" to provide for her family while her husband sits at home playing and watching TV with the kids all day. Married men don't may make 20% more, but they pay 80% of that to their wives to buy shit they don't need. "Her money is her's. His money is theirs" isn't some one-liner to get a laugh, it's the real deal with most women, even before marriage is involved.
I honestly wouldn't mind an equal marriage, my parents had one. Each spent equal time at home and made equal pay while working. Problem is marriage is generally so skewed towards benefitting and providing a lifestyle for women that you have to find someone pretty fucking special to get that out of a marriage since most just want to live their fairytale princess dream that disney told them all about.
They work more hours, because they don't want to go home
there is literally 0(ZERO) virgin non-deformed||obese women left so its pointless to get married in this day and age
>>28584837
they exist, they're just in committed long-term relationships already
>>28584676
I don't disagree with the premise that sharing a life and raising a family will motivate me to earn more. I don't disagreement that it's a good thing.
I just don't see it being possible today, though. "Marry", yeah, with whom? It's not like I have girls lining up to marry, or even date. If they ever do, I doubt modern women are wife material. So yeah.
>Married men are more encouraged to make more money
Well no shit. If you have a family to support, of course you need more money. If your single, then its just your own expences. Therefore, its easier to keep a lower paying, simpler job.
This focuses too much on the economic benefits of marriage. Who gives a fuck about that. What matters is how happy you are.
>>28584626
I'd rather be an aging, AIDS ridden, coke head toothless Chad then married.
It's too late, USA is a rotting corpse just like Rome was. Circle of life.
>>28584863
order
bride
>inb4 she'll just cuck you REEEEEE
slap her around and she'll be too fucking scared
Of course married men work more. its the only escape they have from their wives nagging.
>>28584626
Does anyone know if this Brad Wilcox is married himself?
>>28584994
>What matters is how happy you are.
countless studies have shown that married men and women are statistically more likely to be happy than their single counterparts senpai.
>>28584626
>on average married men earn 20% more than single men
Yeah, they also get to spend only that 20% while the rest of the money is spent by the wife
If anything you should get gay married because this shit makes no sense
>>28585276
Yeah, studies made by who? In today's world you can put the word study in the MLS nonsensical piece of shit and off to the prints it goes
>Prager U
if you take this channel seriouly you are a a faggot cuck
>>28585276
If you marry for love, sure. But this video insinuates getting married asap, and never brings up love.
If you settle, then you'll guaranteed be less happy.
Until recently there were more incentives for men to get married. They were the king of the castle, they didn't have to worry about divorce completely destroying their lives, and their wives actually cooked and cleaned. When I look at the married guys I know now, they have to pay for maids, and they have to pay to eat out literally every day of the week because their wives simply don't cook.
They have removed all of the incentives for men to get married, added more incentives for women to get married (in the form of divorce, which is basically insurance solely for the woman.) Unfortunately for them marriage requires two parties to initiate.
If these sociologists can't figure out why men aren't getting married, their degree obviously wasn't of much value.
This guy brings up how married men gravitate towards higher prestige jobs without mentioning the added stress those jobs bring. He brings up how married men earn more but he doesn't mention how much disposable income they actually have to spend, fully as they please, at the end of the day, which is probably far less.
Also I found it odd he brings up "working more" and "spending less time with friends" as a supposed positive. Working more is associated with health problems in later life. Nobody on their death bed wishes they spent more time in a cubicle making someone else wealthy. It's perfectly clear who's the winner and who's the loser when all is said and done.
I'd actually fire this guy because it seems to me there's only two possibilities:
1. He does very poor research; or
2. He has an agenda (namely the cuck agenda)
Academics aren't supposed to have agendas, they're supposed to be objective, but this is fucking sociology so I wasn't expecting much in terms of academic rigor to begin with.
This assumes that getting married causes these changes and not that these changes are just correlated with people who get married. Marriage is a financial social construct and serves little to no purpose other than saying "we have enough money to fuck and have babies." It doesn't stop people from fucking and having kids out of wedlock which should be the target for propaganda.
>>28585913 covers the bases for the limited benefits
The argument also misses that income issues are being seen across the board and doesn't present statistics comparing groups of married and unmarried men over time. There's also a likely correlation with educational attainment and marriage (financial institution).
Not only is the argument flawed in these manners, but it assumes that upward income mobility is the objective of rational agents. It's even in the beginning of the video. The nigga didn't give a fuck. And what nigga willingly goes into the military for a pay raise? a broke ass nigga that's gonna get screwed in the ass if he doesn't. He probably got cucked too. i seldom hear good things about marriage and military.
I hate this cartoon style presentation everybody makes these days
I'm still young and can't find a job
>>28586331
desu, my inner edgelord likes the representation of people as faceless nameless statistics.
>>28584626
I can barely take care of myself
>>28584626
>work harder
No, fuck off.
I'm a kissless virgin and I don't care about wealth, and I certainly am not going to work hard just so some fat obese hag can take half my shit whenever she gets bored and yearns for Chad. Women treat like me shit so I have absolutely no desire to ever be with one.
My mother is the last decent woman who will ever live.
>>28584676
>Work twice as hard to feed your children and wife
>Wife feels "alone" because you can't give her enough attention with all the shit you have to go through to get better salaries
>She starts to fuck Jamal and to ignore your children
>She claims to be "abused" because you didn't give her enough attention
considering how much propaganda there is in telling people not to get married, i don't think this really means anything. but also using "manhood" as an argument is silly in 2016. the biggest appeal of marriage is starting a family and unless you grew up understanding the value of family you will never figure out why a committed relationship is important or why having people close to you is beneficial. they would honestly rather deal with mental illness and feeling lost/alone/broken than trust anyone. what you can hope for is that smart people (and foreigners) still have kids while the rest of society at least works and consumes.
>>28584626
I've seen a lot of disgusting shit from all my years on 4chan, but this is certainly something else.
>>28584626
Literally the only benefitbhe says is that you make more money. But why? Because you have more responsibility and you spend way more. Id rather be alone with an average income and work less hours so i can live comfortably and chill instead of working more so my family can live comfortably.
Tldr no thanks Jeff
>>28585913
>If these sociologists can't figure out why men aren't getting married, their degree obviously wasn't of much value.
Degrees in sociology don't have value regardless of what their owners do with their time.
>>28586453
Why don't you just marry your mother then?
>>28584626
Remember if you have any gains or at least look ok you will lose ALL of them and look like the piece of shit in the video.
But by no means get married. At least you can go to church more.
>>28586836
lol epic joke anon *upboates*
>>28584626
Money money money you gotta make more money to be happy.
>>28584626
*BURP*
I'm married for 3 years now and I'm the kind of person who gets happy over knowing that people don't get to experience how good it can be. Honestly if you're a piece of shit out of a relationship you'll still be one in it, but literally everything got better for me when i started seeing this girl. if anything in my life starts going downhill i immediately get support from her or her family on top of all the regular things she does like cooking and massages etc.
fuck people, though. between the partyfags and the netcucks most of you wouldn't appreciate a good relationship anyway. don't ruin each others lives, just ruin your own.
>>28587087
Have fun when she eventually fucks off when someone better comes along, chemicalcuck.
>>28584719
M'lady
>>28584808
>Chalk up one more reason to not marry.
f'dora
>>28584837
Date a minor, stupid.
>>28587087
Do you have children, Mr. Cuck? Because being married and not reproducing is just like living with a girlfriend.
I'm eagerly awaiting the follow-up video "Be a Woman, Make Yourself Marriage Material"
>>28587137
was this supposed to be funny or concerning? hard to be insecure after this long tbo senpai. like what do you even think is the alternative? jacking off to porn?
>>28587203
This would get into the news because of all the 'controversy' it would cause.
>>28587245
I've seen too many people brag about how happy they are being married only for things to go sour after a few years.
>>28587257
Exactly
originalpost#20023
>>28587203
the thing is that even if it got a lot of backlash, that's exactly what happened to this video as well
>>28587245
>what do you even think is the alternative? jacking off to porn?
Kek, no matter how much normalfags try to play up relationships, it always comes down to busting a nut. How about you not be a slave to your own body and make rational decisions NOT based off what your boner has to say?
>>28587154
planning on it this year or next. most of our friends have young kids too it won't be too bad.
and living with a girlfriend long term is breddy good too. i'm not saying marriage defines the relationship. all im saying is that i like what i have and don't think it should be for everyone.
>>28587283
Yup, three years is nothing.
I think that Brad Wilcox guy is actually a Jew who has been paid by his rabbis to encourage white people having children so they will be the high IQ workers of tomorrow.
This is what I literally believe.
>>28587283
are you poor? i've only seen one marriage fall apart out of many hundreds of couples i've met and known over the years. poor people should probably chill out and prioritize stability first yeah.
life goes sour no matter what you do anyway man, age is a thing. there's no chance you'll convince me it's easier or better going through that experience alone.
>>28587332
1. it's far more normal to undermine marriage and commitment, and to just bee yourself for a company/cause while hooking up with random people.
2. you need to learn how to read.
>>28587415
I've know people where the honeymoon period lasted for 6 years until she finally fucked someone else and he snapped out of it.
>>28587492
I know people*
>>28584626
>Be a woman
Why would this anger people but the reverse is fine?
>>28584626
20% higher salary isn't good enough for me
http://www.divorce.usu.edu/files/uploads/lesson3.pdf
>In the United States, researches estimate that 40%-50% of all first marriages, and 60% of second marriages, will end in divorce.
http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divorce-patterns-by-gender-race-and-educational-attainment.htm
>Approximately 42% of marriages that took place between ages 15 and 46 ended in divorce.
http://www.marriagefoundation.org.uk/Shared/Uploads/Products/5357_MF%20-%20What%20is%20the%20divorce%20rate%20-%20060213.pdf
>Based on current rates of divorce, 39% of couples marrying today will divorce.
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_351693.pdf
>The fall in divorces to 2009 is consistent with a decline in the number of marriages.
https://www.oecd.org/els/family/SF3_1_Marriage_and_divorce_rate_Jan2014.pdf
>During this period, divorce rates increased in most countries. The increase in divorce rates in the United States was very small.
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/acs/acs-30.pdf
>Americans have higher marriage rates and marry somewhat earlier. Marital disruption is higher in the United States compared with European nations. We see a pattern of marriage, divorce, and remarriage, or "marriage-go-round."
https://www.relate.org.uk/files/relate/separation-divorce-factsheet-jan2014.pdf
>42% of marriages end in divorce.
>66% of divorces were on petition of the wife.
>Of every divorce in 2011 - it was the first divorce for both partners in 70.1% of cases.
https://www.bgsu.edu/content/dam/BGSU/college-of-arts-and-sciences/NCFMR/documents/FP/FP-14-19-divorce-rate-recession.pdf
>A year-by-year examination reveals the divorce rate was increasing modestly during the years leading up to the Great Recession (2000 - 2008). This trajectory reversed in 2009 when the divorce rate dropped nearly 7%because the cunts needed their husband's money!
>>28587489
1. I don't understand your first statement.
2. You need to learn how to write.
>>28585276
Show me a study that accounts for the effects of:
--people who are single after a messy breakup being miserable
--the fact that people who end up in relationships are more likely to have attractive qualities and/or more in common with people than bitter antisocial losers who everyone hates
both of which would skew any results in such a way that there are likely to be lots of unhappy singles.
The problem, as always, is finding a causal relationship vs. a correlational one. Would a hypothetical male who is capable of marrying, but chooses not to, become happier by marrying? If so, then yes, those who can should marry to improve their happiness. But I seriously doubt you'll find any study that could draw that conclusion. Instead, you get "the percentage of married happy people is higher than the percentage of single happy people", which could be explained by any number of factors, including the ones I mentioned above.
>>28587479
they don't need too many high IQ workers and asians exist anyway.
if there was any great influence out there it would encourage that black people have more kids while discouraging population growth in general, especially in cities.
>>28587565
>studies
lol empiricists
>>28587546
>muh divorce rates
if you're a dysfunctional idiot then that's a personal issue.
using divorce rates as an argument against marriage is like using SAT scores as an argument against education.
>>28584626
none of these "benefits" sound good. at all. what the fuck is the point of this video lol
>>28585260
Apparently, he's not married.
But, what the fuck difference does that make? Are you trying to imply his argument is less valid because he's not married himself? That's bullshit.
>>28584626
Why would I want to "work harder and more strategically." Why would I want to "spend less time with friends and more time with family?" Why would I want to "spend less time at the bar and more time at church?" It sounds like the married man is fucking boring.
"Married men earn almost 20% (WOW) than their single peers!" Yeah, and they piss it away in 1 calendar week every year on wifey's shoe shopping trip + diapers and food for 4. The single man has a higher effective money pool than that married guy even if the married guy is making higher total income. The single man can also spend his money on whatever he chooses to spend it on, without any external pressure from a nagging wife (you can't buy a new truck! we already have 2 cars!!!!!)
The video admits that the man living in his parents' basement was happy and carefree as a single man. When he got married, it changed his life into one of work and tireless promotion-seeking just to be able to eek out an existence for his family.
Why the FUCK would I want that? It sounds horrible? And I haven't even mentioned the 50% threat of divorce. The raw deal of marriage itself, even when you totally exclude the chance of divorce, sounds shitty as fuck. Work your life away, come home and sleep, and use your weekends for hair cuts and lawn care. Is that the life you want? And at the end of the day there is a 50% chance the wife will disrespect all of the hard work you've been doing and decide to take it all from you via divorce. Wow yeah marriage sounds like SUCH a gr8 idea, sign me up right now!
>>28587579
>it would encourage that black people have more kids
That's what dem programs and benefits are for. The more kids you have, the more money you get.
Married men earn more because it's required to get married and have a family.
I am married and earn more than my single friends but they couldn't support a family anyway because they are earning so little.
>>28587579
Blacks aren't going to be building the Bridges of tomorrow, Asians don't do physical labour. Whites are perfect slaves for the Jews. Strong, smart and loyal while abiding the laws and rules the Jews invent because breaking the law is baaad
>>28587689
>take an IQ test, anon
>NO I HAVE A 50% CHANCE OF BEING RETARDED!
you can probably agree not everyone can be a "carefree" spoiled brat all their lives even if marriage was just a sacrifice though. it's no big deal, if you're happy then there's no reason to change what works for you.
>>28587606
The problem is trying to apply numbers to argue a point without giving all the numbers or analyzing the numbers fully, and in doing so, advancing an agenda through deception. Kind of like how a higher percentage of men sexually abuse kids, yet the majority of total abuse cases are committed by women (likely because they're the caretakers the majority of the time). Guess which of those two facts are more commonly advertised?
Also just realized another effect to control for: delusion. People who are married have everything to gain by convincing themselves they're happy, while single people have nothing because they've made no investment (time, money, social standing) in their situation. Single people are constantly told they should be miserable because they don't have a mate. Only a well-constructed study would be able to adjust for the effect these biases would have on their self-reported happiness, e.g. by associating responses with objective measures like incidents of violence or suicide attempts and determining the sincerity of each response in light of other pieces of evidence to the contrary.
>>28587860
if it makes your autism tingle any less, legit studies haven't been made yet but the general assumption among psychologists is that happiness isn't associated with marriage or starting a family, but with having human relationships in general. there are many studies that quantify the damage of loneliness and isolation, but there isn't any reason to believe that a married man is happier or less happy than a single man who has close friends. it depends much more on quality of life based on income/habits/mentality which are relatively independently maintained in adults, particularly non-religious ones.
>>28587546
>https://www.bgsu.edu/content/dam/BGSU/college-of-arts-and-sciences/NCFMR/documents/FP/FP-14-19-divorce-rate-recession.pdf
Wow that is an amazing find.
>>28587770
Wow you're fucking dumb dude
>>28588034
>Anon, go outside please!
>NO I HAVE A 30% CHANCE TO GET CANCER WAAAAA
>all dis correlation
>all dis circumstantial-at-best evidence of causation
>>28584626
he definitly makes good points, but i think his theory breaks with his test subject.
The reason married men are more hardworking and career-driven is that they want to provide for their spouse.
They have something to fight for and something that needs their protection. Through marriage, as the guy said, men start thinking about more than themselves. At this point, they have an interest shift to settling down.
That being said, the problem is, that men today are mostly the screwed ones, when a divorce occurs, therefore they are more reluctant to commit to someone so severly.
Case and Point:
A divorced women in the sixties lost most of her social status and value. She was dependent on the men socially and financially. Hence they we're eager to keep up the marriage with lots of hard work.
Nowadays, we have equal opportunities in the workplace and in the social world, therefore both partners are constantly given a view at better opportunities to their current partner and because of that both would not be eager to fight for what they have.
The problem comes when, as i said, men are most of the times the loosers in this fight, since everyone listens to women in court, even without evidence.
On his point about settling down:
men in relationhips tend to do a lot less stuff for themselves a.k.a. bars, hobbies, visiting friends, as they simply do not have time for that anymore.
This is however not a good thing, as that way a major part of the personality is cut out of his life, which eventually leads to a midlife crisis, where men at the age of 50 suddenly wake up and realise, their entire reason to live has been other people who aren't depending on him anymore. He then tries to pursue pointless activities(buying harley, model trains, etc.), which he will never truly eccel in.
So you are left with men completely lose of a sense of purpose whose entire personality is controlled to serve a female, while she probably think about a way to get a better lover.
>married men work way more and harder so they earn more money
Woooooow. Too bad I fucking hate working.
>>28587770
>>28588055
1. Those analogies are broken. They are not even true-ish at a glance. They're simply broken, stupid as fuck analogies. There isn't a "50% chance of being retarded if you take an IQ test." If you were retarded, you would know it. An IQ test also isn't a lifelong commitment that will change your life once completed. Marriage is. There isn't a "30% chance" to get cancer if you "go outside." You're being fucking stupid on purpose and it's pissing me off.
2. My post outlined exactly why marriage was a bad deal for men *even without divorce*. I only wrote about divorce in the very last 2 sentences and I even said "this sounds bad even without the chance of divorce," meaning my whole argument stands without the threat of divorce. Your choice to home in on the 1 single part of my argument that is literally completely irrelevant, as stated by me in the same exact post, is as peculiar as it is vapid and retarded. My argument doesn't hinge on divorce you fucking retard, but the fact that there's a 50% chance it will happen certainly makes my argument stronger.
>>28587958
Autism? I'm just outlining the basics of stat analysis. The person I was responding to made a claim that being married was more likely to bring happiness, and I asked whether any studies went into depth on it.
>>28588149
in other words:
You shouldn't buy a dog to motivate you to start jogging, you should start jogging and then get the dog to support you.
Relationships shouldn't be elevated to marriages on the bases that they will work better and harder when they are still young, people should have the chance to live for long time together and then elevate to marriage to give each other the sign of absolute trust.
He is right, when he says, that marriage is not just a piece of paper. It is a sign of absolute trust to the other person, the sign that says, you really will commit to this person and no one else (consensual cuckdom is not mandatory). It shows that at this point you can no longer back out.
Unfortunatly a lot of people don't realise the severity of this situation.
The environment for marriage has changed
drastically since our parents. Their are even
more variables and incentives to take into
consideration and the risks are too high for
males. The people responsible for this video
lived in a generation past, not our environment,
they think nothing has changed.
>>28588181
1. there isn't a 50% chance to get divorced either, dummy. if you need a "lifelong" feature, it's like saying you have a 50% chance of being a fat fuck. you are probably the dumbest person on 4chan right now.
2. you can call it a bad deal but it has nothing to do with divorce rates (which are actually low as fuck until you get really old) you self absorbed prick.
Interesting video. He makes some good points, but I know a bunch of married people at work and the lack of freedom you have with a wife and kids sounds pretty awful to me. Though I spend my free time on 4chan, so it's not like I'm really taking advantage of being single.
The whole thing is kind of moot because I haven't had any romantic prospects for the last couple years, so I couldn't get married even if I wanted to.
>>28588055
You would go outside unprotected if there was as high as a 30% chance you would suffer a horrible death from skin cancer? Wow, not only do you have a reading comprehension problem, but you also have a problem with risk analysis.
I should have realized how poor your risk analysis skills are when you said that marriage is a great idea at a 50% divorce rate. That's a 50% chance to lose half of everything you own (including your own dog and children). I don't see how you can mock someone for avoiding that commitment when there is no clear benefit whatsoever. Why should I take a risk if there is zero clear reason to do so? There's a 50% chance to have your life totally destroyed, you can't provide any benefit at all or reason for why you should take that chance, and you're also condescendingly mocking someone who makes the very logical and obvious choice to avoid the risk.
I think you should go ahead and get that IQ test done, son, because I'm sure the chance of you being retarded is far higher than 50%.
>>28588386
>if you need a "lifelong" feature, it's like saying you have a 50% chance of being a fat
Not the guy you're replying to, but if you somehow think this is an equivalent analogy, then you have no business calling other people retards.
Do normies think it's simply just as easy as making a decision to get married? I am a 24 year old virgin, before I could even begin to think about marriage there are quite a few things that would have to happen.
>>28588386
>1. there isn't a 50% chance to get divorced either, dummy
Yes there is. Source: >>28587546
Let's see your sources or any explanation for what you believe. You post simple sentences filled with stupid ideas without any elaboration, while also acting like a smug motherfucker.
2. Yeah I do call it a bad deal that has nothing to do with divorce rates. Yeah. That's what I said. Good job you can read. Do you have a point? You're just restating what I said, exactly. Is there a point you're making here besides "I'm mad and dumb and I will express my random anger by writing these poorly explained posts"?
>>28584626
This absolutely REEKS of the Jews.
>>28588521
>get BTFO
>not the guy you're replying to
:) me neither tbo.
>>28588525
this guy has the right idea. most people are too stupid, poor, or useless to make this sort of decision, and it certainly won't be based on what a youtube video says one way or the other.
>muh bad deal for men i heard about some scary stories on reddit XD
>>28587516
Because women are life on easy mode. Expecting anything from such lower life forms is laughable.
>>28588386
>>28587770
>>28588055
Bro how do you come up with a progressively worse chance-based analogy in every single post you make. I don't know how you do it. These analogies don't even make sense. They're not even remotely true. It's not even like a cartoon picture of reality, it's just simply false. "there is a 1/2 chance of being fat"... What the fuck does that even mean?
also why are you calling other people dumb
>>28588565
http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/Pages/overweight-obesity-statistics.aspx
my point was that a "50% threat of divorce" sounds like "50% chance of being retarded." what exactly is your problem? you're so happy being alone right? you have that huge money pool and happiness and are carefree. no need to have a heart attack because i pointed out something that you think is irrelevant.
>mfw virgins
>>28587686
Considering he has no first hand experience himself, yes, it's definitely less valid, would you take medical advice from a mechanic ?
>>28584626
It's not marriage that motivates a huge change in a man's psyche, it's children.
>>28588684
>i don't believe in statistics!
are you a woman?
>>28587624
>if you're a dysfunctional idiot then that's a personal issue.
Oh ho ho ho ho ho ho ho.
What is this? Are you saying only dysfunctional idiots get divorced? Sorry to break it to you, but women don't need a reason to divorce men anymore. Women will divorce their husbands just because they're "bored."
I'm not going to risk everything I own because my wife might wake up on the wrong side of the bed one day. This is not a problem of my character, but a problem inherent of marriage itself.
Just look at this shit:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/yourtango/10-most-common-reasons-people-divorce_b_8086312.html
>>28588728
No, "50% threat of divorce" does not "sound like" having a "50% chance of being retarded."
There actually is a 1 in 2 incidence of divorce in our society.
There is only a 2 or 3 in one hundred incidence of mental retardation.
One of these things is actually TRUE and one of these things, the thing that you made up on the spot, is completely FALSE. In what ways do those things "sound like" each other. You are incompetent with words and you are very bad at expressing what you mean.
It is TRUE that if you decide to get married, there is a roughly 40% to 50% chance that it will fail and end in divorce, completely ruining your life.
>>28584676
dumb puppyposter
>>28588772
Where did he say he didn't believe in statistics? He pointed out, ironically, that you don't seem to believe in statistics. That's why he said it's ridiculous for you to conjure a random totally-made-up statistic on the spot in every post you've been making. If anyone doesn't believe in statistics, it's you, because you just randomly make your own up every time you post.
>>28588912
>completely ruining your life.
yeah but only if you're a male.
>>28588872
>huff post
yeah ill look at it no prob bro ;)
listen you take the risks you want and live your life, but the argument is weak as shit if you're deciding your future by the failures of other men or the "inherent" problem of a commitment that worked fine for people for thousands of years. there are actually plenty of good arguments to hold off on marriage or just have kids without the certificate. but you just sound like a fedora tipping loser just sayin
>>28588872
80% of divorces are initiated by women.
Marriage is basically promising a woman half your shit that she'll not want to take half your shit and fuck other men in your bed in your house without you around more than doing those same things except with you around. Either way you're fucked.
>>28588912
>divorce ruins your life
kek. then why are you claiming that single men have it better than married men? even if we're talking about alimony which can be avoided, is your entire life just based on how much money you have?
and i'm using "retard" as in "sub 100 iq." i can use idiot if you want. and the cancer and the obesity risks are even more relevant and TRUE.
>>28588772
>you come into the thread
>you get angry for no reason
>you start posting weird non-factual statistics that you clearly ripped out of your own ass that aren't even remotely true at all
>use these to form strange pseudo-arguments that aren't even logical
>all of this in reply to a guy that is using statistics correctly and citing known, factual statistical data about divorce rates
>accuse others of not respecting statistics
yeah the chance of you being mentally retarded is 80+%
pls get that iq test man
Oh Jesus fucking Christ fuck you. I wanted to be married, family and all. I'm more than capable of earning for a family, I'm earning quite a bit for myself. But I can't get married because women hate me because I'm ugly.
>>28589003
>commitment that worked fine for people for thousands of years.
Until divorce court became common place and destroyed the very foundation of that commitment in less than 50 years.
>deciding your future by the failures of other men
Why are you saying divorce is a man's fault? It's women who overwhelmingly file for divorce and it's women who have custody and alimony wildly skewed in their favor.
>the argument is weak as shit if you're deciding your future by the failures of other men
Yeah, I'm so stupid for using facts to make decisions. I should be more like you and use my feewings when making decisions that could financially ruin me.
>>28589127
i can't take that IQ test because a lot of other people have low IQ scores, man.
I'm so scared!
>>28589192
failing an IQ test won't take away half your income for the rest of your life.
marriage will.
>>28584626
>get married I swear it's awesome you will be a more productive wageslave
>>28589165
are there any facts that are relevant to your own life or do you just live through the experiences of other people?
>man's fault
it doesn't matter if you think courts or women or men or you are responsible for the marriage being decent, i'm saying you should work on making your argument mean something. this is a pretty fundamental part of how people live their lives, and acting like the outcome of that commitment is just a random change in weather one day won't resonate with people very well. why go to school if you might not get a job one day? why get a job if you might get sick one day? it's all garbage mentality that looks like desperation.
>>28589119
>have kids
>get emotionally attached to them
>decide to work another 2 shifts every week just to support them because you love them so much
>your wife claims you're emotionally distant and divorces you
>legally takes your kids
>legally takes half your money
>legally takes your house
>legally takes your own dog that you had before you even started dating her
>legally forces you to pay her 1/3 of your pay check every month
Marriage is about sacrifice. You make a sacrifice for the greater good of your children. You sacrifice everything, including your own free time and personal health, to take on a life of work and stress. There is a 50% chance that this sacrifice will be completely disrespected and the wife will take everything you worked from away from you, including the children you love. Yes this is "life ruining" you fucking retard. Why are you "keking" at that?
No my entire life is not "just based on how much money I have." If you don't see it's life ruining to work so much that you have no time to do anything for yourself except sleep and cut the grass on weekends, only to have the reason for your dedication (the kids) stolen away from you, then you're being willfully obtuse.
>>28589220
>i have no clue what i'm talking about
actually higher IQ correlates with higher income so..
>>28589119
Look man you have multiple people talking to you and they're all saying you're fucking stupid. You still haven't said YOUR POINT. WHAT IS THE POINT? MAKE YOUR FUCKING POINT!
>>28588738
Nice ad hominem reasoning, you sure told him
>>28589192
Taking an IQ test won't change your life in any way from what it is now. You will still be the exact same person with the same way of life.
If you get married your entire life changes in every single imaginable aspect.
You are casually conflating going out and writing on a piece of paper with entering a life long legal contract of unending dedication and choosing to live in the same house as another human being for the rest of eternity.
Can you not see how fucking stupid you are being right now? Is it not blatantly obvious to you?
>>28584626
>quotes an economist to support his point
>the economist is a jew
Holy shit, why is /pol/ ALWAYS right?
>some people ITT unironnicaly believe that because marriage worked for thousands of years in a slowly moving world it still has to be relevant nowadays in a fast changing world
Hard to concieve but not that far fetched when you know that some people also advocated for a ban of automobile because horses were perfectly fine
>Stimulate and keep the economy going, goyim!
An asteroid needs to come and wipe us all out already.
>>28589341
>being single is better because you don't lose your kids
your moldy argument is about as relevant as me saying that anybody who is single lives in the basement of their moms house and kills himself at age 30 when he realizes that the cops are on to his child porn habits.
you clearly have no grasp of what divorce means for most people, let alone what marriage is like. opinion discarded. you have a 60% chance of never finding someone to take you seriously if you post here.
>>28589312
>do you just live through the experiences of other people?
>this is a pretty fundamental part of how people live their lives
You're pretty fucking stupid if you don't see the contradiction here.
Fun fact: these statistics are indicative of the general populace, and I am a part of the general populace.
>why go to school if you might not get a job one day?
men are dropping out of school for this very reason. Why spend $50k on an education if it's no promise for a job?
>why get a job if you might get sick one day?
you've lost me. What the fuck are you on about?
>>28589407
..That guy (>>28588738) is completely correct though. First of all, it's not "ad hominem reasoning." That is not what he did at all. You Phil101 kids are fucking grating, I see you all the time on 4chan. You use these terms you learned in Phil101 but you use them incorrectly and clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It's not "ad hominem" to CORRECTLY apply argumentum ad verecundiam, known to you as an argument from authority.
You probably learned in Phil101 that arguments from authorty "are a fallacy GRRR!!! bad!!!!!" However, arguments from authority ARE valid if the area of expertise aligns with the person's authority. For example, "8 out of 10 dentists say The Playstation 4 is great!" is fallacious. PS4 has nothing to do with dentistry. However, "10 out of 10 dentists say brushing your teeth every night is a good thing!" is NOT a fallacious argument and it actually is a strong, logically sound argument that brushing your teeth every night is good.
What that poster was saying is that his argument IS cheapened somewhat because he is not an authority on marriage, having never been married himself. His argument is based on other statistical data so it isn't cheapened very much by this fact, but it is still a valid point to bring up.
>>28584626
>Men are incapable of having ambition or being hard working unless they are married.
Yeah. Sure.
>>28589524
Yes, being single is better because you don't lose your kids. Yes, that's true.
Being single is better because you can do whatever you want with your time. You don't make sacrifices for anyone, only to have those sacrifices ignored and disrespected.
You still haven't told me what your point is. What is your point. Hello? Are you there? I'll start you off: "My point is that marriage is ___________" there you go. There's your free start!
>>28589343
but taking the actual IQ test has no influence over your earning power.
>>28589412
>knowing your IQ won't change your life in any way
tell that to the autists on this board my good man.
>>28589367
are you daft? i'm saying even if you are edgy about your own possibility of marriage, you can make a much more cohesive argument than "50% of people break it off at one point." it's like a 50% chance of being married in the first place right? so you could just extend the logic to saying men don't decide to get married either, they just randomly flip a coin in life and half of them get married and the other half don't.
maybe you're poor, or a bad judge of character, or inexperienced, or your are married to your job. maybe you don't trust people in general. fine, buddy. but the fact that a bunch of wrinkly old men get divorced won't affect how your marriage goes.
>>28589640
>tell that to the autists on this board my good man.
You're saying knowing your IQ will change your life on the same level as choosing to share everything you own with another person for all of eternity? You are saying these 2 things are similar?
You're clearly wrong man, and this whole discussion right now about the iq tests comes from a careless statistic you made up 40 posts ago that you pulled out of your ass. Why don't you just say you were being retarded when you posted that and we can all just move on. You're clearly wrong but you won't buy back the dumb statement you made, no matter how many people point out how dumb it obviously is.
>>28589617
>whatever you want
what i wanted was to get married and have kids. and hardly any of it felt like a sacrifice. i still shitpost and play video games and there are a lot of things i used to have to do i don't have to anymore.
this is where you are exactly on point and i completely agree though. you should do what you feel is right, instead of getting too scared because someone else failed and complaining about it.
>>28584676
Also forgot to mention all that hard work you do to earn those extra dollars, you can't use on yourself
my parents never got married and they were fine.
>>28589640
>i'm saying even if you are edgy about your own possibility of marriage, you can make a much more cohesive argument than "50% of people break it off at one point." it's like a 50% chance of being married in the first place right? so you could just extend the logic to saying men don't decide to get married either, they just randomly flip a coin in life and half of them get married and the other half don't.
This whole strange, rambling "argument" demonstrates that this poster has no idea how statistics work or what they mean. I have not even posted until now, I've been reading the post chain. It's not worth talking to this guy anymore. These sentences prove he has no clue how stats actually work or how to apply them to the real world.
>>28589640
>the fact that a bunch of wrinkly old men get divorced won't affect how your marriage goes.
but it does.
If most marriages end in divorce, mine likely will. If most people lose the powerball lottery, my ticket will most likely lose too. If tornados tend to destroy houses in tornado alley, I should avoid building a house in tornado alley.
>hurr, but all those houses destroyed in tornado alley weren't your house. You should build one there and make sure you build it super strong, then you won't be like all those idiots who lost their house in a tornado.
Or or I could just not build a house in tornado alley, instead.
>>28585276
T.Single lady
>>28589745
there is a lot of social stigma to having a low IQ to be honest.
>other people are dumb therefore i won't risk getting a bad IQ score :)
>>28589808
you know the one thing Ive always found ridiculous about the godzilla movies is after all the monster attacks, people sill decide to live there.
>>28587087
Oh boy mr merchant I'll be sure to get married and work extra hard and while I'm at it I'll volunteer to go to prison
>>28589760
No, marriage isn't "whatever you want." It's whatever you plus your wife want, and often times those interests conflict. Just because you and your wife are complacent with you sitting in a trailer in kentucky shitposting while your kids run around unsupervised doesn't mean that normal people will have the same experience.
By the way, you sound like a great parent. You don't raise your kids or work a job, you just sit around posting crap on the internet and playing League of Gay Animal Clicking for hours every night. What a competent parent raising awesome non-robot kids who will succeed in every aspect of life!
>>28584626
>yes, good goy, marry and join the army you will get healthcare and housing
top kek americans
>having more money and being more "productive" is a good thing
hahaha perfect instance of slave mentality
>>28589640
>but the fact that a bunch of wrinkly old men get divorced won't affect how your marriage goes.
So let me get this straight. For some reason you recognize the 50% divorce statistic, know that it's true, but at the same time you think "hmm those 50% of people are everyone else. it's not me or anyone i know. it's not even anyone i talk to on the internet. it wont' ever affect anyone i ever talk to. those HALF of people who get divorced are just ' ' ' ' ' ' ' wrinkly old men ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' and i don't talk to old men so everything is good :^)"
yeah that other guy is right. you have no idea how statistics work.
the 50% of people getting divorced aren't people who knew they would get divorced beforehand. nobody goes into a marriage thinking "haha i am going to get divorced" stupid fuckstain. the point is that you have no idea, going into it, if your wife is going to divorce you. you just have a hope that she won't. that's it. and the chance that she won't is only about half.
>>28589839
You don't have to tell anyone your IQ score.
>>28584626
I'd get married if literally half of America's marriages weren't failing.
Also I'd need a gf, which I've never had.
>>28590048
yes you do, its the law.
>>28589808
i don't see how you're drawing the line at building a house or getting married if your philosophy is that divorce is just a random chance event.
>>28589799
>how statistics work
don't get so upset, there's a high chance that this kind of negativity will lead to health problems.
>>28584626
I don't want to think for others when I'm trying to work on personal growth.
I am more happy with friends in a bar than I am with a fucking family in church.
I will likely find a better job focusing on personal education and personal growth than going into the fucking army.
I will "settle down" when I'm fucking happy with my own life.
Fuck off collectivist republicunts.
>inb4 le libtard, le athiest prejoritive
>>28589760
>what i wanted was to get married and have kids. and hardly any of it felt like a sacrifice.
Aaaaand that's how I know your little brats are shit stains. If you don't feel like it's a sacrifice to raise children, you are doing it wrong. The amount of time you have to spend to correctly raise children is enormous. It is a sacrifice. If you are spending that time video gaming instead of philosophizing and spending time with your kids, then you're just okay with raising bad kids. That's fine I guess, but I would question why you even choose to have kids if you're going to do a mediocre job at it.
>>28589640
>but the fact that a bunch of wrinkly old men get divorced
>build life with Stacy
>save for retirement
>get old
>bitch leaves you
>takes your retirement and social security
>forced to sell house you spent thirty years paying for so she can get the money
>she moves in with one of the kids, tells them you're a child molester and can't see your grandchildren
>you die alone in a one room shack
The only acceptable plan for marriage is to have some roastie pop out a few kids for you, then have her killed when her eyes wander.
>>28584626
> See thumbnail
> Go on and judge the book by its cover, because it's why a book has a fucking cover
Marriage is an outdated business/contract model with bad practices and murky rules in the guise of a religious, spiritual, and/or social ceremony for those involved. It's just that simple.
> Outdated
Sex outside of marriage would get your social status fucked up in the old days, specifically because religious leaders were usually (and still sometimes are) more powerful than state leaders in swaying public opinion. More conspiratorially angled minds will notice that religions which support marriage and antagonize people who perform sex outside of marriage, are also the religions that benefit most from have marriages performed in their houses of worship. (andensure there's always more followers being into the cult to continue the cycle, yes i said it, go fuck yourself)
> Murky rules
One example is when women were not allowed to work or even vote, a common theme was to provide the ex-dependent with monetary support until she was able to find a new partner to support her; people really didn't like seeing starved-to-death women on the streets, imagine that. This rule was apparently never updated when women became able to not only work to support themselves but also to vote, and in some cases still exists even after the woman remarries.Gee, can't imagine why you'd want to keep that rule around.
> Religious ceremony
Gay marriage debate. Religion lost its ability to hand out legally binding marriages and decides to deny people the use of its buildings instead, making a defacto ban on a section of society from one of the functions of society (inclusion)
0/10 cultural relic
would not even update to modern times
>>28589910
>marriage isn't whatever you want
kek. and being alone isn't whatever you want either ;)
sorry about your mommy issues or whatever you have going on there.
>>28590010
i believe that people are different based on class/race/region not to mention their taste in women and how they approach relationships. lumping everyone into a single statistic is pretty fucking retarded, and saying you can't get married because you are 50% likely to only enjoy it for 30 years is twice as bad. i'm totally fine with you saying you probably won't enjoy it in the first place because of XYZ that is relevant to you personally. but some boomer gets cucked and you get scared of women? c'mon man there's nothing to be proud of there.
>>28590170
A solid, reasoned argument? On my /r9k/?
>>28590139
>correctly
you know this is no different from saying that to live correctly you need to get married right?
spending time with my family doesn't feel like a sacrifice because it's what i want to do. i made no impression that im always shitposting, doctor, and i doubt you grew up spending 100% of the day on your daddys lap.
> Haha marriage is for plebs! What a stupid way of life!
Says the guys living at home, playing video games and watching anime during the prime of their lives posting on 4Chan about how miserable they all are.
I think I'd take his advice over you guys.
>>28590096
>if your philosophy is that divorce is just a random chance event.
Holy fuckiNG SHIT you are so fucking BAD at expressing yourself. Take a fucking writing class kid. It has taken you THIS LONG to express why you have this strange obsession with nagging at posters who post the factual divorce rate. You have FINALLY explained yourself and it has taken you, what, 13 posts to do so?
You are nagging about everyone posting the 50% divorce rate statistic because you think that only people who "deserve to get divorced" are part of that 50% who get ultimately get divorced. You think they don't try hard enough to stay together or whatever. Your problem is that you think that the people posting that think it's just a random coin flip and you can't tell what's going to happen.
Now here is why you are wrong: Most of those people who get divorced ARE trying really hard to make it work. You think those people want to go through the trouble of getting married, getting the families together, sending out notifications to everyone, having the parties and moving in together, and all of that will be for nothing? You think those people will just give up instantly at the first sign of trouble? You think all of those people just "like, aren't trying hard enough, man, like, marriage is what you want it to be, man. yeah." That's clearly fucking stupid. Nobody gets married if they think it will end in divorce.
Everyone when they first get married say "I am so in love with this person. We will be together forever." Everyone says that and thinks that. Point being you have no way of knowing if you will go into a marriage saying and thinking it will last forever, but 5 years later it goes to shit when she starts cheating, or if you actually do end up staying together forever. You have no way of knowing. That's the whole point. The whole point is: why take the risk if you have no way of knowing how it will end up, and there is zero benefit to getting married?
The argument is bullshit anyway, because women in the 19-35 bracket who are single and careerist make more money than men of that bracket anyway.
Women are literally capable of taking care of themselves, this idea that a man needs to "man up" and take care of anyone but themselves is bullshit.
And besides, what if Taulbee actually was more happy living in his grandparents basement, and shitposting on the internet?
>>28590233
You're not even making sense dude. I feel sorry for your kids who have to deal with a shitposting dad who would rather write illogical shit on an interracial bestiality porn board than play catch with them
>>28590320
you still haven't give anyone a single logical reason they should get married
>>2859036
>why take the risk
i wouldn't want you to take the risk. i'm saying your reasoning is bad for not taking it. risk is part of anything you do. like you said, you find no benefits in a relationship. but to forfeit everything you want in life (if it's a good family of your own) because you think humans flip a coin and suddenly are divorced is sad and unconvincing.
>>28590350
Yeah I'm sure a man in his late 40s and has 3 kids and a nagging wife who has probably fucked the whole neighborhood is more happy than us.
>>28590544
>robots are happy
hmm this board is interesting sometimes. i guess we should stop taking robot problems seriously and help married men who come here feel better.
>>28590602
>married men who come here
Why the fuck would they?
>>28590618
because they have much worse lives than you. why wouldn't they?
>>28590630
Because married people are the ultimate normies.
>unmarried guy wearing an anarchy shirt
wew lad
>>28590602
>i guess we should stop taking robot problems seriously
You should hopefully, because that means you'll leave.
Kindly go and stay go.
>>28590655
you're being a bully to be honest. have some empathy for people who don't have it as good as you.
>>28590691
>empathy
The word you're looking for is sympathy, friendo
>you're being a bully
Oh abloo-bloo-bloo.
>>28584837
why do I keep seeing people post stuff like number(number in word form) what does it mean?
First of all you are all brainwashed.
What does getting married mean?
Getting married is exactly signing contract and doesn't have any other value to that, you can't aruge that has different value whatsoever.
You won't magically grow up if you sign piece of paper and go to ceremony in church...stupid being so dumb naive.
Like many things in life, marriage was invented for reason for church to exploit people for mo money. In this case state to exploit people of their resources .
>>28590756
>only men with lesser intelligence and the gullible get married now days
There are good quality men that marry good quality women and have good quality marriages.
These marriages are the exception and these people most certainly don't touch /r9k/ intending to shitpost.
>tfw the thread at the start was good, then came in the delusional people
>>28585276
Care to explain why there's a 50% divorce rate if these married couples are oh so happy?
>>28590707
>parents happily together 27 years
>her parents together 34 years
>friends all married for 5-10 years
>coworkers married and go to all events together
My ass is hairy, friend.
>>28589905
>sarcasm is funny
please don't get married. it's too hard for you lol
CONSUME
MARRY
REPRODUCE
MORE BLOOD AND FLESH FOR THE BEAST
>>28590756
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/06/marriage-is-for-rich-people/?_r=0
>>28589567
You're trying to have a rational with a chick, dude
A rational argument with chick who's mad is a waste of time.
>>28584626
I just went through the comments section of this vid. Was not disappointed
>>28589567
>Why spend $50k on an education if it's no promise for a job?
i know this fucking feel
jesus christ man fuck the university system and their scam
>>28590881
From "They Live"
>>28590831
Family lawyer shill detected
>>28587686
He's not married? The guy is head of some National Marriage Promotion Institute or some shit, what the fuck?
>also looks like he downloads gay porn in between talking about how much he hates homosexuals
>>28588872
According to your chart, men break up with women because they're bored almost a third more frequently than women.
Why the fuck should they risk everything only to have you walk out the door because of a bad hair day?
they need to MAN UP and get married to a superhot woman like myself. I'm 300 pounds of REAL WOMAN okay. If you can't handle me then I guess you just have a small penis and love men instead!
>YOU GO GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRL
>YOU TELL 'EM
>WHOOP THERE IT IS! WHOOP THERE IT IS!
>Comedy Central Presents: Aging Stacy "Man up and pay for Chads baby! Comedy tour"
>>28591772
Cute loli. Would consider marriage, but the orange hair has to go.
>>28590058
The fun part is those statistics severely underestimate number of failed marriages. It only goes to 5 years. I bet the percentage of failed marriages over a person's lifespan is much worse.
>>28591866
>Cute loli.
Shes like 8 and has the face of a 40 year old >.>
>>28591919
She's just scowling because the blob is touching her. I'm sure she's prettier when she smiles.
>>28592102
>touching her
I think you mean groping her boob >.>
Don't try to underplay it
That isn't just a "touch"
>>28587686
>Are you trying to imply his argument is less valid because he's not married himself?
its like a tobacco spokesman that say the health effect of second hand smoke is exaggerated and then the next day through a fit ever some guy smoking a cigarette near his kids.
>>28592150
I didn't want to be the one to say it. But she needs some time apart from her mother, and probably an introduction to good dieting habits.
>>28592150
Proof of the female pedo
>>28592159
I don't understand. Is that supposed to be an analogy?
>>28585276
They are much more likely to say they are happy. Obviously they aren't going to say "this was the biggest mistake of my life and I want out".
