Fascism is just like capitalism with rainbow flags and gender quotas.
>a political system is like an economic system
ok
>>28524742
Are you honestly that stupid?
Seriously, read a book you fucking simpleton.
>>28524992
>Are you honestly that stupid?
>Seriously, read a written opinion that happens to agree with me you fucking simpleton.
This is going to be a very fun thread to watch
>>28524742
This was my first though as well
>>28524708
communism is like fascism except the people under the boot are just walking towards the gulag for having an original thought
this has been another helpful anarcho-anon PSA
>>28525176
No one listens to Yuri
But under Italian Fascism I can become a new man with Mussolini ideals for masculinity, instead I get capitalism where I live my life confused and thinking I'm a girl
>>28525545
>unironically letting le imcompetent giant head man boss you around
>>28525600
Thats what I need though, I'm not strong enough to do it myself. I need a leader who will save me from this wretched existence with a firm guiding hand.
>>28524708
Typical libertarian retard with no understanding of politics or ideology
>dude like friggin SJWs are fascist bro! *vapes*
Facism has nothing to do with economics.
Facism is a method of governing people.
>>28525816
>libertarian
Since when are libertarians opposed to capitalism?
>>28525816
why would a libertarian be opposed to capitalism
>>28525839
>>28525857
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%C3%A9jacque
Libertarian used to mean anarchist, when anarchism was banned by the French government. Now for Amerifats it means liberal because a bunch of right-leaning liberals got buttmad about the new deal and decided to steal the word.
>>28525839
>>28525857
Am an active Libertarian, can confirm we love capitalism.
>>28525894
the meaning of words change anon, republicans used to liberal. Modern Libertarians simply believe in full freedom for people to do what they want, whether its a free market economy, or rolling back limits on free speech.
>>28524708
Oy fuckin vey
>>28525977
The meaning of a word may change, but what is being described doesn't. People who call themselves libertarians today venerate bosses while saying that they're for freedom.
>>28526012
>implying that such a cuck would be opposed to gays and feminism...
>>28524708
The alternative is far worse. Communism doesn't allow a man to keep what he earns, providing no benefit to hard workers that won't be given to lazy workers.
On top of this fact is that communism and socialism are tools of the Jewish international clique.
>>28525176
anarchism is retarded because power structures (ie: states) inevitably form.
>following an ideology or religion
>not being an egoist ubermensch
>>28526630
no they don't lol
and even if they did we should still combat them
>>28524992
>Are you honestly that stupid?
Sorry to burst your bubble m8 but you're the retard. His comment was correct.
>>28525838
>Facism is a method of governing people.
as well as a worldview
>>28524708
FTFY
DJASHDUFSHDF BLOX
>>28526647
>and even if they did we should still combat them
your ideology is a perpetual revolt against nature, you won't get anywhere.
>>28524708
You mean the other way around?
politics have gotten so tiring to me lately. i've really been trying to decide what system works best, but all i really want from a political system is to feel free. i don't want state oppression but i also don't want unrestrained capitalist privatized oppression
why can't i find people who realize the looming threat of the growing class divide and oligarchy but aren't total politically correct fucks?
>>28526692
the struggle itself can bring adventure and freedom into our lives
>>28526756
because intelligent people benefit from capitalism
>>28524708
>le fascim is bad maymay xD
fuck off Ivan, go get iced by a German
>>28526767
>adventure
constant war and suffering doesn't seem too adventurous to me
>freedom
freedom to do what though?
>>28526767
>I am a revolutionary because I am bored
there is literally nothing wrong with capitalism
>>28526813
the suffering is still there if you don't resist it
freedom in every sense of the word, the spanish anarchists, even though they lost got to live at least for a while with profound freedom
>>28526816
is there a worthier cause?
>>28526850
I think suffering from "economic exploitation" or whatever leftists always babble on about is less terrible than suffering in a war-torn nation where death is likely around every corner (not to say you can't get iced in stable societies with structures, but it's a lot less likely with police and whatnot).
>>28526929
but the only solution to war is to fight to do away with the reasons for war, nations, governments, landowners etc
reminder that the fascists were backed the most by all the rich proprietors
>>28525838
It requires corporatism which is an economic system
corporatism not corporatocracy
>>28524992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYOy1tuVv3w
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>>28526981
The concept of a worldwide revolution that actually succeeds and ends with the ultimate destruction of all thoughts of nation, god, race, and government is just silly. People since the dawn of time grouped with alike people to gain power in their societal settings. The destruction of government will only cause the destruction of laws that intend to protect people.
Reminder that wall street and the US government helped the Bolsheviks, a heavily Jewish infiltrated group that believed in this destruction of "the reasons for war, nations, governments, and landowners." We all know how well that went.
>>28527053
Fascism refers specifically to how the government handles social liberties and the public.
Their economic system is their own. Typically it is a form of socialism, like your example.
>>28527161
If the US government helped the Bolsheviks, why'd they invade the USSR?
But the Bolsheviks weren't anarchists, they believed in economic materialism, a doctrine that has the same problems as capitalism in that it reduces human beings to machines.
Nestor Makhno fought the Bolsheviks as well as the Whites, they betrayed the anarchists and the revolution.
>>28527180
Not him, but I think you're mixing up national socialism and fascism.
>>28527208
He also massacre innocent mennonites simply for owning land. He was as much of a piece of shit as lenin.
>>28527259
>innocent
>owning land
pick one
they also supported and fought with the Whites, who burnt down entire pro-makhnovist villages, whereas the makhnovists only attacked male adult landowners, and only after.
>>28527285
Whatever you say, boss.
You're as much of a piece of shit to me as the bolsheviks and my rifle won't know the difference ;^)
>>28527338
so when's the LARP taking place?
>>28527285
>they wuz good boys, dindu nothing
He was a warlord who just used your ideology as propaganda.
>>28524708
I think you reversed your image, based on what you said in your text.
>>28527372
yes anon, it was just propaganda that got him sent to prison as a teenager and made him writew all those essays after already losing nad hang out with all those anarchists in paris
>>28527208
If you think the US invaded Russia to help the monarchists, you're wrong. They simply wanted to protect US interests. The US government, especially Woodrow Wilson, sympathized with the Bolsheviks. Wilson used his influence to get Trotsky (as you know, the founder of the Red Army) into Russia with a passport, as said in "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution":
>President Woodrow Wilson was the fairy godmother who provided Trotsky with a passport to
return to Russia to "carry forward" the revolution. This American passport was accompanied
by a Russian entry permit and a British transit visa. Jennings C. Wise, in
Woodrow Wilson:
Disciple of Revolution,
makes the pertinent comment, "Historians must never forget that
Woodrow Wilson, despite the efforts of the British police, made it possible for Leon Trotsky to
enter Russia with an American passport.
I'd also like to point out Trotsky was a Jew from New York born Lev Davidovich Bronstein.
Bakunin and Marx were eye-to-eye on many things, except Marx knew he was crazy. As you know, Marx was influenced by Bakunin (and vice versa) and Lenin essentially carried Marx's torch. The anarchists lost because they couldn't unite into a single body, much like why the Whites failed and why the Reds won by doing the opposite and sorting out the 'ideologically impure' Mensheviks later on.
>>28524992
>doesn't specify which book
>>28527408
Churchill personally corresponded with Denikin.
Also I'm not a Bolshevik or a Trotsky supporter.
>>28527401
So you're admitting he was a criminal.
>>28527459
yes, I don't believe that's a bad thing because I'm an anarchist
>>28527473
>I don't believe that's a bad thing because I'm an anarchist
lel
You're literally on the same indoctrination level as a scientologist. Fuckign anarchtists
>>28527513
have to be pretty indoctinated to believe that the law is infallible senpai
>>28527473
>haha dude I'm an anarchist just murder, rape and kill all you want bro
No, you're just an amoral ass. You're argument is just as bad as some "nihilist" feeling superior for being against self-perceived social norms.
6/10 made me reply, I hope you're joking
>>28527536
where did I say that rape and murder were OK?
>>28526630
That's why it takes a willing population.
In the middle ages they would say there will always be a monarch.
Now they say there will always be a state.
When people change, societies change.
>>28527401
>he was a good boy
>wrote essays and hanged out with anarchists every day trying to get his life back on track
Yes, he was very well educated in the art of bullshitting.
>>28527623
what did he do that was contradictory to what he wrote?
>>28527526
Law is natural. Even if your little autismfest were to win (lol) you'd end up writing laws again.
You've got anarchism so far up your ass, you're like how tom fucking cruise with scientology. lel
>>28527646
nice appeal to nature breh
like I said before, even if it is natural and even if we lose the struggle itself has intrinsic value
>>28527665
What struggle?
Burning flags and calling cops pigs isn't a struggle lmao.
>FUCK YOU, MOM! : the ideology
>>28527681
those are small actions that are a part of a greater struggle famalam
you said it yourself that it's a struggle against nature and natural law
>>28527560
>That's why it takes a willing population.
in other words, "I'm a delusional idealist who doesn't understand human nature"
>In the middle ages they would say there will always be a monarch.
I don't think so, it was general knowledge that other systems of government existed before monarchies.
>When people change, societies change.
No fucking shit you tard, but literally the only way people survive by banding together in collectives, and hierarchies of duty and power inevitably form. You seriously think you're just gonna tell people "coercion is bad mmkay so let's just disband the government and live based on voluntarism" and an anarchist utopia will form? It doesn't account for inevitable conflict, even if all the "free" people band together to carry out justice against another, that's a fucking government! It's just a lot more chaotic and disorganized.
>>28527665
>nice appeal to nature breh
I hate faggots like you that don't know what that term means. It's not even a fallacy in this context.
>>28527734
you hated faggots like me beforehand, but looked for some nit to pick :^)
>>28527697
>claim to be fighting for the working class
>destroy the livelihood (not just property) of the working class "for their own good"
Great struggle, 'soldier' Makhno would be proud kek
>>28527445
Well, Churchill was extremely anti-Communist and knew of the Jews in the Red leadership that sought to overthrow Russian control of Russia.
>>28527753
the working class doesn't have property to be destroyed, that's what makes it the working class
>>28527755
if you believe in russian control of russia, why don'y you believe in worker control of work, which makes much more sense?
>>28527769
Small business owners are still working class, buddyboy. Destroying some poor fucker's hot dog stand is destroying his livelihood.
The working class hates you people.
>>28527804
>Small business owners are still working class
by definition they're not
>The working class hates you people.
as long as you change the definition to suit your emotions :^)
they are also a homgenuous mass :^)
>>28527638
election fraud, he was running a military state, his clique were in complete control
>>28527791
The majority of workers are stupid fucks who will never know how to run a company. CEOs are paid a shit load of money for a reason. Stay salty/jelly
>>28527830
proofs?
>>28527832
I will stay jelly because it enriches my life :^)
>>28527822
By definition, you're a dangerous criminal and the worker has the right to defend himself against you by putting a .45 acp up your ass.
>>28527848
more LARPing B^)
>>28527791
I do believe in workers rights, but communists and organized labour aren't the way. I have no problem with minimum wage, workmen's comp, and pensions when fiscally conservative. Communism and organized labour often are Jew ran and simply create a new class of "bourgeoisie" if you will, the very thing they claim to be against.
>>28527875
I gotta keep explaining to you anon, I'm talking about anarchism
>>28527865
>LARPing
Like you do every may day? x^)
>>28527947
I don't do it because I have no friends which is why I'm on /r9k/
but basically yes and it's good
>>28527899
Sorry, I confuse you for another person I believe. Anyway, I'm not against individual working rights, in fact I'm very for that. But even if workers seize the means of production (an idea often shared by anarchists and commies) there needs to be a leader dictating what people do on, say, the factory floor. If the manager isn't paid more than an average worker, he has little incentive to work any more than the people he's supposed to lead and supervise.
>>28527990
I don't think that's true, when you run something cooperatively you get to do away with the dogmatism that comes from having one leader and discuss and follow what seems best.
>>28527210
Not at all. As I clearly said that Fascism is a governing process, not an economic one.
Facists often use socialist-esque economic systems. As I said.
>>28527842
https://archive.org/stream/NestorMakhnoInTheRussianCivilWar/makhno_djvu.txt
>The electoral basis (of the command staff) exists in name only, as an external show. The command staff and its closest associates are chosen by Makhno himself.
Makhno recruited his manpower from the peasants and this was his main motivation for redistributing land and holding electiosn on the local government scale. You see a similar process through history with soldiers gaining political power, for example in ancient Greece the multitudes of professional oarsmen in the Athenian navy were given political rights leading to early democracy.
There was nothing outstandingly revolutionary about it.
>>28528042
this was published when the USSR still existed though
>>28528042
>>28528067
also it's literally just a quote from le icepick man
>>28528067
>asks for proof
>gets proof
>"no! propaganda! propaganda! LALALALALA it's not true if I don't like it!"
And this is why everyone hates anarchists.
>>28528117
it's actually just a trotsky quote though
>>28528126
How does that make it less true?
>>28528145
if I have to explain that to you you're stupid lol
>>28528011
There's always going to be a strongman who will rise to the mantle in any group, whether it be in a work environment or really just anywhere people interact. Although you lose the dogma, most people are submissive, and when one extremely dominant person comes about, a natural leader, a hierarchy is formed. Even in a co-op, there's friction within the unsaid hierarchy.
I have to go now, thanks for the conversation. Have a nice night/day anon.
>>28528164
okay bye anon, I don't agree with you but have a good one
>>28528157
Just because you don't like the guy who said it, doesn't make it less true
>>28528227
just because the guy who said it was Makhno's worst enemy and crushed the Kronstadt revolt doesn't make it historical evidence
>>28528247
History is written by the winners.
Better luck next time :(
>>28524708
You should get some sleep, OP. You got a long day at McDonald's tomorrow. Bernie is roasted and toasted now. Don't worry though; Trump is gonna MAGA!
>>28528266
this was written by tr*ts?
>>28528067
>>28528097
There are other sources in the same book.
>For the fourth congress, the scale of representation was to have been: one peasant or worker delegate per 3000 people, insurgents and Red Army men one delegate per unit, regiment, division, &c: plus staff and political party delegates. This was biased in favour of the military, most of whose units were less than 3000. The imbalance reappeared at the Olexandrivske congress.
>There was no electoral campaign for delegates
>How far the RVS in the spring of 1919 was a government has been much debated. Volin skirts the issue when he says that
>It [the RVS] was thus, in a certain sense, the supreme executive of the movement. But it was not at all an authoritarian organ. Only strictly executive functions were assigned to it. It confined itself to carrying out the instructions and decisions of the congress. At any moment it could be dissolved by the congress. 6
>The RVS may have given orders, but these were merely the executant (perhaps a less misunderstandable word than executive) consequences as indicated.
this is discussed in another source which is unbiased if not biased in favor of makhno where they admit the military had full executive power, the civilian government was akin to "his majesty's government"
http://www.nestormakhno.info/english/makfaq/h_6_5.htm
>>28528472
>Voline
>>28528472
the army had more of a say in the army?
MAKHNO WAS A CLOSET AUTHORITARIAN
