As you know of this meme genre, it's goal is to poke fun at the commercialism and the corporatism of the 80's by taking previous songs and showing their disposability by re purposing them in a way to make them sinister sounding. Anyways the point is FUCK VEKTROID, IT'S SO EASY TO TAKE AN 80'S SONG SLOW IT DOWN AND CUT IT UP. IT'S FUCKING LAZY AND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY CALL IT GOOD MUSIC IS INFURIATING, IT'S JUST AS TRITE AS THE MUSIC IT'S MAKING FUN OF (Yes I get that's the point but it's so easy to make a criticism like that, that it's basically babby's first parody) It's lazy and stupid and incredibly pretentious. There's definitely good vaporwave artists that aren't just stealing and ripping off music so I ask you robots, do you have any?
>it's goal is to poke fun at the commercialism and the corporatism of the 80's by taking previous songs and showing their disposability by re purposing them in a way to make them sinister sounding
What
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRU_zS6zxG0
>>28507601
That's not vaporwave, that's french house yo.
>>28507578
I don't think most of the people who listen to it even recognize it as parody. It's just a pastiche of the '80s, favored by people who weren't alive in the '80s.
I like some '80s throwback kinda stuff, but not really vaporwave. (Listening to VHS Glitch right now, dunno what their genre is called, Synthwave or something?)
>>28507578
>As you know of this meme genre, it's goal is to poke fun at the commercialism and the corporatism of the 80's by taking previous songs and showing their disposability by re purposing them in a way to make them sinister sounding
is that really what it is? i can name a couple really great collections (eco virtual, eccojams, balentz) that downplay or outright avoid voice samples entirely.
the best vaporwave ditches the low-pitch vocals meme, it just holds the actual music back. i get that that's the point but it's still retarded.
>>28507625
No yeah that's my issue, I actually love the vaporwave that tries to forge its own identity instead of just being a meme. Esprit, Blank Banshee, 2 8 1 4, and more really try to nail the aesthetic vs. just blatantly taking songs and slowing them down.
It's exactly like Death Grips; an interesting concept highjacked by underaged memers. I blame Yung Lean.
>>28507623
That's more synthwave or outrun, or something along those lines. But yeah it's just annoying that people consider this music as anything other than needless self-masturbatory "i'm so smart" kinda thing.
>>28507658
Yung Lean started out good, but then he just became any other struggle rapper on soundcloud it's such a shame. Instead of riding the cloud rap wave he decided to get on the Future band wagon and is IMO worse off for it.
http://youtu.be/oH-WC0mlU2Y
R23X
>>28507666
>other than needless self-masturbatory "i'm so smart" kinda thing.
what are these ridiculous elastic hate words you've applied to absolutely nothing of notability at all
>>28507708
I thought it was clear by the picture. I've read interviews with Vektroid (aka Macintosh Plus and various other pseudonyms) and she just seems like what she's doing with her music is something so incredibly clever or amazing satire. It's just really annoying because the music isn't indicative of any sort of musical talent and I'm not talking about the music itself but the intent behind it. It's just annoying and the memes people keep going on about. "lol a e s t h e t i c s" "lol japanese text" It just makes me hate the internet.
>>28507578
>Anyways the point is FUCK VEKTROID, IT'S SO EASY TO TAKE AN 80'S SONG SLOW IT DOWN AND CUT IT UP.
That's literally the whole genre.
c: whosampled.com
Have you seen Vaperror though? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDR7dWeEecs
>>28507666
Been listening to a lot of retrowave and synthwave like pic related recently and enjoy it for the most part, its easy to listen to for a long time and relaxing
Used to listen to chillwave and trance type music a lot as well because it was really comfy and assisted my escapism for a few years
What genre is this exactly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hCQpRtyzAM
Can't stop listening to it, its like crack its so good
>>28507795
It's funny though because if you listen to Far Side Virtual which ripped off a lot of the ideals for vaporwave from that is an all original work. And yeah, I have heard vaperror, he's one of the good ones.
>>28507800
That's EDM Trap.
>>28507818
I meant that Vektroid ripped off the ideas from Far Side Virtual
>>28507578
you're like five years late senpai
>>28507578
>IT'S SO EASY TO TAKE AN 80'S SONG SLOW IT DOWN AND CUT IT UP
does being easy to make mean that the art is worth less?
>>28508657
....yes idiot
>>28508727
and why would that be?this statement is original btw
>>28507578
I really like MACINTOSH PLUS
>>28508750
I'll explain it real simple for you:
>if less than 1% of the population can do something, it is generally known that it is difficult and requires massive dedication, take composing classical music for instance
>if anyone with a Mac and some time on their hands can do it it is not worth as much
How is this not true
>>28508822
So what you are saying is this: "exclusivity makes quality".
Do you not see the obvious flaws in your statement?
>>28508852
It's not that it's exclusive its that it actually requires having skills and knowledge
>>28508873
That's exactly what "exclusive" means.
You're clearly a bit slow in the head, senpai
>>28508896
Fuck it dude okay fine just believe everyone wins and there's no such thing as talentless losers
>>28509007
That's not how art works either.
You're clearly too simple to talk with about this.
>>28509031
So by your flawless logic here I could draw a dot on a piece of paper and that is art? Didn't take any hard work on my part but how dare you say it's not worthwhile because it was easy to make
>>28509031
OP here, thought this thread died heh. Anyways this is what my problem is. It's very easy to shit out something and then claim it as something else. I love music to death, but this is so simply a case of someone that is trying to make a statement but so clearly failing to get it across. Can you not then say that the art has failed?
Some of it sounds pretty cool. The problem is that it all follows a template. At some point it all seemed derivative.
Sampling isn't really a parody. I'm a huge fan of hip-hop myself, and I really hate it when people are lazy about choices of samples. Like when they just pick some really obvious things that were popular at some point and try to ride off that success. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manual That fucking Pitbull song that samples A-ha's Take On Me is a super obvious example of what makes me mad.
In Vaporwave at least the sample choices are inspired. The problem is everyone is just kinda copying each other's aesthetic, there's not a lot to set the artists apart from each other.
>>28509220
OP here again. Don't get me wrong, I agree. I love hip-hop and DJ Screw but at the very least you know what you're getting out of it. Just some songs to chill out to. Vaporwave tries to hide behind the guise that it's really smarter than people give it credit for, which it isn't. And to your second point, I don't really think the samples are all that inspired honestly at least not as far as mainstream vaporwave is concerned (could I sound anymore hipster).
>yfw japan invented vaporwave before it was ironic and called vaporwave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJEzRA_FbFo
>>28509325
Couldn't you say that about any of the songs sampled by vaporwave producers?
>>28509282
When I first saw it I thought it was cool. Like anything trendy it was quickly ruined for me by the sheer number of people jumping on the bandwagon (I might be going down a path even more hipster than you are) that made it seem so played out.
It's something I heard about in 2012 I think? Has it evolved at all since then? That's how things sounded back then, like look at A$AP Rocky's LiveLoveA$AP. The influence from that kinda stuff has lasted. You hear it in the songs by The Weeknd that are constantly on the radio. It's getting old I think. I want to hear something different.
>>28507578
Hong Kong Express. You do realize that you pretty much summarized the original artists to the genre, right? Because of many of your reasons listed, artists went on to make more original pieces. Then again, you used Floral Shoppe as your example so you probably just watched Memeguy Fagtano's video and decided you'd c&p his argument to see (You)s. Saint Pepsi -> Skylar Spence is a good example of a beneficial transition after realization that niggas need to move on from the meme shit. He wasn't as lazy as some other producers, but he did rip other songs in his beginning songs (see his album Hit Vibes), but he's gone on to make wonderful original pieces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw_7UrqzNUg
>>28509376
Yeah that's what got to me too, first the bandwagoners, then the memes, then the ironic memes, the the normies came.
It has evolved into even more stupid and splintered subgenres, but it all comes back to vaporwave. It's honestly still pretty much the same. Which is annoying because while I love A$AP Rocky, the ones who evolved that sound specifically Spaceghostpurrp get left behind and everyone moves on to the next big thing.
>>28509405
No I just hate Vektroid in general and anything she released under her pseudonyms. Saint Pepsi isn't vaporwave though, he dabbled with it but I wouldn't consider an eminent artist of the genre. But I definitely enjoy his later work.
>>28507758
>she she her
w-w-w-what
>>28509442
He definitely fits more into the sub-genre of Vaporwave entitled "Future Funk". How do you feel about this album? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3bxhofufFg
I know it's still Vektroid, but I find myself mindlessly listening to it while gaming at odd hours of the morning pretty often.
Sick of these memes man
>>28507800
>>28507824
I'd say more Ethereal Trap than EDM Trap. EDM Trap usually has those shitty vocal samples near the drop and spread throughout.
>>28509487
hooray for paulstretch
It's like Clams Casino without the beats, and when there are beats they're weak.
>>28509481
Yes Vektroid is a woman.
>>28509487
Future Funk is basically French House though, I hate these "micro-genres" sometimes but oh well. I think that album is alright, still nothing special. What pissed me off once was that one of her songs was literally just a midi version of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkRKT6T0QLg. One vaporwave artist that I actually really like is Eco Virtual who while samples a bit really adds their own flair to the music.
>>28509533
These goddamn "micro-genres" I swear.
>>28509541
Pretty much, that's how I feel about some of these works. It's so lazy, you have to wonder at some point if they realize they're just as bad as the artists they're using to make their point.
>>28509558
But it's not French. It has Japanese inspiration and sampling, follows the general appearance of Vaporwave to a degree, and is usually higher tempo. I could almost understand Disco House but French House isn't exactly the right pitch. You complain about nitpicking with genres, but people define themselves by different labels. If you check the Future Funk and French House tags on Bandcamp you'll see some crossovers but many selections noticeably different.
>>28509622
Hell some people even call Future Funk "broporwave" because it doesn't fit within what Vaporwave is going for
>>28509622
French House is just a name.
The other, more accurate genre name is "filter house", because the entire thing is "steal some loop off a disco or funk record, put a kickdrum below it and fuck with a filter for 5 minutes"
Which happens to be exactly what "Future Funk" is.
>>28509575
I realize at this point that there's no point in trying to reshape your opinion, but I'm just going to say that someone can try really fucking hard at something and that won't make the result good. Just because something requires less work, variety, or originality doesn't mean it can't be appreciated. Repackaging is looked down upon in many ways, but maybe someone that enjoys the originals wants a different twist on it. Take a look at covers, remixes, and acapella versions of songs. Sure, they're not forging the meaning of the song through lyricism, but there's more to music than just the words. Music is also a sound. You're like the stubborn asshats that brag about their old school rap on the bus when the beats they had sounded like they were made by a first timer on Garageband. After the lyrical message is sent, repeated multiple times, that essence of the song loses its value. So what's left? The music that helps the words flow.
>>28509666
That's basically what I'm trying to get at when I call it French House. I dislike that it's become so widely accepted as another genre when it's the same as another but "more aesthetic"
>>28509682
I'll fight you let's go. I have no problem with repurposing, if you're familiar with the artist by the name of The Caretaker, they do a much MUCH better job of portraying the mood their trying to achieve with their music. Oneohtrix Point Never is one of my favorite artists and R Plus Seven is one of my favorite albums and it does practically what vaporwave tries to but fails to really achieve with an almost masterful level of composition. Again with covers, remixes, and acapellas they're putting their own twist on it. Yes the same can be said for vaporwave but for many of the artists it was just a bandwagon they jumped on. Far Side Virtual and Chuck Person's eccojams are what created vaporwave and they have a lot more restraint and artistic talent than Vektroid ever had.
Go back to your containment board, and accept that you really are just gay, you insufferable fucking faggots
>>28509749
Isn't that what r9k is for?
>>28509720
We have different opinions. You can't really justify a right or wrong when interpreting art. I listened to Replica by OPN pretty often when first discovering Vaporwave and can say I thoroughly enjoyed it. I never said anything about Vektroid being better than anyone else. I get that some people do take a major advantage of meme-wave music genres like Seapunk and Vaporwave, but you brush past it and look for the true artists.
>>28509749
>>28509757
/r9k/ was originally a test board for an anti-spam system.
/trash/ is more of a containment board.
The thing is OP, people like vaporwave before they know what it is. The first time anyone hears macintosh plus they immediately need to know what it is and where to get more.
it has inherent aesthetic value.
you are the one being pretentious, because you let your knowledge of its origin prevent you from enjoying it, just like someone who won't drink heineken because it's a macro brew even though it objectively tastes good.
>>28509325
90% of vaporwave songs are barely even edited
>>28509778
>it has inherent aesthetic value.
>you are the one being pretentious
Don't make me laugh anon
>>28509776
No I got you, I just don't like that first and second wave of artists that kinda came in and really watered down the genre. I'm talking about the records everyone knows, the most accessible which is a shame because like you said but most won't go looking for the good stuff. Saint Pepsi when he did vaporwave stuff, like actually vaporwave, the way that he put the music together really made it something special. Other artists it feels like they cut wherever they damn well pleased without any consideration to the scope of the album.
>>28509778
I love sampling and enjoy when many of my favorite producers i.e. Madlib, J Dilla, and etc sample something crazy but there's certainly artistic merit to it. These compositions by prominent vaporwave artists lacks that.
>>28509794
Barely meaning? I'd seriously like to see proof of this.
>>28509820
Shut up cuck.
>>28509829
>c-c-cuck
>>28509820
what did he mean by this?
>>28509828
artistic virtuosity is not necessary for aesthetic appeal. just because something is easy to make doesn't mean you should enjoy it less.
>>28509861
But it's not even that, it isn't good. At least to me and yeah I shouldn't apply that to everyone but I really don't find it aesthetically pleasing. This is coming from a dude who enjoys pop music, it's not the issue. Sometimes pop music has no inherit musical value but it's still good. Vaporwave has no inherit musical value as is the point, but it's boring as fuck. Floral Shoppe is incredibly boring.
>>28509882
I actually agree with you on that, the only good song i've heard in the whole genre is 420, but 420 is a great fucking song
>>28509908
Oh yeah definitely for as much as I've been shit talking it. 420 is definitely a great song haha.
>>28509829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKniL0ukQbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWHj2SWGR0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CpfZfyTClY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6J5ciRpVcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhQ8wC0UjH4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90-5fpLdb-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQGvlemqUpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVQjolEMwA
I'm sure you already recognize all these
>a-a-a-at least the visuals are original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI4BrXPMeZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVuuRxM2VU
>>28507578
This reminds me of early ytp but for music
>people taking meme music this seriously
>nobody talks about witch house, seapunk or cloudrap
>vaporwave is literally the fedora tipping autist's go to genre to pretend they actually like music
uhhh.... so is vaporwave the yeezy for people that don't browse /mu/?
>>28507618
>literally made by a vaporwave artist
>no it's french house
r9k really is full of autism
>>28507578
That's not all it is, man.
For me, the Vaporwave that I like is more about, not criticizing this culture, but enjoying it, reliving it, celebrating it. It might've started out like shit, but it ended up something... Well shit I'm gonna say it, unique. It grew into its own
Definitely check out ElFamosoDemon's channel on Youtube, he has a bunch of Vaporwave as well as other electronica, and they all have slick as fuck music videos. Here's my top faves, with two non VW videos thrown in.
St Pepsi - enjoy yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hI0qMtdfng
m a i t r o - INDIGO PLATEAU! (the music video for this one is fucking choice)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzxGPit_8UQ
Vanilla - Summer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dYPYAMxviw
SHAG - Know the Feelin' (technically not Vaporwave but produces a similar feel for me)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZWHVo-t2Vo
Daedelus - You've Heard (also technically not vaporwave, although I suppose it could be considered almost a pre vaporwave?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3bN29DC0Ac
>>28508822
I dunno man, I see where you're coming from, but that doesn't mean the something simple can't have the emotional quality for the viewer/listener that a more complex piece can.
I play classical guitar, and some of the most emotional pieces I can play are some of the simplest, like El Testament D'Amelia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRKInwLq5FE
Sure it's no great symphonic piece, but it still hits home just as well as anything an orchestra can do
>>28507578
i love vaporwave i don't care that you hate most of it also just listened to this https://soundcloud.com/argenteuil/tin-can-1
>>28507578
some tracks got a good beat tho
>>28511369
Indigo Plateau is a personal favorite of mine out of these
>>28507578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7x6lxCBRsw
>>28507618
but that's wrong, and you're retarded.
>>28507658
I like death grips but i'll admit they have one of the worst fanbases, its seriously hard to find people who like them for reasons other than memes or to be pretentious and pretend like you have good taste in music.
Do you guys into mallsoft?
>not enjoying whatever you want to while avoiding fanbases entirely
the only way to enjoy anything in 201X is to pretend the rest of the retards don't exist
i like grime despite it being the go-to genre for chavs, hooligans, and outright criminals because the rhymes are tight for example
>>28507578
>it's goal is to poke fun at the commercialism and the corporatism of the 80's
nah, it's a meme made up by wiki leftists
vaporwave is more about nostalgic memories, they're imperfect, cut-up and we perceive time flow back in the day as being slower than the one we feel at the moment
>>28514007
James Bond is right. Plus it helps if you go to artists who have no social media presence whatsoever.
>>28514023
this. the 80s and 90s were comfy tier
Whereas other genres of music usually have an underlying message or goal, vaporwave is devoted to evoking pure aesthetic and feeling. It gives the listener nostalgia for things you didn't even know they could be nostalgic for, like Pepsi or living in 90's Japan, or even for a time in which you were not present for. It takes the excess of information caused by the digital age - infomercials, musak, CD-ROMs, operating system noises, etc. - and brings out its own special beauty of sorts. Vaporwave is nuanced, however. It can evoke both the charm and novelty of 80's and 90's advertising, and also the melancholy of modern artifice, of showcasing what exactly makes advertising so powerful - the promise of happiness.
To play devil's advocate, it shouldn't matter whether or not vaporwave samples or has original compositions (it should matter, however, if someone is trying to profit off of another's work). Original compositions are nice and should be encouraged, but using samples is inherently part of vaporwave. Slapping together some Roman statues and Japanese text a vaporwave song does not make, though (I guess that makes me a hypocrite because I loved MACINTOSH PLUS).
>>28513778
Oh man, mallsoft is such a small subsect of vaporwave, but I hope it catches on. Have any reqs? I'm always a fan of "officewave", or vaporwave that is centered around computer tech, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wjuqk7-kFc&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_phkY6usCF4 MAGAwave (all of the tracks sound like they're being played through a wall, but East 56th Street is bumpin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW0VYKtJisw Opus no. 1 - the ultimate vaporwave track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhebjl-7XbE waterfront dining - funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSiggSGg-Hw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ZZOmjO5Ww I can't not post Seinwave
>>28514831
Seinwave is my new favorite thing for the day.
>>28507578
>im actually listening to A1 from floral shoppe
huh
>>28507578
Future Funk is pretty lit op. It's an offshoot of vaporwave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbWS0j2fulY
>listen to vapormeme
>like it because it sounds comfy and helps me concentrate on whatever tasks I'm doing
>don't give a shit about "Muh evil capitalism"-meme
am I doing it right?
>>28516428
couldn't do it any better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9L4q-0Pi4E
2814 is top comfy
>>28516517
T-Thanks bruh
>>28507578
Vapor hop is the only good vapor subgenre. Check out vaperror, blank banshee, fluence, and computer dream 95
>>28516225
>that bass in the opening track
aww fucking yiss
You can't be listening to vaporwave by itself. You have to be doing something else and have it in the background
>>28507666
>>other than needless self-masturbatory "i'm so smart" kinda thing.
I don't think that's really a thing, yeah there are elements of that- people will always try to intellectually discuss stuff but you look at most youtube comments it'd either be ironic meming or saying how comfy it is. The whole superior element isn't as prominent as you seem to think it is
Vaporwave won't make sense unless you're into other sample-based stuff like screwed n' chopped hip-hop, DJ Shadow, experimental ambient, etc.
Mac Plus is actually a really interesting album that way because it's a style of vaporwave that is totally unlike its predecessors, Chuck Person and James Ferarro. The closest thing that Vektroid put out to Chuck Person is New Dreams Ltd. Initiation Tape. There's even a track that samples Africa by Toto as a tribute to Chuck Person. James Ferraro kinda picked up where Kraftwerk left off with the corporate robot voices, but he reduced it to absurdity.
Mac Plus style might not take a ton of production chops, but it does take curatorial/DJ sensibility. If you listen to Color Ocean Road by Vektroid, you'll hear a lot more original synth sounds and drum production coming in.
>>28517379
This is somewhat true I'm drawing/painting or cleaning usually. It's also nice to hear while driving, want to go cruising at night this summer. Ultimate comfort.
>>28518162
I love the Avalanches, I love DJ Shadow, I'm familiar with DJ screw. What the fuck are you talking about though? What curation has she done? She really hasn't done shit with these tracks. There's nothing crazy about any of the track she's found. With DJ Shadow & The Avalanches, they still haven't even found half of the samples used.
>>28511369
Daedelus is usually considered one of the LA Beat scene progenitors, I think it's considered wonky?
>>28513725
Yeah I definitely get that sometimes, and then people act like JUST because Death Grips are experimental that it makes them cool.
>>28516709
I'm already all over them, I absolutely adore the albums they've put out.
