Why haven't you wrote your novel yet, r9k?
>>28537958
>haven't wrote
>wrote
I know why you haven't.
>>28537958
It's a work in progress. I've written 40k words so far
Mainly because I'm bad at writting exposition and I don't have the patience.
>>28537958
Because stupidly high standards and a perfectionist attitude prevent me from even picking what exactly I want to write.
If I actually decided, I'd be writing all day every day until I hit a plot hole that can't be overlooked. I made 1800 pages on my chuuni story that way.
>>"novel?"
Why haven't you made that manga yet senpai?
>>28537958
I have problem with expression in interesting way so it would be bland and boring. I also cant describe details because I dont visualize them much. The only way to write for me would be some abstract thoughts. I also hate my language in writing form but my english is lacking for any type of serious writing.
Why would I write a novel when I can write poetry ?
Where's your indie videogame, r9k? I've been waiting.
Because I'm a bad writer.
>your writing will always suck dick
>all your autistic fantasies will remain in your head and you will never show them to the world
it hurts
>>28538065
You probably have the first major hurdle writers have to get over then which is basically accepting your first draft will always be shit, and wanting your first draft to be your finished novel. Generally you gotta learn the writing process first and accept that your novel will go through multiple drafts. The major part of writing is editing, not writing it and that comes after you complete your first pile of shit, then your job is to not make it shit.
I wrote two and about 20 short erotica stories under a nom de plume. They all sell well enough that I don't need another job.
>>28537958
I wrote a shitty one around 200 pages long, but it was so cliche and shitty that I didn't bother editing out all the shittiness anymore.
Then I started a new less shitty one but still can't get enough motivation. Whenever I get the willpower to use my free time for something constructive it's much more likely gonna be programming.
>>28538431
You're probably doing the same as me then. Self publishing cheap erotica that hit specific fetishes on Amazon and other erotica websites?
That feel when your fantasy novel is generic as fuck and full of cliches so you give up. I know nothing is original anymore but still. It's nothing special.
>>28538340
Practice makes perfect, anon. You also have to read a lot first to pick up some style and guidance to what you might like to write yourself.
>>28538431
Just curious - which of those bring you more cash? Novels or erotica?
Every time I write to her she just ignores it. She doesn't care. I'm tired of wasting my words on her.
>>28537958
Because my thinking has for the last few years been universally devoted to abstraction and any time I entertain the idea of making up a plot, I'm struck by its arbitrariness: 'why should the hero wake up? why at that time? shouldn't I rather study the number systems using which time is expressed, or the math used to describe the chemistry of waking up?'.
>>28538505
>Practice makes perfect
Wrong. Practice only makes perfecter. Never perfect. That, perfection, comes with talent.
>>28538577
Okay douche, we get your lecture.
>>28538577
Sometimes you don't need a perfect novel. It doesn't have to be amazing critical thinking for it to sell well. Anything mindless can sell as long as its entertaining, all thats needed is good advertising and word of mouth. It's why Young Adult/Teen is so easy to sell for.
>>28538498
Does it need to be? As long as you're honest it will be special
>>28538479
Yup. Smashwords sells better than Amazon, though.
>>28538505
Erotica by far. However, my novels are niche market (historical fiction about the Soviet Occupation of the Baltic states).
My novel about a guy whose dick starts talking to him now has a publisher lined up
>>28538629
Do you think there's a market for science fiction erotica?
>>28538620
Stop trying to strip down my definition of perfectness to 'sells well' from 'sells well and is good'.
>>28538632
I saw a shitty movie about that once i think
Because it requires effort and practice and doesn't give immediate satisfaction after putting in minimal effort.
>>28538640
Nobody reads erotica for the plot. If you mean science fiction for weird alien and tentacle fetishes, then yes.
Well it sounds stupid as fuck but Im so fucking terrified of other people's opinions that even if I know no-one's ever going to read it Im too afraid to write a single word
>>28538655
I've seen hentai of it.
>>28538662
Thinking more sexbot stuff
>>28537958
I'm currently writing a draft that seems to be starting off decently. Have written some really bad first drafts but over time you sift through the shit and you build an eye for what's shitty or cliche, I think. I dunno, I'll probably give up midway but I hope not.
>mfw only 8 pages in
Have the rest of the novel pretty fleshed out with a pre-write, though.
Still working on my manifesto anon.
>>28538672
Well here's the thing about publishing. Every publisher may turn you down, but big deal. Your position doesn't get any lower, if you're rejected you don't get shot or tortured. You just stay the same, but there's a chance you could be successful.
As for reader opinions, if you're getting money then it's all good. Generally you'll get less hurt by critique the more you ask for it, and the more you ask for it, the more advice you get to improve.
>>28537958
because david hung himself
>>28538680
Then yeah there's a market. The thing you don't wanna do with erotica is be plain. Nobody's willing to buy if they can write it themselves. Give them the most fucked up fetish shit they can get off to. Fetishists are willing to pay.
>>28537958
>wrote
Jesus christ and only the first poster called him out on this shit. You're all fucking morons and terrible writers and you will never write anything of value.
>>28538166
this describes me perfectly. Whenever I write something, I look at it later and realize how shit it is. It doesn't matter how many times I edit it or whatever, it's always bad.
>>28538738
Why would we need to mention it when the first post did? Repetition is bad writing, senpai
>>28538640
Absolutely. Some of my best sellers are set on remote colonies or generational ships.
Here's a plot for you I never developed, so you can have it: A gen ship loses half the population to a virus that mutated due to a reactor breech.
To make up for the population loss without worrying the passengers that the small population may doom the trip, a libido enhancer is pumped into the ship, but it's too effective; the passengers ignore their duties and just fuck like crazy. A junior officer is inoculated against it and sent into the general population to investigate and try to get order restored, but succumbs to her own awakening desires.
>>28538505
Erotica for sure. If you're self publishing other novels, you're gonna go through hell to get noticed unless it's amazing quality and you're willing to do
>networking
Because everyone assumes that because it's self published, it's shit. With erotica, nobody cares if the writing is cheesy and tacky as long as it's hot and hits their fetish.
Also people reading erotica are more willing to purchase short stories than if they're not erotic, cause it's mostly for their masturbation session anyways. So you can churn out a bunch. Then you can also sell them in bundles for more expensive prices.
Basically with self published novels, they're looking for what's good and whats popular, with self published erotica, they're looking for what turns them on, it doesn't have to be long or good quality.
>>28538759
Your first draft will always be shit. You just keep writing and finish it, look later. Create your pile of shit.
>implying that i haven't
that's some edgy highschool tier shit
>>28538759
People will still read it even if it's shit. Twilight and 50 shades of shit became bestsellers.
>>28538678
Name?
Fsjalblox
too autistic, I often go off on a tangent and push things to their "logical conclusion", it seems like a good idea at the time, but later when I reread it and try to imagine what a normy would make of it it is just a mess
I can't into creative writing tbqh, I'd consider maybe writing a philosophy book or something like that though
Don't know how to start, or even what happens in the middle, Or how to finish it.
>>28539407
Think of something you've always wanted to do: take a trip to Estonia or be the First Robot on Mars.
Now, what's holding you back from doing that thing? Make a character that has the ability to do that thing.
Why are they going there? gold? Love? A secret mission?
Oops, MISADVENTURE! Something wacky just threw them off mission.
Using their charm, wits or street smarts, how do they try to fix it?
Does some crazy antagonist want to stop them? Is the antagonist a person, or maybe a huge storm spewing tornadoes and shit?
There goal isn't where they thought it would be! Fuck, now what?
Maybe a band of travelling monks decide to help your hero on his quest. Maybe the President of Latvia is up to no good.
Wrong briefcase! Food poisoning from a stolen tomato.
Turns out, it was Queen all along!
>>28537958
How long does a book have to be to count as a novel. I tried writing a story but got lost at 16 pages. I can't write about anything non-porn anyway.
>>28537958
>tfw wrote about 60k words and am about 3/4 finished with it
>not edited
>have some worries about it
>present it at the writing club im a part of
>they tear it to bits and say its trash
>lose all motivation to write
why am I such a shitty writter /r9k/? The worst part isI'm majoring in Creative Writing
>>28539571
>Think of something you've always wanted to do
Fuck you, anon.
i prefer poetry
or diary work
>>28539714
>present it at the writing club
Lmao, dood.
I have written my novel, but no one would ever read it because I'm a female spic.
>>28539808
id read it, post it. you could be a fucking transgender cabbage and id still read it
>>28539119
go for the logical conclusion. A lot of people actually dislike plot armour.
>>28539697
50,000 is the bare minimum, 60-70 is better.
Write novellas (30,000) or short stories (12,000) if that's too long.
Work your way up.
I actually just finished a few weeks ago. Sadly, no one wants to read a fantasy series by a redneck from buttfuck alabama, so I'm trying to write some short stories starring one of the characters from the novel to get a bit of intrigue going. It sucks because I know this novel is good, otherwise I wouldn't have spent the last three years writing it when uni doesn't get in the way
>>28539714
Tolkien was trashed by his writing club too.
I've attempted to write about a dozen novels since I was 13, each one taking months of my life and nothing coming from them because each time I realized how bad I was at writing. I can see improvement though, so I hope I can write a passable one on my next try. Over the course of writing these I've developed lore for this world I set most of them in, so at least I've got a setting.
>>28539808
L-London? I'm spic-kin too.
>>28539714
Take their advice and make it not shit. Every writer has been shit at some point in their lives, especially the good ones.
>>28537958
Because I simply don't care to. I write, yes. I write for that sublime feeling, one pretty damn close to sexual arousal really. I get it when I write or read something that captures something spectacular, as though it were a readable photograph.
In short I'm just really fucking turned on by good prose and I don't care to write a novel. I'm better at shorts.
I actually just started my auto biography. So far it is 15 pages about my various masturbation experiences.
>>28540620
>>28540596
Thanks senpai. I do take notes about what people say about my book and hopefully it will help when I finish writing and get around to editing it.
>tfw want to get good at writing but deathly afraid of having people read my shit and destroy it so I never show anyone and never improve
Because I'm wonderful at dialogue, but terrible at description. I have to use my characters to set mood and explore themes, have a hard time doing the whole 'negative space' thing otherwise.
It turned out well though, I got hired to write for an upcoming TV show after meeting the director on the subway and sperging out to someone who actually appreciates it.
There tend to be niches for everyone, and most people who aren't writers themselves are fairly forgiving.
>>28540746
I wish I could get hired that easily.
>>28537958
It's "WRITTEN", you dumb shit.
>want to write a screenplay
>know it'll never get adapted
>know it would get butchered if it somehow did
>am a bad writer with a poor education anyways
>>28538655
Bad Biology?
>>28540746
>tfw I'm the complete opposite and my dialogue is absolute shit and I have to spend hours working just to make a short conversation not shit
Because I have nothing interesting to say.oregano commentino
>>28540768
It wasn't just a simple, "You're hired." More like an invitation to submit and get put on the top of the pile. I had a friend help me adapt a few scenes into screenplays and sent them in, apparently the producer(s?) agreed with the director, and they took me on.
I have to admit there was some positive bias working for me. The show revolves around an Asian American family struggling with money, social status, and pride when dealing with their face-obsessed relatives. I'm half Asian, so I had experience in that, and it reflected in my writing.
>>28540880
It's >>28540746
We could always work together, if you're interested.
>>28540918
Got an email senpai?
>>28540935
[email protected], friend.
>>28540746
Pretty much the same as you. I find it difficult to care what kind of house people live in, what objects are in there, what the weather is, etc.
Wish I could get a gig like the one you have but I have zero social skills or social charm.
>>28540730
Someone tearing your writing to pieces if the best advice you can get, just take it as reason to prove them wrong. It doesn't mean you're a shitty writer. Your first draft will always be shit.
>>28540988
Sounds like you're more suited as a TV writer or comic book writer.
>>28540890
That's pretty interesting, anon. The entertainment industry is mostly just being in the right situation, which I've been trying to figure out. What show are you writing for?
>>28540845
I think it was bad johnson or something along the lines of that, it was shit regaurdless
>>28540988
Funny, I'm the opposite. I can write pages of description and internal dialogue, but I'm useless with two characters together.
>>28541065
I'm still bound by NDA, so I can't say.
It's funded by Chinese people and will be on a cable network in a year or so.
>>28541128
This is totally me. I love worldbuilding and describing things, but I am terrible at dialogue and character interaction.
>>28541278
If you like world building, maybe your future is with designing tabletop RPG campaigns.
>>28541305
>designing RPG campaigns
you do realize that gives like zero money right? like even less than writing. I run TRPG campaigns as a hobby in my free time, but no way would I want to do it as a fulltime job.
>>28540988
Yep, the great thing about writing for visual media is that there are several other people who help with crafting a scene before it's committed to film.
You may have an idea of what it looks like, describe it in the bluntest way, and others will turn it into art. It's amazing.
>>28541054
Yeah, I think you're right. But I'm on my own. At this rate I might be better off trying to get better at drawing. Wish I had the skills of someone like Akira Toriyama.
>>28541128
>>28541278
Seems like you got the harder parts down. What about coming up with stories? Is that troublesome?
>>28541480
That would be the dream man. I envy people who can be on a team and create these magical things with combined effort.
>>28541647
Not at all. Once I get a setting, I just start to outline a story based around a certain event or idea that I have for the world. The hardest part is making believable or (God forbid) likable characters. I have this unconscious thing for making characters objects through which the reader experiences the world, instead of actual inhabitants and people. Also I make really stilted dialogue so that's a big problem too.
I do a lot of setting building and like to get an idea of the kind of plot I want but I'm just not good with characters.
I'm working on it, though.
>>28541705
In my opinion it actually helps to remember you can't write different stories with the same method, just like hammers aren't good for screwing.
any one got tips for writing if you've never written anything before?
>>28537993
/thread
Origuana Commessy
>>28541864
What do you mean by that?
>>28541885
Really depends on the type of story you want to write and the type of writer you are. The most generic advice you will hear is "just write" and really that's the secret. That and finding your own groove
>>28541885
Try and remember something that's happened in your life, something small that you remember completely. Describe the things that you noticed, what you were thinking, what you said.
Do that a few times, you should get a feel for what you like about your writing and what you don't.
Read something, novel length or longer, from front to back. Do this a lot, maybe start a notebook of things you like about the work.
The rest sort of falls into place.
>>28541908
Oh I completely forgot to explain that.
A sweeping space opera will do well with top-down conception, world-building, and the like. Stilted dialogue is not as much of an issue, because realism isn't a huge target to aim for. The political intrigue and social commentary inherent in large fantasy and sci-fi works will come more easily.
When focusing on realism and character driven stories, the work has to be built from the ground up. Write a few lines for your characters, get to know them, put them in hypothetical situations with each other and let them write the story.
>>28541885
Its a silly bit of advice but just write. Nobody will see it, but you will improve from it. When you finish your story, you know you have it in you to complete a story that's actually decent.
>>28542026
I see. What I usually do is make an extensive and well-developed setting that is very well-thought out (at least in my own head) and a logic that works so that if something happens in the setting, it happens due to the logic that was already set in place. However, I have this problem of going on long exposition dumps due to this and my want to explain the world and how it works. I rarely take the characters first approach and thinking about it I really should for my next writing project.
>>28541908
>>28541952
>>28542026
>>28542051
Thanks boy's I'l take the advice to heart and try to write something.
>>28538022
Does it involve heresy?
