On how nerds overestimate how much normies masturbate. From the "Shyness and Love" book. If you want to read the whole thing : https://pdf.yt/d/RiLfjaeqpWizCbxu
>35 to 50yo virgins
Jesus how do they not kill themselves?
>>28556574
Oh I'm sure most do directly or by drowning in alcohol or engaging in risky behaviors.
On how long term virginity makes you a pervert.
>>28557497
Haven't read this before, but have always suspected it.
Holy shit, I can only imagine how fucked up I'll be a decade or two down the line.
I guessing everyone in the study played down how often they wank?
Once a day doesn't seem that much, and these virgins were supposedly doing half that.
>>28557497
>>28557585
That says 1% had weird fetishes whatever that is and then just assume everyone else does?
What was the rate of having a fetish for no-virgins?
>>28556527
>young, non-shy people get laid more often and thus don't need to jerk it as often
>>28556527
3.19 ejaculations per week, how about per day?
Jesus, maybe jacking off 3-4 times per day for the past 10 years has fucked me up.
>>28557788
I've wanked 3 times today and I haven't lunch yet
>>28557895
I better catch up!
>>28556527
>the problem is you're too shy
>just be confident bro
The problem is nearly every social encounter I have is negative and usually followed up by people actively gossiping about me and trying to get others to exclude me and harm me at every opportunity for a giggle.
>well anon when are you going to present us your girlfriend?
>o-or your boyfriend?
>>28557990
Wait... so normies think gay rights will help robots? T-they think we are gay?
Holy shit! Mind blown.
Virgin brain fog
>>28556527
It's called "lying", OP.
>>28556638
>emotionally meaningful relationships with women
What is an "oxymoron"?
People who wank a lot wank because they're horny, and women just aren't. People who maintain relationships with women do it for the bragging rights.
I'm on the opposite side. My friends and I are pretty open about this kinda stuff, like the girls don't care either. Most of the guys stated that they jerk off like usually once per day. They are like basically chads too, at least two of em consistently have a girlfriend. I mean they aren't always pretty but they at least have one.
Well, fuck. What's the end game;
>>28558397
Help yourself or no one will.
>>28558512
bEING Your oWn theRAPIST Is A teRRible ideA
>>28556527
>tfw fapped three times a day this week and not my foreskin is swollen and red, and I have to stop fapping for 3 days
Usually I fap once a day or every two days. Fuck you, if I don't have a gf, I have to keep my urges in check
>>28558512
>just lift brah
>get a haircut mang
>just take a shower hehe u neckbread
>>28557788
we are on the same boat, i do not know how people do not masturbate 2-3 times a day. i do not do even more because most of the time i have people on my home.
masturbation is the only thing that brings some joy in my life.
>>28558397
Virtual reality and/or companion robots are the only cure for this disease. But feminazis will never allow those to happen.
>>28558512
You sound a little new agey here anon.
love-shy men are cripples
>>28558851
>>28558999
Normies are just barely coming around on recognizing that depression, autism, bipolar disorder, and other mental illnesses aren't just things you should "get over". It's going to be another 100 years at least before virgin men are given support by the establishment. Especially since it's in the SJWs best interest to NOT validate them.
>>28559072
All that support is going to normies who don't really have proper disorders and its muddying the waters for when someone who is depressed gets to a therapist who has been dealing with normies all day
The biggest problem is the retarded assumption the confidence is somehow a result of mentality, when in reality it is much more about experience. You can't just become self-confident because you magically change your thinking and decide to "be yourself" and "don't give a fuck about what others think".
It's Pavlovian conditioning.
You either take risks, act assertive and get rewarded for it (the younger you are, the stronger the impact) or you do the same and get punished. A lot of the times this can come down to chance - maybe at some point during developmental years you got lucky when you took some risks or maybe you got really unlucky and decided that risks are not worth taking, which strongly affects the rest of your life.
The only way to break the circle of non-confidence is to engage in activities that positively reinforce your assertive actions.
The problem with is the fact that most "shy" people, because of their shyness, have created environments for themselves where any shift in their behaviour is unlikely to be rewarded. Their entire lives are moulded by their lack of self-confidence.
You can't just flip a switch and become self-confident. If you really want to do it, the key is a gradual change by acting in ways that might reward self-confidence, even if they seem counter-intuitive and a change in environment.
>>28559189
fake it until you make it, bro
>>28559166
This really. Normies get overdiagnosed.
>>28559189
>>28559240
But it all also comes done to looks and things you can't change
>>28557990
normies would rather think of a gf less guy as a gay then as a loser who can't get a girl
in simple they just can't understand not being normie and being able to have a gf/bf so thus if you cannot you must be gay
fucking bullshit
>>28559313
>looks
>can't change
A lot of people here underestimate the amount of help a decent haircut, a clean shave, a set of non-autistic clothes and some time in the gym can do.
But if there are things that you honestly, can't change then there is literally 0 reason to spend time thinking about them.
Just focus on the things you can change - the way you talk, the way you carry yourself, the way you look, the way you smell, the amount of money you make, the place you live in,the amount of weight you can lift, the amount of miles you can run, the food you eat, the entertainment you consume.
All of those things can help.
>>28559392
>All of those things can help.
In most cases, yes. Not if you have a real problem, though.
>>28559392
Deluded normalfag
>>28559392
Yes a decent haircut will stop me being 5'6 and looking like a dying frog
You say that like I have never had haircuts before or that I have never tried shaving, I look worse after shaving.
But you basically can't change the way you talk or your spin structure. Ugly betas also have a hard time just becoming millionaires.
You are a retard maybe you should work on fixing that
>>28559422
>implying that phobias are non-treatable
The way to you treat a phobia is not by isolation, but by exposure followed by positive reinforcement.
>>28559445
Sure m8, whatever excuse that makes you feel like you should do nothing about the situation that makes you feel so bad.
>>28559455
>stop me being 5'6
You can't change your height, so stop wallowing in pointless self-pity over it.
>I look worse after shaving
Then don't, holy shit.
> change the way you talk
You absolutely can. Improve your vocabulary, widen your interests so you actually talk about things, look into how to adjust your tone of voice and make a conscious effort to speak better.
> spin structure
Yes, because bad posture is a terminal disease.
> just becoming millionaires
Not millionaires, just at least try to make more money than you do now.
Stop trying to compare yourself to Schwarzenegger and start comparing yourself to a better version of yourself.
Or don't and keep wallowing in the shit bowl of self-pity and see where that takes you.
>>28559555
>You absolutely can. Improve your vocabulary, widen your interests so you actually talk about things, look into how to adjust your tone of voice and make a conscious effort to speak better.
Already do all these things or have don, you can' make much more meaningful change.
I have a reasonable job and make ok money
Your advice is shit and just trash so you can pretend you helped
>>28556527
old shit from the 80s
Normies jack off but won't say it
>tfw went from 3 faps a day to 1 fap a day
I am making progress bros!
I'm normie as fuck and get laid roughly 3-4 times a week on avg and I still jack it once a day every day
After reading the first posts on masturbation, I was wondering if it was a case of 'wet roads cause rain' and a silly talk about how nofap helps... But now I see there is no hope for us. Not only were well be unhappy all our lives, but also less productive, and thus earn less and decrease our chances even more.
>>28559596
You can make as many excuses as you want, but in reality you are just getting butthurt because I'm suggesting to actually do something about your own insecurities instead of feeling sorry for yourself.
I'm not trying to help, I just like pointing out bullshit when I see it, because it makes for very easy arguments.
>>28559734
I have done all the worthless things you have suggested, they are not true.
You are retarded
>>28556527
How genetic is virginity. I'm black and I do NOT have family members with similar stories. My mom had a miscarriage at 18 and my dad had his first kid at 15. Everyone thought I would end up in a street gang or prison, but that seems kind of retarded given I can't even get laid
>>28556527
It says non loveshy men (I will refer to them as normies) ejaculate 3.5+0.35 = 3.85 times per week. Considering statistic errors, there is no evidence that normies have lower sex drives than robots. Also, normies must interact with females in order to get sex, which most likely will limit the opportunity to get sex.
>>28558155
Social isolation and chronic depression are more likely causes of cognitive difficulties.
>>28559782
>I have done all the worthless things you have suggested
I think you are genuinely delusional, you remind me of Elliot Rogers.
>I am the perfect gentleman
>I have done everything
>All of my shortcomings are out of my control
>Why am I so unhappy?
Progress and growth are not finite, you are never "done" with them. You either stagnate or you grow.
Honestly, if you think that right now you are the prefect incarnation of yourself and you have done absolutely everything possible to improve your life and you are still unhappy you should just kill yourself.
One thing I realised recently is that if you're a sensitive, 'thinking', introverted guy, you're going to be more susceptible to porn and fapping addiction, because your brain has become sensitised to getting dopamine hits from internal states (thoughts and insights are fed by this dopamine reward system), so we're really being brutalised by normies here.
>>28559455
you can change the way you talk but only so much with patience and vocal lessons
>>28559850
I it really so difficult to believe that I have shaved and had haricuts and wear clean clothes, yet I'm not a normallow like you
>>28559896
I hope that you are either trolling badly or just delusional from the all the pills and vodka you just ingested.
Either way, I'm off to get some food. Enjoy your shit life, manlet.
Why does everyone assume that a loveshy male will become better or happier in a relationship? Interaction between the sexes is the biggest social trial and is extremely taxing for shy and sensitive people. The more logical solution is regulated prostitution.
>>28559422
I have two sisters and two caring parents but that didn't do anything to prevent love-shyness. Now I really don't have any excuse.
>>28559964
>Why does everyone assume that a loveshy male will become better or happier in a relationship?
Because part of their unhappiness is caused by a lack of relationships. It is worth a try.
>>28556527
>love-shy
I hate that term. It suggests they're not looking for love. Chad is love-shy. He just pumps'n'dumps.
Love-shy sounds more like commitment issues.
>>28560000
Difficulties in handling social situations is one of the major causes of shyness in the first place. Loveshy males will never learn how to maintain a stable relationship.
>>28560012
chad is not shy about it tho hes outgoing about it
>>28560019
I disagree. They can improve.
>>28559189
>The biggest problem is the retarded assumption the confidence is somehow a result of mentality, when in reality it is much more about experience. You can't just become self-confident because you magically change your thinking and decide to "be yourself" and "don't give a fuck about what others think".
this makes so much sense anon. thank you
>>28560032
It just sounds like blaming the love-shy to call it shy. Normalscum love calling "shy" people shy because it puts the blame on them. They can say "just stop being shy and come out of your shell so you can be exactly like us".
Am I shy if people don't talk to me? Am I love-shy if women aren't interested in me?
do girls masturbate at all?
>>28560220
The truth is we are as socially retarded as they are not. We came into our positions in life naturally. Normies never want to accept this. They think they somehow worked hard to being sociable, likeable people and those ugly nerds are just lazy and shy.
>>28558586
Bandaid solutions
>>28558851
>state mandated girlfriend
The memes. Theyre too real.
>>28559964
Those are loveshys. Youre probably just an extreme introvert/schizoid.
>>28560729
Don't get too excited. They will most likely be single moms in their 40s and 50s.
>>28559189
fake it till ya make it bruh bruh
>>28559555
>it's a pseudo-chad comes in with """"helpful"""" tips episode
nice trips tho
>>28560818
Thats true. There are a lot of single elder women. Even in their 30s. Muh school and career over relationships.
>>28556527
Porn is good for you.
>>28559734
Have you considered, just for a moment, that maybe there are anons who have tried it and for reasons outside their control have failed? That perhaps we are not as dumb as you say we are and that we have spent more time than you trying to figure it out because we have to live with it every day instead of just visiting robot zoo and pointing on the weekends?
There are the preventable ills like obesity, sure. But would you tell a bipolar girl to just "get over it" or a man with critical PTSD or depression "hey man just look at the bright side"? If the book is correct then there's an actual problem like these going on.
Steps would be
>meds to use as a bandaid
>directed social therapy to use as a crutch while building skills
>medical supervision to make sure things are going ok
