>mfw confronted my mom about how my upbringing socially and emotionally stunted me
>mentioned how my life was basically school then vidya, how we never did anything as a family and she and my dad just seemed uninterested in interacting with me
>she started crying and called me a liar, told me to gtfo of her house>mfw I secretly feel like shit even though I know I'm right and she's wrong
Take responsibility for yourself anon.
>Just from school to video games
>Never made any effort to make any friends
>Hurr this is my parent's fault
I seriously hope you're trolling.
good job anon. she deserved it
>>28557314
>>28557341
>It's the childs fault
God when will you roastie loving normie faggots fuck off?
>>28557341
yeah children should raise themselves and know how stuff they do will affect their development. gtfo normal
Who /no father figure/ here?
>>28557300
I understand the desire to blame your parents.
Myself, my parents seemed largely uninterested in me during my youth, leaving me with my grandmother.
But then again, it was MY decision to be a recluse. It was I who, instead of going out to play with the other kids decided to stay home and watch cartoon and play games.
Yeah, my parents did fuck up. But in the end, I think it's mainly my fault I turned out to be a shitstain on this earth.
Not saying your parents are blameless, but neither are you.
Did she put a roof over your head? Did she keep you from starving to death? Did she refrain from beating you and screaming at you constantly?
Then shut the fuck up. You only have yourself to blame. You should listen to Adam Carolla about this topic- his mother was a depression-case who barely interacted with him and his father was just as ineffectual as a parent. He says he has no good memories of family times and he doesn't even know where his parents are living, but he's successful and doesn't blame his parents for anything. That's the key, you're holding onto blame when you should be trying to move past it.
>>28557314
I sort of agree. I believe the blame can allocated on both sides. Does not matter now. You're socially and emotionally retarded, start playing clean-up I guess. Try reaching out to your fellow autists and frogposters, it isn't too late to get friendly.
>>28557369
You were in school for 12 years.
12 YEARS. And you are going to tell me you couldn't make a single friend? well that's your fault.
>>28557300
You'll regret it later after you move out. You'll get out through your head at some point that if you had thought of things to say to her and put effort into being interesting she would have payed more attention. Then you'll look back on those memories not with cringe but with sorrow, you'll realize that when she's on your death bed you'll remember again but it'll be ten times worse.
Not being antagonistic, I'm just posting my own experience
>>28557300
So then why didn't you ever approach them instead of just expecting them to drop everything and entertain you? Christ you're like those loner kids who sat by themselves since the start of the school year and then complained that they never made any friends.
Pretty sure shitty parents are going to cause kids to be fucked up no matter what. I think it's extremely rare to be normal if you had shitty parents.
>>28557434
>>28557438
It really is my parents' fault tho. You can't treat a kid like a goldfish and expect them to turn out as a Chad.
>>28557440
I do have friends...this has to do with how I feel lonely around my own family. My friends are the only people I have felt not alone around.
>>28557462
>>28557463
Yes children need attention from their parents. Go ahead act uninterested in your children and see how much they like you when they're grown up.
>>28557300
I kind of have the opposite with my parents. We get along okay but our relationship is very robotic and awkward. Occasionally my mum will complain about 'how you never came downstairs to talk to us' or 'never want to do anything with us'. But then I remind her that she never approached me either and that if she wanted to spend time with me then she should have initiated it. In any case; talking about it just stirs up bad emotions in the both of us and it's best to just let the matter lie and try to develop an adult relationship with your parents instead, as you'll never get the one you wanted as a child.
>>28557314
Your a fucking idiot.its not his fault wat was imprinted on his brain when he was a child>>28557440
He was forced to go to school against his will by the government .
>>28557434
and other people are neglected and physical and sexually abused by their parents and guardians and turn out just fine. if you don't have the best outcome for every awful hand life deals with you you're objectively a bad person and responsible for everything. likewise, everything you ever do to anybody doesn't matter because children and adults traumatised by a lifetime of pain are perfectly capable of controlling their emotions and outlook.
t. solipsistic normalfag that nonetheless likes to lecture people on responsibility
>>28557440
Where do you got this from op post? Having no friends is not a problem, compare with being clingy
>>28557515
That doesn't answer my question. If OP wanted attention from his parents then why didn't he initiate contact with them? Kids do that shit all the time.
>>28557555
>In any case; talking about it just stirs up bad emotions in the both of us and it's best to just let the matter lie and try to develop an adult relationship with your parents instead, as you'll never get the one you wanted as a child.
You're right. I don't know what I'm expecting desu. I'm never going to change the past by arguing with them. I'm moving out of state in 2 weeks, all I can do is start my life anew. And if I have kids I can try and not make the same mistakes.
>>28557609
I am OP. mostly they didn't really want to do anything. They're almost like robots. They like to sit around and watch TV and browse the internet and do a whole lot of nothing.
>inb4 bootstrapping anon says you weren't beat enough
>>28557660
Well then odds are they only feel the way they do now because they feel they ought to and probably had a kid, you, because they felt they ought to do that too. Do what >>28557555
said and try to build a relationship with them now. You've got nothing to lose and it may help to mend some of your bitterness.
Jesus you're an asshole OP. Don't blame your mom that you turned out as one of us.
My house was a lonely dormitory/cafeteria. I went home and everybody fucked off to their own corner of the house and did whatever. Is it my fault too? As a kid I should have initiated everything? I guess so. My parents think I'm some sort of sociopath, they've said so before. Maybe they're right and there's really nothing they could've done. Or maybe they're just trying to avoid responsibility. I'll never know for sure. Time to move on.
>tfw people defending parents are shit parents themselves or never ever will have children and if they do they won't have custody rights
ironic really.
>>28557300
Did you know that if you're not touched enough as a child you can literally stop growing? Ain't that some shit. If you're shorter than average/the rest of your family that might be why.
Your post just got me thinking about that.
>>28557300
>be born
>dad is an Alpha Chad
>mom couldn't stand his personality
>she leaves him when I'm 5
>move to another city and lose the few friends I had in the school
>get bullied a lot in new school
>grow up without a father figure
>Had I been raised by my dad, I wouldn't be posting this right now
>Bitch even has the nerve to ask me why I'm on the computer everyday and why I don't have a gf
Fuck everything
>>28557750
Same here. Single mom who was too busy and too poor at the end of the day to plan a Grand Canyon trips or make sure I took up an instrument or took all AP classes as an upperclassman or buy the family a bunch of kayaks to use on the weekends.
I don't blame her though. OP you should apologize. Raising kids is hard enough.
>>28557300
your dumbass should've done those outside activities on your own its not your mothers fault .
>>28557300
Anon go apply for section 8 and ssi now, not later. You'll wish you could thank me once you've got all the pieces in place. Also food stamps, get food stamps.
>>28557894
>no father figure
>tfw is still cannot talk to women, change my own oil, or be comfortably racist
>>28557894
Good ol women, I wonder why they even have children, especially if they don't know how to raise them to ba normals. What a selfish thing to do.
>hurr durr it's your own fault
Fucking normies I swear
>>28557905
lel why lie on the internet
>>28557300
>she started crying and called me a liar
this shows that she knows the truth anon, in a few days she will feel guilty and accept that she ruined any chances of you having an independent life and let you live there for free forever. Good luck anon, ignore these asshole normies
>>28557978
this, and combine that with autism and shitty school life and it's a recipe for disaster, the opposite extreme of being way too overbearing can fuck up a child for life as well
I've never full on blamed her for how I turned out, but my mother gets really upset and denies everything when I bring up negative things from my childhood.
>>28557978
OP said his parents were detached and disinterested, not that they locked him in a closet, where he was removed only for daily beatings and public shaming.
>>28557300
it's ok man women cry over dropping a pancake it doesn't really matter
>>28557997
about what? not a lie in that post.
>>28557300
Well, OK.
You've acknowledged the source of all your problems.
Now, what will you do next? You probably haven't even lived a third of your life. Are you going to spend the next 50 years or more a bitter, stunted, asocial failure because of this, or are you going to mature into someone better?
>>28558062
i cry when i drop panacake's too
>>28557905
>Raising kids is hard enough.
maybe don't set out to do it then if you can't do it properly
>>28558117
jus b urself and will ur matured brain into redeveloping like normal anon ;)>>28557978
my mum sheltered me. she kicks me out every so ofter so i go to my dad's. although i'm quite manipulative, i fake suicided when my mum was on holiday and she was crying down the phone.
>>28558059
So there are no greys, only orphan and Chad, by the way my parents pretty much forgot my sister existed and now she is mentally ill. When you get a sibling you catch a glimpse of how your parents where really with you
>it was your fault
>you should have made the effort
>dont blame parents for your own choices
>you're old enough to know better now so deal with it
But the parent who was even older than the robots you are telling are old enough to know better wasn't smart enough to ensure their children learn these basic rules?
Whats the cut off point? Do you tell a 16 year old to stop being shy? What about a 12 year old? Is a 10 year old making a conscious choice to stunt their growth?
>>28557341
parents are supposed to teach their children social skills
it was just her mother's fault for not raising a good mother, so it's not her fault :^)
it was all pre-determined :^)
At least you got to go to school where you had classmates and teachers to emulate
I didn't get that
It's like there's this language that everyone else knows but I don't
>>28557300
So what would should your parents have done differently?
>>28558179
your sister is weak. what do you want from me?
does it have an effect? yeah
but if we all look at our upbringing chances are we will all take fault with something or other, so what? we're all doomed from the start?
you do what you can, or you can complain to your parents and see if that works
>>28557300
I thought about doing something similar with my family OP but I realized it would be regressive. Looking backwards instead of forwards.
Maybe my parents fucked my shit up and maybe they didn't. Ultimately I'm responsible for moving forward with my life. A big part of that is keeping my relationships steady. It's not healthy to bemoan the past when thinking about the present. If your life is shit you should be thinking about how to fix it, not what caused it.
I don't think you really did much more than strain your relationship with your mother in the present. Maybe it felt cathartic in the moment but I doubt it will have been worth it in the long run.
Personally I'm working on forgiveness.
Since when does it have to be a parents or your own fault? I was a normalfag pretty much up to middle school but as I got older my friends and I just grew into different people. A lot of them didnt, so I inevitably became less popular with them.
Then my parents moved before high school starts, and from there on I never had friends. I just couldn't meet anyone who shared some hobbies or shared my sense of humor, and I became an outcast. That made me grow socially anxious, and now years later im still dealing with it.
I eventually reached out to a counselor about it who completely didnt understand. Then I went on to another counselor who tried to introduced me to "people i had things in common with" and it was literally a bunch of massive, fat, smelly neckbeards wearing naruto shirts and shit.
Unless theres some undiagnosed autism playing a role in it, it was just something I grew into for me. Normalfags make me feel alienated and I never feel like theres a click or potential with anyone. My father is the same way too, and actually tried to raise me into being more social and competent than he is, and look where we are.
>>28557418
>>28557341
>>28557314
Not OP but I tried to make something out of myself and the friends networks and career path I had was ruined by my neutotic mother over a text message. You guys imply no effort was made but I truly tried to be normal and fought depression all these years but at this point I just gave up because it took me my entire primary school experience.
I can't get those years back.
She lives her life partying and hanging out, on social media and relationships so I tell her I have none of these things and she pities me and leaves me alone now
I have a job though.
I didn't really need that much attention from my parents, I wish they would have pushed me more in school or moved out of the ghetto and put me in a nicer school. Now I'm 23 and I can barely do basic math, that is 100% their fault.
>>28557300
Honestly man I know where you're coming from. My upbringing stunted my development in more ways than one. I think my mother tried, she just didn't know how to do it right. You can't really blame her because her parents didn't know how to do it right either. It's very much cyclical.
I will say that my mother made stupid decisions that she should have known better not to make. There's not much you can do about it though. I could tell her about these things but at this point she's an emotional wreck anyway. If I told her what I really thought it would only make things worse.
The truth is that I'm doing well for myself despite these obstacles that she inadvertently placed in front of me. I still struggle, and it's not going to be easy but what else can I do?
She doesn't make my decisions for me anymore. She doesn't pay my bills anymore. I have to do it myself. I had a tough childhood. I haven't seen my dad in over 10 years because he was a drug addict and my stepfather was abusive, emotionally and physically.
It's very easy for me to put the blame on my mother and she probably deserves it, but it just doesn't do any good making her feel bad about things that have already happened.
It took me a long time to come to peace with this and I still struggle with it. I hope you can too anon.
>>28558461
Me again.
This guy right here >>28558277 gets it.
>>28557369
There's only so long you can blame your parents mate. Anyone over the age of 22 who still clings to their shitty upbringing as an excuse for their failures is just refusing to take responsibility for their life.
>b-but I didn't choose to be born!
Non of us did you windowlicker. That's not an excuse. Either kill yourself or deal with it.
>>28558557
Kys is not an argument.
>>28557341
>robots will cry about this because they know it's true
>>28558117
>Now, what will you do next?
You don't get it, asshole. OP is fucked up permanently (same with me).
You don't fix this shit, you don't get over it, you don't grow out of it. We are broken, and now, we're fucked for life.
It's basic early childhood development, dumbass.
>ITT: normies from loving homes use the just world fallacy yet again
>>28558617
Neither is the 'I didn't choose to be born' bullshit that I see on r9k constantly
>>28558716
Not just world, but it's absurd to go and blame your parents for all of your problems and then harass them for it. Blaming others will never improve your situation, even if you are correct. At best it can bring you vengeance.
>>28557314
>I secretly feel like shit even though I know I'm right and she's wrong
oh i fucking hate that feeling
>need to go to the store
>ask mother
>"sure honey i'll pick you up after i do bla bla bla"
>4 hours later i realize she completely blew me off
>she went to the casino instead
>don't say anything because the fight isn't worth the effort
>next day she wants me to fix something for her
>can't believe she has the audicity to ask after what she did
>say no, tell her i'm still pissed about yesterday
>"lol what"
>pretends that we never had that phone conversation
>acts like i'm an asshole for daring to be upset at her for those actions
>for some reason i feel terrible even though i'm right
fuck
>>28558779
>At best it can bring you vengeance.
that's good enough
>>28557300
My mother was cold and hated me. However, my dad had a WAY harder childhood than me. His dad was an absent alcoholic who only came home to beat the fuck out of his kids. They lived in absolute filth and despair. All of the children turned to crime just to survive since their father refused to spend money on them. If they asked for some they'd get targeted. His mother was a schizophrenic who just blindly followed her husband and carried out his wishes out of fear. Sexual abuse among the children was rampant, my father being the youngest meant he received the worst out of any of them. All of the children raped and beat my father as well out of fear of being the 'chosen one' from their evil parents. My dad was the chosen one almost always. Most of the children from that home are in prison now, committed suicide or are homeless drug addicts. Some of them have incestual down syndrome children together because of rape. Once CPS sent them to foster homes they were just as bad. Slave labor and physical abuse. Nobody gave a fuck. Then he joined the marines to kill himself and endured traumatic shit. Now he is a paranoid schizophrenic that stashes weapons hidden in every nook and cranny of the house. I'm the only person he trusts. His entire body got destroyed while at his job after an incident in which he nearly died. He lost body parts. Some of his friends died that day before his eyes. Now he's disabled and screams when he wakes up from the pain. My mother abandoned us. We are broken people who live in filth.
Me? I'm just an agoraphobic NEET. I wasn't abused. I was sheltered. My mom hated me and my dad because he protected me and let me do what I wanted. He wanted me to be happy. He didn't want to turn out like his father. If I were to blame him, I would be deserving of death. I failed him. I failed everybody. I wish I could turn back time and change it. I wish I could travel to his childhood and save him. I would adopt him and be a good father.
>>28558779
>Blaming others will never improve your situation, even if you are correct. At best it can bring you vengeance.
But it's the truth. You're telling us to ignore the truth?
>mfw everyone in this thread sympathizing with me is talking about how their parents were drug addicts or literally abandoned them
>meanwhile all my parents did was let me rot in front of vidya and ignore me but otherwise it was a completely secure stable household
>mfw I still feel disdain for them for it
>>28558866
your dad needs to man up and get over it anon. tell him to just bee himself and stop blaming other people for his problems.
>>28558998
>BE YOURSELF
the answer to everything in life i love this saying.
>>28558877
why not? you seem to be ignoring some other truths if your looking for a reason to remain shit.
>>28559014
Which truths would that be? I try to see the truth everywhere.
>>28558866
>If I were to blame him, I would be deserving of death.
but you do blame your mom.
it's not like most of us had parents that were *incapable* of parenting, they were just ignorant or indifferent.
>>28557300
Your mother should have taken away your video games and beat you more.
>>28559131
That was his point
>>28557300
>learned zero life skills from parents
>left me basically nothing to get my life started
>didn't even help me get a car or learn to drive
>mfw can see they resent that I'm 26 and living nearly rent free, no car or future
kek I'll wait until you die fuckers, not going anyway
Your upbringing might have fucked you up.
But now you are aware of it and an adult. Now nothing is their fault, fix yourself and your life, you faggot and don't blame circumstances.
>>28558059
>mfw older child
>have one brother
>mother is super attentive towards me, makes me food, brings it to my room, always ask if I'm okay if I'm hungry
>when younger brother asks her for food she tells him to do it himself
>she gets called out on how she prefers me over him
>she denies it
>we both know it's true
Feels good being the first born
>parents completely fuck up in raising you
>grow up to be a mentally-ill loser
>confront them about it one day, knowing the damage can't be undone but simply trying to come to terms with your shitty life
>instead of exercising some self-reflection and admitting they failed as parents, they throw a temper tantrum and blame you for their failures and ineptitude
My mom did this too, OP. These people refuse to entertain the concept that they could be wrong about something, and will do everything in their power to absolve themselves of guilt. If I were my mom and I had raised a messed-up kid like me, I'd be crying myself to sleep every night agonizing over all the terrible life decisions I made to lead up to this point (getting knocked up by a deadbeat drunk Chad who then left me, not getting my obviously mentally-ill son any psychiatric help, not even noticing anything was wrong with him when he had no friends and was scared to go outside, ruining his self-esteem with constant nagging criticism, not teaching him to stand up for himself, and so on).
You literally can't argue with them. They can't comprehend the fact that they fucked up. Guess what? There's more to raising a kid than just feeding it and giving it a place to live, and there's million ways to ruin a kid without ever once hitting or abusing it. But, of course, they'll never admit this and just keep insisting it's all your fault.
>I was responsible for how I turned out
>fucked myself up intentionally just to see how bad I could get
>>28559578
>refuse to entertain the concept that they could be wrong
Do you not see the irony in this?
>>28559660
I never have a problem admitting when I'm wrong. In this case, I don't think I am. It's a parent's responsibility to raise their child. You can't take the credit for bringing up a successful, healthy child and then turn around and claim that you had nothing to do with raising a mentally-ill loser. It doesn't work that way.
>>28558557
>over the age of 22
Since you made your age obvious, I'm going to have to let you in on a little secret sweetiepie: 22 is not an adult. You're not an adult.
You have realized this, yes? You aren't a big boy. You're still a baby. 22 is baby. Live a little longer before trying to give out advice.
>>28558557
All of a person's important mental development by the age of 14. You can determine exactly who will and will not end up like the NEETs here by interviewing a person that age. Fate is fate. Learn to live with it.
Honestly I can't blame they were good parents. Me and my 2 sisters developped the same self-esteem / confidence / inadequacy issues during teenage years so I guess something wrong happened but they did ok.
>>28558557
What other factors besides a person's upbringing affect their upbringing?
>>28558275
The way you're talking makes it obvious you were either abused or you abuse your own children. Nobody else believes parents aren't at fault for raising useless children. You have 18 years to shape a child into a productive member of society. If you fail that task you are a loser beyond comparison.
Also, please don't abuse your children.
>>28558557
Your mind doesn't just reset at the age of 22, retard. The mistakes your parents made will be with you for your entire life, and it's not exactly easy to succeed and completely turn things around if you're fucking stunted and emotionally-crippled.
>>28557750
>I went home and everybody fucked off to their own corner of the house
This still happens to this day in my house, the family room really is dead.
>>28558695
>You don't get it, asshole. OP is fucked up permanently (same with me).
>You don't fix this shit, you don't get over it, you don't grow out of it. We are broken, and now, we're fucked for life.
>It's basic early childhood development, dumbass.
THIS. Fucking this.
There's no fixing who we are now. That's why I hate the normies here who say "so what are you gonna let it ruin your life?" because IT ALREADY HAS.
>>28557434
>Did she put a roof over your head? Did she keep you from starving to death? Did she refrain from beating you and screaming at you constantly?
That's not parenting, that's providing for your family. It's not the same. If I pay your rent next month, do I become your father? No of course not.
>>28557369
But thats what I tried doing senpai. I wanted to drop out and life cozy and work. High school was a very artificial and unnatural envirornment. Fuck dat noise.
>>28559578
>There's more to raising a kid than just feeding it and giving it a place to live
Exactly. And you're right, they will never admit they made wrong.
>>28558877
Uh ya. Truth for its own sake is stupid.
>>28559976
It's not. Truth means reality. To ignore reality is retarded.
>>28559813
we know this shit brah, no need to run it into the ground.
>>28559996
If you ignore it so as to better yourself, that's good. Pragmatism is a very useful philosophy. If acting to reveal one truth will make you and everyone else worse off, don't act on it. Yelling at your parents until they cry will just a me everyone worse off.
You're shit, OP. Yeah my parents didn't do the greatest job by restricting my life, constantly fighting/partying, and letting the rest of my family mock me for every little quirk I had/have but I would never say these things. Guilt tripping them into thinking it's their fault you're a broken person is just fucked up. Even if it is, you don't say it. 1) nobody is going to take your side and 2) it just makes you look like a petty, ungrateful bitch who dumps their emotions and baggage unto other people.
Let it go, anon. That's what anonymous posting is for, letting it all out so you don't let it out irl.
>>28560021
>If acting to reveal one truth will make you and everyone else worse off, don't act on it.
Why? It's the truth. Ignoring it is retarded.
I blame my dad for some of it, he worked nights so we never got to do the normal family stuff and had to be quiet all times as to not wake him up.
But even when he was about he would rather be drinking or watching TV.
I just blame them for my shitty genetics. Thats blame enough
>>28557300
>it's not my fault, it's my parents fault!
Well then it's not their fault, it's THEIR parents fault.
This thread is /r9k/ clashing with reality. They are not compatible:
/r9k/ is for people who start with the premise 'I am broken' to have some feeling of solidarity with other people who feel likewise, but who really are not willing to change.
reality moves forward despite your past or how many greentext stories you can remember or invent, and it forces you to make decisions that determine your fortune.
>>28557314
A kid is working upwards from nothing, how the fuck was he supposed to know what his actions would lead to? You probably knew because you had parents to tell you the consequences of things
>>28558866
wow, and even those two managed to find a gf and start a family. Just goes to show how harder it is these days to find a partner
>>28558936
>>meanwhile all my parents did was let me rot in front of vidya and ignore me but otherwise it was a completely secure stable household
This. In my case I think it was having a beta introverted father that fucked me over, most of my early childhood friends all had assertive dads that would step in at the right times whilst mine would rather be off doing his own thing.
Blogpost incoming:
>raised in white, middle-class family
>always had 2-3 friends I regularly hungout with
>parents were always present and encouraging
>still turned out an autistic, anime-watching, frogposting, loser
>never had gf
>depression, anxiety, paranoia, avoidant personality
>lost all friends/capability to make friends in college
After a lot of self reflection I've realized that even though I had a good relationship with parents, brother, and extended family we were very dysfunctional underneath it all. We were all just putting on this facade. Sometimes it would break and fights would ensue and schisms would be formed, but I always just figured that's what happened in normal families.
Do I blame my parents? Sort of, for being fake and artifical. Do I blame myself? Yeah, because I wasn't able to keep the facade going. I couldn't put on the "normal" front which everyone else in my family could.
Now I waste my days in here and anime. Slowly rotting in my own depression and self-pity. I don't want to change, and I'll never confront my parents about it either. I'll just let the facade continue
>>28560141
Because you shou do act in ways that benefit the most people. The truth is not always that route, though it generally is.
>>28561170
>Because you shou do act in ways that benefit the most people.
Firstly, why? I don't give a shit if I benefit others.
Also truth is always the route. If you are ignoring the truth, you are ignoring reality.
Kill them and rape them.
Side note: Raping never goes before killing
>>28559813
Unless you have or are pursuing a doctorate in clinical pyschology with a specialization in development, I wouldn't be making claims like that. Grow up and take responsibility for yourself, change how you feel. You've spent all these years making yourself into shit because you wanted to to get back at your parents so it should be just as easy to make yourself into whatever you want.
>>28557462
>you have to make the effort to be interesting for your parents to pay attention to you
I don't think you understand what parents should do
>>28562110
>don't think you know how you are you stupid piece of shit, you aren't even a psychologist
>now excuse me while I tell you what's really wrong with you and how to fix it
>>28560033
Guilt tripping them by letting them know they had absolutely nothing to do with, and in fact impeded your success, is fair game however. You really should let it go, but letting go is a process.
>>28557750
>and everybody fucked off to their own corner of the house and did whatever
My family has always done this. One by one we all come home, maybe make some small talk if something interesting happened and just go into our rooms and thats that. Other than Thanksgiving, I don't think we've ever sat down as a family for dinner.
Hell, the only time we seem to all talk to each other is if it's someone's birthday. It's kind of weird living with family who seem like strangers.
>>28557374
didn't know him till i was 15, hes a cuck anyway so i was better off not knowing him
>>28562207
>appeal to authority
>actual authority comes in and tell you to fuck off with that bullshit
I'm not seeing the problem.
>>28562240
My siblings never wanted to spend time with the family. It seems they were mostly raised by their friends and their friends families, they always wanted to be with them and not our parents. I was always more willing to spend time with them but I'm also the least sociable and as of right now am a NEET. I think I would've been better off to mimic my siblings.
>>28562271
There is no actual authority present.
>tfw my mother went to therapy for 13 years. Her family alienated her and used her as a cleaner for the family.
>tfw she finally met my father and broke with all of them. Tried to get her life on track in her 40s.
>tfw those anxieties were passed on to me.
>finally has a son.
>I am a fuckup, my nanny broke me when I was a child and now I'm stuck here. A stutter and Borderline Personality/Avoidant faggot.
>She got cancer and died 3 years ago.
>Still remember it today.
Shitty lifestory desu.
>>28562316
Can you die from melanoma?
>single mother child
>two brothers are to a different father
>as a child i used to watch my mother get beated savagely by my brothers father
>would go to bed every night scared that tonight would be the night he would kill her
>repeat with every boyfriend she had afterwards and moving house every 6 months that by 14 i couldnt feel anything at all
>spent every weekend babysitting my brothers as she went out drinking every weekend
Some people shouldnt have kids man
>>28562300
That would seem to be the problem.
>>28562242
>No dad to teach you how to be a man or get you interested in sports
>>28562380
My brother helped me, but it was lost of me, i feel like a faggot for letting him down
>>28557314
>"WHY CAN'T CHILDREN JUST PARENT THEMSELVES" - Normies & Roastie Apologists
Even though I don't think my parents were that good in raising me, I hate blaming them for how I turned out because it wasn't really like they abused me or anything
>tfw you wish you could tell your mom how much she kept you from socially developing but you knew she tried her best and it would kill her
My brothers and I are all unsociable and weird. I don't think any of us have had a real girlfriend. I can't think there isn't a connection.
I wouldn't feel bad yelling at her for getting me cut, but that would be an incredibly awkward conversation.
>tfw only child
That alone fucked me over.
>>28562452
neglect is a form of abuse
>parents have lived in the same house for almost 18 years, from when i was in 1st grade until now when im 24 yet don't know any of their neighbors
>mother's only friends are from work and she rarely does anything with them
>in my entire life, i've never seen my father with a friend, ever. the guy doesnt even use a cell phone except to call my mom
>only child and rarely see rest of family, so it's just always been me, my mom and my dad
>parents basically just fight all the time, rarely any affection shown to each other
>don't even celebrate holidays
>vacations growing up we just spent mainly fighting
>father never taught me anything, not even how to shave, and when i tried to bond with him and do stuff together he would say "find some friends to play with not me" and wonders why our relationship is awful now
I can't be the only one right guys?
>>28562363
What does that have to do with anything?
Originalbbloxxxx
>>28557314
>>28557341
Yeah. One day when I was 11 I totally sat down and rationally evaluated all pros and cons using full information about how the world works that I totally had and consciously decided to not pursue human contact because reasons.
>>28562585
that's what i did though brah
when my dad drove me to that kids party i got a little scared before i got out of the car but my dad patted me on the shoulder and said, "you should go, son" and then i CHOSE to get out of the car
you clearly lacked initiative
If it's OPs fault this happened to him, why is it never a roastie's fault when she gets raped? I mean, unless somebody kidnapped her sober when she was wearing conservative clothing and tied her up and raped her, she has to bear some of the blame as well.
>>28562572
Are you me?
Except for the living in the same house thing that's literally me
>>28562623
I can't tell if you're being ironic or not
>mom never took me to a dentist
>never took me to a dermatologist
>can get upset over not having money for cigarettes
>can get upset over not being given three dollars
>can get upset about food being eaten that she didnt touch for a month
>cant get upset about her kid's health
Totally my fault for being born to a fucking idiot, huh?
Whether you were right or wrong, good for you OP.
I wish I could sit down and have a conversation with my parents about why I am the way I am. I wish I could hear what their thoughts have been about me for my entire life, and that I could talk to them about their deficiencies raising me and how the environment I was raised in with them was surely going to make me end up like this, friendless miserable and alone like they are.
But I don't talk to my parents about anything even though I live with them
>>28562695
i'm being ironic, friend
but there are many who think this way
>live in the age of google
>when my future spawn asks me dumb questions i can tell him "let's find out" instead of "i don't fucking know"
>>28562712
>sibling detected
>>28562572
Im the same. Im also 24 and absolutelly useless in anything because noone ever taught me anything useful. I remember I wanted to learn all the time but was always rejected by either "I dont have time now" "They will teach you in school" or "Its too dangerous and you are not manually great". I learnt nothing from my parents. I gave up sometime in school days and never recovered spending all my free time in fantasy either playing video games or reading or whatever. My family also dont have any friends and show no affection and never spend time together and then they are surprised why I dont have friends or gf if I had such role models. They never made me autonomous or confident but anxious and too self conscious self defeatist and depressed.
If I had better parenting Im sure I would have higher IQ and better social skills. Maybe I wouldnt be depressed. Who knows.
>>28562623
Some people have ingrown propensity to "lacking initiative" which happens kind of at random and is no one's fault. It doesn't mean they are bound to become bots, it just means that they and people who surround them must work harder to compensate for it. When they fail to do so, bad things happen that affect you in a major bad way. The adults are responsible for making everything in their powers to help you do this, like driving you to the kid's party. Some shitty parents chose to shirk this responsibility and when shit happens they just rationalize it away ("not our fault, he/she has been always like that") instead of acting like responsible adults that they are supposed to be.
>>28562791
>adults
>responsible
most of them are just teenagers with driving licenses and the right to vote
>>28562827
Too true. Won't stop me from hating some of them huh.
>tfw currently seeing my kid brother being turned into this (literally nothing but school and vidya)
>tell mother let him go outside to play with the other kids
>"b-but what about kidnappers?! they'll just snatch him as soon as he's alone!"
>tfw kid brother is so brainwashed by this that he won't never go outside by himself or even walk a block away to school unless there is someone with him
When will this fearmongering kidnapping meme go away? fucking stunting my brother
>>28560486
This is you clashing with reality. Reality is deterministic and fate does as it will regardless of your invention of a thing called decisions. It forces you to live with a reality that is deterministic.
>father criticizes me that even though I live at home (because I'm 24, still trying to get post-college life together, and live in the most expensive area of the world to live) I never provide any "value" to the family
>trying to help them out right now to clean up their disaster of a garage, I will buy shelves to help organize everything, clean it out, help them out with all this and figure I will be helping my family, spring cleaning, all that stuff because they never take initiative to do this
>figured it's a normal thing for people to do stuff like this around the house, and since I have no one at least I'll be helping
>instead, my father criticizes me for doing this because I'm 24 and I should be doing other things on a Spring day than helping out around the house
How do I ever win?
>>28558461
>>28558277
Thanks for sharing your input.
A lot of other great posts in here.
>>28557300
I don't have the same gall you have, but I always laugh internally when my mom calls me and says
>"Why are you so in affectionate and cold I don't know how you became like that"
It was probably all those times she locked me and all my siblings in our own rooms for 6 hours a day until our father came home for dinner.
>>28563156
you can't win against someone who is constantly moving the goal further down field. your best bet is to either explain yourself calmly and rationally or just ignore him and carry on with trying to get your shit together. i was in a similar situation, having narcissist parents fucking sucks man, sorry
>>28557300
>tfw the only thing keeping you away from slaughtering your entire family is your doge.
>all these whiny pieces of shit ITT blaming their parents
Fuck off, your parents have the right to their life too. I didn't need to have my hand held like a retard like you guys are whining about to become a normal person. You should all be ashamed of yourselves and stop blaming others, if you're failures the fault is only yours.
>>28563076
He needs to face his fears. Get him kidnapped.
>>28563420
ok lad
le originalo commenterino xDDDD
>>28563386
She has no obligations to a shitty entitled manchild like you.
This is why I will not refrain from using corporal punishment on my children. I do not want them to turn out entitled selfish manshits like you.
>>28563448
>She has no obligations to a shitty entitled manchild like you.
Yes she does. She has every obligation. Her child is her fucking responsibility.
>>28563386
Shut up you overgrown leeching fatass. You're a shame. Entitled shits like you are the reason why people don't want children.
>>28563420
I'm nut whining about not being interacted with. I'm complaining about something only a parent could do like make doctor appointments and looking after their child's health. Do you expect children to do that?
>>28563473
No she doesn't. Especially now that you're an adult. You're your own responsibility. If you failed to learn like a normal person, the fault is yours, you are the defective one. I didn't need to be taught how to be normal from my parents I learnt on my own. My mother ran away at 12 from an abusive household and she learnt on her own as well. I'd beat my child if he expected me to be a slave to him. You have no excuse. You're just lazy and dumb.
>>28562437
>blaming parents when you make the mistakes
>blame normies for their behavior
You and I both know every single one of you losers has massive fucking regrets. No number of memes or 4chan posts will take away the pain of knowing you blew it. and if you're just whining that someone else had an easier life than you, then you're as normie as anyone can be.
>>28563497
You're a manchild, not a child. Stop being a leech.
>>28563522
>You're just lazy and dumb.
the sad truth of probably 85% of this board
>>28563542
As soon as i turned 18 and got mymy own insurance I took responsibility for my own health. But before that, it was my responsibility too, right? Nine year olds need to be in charge of making their own doctor's appointments. Thank you obama.
What if your parents never allowed you to have friends over, or for you to go around your mates?
You trying to tell me that didn't affect me socially?
>>28563522
this. especially since OP went to fucking school and had internet access. you lazy shits are the dumbest group of people on the planet if you think parents had any meaningful influence after age 8 or 9, let alone after you became an adult. if people spent all day doing "family" shit and taking after their parents they would never fit in with other normies. i didn't give a shit about my parents when i hit puberty and i only saw them for like 30 minutes a day before going to bed.
>>28563599
I would advise you to not speak with retards anon. He doesnt understand, is shitposting or is afraid of something and this is his only defense mechanism.
>>28563609
>never allowed
most people just sneak out or don't care. i mean if you're old enough to drive then your parents have no good reason to keep you at home. if you're really that much of a pussy then you could have made a deal where you do a good job at school or whatever and then get to hang out. there are also much more productive environments to learn social skills like sports teams and hobbyist clubs.
>>28563609
Nigger I didn't even want friends over and now I get invited to nights out and parties. Sociability depends entirely on you.
>>28563688
>just do what literally every influence in your life tells you not to do and will literally result in physical punishment
>>28563688
I think you underestimate how strict some parents can be anon, I guess everything turned out okay for me in the end, but that was more because I moved out to go to uni
>>28563522
>You're just lazy and dumb.
That's the point you moron. His parents are to blame for this.
>>28563688
This
>love reading manga, watch anime, read fantasy novels, cosplaying and playing vidya
>perfectly able to make friends with anyone and get a qt animu-loving gf
Your interests are no excuse, you're just negative people and that's what-s repulsive about you
>>28563758
No you are. Being lazy and dumb is your fault, you could change if you wanted.
>>28563864
Would you punish your child for being lazy and dumb?
>>28558181
>Do you tell a 16 year old to stop being shy?
Yes
>What about a 12 year old?
Yes
>Is a 10 year old making a conscious choice to stunt their growth?
Yes
>>28557905
I never had/did any of that shit either, I played videogames and pursued all other shut-in nerd interests like anime and D&D and Magic: The Gathering because I liked those (and not that outdoor crap, and although I like music playing instruments just never interested me) and now I have a good job, a loving gf, and a great relationship with my parents.
What the hell is wrong with you?
>>28563917
I was punished for being lazy and dumb, and all in all it did me good, my parents didn't want me to turn out like you. I will do the same for my children.
>>28557978
>Average robot compares his parents being hands off to that of an orphan who literally was left in a crib alone 24 hours a day
I agree OP's parents fucked up but to put it on par with kids who had literally no social or emotional interaction is dramatic.
>>28564116
Robots are a bunch of drama queens.
>>28564103
So I guess that is why you are on r9k right?
>>28564186
>pic originally related
>>28564223
I dont believe you anon. You should improve your control or shitposting skills.
>>28564103
That's what I was trying to tell you the whole time. That them being lazy and dumb isn't their fault.
>>28564103
You are contradicting yourself.
>It's not your parents fault that you are lazy and dumb
>I should know, because my parents made sure that i'm not lazy and dumb
>>28564317
Don't believe me all you want, I say the truth. You're the miserable ones and you try to shift the blame onto others when the only ones to blame is (You).
>>28563738
>underestimate
>me
senpai i don't even want to start about how BTFO i was as a kid. but like i said, sports are a good thing for that and a lot of people i knew with strict parents eventually either won their right to go out or did it anyway regardless of consequences. i would be much more empathetic if parents didn't give a fuck about you at all and you were tricked by some internet goons/fear mongerers into a life of self destruction and addiction. strict implies discipline and proper development at least in some aspects. straight up abusive causes any kid with a brain to just spend less time at home, and at adulthood it would be total happiness to get out of that house altogether.
>>28563727
>every
i'm p. sure you've met more than a few people who disagreed with their parents tbo, and i was okay with getting slapped around or scolded if i got to hang out. at any rate if you can't find the healthy alternative where you can meet somewhere in the middle on such a fundamentally important thing for a child as social experience, then your parents are too dumb to respect anyway. you would get an even better life than most of us if your parents start doing really illegal shit as punishment.
>>28557300
Wow.
You're a total fag master anon.
>>28562585
laffed hard, this
>>28564376
but it is your fault for being lazy and dumb, it's just also your parents fault for not punishing you for it. let's be honest about how aware children are even before puberty about their actions relative to the people around them. if you weren't aware then, then you wouldn't be complaining now either. the worst case scenario is some shitty influence guided you to be an asshole but nobody in the world who had this happen believes their parents are responsible or that it's hopeless to start over.
>>28564374
>>28564376
The choice was still mine to do, retards. I loathed my parents at first and I could not have cared for their shit, my only punishments was getting yelled at and a few spanking and that wasn't enough to change my mind. I did what I wanted. When I grew up I understood what my parents meant and made the choice to better myself, be lazy when I want to be lazy in a smart adult way and not be dumb. It was all my own conscious realization. You have been adults for years now but you're still whining waiting to be told what to do like a bunch of defective small children. Not even when I was a small child I waited around for instructions on how to live my life, and my parents always appreciated that.
>tfw mom abandoned me when I was 4
>tfw raised in government care
>tfw only person there who was nice to me was a girl who was 7 years older than me
>tfw I found my mom but she wants nothing to do with me because she still considers me a mistake
First time I'd cried in 15 years, to be honest.
>>28564496
>When I grew up I understood what my parents meant and made the choice to better myself
What if you didn't have their influence, like so many people here?
>>28557300
I wish I had the balls to tell my parents that. I just bitch about it to my therapist.
Honestly I think my dad is schizotypal so I don't really blame him that much.
>>28562585
>didn't do it at 11
>didn't do it at 15
>didn't do it at 18
>still whining about it in your 20s
>hurr well muh parents and muh genetics? i can keep being a fool
i am 100% confident you were told the consequences of being lazy, and saw that sociable people were doing better emotionally than losers. i can get the helpless feeling you agonize over but the actions were your own, and at what point you realize that you have your own life decides when it starts getting better. parents don't actively sabotage you and you would see that shit from a mile away if you had any potential.
>>28557300
>sister was a giant cunt in her teens
>parents are very annoyed with her
>i get to my teens
>parents are happy that i never do anything
>10 years later my sister is normal and sucessful and im a NEET
yay
>>28557462
It's fucked up how much you blame yourself. It's not your fault man.
>>28564539
Bullshit you did have their influence you just choose to wallow in your self-pity and create a fetid swamp around you. You think I never took the initiative to talk with my parents? You think I just waited around passively like an idiot? You're a bunch of passive spineless faggots waiting around for people to tell how to live your life when the normies you hate so much never did nor do any of that shit, they reach out and take initiative themselves. The fact you're still like this in your adult years is entirely your choice and therefore your fault.
>>28564523
I bet you're against abortions.
>>28564652
I don't really care what women do with their fetuses either way. Doesn't affect me.
>>28564620
You can't say that when you were raised properly. Are you incapable of shifting your perspective? While most of the things you say aren't wrong, they're not wrong because your parents went the extra mile with you. You're giving yourself way too much credit when you're just a product of that parenting and environment they put you in.
>>28564597
god I know that cancerous fucking feel.
>>28564496
Your bullshit is refuted here >>>>28562791
>>28564620
>All parents are like my parents
Baseless assumption.
>>28564720
>that steaming pile of crap
>refuting anything
If anything that just proves passive kids deserve a wake-up call via a good scare. Your parents aren't your slaves. It's up to YOU to pull your shit together, even my fucking classmates in high school had already understood this. You have no excuses.
nothing is your fault.
everything is your responsibility.
you've been dealt a hand, you choose how to play it.
don't know why you're telling us about how you can't do anything. do you want pity? do you want someone else to offer you absolution for failure? neither will do anything for you.
you may or may not have had an unreasonably bad start in life. you may or may not be fucked beyond your power to fix it. you may or may not bear any responsibility for your future. you may or may not get lucky or get help or get better in the future.
whatever you're going to do, just do it. if you're going to give up, give up. if you're going to try and make a go for something better in yourself, do it.
what are you even here for. consolation? forgiveness? justification? what good will any of that really do you?
>>28564764
>blaming your parents for being a passive retard
Oh but I bet you're against corporal punishments and yelling at your children when they're being retarded, eh?
>>28557300
>has shitty parents
>becomes a failure as a way to counter them
you sure showed her anon!
>>28564620
Do you seriously fucking expect a young child to improve himself without any positive reinforcement and interaction with his family?
That is what parenting is all about.
>child is passive
Encourage him to be outgoing
>Child is unsure of himself
positively reinforce
>...
Im glad I wouldn't have you shits as parents. You seem exactly like the type of OP and fellow robots complain about.
its ironic that if you were a parent you'd never accept responsibility if you fucked up raising a child.
>>28557978
>my life of school and video games is the same as a child that was that had literally minimal to no interaction with human beings at all
k
>>28564812
> deserve a wake-up call via a good scare
I though you said that they were responsible for themselves and shouldface everything on their own.
>Your parents aren't your slaves.
How is being a caring proactive parent slavery, you arrogant motherfucker?
>>28564842
No i'm not.
Actually i think yelling at your kid is probably better than just being passive aggressive all the time like my mom was, but i also think that i could have had much worse parents.
But thanks for more baseless assumptions.
>>28564714
its not the best of feels. my mom admits it though so im like eh whatever
> every now and again when my mummy and daddy think they are being cosmically punished they'll confess that they knew they were shit
> can only say "no, you weren't," because they'll get mad and say I was a handful to deal with
> never snuck out, never snuck anyone in, didn't smoke, drink or hang with the wrong crowd beyond talking to a robot on the internet
> when I bring up that I never rebelled and did what they said which was how I became an autist, they tell me I brought it on myself and that they didn't put a gun to my head so I should have dismissed their decisions if it meant that much to me
> literally banned me from dating a normie at 18, the effects of which would have easily changed the trajectory of my life, only to accuse me of sneaking around for over 6 months anyway
> telling me I should just done it then
> mfw I have no face
>>28564908
You stop being a young child at 9.
From 9 to 18 you have a shitton of time and possibilities to improve yourself on your own. By the time I was 16 I was pretty much independent from my parents save for money, I cooked my own lunch, pursued my own interests, my conversations with my parents were pretty adult in tone and content.
>Encourage him to be outgoing
Yeah and? Force him when he doesn't want to?
Because that will not backfire at all. Some people enjoy being alone because they're fine with themselves and want to be around only quality people, not just any worthless retard.
>Child is unsure of himself
>positively reinforce
After the umpteenth time you've been positively reinforced you just become an annoying waste of time. The change cannot be imposed it can only come from you, so grow a thick skin already, retard.
>>28564999
>I though you said that they were responsible for themselves and shouldface everything on their own
Yeah ultimately they do. Everything is your choice in the end. When you choose to be a fuck-up, your parents aren't at fault from it.
>How is being a caring proactive parent slavery, you arrogant motherfucker?
>WAAAAH WAAAAH I CAN GET THERE MYSELF FINE BUT IF YOU DON'T DRIVE ME i WON'T GOOOOOOO WAAAAAAH
You're asking for a beating and to get dumped on your unwashed ass.
Do what the rest of society does and pretend you didn't have a childhood.
>>28565161
You don't even sound like you want kids. You're not patient, loving, understanding, or a decent human being by any stretch. Your future children are doomed. I hope they learn not to be so shitty from you as an example. At least your "parenting" will help someone then.
>>28565388
>he thinks being "patient, loving, understanding or a decent human being" means putting up with your son's shit and treating him like both a literal retard and an oversensitive 4-year-old at all times, instead of treating people their age and pushing them to independence and their own life responsibilities since middle school
This is why you're failures.
>>28557571
>turned out just fine
im still dealing with sexual abuse and neglect, so speak for yourself
I feel like it's usually a mental illness holding people back rather than upbringing
> Left sitting alone in the dark from 5:30 - 13:00 from age 1 to 3 at 'daycare'
> Father was physically abusive until I was big enough to fight back
> General neglect and emotional abuse
The result is me having major depression disorder since I was 12, being mildly autistic (diagnosed) and having schizoid personality disorder. My sister is a depressed schizophrenic.
I don't blame my parents for all my fuckups, they had shitty parents of their own as an example. My early childhood didn't do me any favors though.
>>28563369
>narcissistic parents
how do you know if you have those? i know theres a big site on reddit about being raised by narcissistic parents but to me that always seemed like a "blame others for your problems"
>>28557300
Ah, it's the 'blame mommy' episode.
>>28567369
In all seriousness who's fault is it?
>>28558120
>panacake
>>28557300
It's true actually, you should watch Stefan Molyneux's video "The brain bomb" look it up and see how even small forms of abuse, even simple neglect can fuck your brain dopamine system and make you an anti-social sociopath.
>>28567013
My father is a narcissist.
When I was 8, he came home from work and hit me in the face for eating his sandwich. I didn't eat his sandwich. It was a complicated, adult sandwich with pastrami and peppers and sauces. Kids like grilled cheese.
This doesn't make him a narcissist, it makes him abusive.
When my mother told him that she in fact took the sandwich, my father did not apologize to me. Instead, he yelled at my mother about how he may as well have hit me anyway because I was "always doing things like that."
If you beat your children for no reason, then find out you were mistaken and still insist taht you were right, you're a narcissist. It's a condition characterized by the lack of ability to see things anyone else's way. You have to be right at all times and everything you do is justified.
>>28563076
Fuck dude. I remember playing outside with my lil bro once and a car DROVE BY (didn't do anything at all except quickly pass our lawn) and he ran back inside in absolute terror.
Big surprise we ended up having issues socializing when we were taught people ready to rape and kill us were around every corner.
>>28557300
>implying you wouldnt dread, pount and bitch about interaction with other family
I love how triggered this thread is making the normies. I'm the OP, and I just scored my dream job and I pay for literally everything. I paid my own way through school. I'm more independent than pretty much everyone I know my own age and probably further along in my life goals than most normies posting in this thread.
Confronting my parents with their wrongs isn't about having an excuse not to change myself. I have changed myself. That doesn't mean I feel what they did should just get swept under the rug. Honestly I wanted them to acknowledge they messed up, make it easier to have an adult relationship without the elephant in the rooom and all of these unresolved feelings. But they just couldn't do it.
>>28564620
How can you possibly be this stupid??? A kid only becomes a "spineless faggot" through his upbringing. A kid only learns to take initiative through his upbringing. You really think it's some inherent trait? Or that deeply subconscious character traits are chosen by kids? You're a fucking idiot man.
All millenials, no matter what their circumstances, hate their parents for being "neglectful"
It's just how this generation is.
I mean, you didn't see this sort of thing sixty years ago, even though, back then, things like hitting your kids, being uninvolved, not financially supporting them enough, or other things that would constitute "extreme abuse" in modern times was the norm.
If you look on social media and all that, you will find that even the most turbo-ultra normies who had everything given to them in their lives and had all the oppurtunities offered to them they could possibly imagine still hate their parent for the "extreme neglect" they received because they missed one piano recital or some other stupid example like that.
I'm not sure what's wrong with this generation. But that's how it goes.
>>28557374
I have, but i have never been really close to him. I grew up being scared of him, i still am.
>>28557300
Holy shit this sounds like me a few days ago. She pretty much had no response, only to tell me I'm not supposed to curse a few days later. She doesn't act like a human.
>>28564223
Fuck off to your brown loli or something Char.
