Who /learningJapanese/ here? I'm 2 months in and I feel like I don't know anything.
And you call that learning? If you actually was learning something, that would not happen, get back to learning or give up.Bakayaro
That's how I felt the first few months like I was just aimlessly learning words but didn't have a clue how to put them together or make a sentence. Took me about 6 months before it all really came together.
lol idiot
You're not going to be fluent in 2 months. It takes most people at least a year or two before they can reliably read, write and talk to people.
Hiragana and katakana are easy. Kanji is gay. Grammar is tricky at first, but after a while you kind of just get it.
I've been learning for like two years and I can still hardly speak at all, and I can barely read the simplest comics while still failing to understand half of it.
I should probably kill myself.
>>28431069
I've been learning for just over six months now,. I think one of the trickiest things about the language is that there's no spaces between words. Really fucks me up.
>>28431069
you'll get it if you keep trying
I'm 4 years in and I feel like I don't know anything
>>28432962
this is discouraging.....
How many hours a day would I need to invest so I can learn Japanese within a year?
>>28431069
I did it for about 6 months, sidetracked from it with video games, tried again then realized that it is actually a waste of my time.
>>28433041
How many hours a day would I need to invest so I can grow 3' taller within a year?
>>28433029
you have no context anon, dont worry, some dumbass will tell you he has been saving up for a car for 4 years but he works at mcdonalds
>>28433041
I was pretty comfortable and able to read most visual novels doing 4-5 hours a day.
Start the kanji as soon as possible.
Whatever you do OP, make sure you jump into kanji ASAP. Learn the radicals, download Anki, grab a premade deck, and do flashcards as often as possible.
A solid knowledge of kanji is essential for reading even comics, which is a hell of a lot more fun than learning from textbooks all the time.
I've been "learning" Japanese for quite a few years, and I felt completely lost in college classes for the first two because we focused almost solely on grammar and wantonly ran through random kanji with no rhyme or reason. Once I dropped traditional education and started studying on my own, I started making huge gains.
>>28433041
Alright anon, imagine that you were Japanese.
You learn Engrish. Now tell me, do you also understand all the slang that you currently know, the accents you can understand which is already a bitch as a native English speaker sometimes, the different dialects? That is what made me give up on understanding moonrunes, I'll be like a dictionary who has no cultural background of the language I'm learning, a robot that knows the necessities and nothing else.
I want to learn but I don't know where to even start. I know zero about Japanese, how it even works or anything. Babbie's introduction to nip pls
>>28433415
Read something about Pareto distribution in language.
In English, 90% of everyday writing consists of around 1000-2000 words, and the average person uses far less in everyday speech.
I'd imagine a similar principle applies to Japanese. You might not know all the stuff, but you'll hardly need to for the vast majority of all the slang and other rare expressions. Nobody knows any language perfectly.
The same applies to culture. The average person doesn't really know much about his own culture either, so it's not that big of a deal.
>>28433743
tae kim's grammar guide is the best language guide that I know of in general.
>>28431656
longer than that
in a year you'll most likely be speaking very very broken japanese and know about 25% of the shit you see in magazines and shows
after two years you'll mostly understand it but have really broken speech
I'd say to be really fluent it's going to take about 3-4 years no matter the language
hell, I took 5 years of spanish and I can barely understand when people talk to me
why do poeple want to learn Japanese
to watch anime and play un translated games? kek if you go there they'll yell "WAITU PIGU GO HOMU"
well I guess it's a good hobby to passively learn a language so more power to you
You can't learn Japanese.
>>28433743
Read DJT intro guide.
Usually the steps are hiragana and katakana, then start learning some vocab and kanji and keep grinding. Read the basic grammar rules and advance steadily while you improve by reading a lot.
The process is nothing complicated, what's hard is the time and effort that you have to put on. I started two years ago, but what i've studied until now is worth only two months max.
>>28431069
that didnt stop james clavell from selling books about it
2 month isn't anything for Japanese niggA, took me 2 months until I could read manga and visual novels more or less fluently
>>28435294
I mean took me 2 years, I hate writing on my phone.
>>28431069
>been learning since October
>Still don't understand shit
I feel like I need a new approach. I can piece togethee babby news articles, but attempting to read doujinshi throws me the fuck off.
You'll study for years upon years, and you still won't know shit. There are random idiots on the internet falsely extrapolating their experience studying baby languages like French and Spanish to learning Japanese. Never listen to them. If you're a native English speaker and you start learning in your late teens, it will take you about 10 to 15 years to call yourself fluent IF ever. And even then, there will still be a fuckton of shit you won't know. Your first goal should be to pass N1 in late 2018. If you fail that, make it happen by late 2019. If you fail again, then pic related.
If you have the money the best thing to do is just to move to the country and take the plunge. I've racked up a few Asian languages just by living here and passively absorbing.
>>28435378
>been learning for <relatively short amount of time especially in the context of the language I'm learning>
>I can understand easy stuff
>but not hard stuff
>I need to try something different
I want to Leanne runes so I can play jap games, and sometimes my porn isn't translated.
Easiest way to get started? I Donny care about speaking it much, but I guess sunless anime is a plus
>>28435419
Thanks anon, that genuinely made me feel better. I just gotta keep grinding vocab and plunging into reading.
>>28435432
Maybe you oughta learn english first anon :^)
Start by reading Tae Kims guide to Japanese grammar. Download anki and the core 2k deck. It contains 2000 very common Japanese words in flashcard format. But before all that, memorise Hirigana and Katakana. You can learn those two in a week through grinding them into your long term memory.
>>28435078
Why would anyone want to learn any language?
Not all Japanese are xenophobic, and many are welcoming to westerners. I don't think foreigners should move to Japan permanently, and I myself wouldn't want to, but it's a nice place to visit.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to enjoy anime and manga in their original language, for someone who already enjoys them in English. Both are more enjoyable that way.
Any language is a potentially useful skill and Japanese can be an interesting challenge for native English speakers. It can be done by anyone, so long as you're willing to put in lots of time, and to never give up reading and listening, even when things don't quite make perfect sense. The experience of being able to think in a newly-acquired second language for the first time is mind-blowing and worth it.
I studied Japanese for 1-2 years anI its not so difficultfor me.I know 5 languages so maybe I am just experienced. I recommend learning how to just read Japanese and not really writing or speaking. Just comprehension.
>>28435432
Hiragana and katakana
Then Take Kim
Then start memorizing kanji with Kana
Try to star reading some easy stuff like any random moege and then gradually move to more difficult stuff
If you have any question go to the djt threads on /a/
>>28435697
I mean star memorizing kanji with anki fucking phone holy shit
>ordered a manga on abebooks
>they sent me the japanese edition
I guess it's a good time as any to start
>start trying to learn Japanese, not just for weeb reasons
>learn hiragana and katakana in a day
>get an app, planned to just keep quizzing myself until it's second-nature before moving on to kanji
>two days later mom sees app
>"Anon that's pretty silly. Learn something actually useful like Spanish or Greek instead."
>can't bring myself to delete the app
>move it into "useless stuff" folder
>>28435769
>Greek
>Useful
Anon, don't be such a beta. Tell your mum to fuck off. Would you rather talk to qt jap girls, or dirty brown greeks and spics?
Took me 2 years to pretty much get everything I could get from textbooks.
Now it's just pure experience based learning like play on words and accents and the more obscure vocabulary. Also just learning the language isn't enough, like you need to know the "in-jokes" and cultural aspects too. It's a forever ongoing process but I can read it so that's what matters.
I don't have anyone to talk to so actually learning how to talk naturally is probably the hardest thing. Like I know all the vocabulary, the sentence fillers, the proper structure but actually not sounding like a goon is pretty hard when you're just talking based on textbooks so most of my speaking skills actually come from eroge which I'm ashamed to admit but it seems to work.
I've just been reviewing stuff I know already to keep it fresh in my mind and playing pretty much only Japanese games, mainly just tons of eroge. Learning while I fap is the greatest thing.
>>28435769
Greek isn't useful and it's probably even harder than Japanese.
>>28435843
Have you considered posting on Jap message boards and forums?
>>28435769
english is literally the only language you will ever need if you aren't trying to be a translator or work in mexico or some shit
as somebody who was fluent as fuck in spanish, I used it so little that I can barely speak it anymore
learn something you'll actually fucking use and enjoy
>>28435769
>Greek
No one fuckin speaks Greek
English/Spanish/Chinee are definitely the trinity of useful languages but Japanese is relatively useful if you ever plan to visit there or live there.
>>28435843
If I just want to play japanese porn games, do I need kanji?
>>28435843
you live a disgusting existence and should kill yourself as soon as possible
>>28435934
>if I want to play a game with a lot of vocabulary, do I need to know more than 50% of a language?
>>28432962
robots are retards thats probably why their such degenerates
>>28435934
Yes, it's extremely important.
>tfw understand the Spanish language and can write and speak fairly complex sentences but have no clue how to understand it when Spanish is spoken to me, even basic conversational stuff
>>28435934
Of course you need you meme
It's too hard and I don't have enough time or discipline. I'll be better off saving money and hiring a personal translator/maid/concubine.
>>28435843
>I don't have anyone to talk to so actually learning how to talk naturally is probably the hardest thing
I have this same problem. I've taken to using Japanese when I talk to myself out loud.
I don't even need a native speaker, just a weeb friend to chat with in Japanese would be nice.
>>28435975
Chili con carne
Vaya con Dios
>>28435843
>tfw I can read this
She's saying thank you right?
>>28436081
Yes, you get a gold star. Good job.
>>28435934
Unless you plan on playing games and reading manga for 10 years olds forever yeah you do
>>28435975
You have to get to the point where you aren't trying to translate the words, once you get to that point in any language you're on your way to mastering it
t. Spanish major, Japanese minor
>>28436124
I-It's habbening.
>>28436219
>tfw starting to get to the point where I just think of what I'm trying to say and a few words pop into my head and I think "yea that's right I think"
>not even thinking of what a word is supposed to mean when I see it
ids habendg?
>>28435843
This is what I don't get. Is every one of those symbols supposed to be a word or what? It's like looking at gibberish.
>>28436320
They (generally) represent a consonant and a vowel together. Words are (in general) a few of them strung together.
examples
>dare
>sono
>desu
>watashi (note: sh is treated as a single consonant in most cases I think)
there are exceptions though
>>28435843
Something-ko
>>28436320
That's like basic hiragana man, altogether they form a word.
>>28436354
>>28436320
Actually, I'm pretty sure that's only like 1/3 of the language I'm talking about, one or two of the 3 different writing systems
>>28436293
Yeah, kinda
Like when I started speaking Spanish I would try to think of what I wanted to say in English and then translate. After a while, I didn't think about it in English, I could just formulate a response because my brain had made the connection with the words. If you study any speech-language pathology you see that the point where the brain stops trying to translate is the point where you really start to get the language. I still have some problems with writing because I usually try to be more articulate with writing and that's just a flaw of mine but yeah speaking it is really fun once you can stop thinking about it.
>>28436320
They're more like syllables than words.
>>28435843
Is her name in kanji? Looks like fucking nonsense.
>>28436372
You got half of it.
>>28435078
>to watch anime and play un translated games?
Yep. I have no plans of going to japan, I just want to play lewd games.
Going to Japan in a little over a week and know FUCKING NOTHING.
Im going to fucking DIE out there man.
I just need enough to get through 3 weeks but nothing is sticking.
>>28431591
Wow, surprised that is an original post familia. Also, OP should kill himself as soon as possible. Fuck off with your pedo cartoons.
>>28438410
>I just need enough to get through 3 weeks
the fuck does that even mean
>>28438487
Don't need to know enough tro move there and integrate or some shit like that, just need to know enough to be able to have basic interactions with people
>>28438512
People that have been studying for years can't do that. Just saiyan.
>>28438584
How the fuck can you study a language for years and not be at least fairly conversational?
Japanese is the first language Im learning that doesn't use a latin alphabet, but still, must be embarassing to spend LITERALLY years and not be able to interact with people
>>28431069
This is why I chose German, fuck this weeb shit, Japanese is hard as fuck to learn
>>28438626
>How the fuck can you study a language for years and not be at least fairly conversational?
You'll find out soon enough.
>>28438448
>being a moralfaggot
>on 4chan
L O L
Been learning for two years now. honestly it takes a lot of willpower and you'll find yourself constantly frustrated, but you'll also have those "I can understand this moments" only to immediately have it crushed by the tons of material you will have to learn
No one can really give you a time table on when you'll be able to understand the language, my guess based on my experience is first year for basic grammar / kana /start kanji/ you will not be able to read much of anything most likely. second year, more advance grammar / kanji / vocab. you'll be able to read basic shit, but if you want to read manga you'll be glued to a dictionary. Again, i'm probably a retarded loser with a sub 50 iq so take it with a grain of salt.
>>28432962
gee thanks for boosting my confidence that i will eventually learn this language op. youre a great guy.
>>28439180
You're welcome anon
original desu
>>28439180
Everyone is different. Some people just learn faster than others, some people have more time than others.
>>28431069
starting in at the logic level before I crank it up to place and route level
>>28436372
Touko
>>28435843
Is this game as fapworthy as it looks?
>>28436378
There are three major writing systems in Japanese.
Hiragana and katakana are syllabaries. That is, each symbol represents the sound of a syllable. These on their own hold no inherent meaning and are used similar to the alphabet to construct words. Each symbol has one unique reading (except for a handful when used as grammar particles).
Kanji is a bit more complex. Each symbol has at least one meaning and reading. Most have readings that come from the original Chinese pronunciation and others that come from the Japanese pronunciation. Kanji can appear alone, with other kanji, or with hiragana.
>>28435887
Learning a new language (any language ) is never a waste Jamal.
The more knowledge you have the more opportunities you get.
>Spend a year or so learning japanese
>It comes up in a conversation with my parents
>they ask why I'm not learning an actual language like french
a-at least its somewhat useful in Australia because of all the nips
>>28435078
nothin wrong with it i reckon. The japanese actually have a lot of nice literature and poetry too.
>>28431069
8 months here, still struggling to understand some sentences.
you'd probably learn more if you study consistently unlike me, who studies twice a week and only whenever i felt like it.
>>28440765
Sounds like your parents are casual racists
>>28440765
What the fuck is up with all these cunts going "hurr useless"
What are you gonna use French for? Even if you were solely using Japanese for business or something, Japan is still a hugely important country. It's not the most important, but it's up there. It's not useless by any stretch.
I'm already playing video games and reading shit without dictionary help.
Feels good man.
