What are the odds of Donald Trump winning the general election?
>>28427007
25-30% if I had to pull a number out of my ass.
>>28427007
0%
If it actually seems like he'll win, something will happen to take him out of the race. Expect some bullshit like him declaring that is was just a symbolic gesture to unite the nation and surface important issues or something. Which is code for, please don't assassinate me.what the fuck captcha
>>28427007
90%
Start packing your bags, pendayho. It's gonna be a long march back to el meheeco.
I don't think the majority of Americans want Trump, but it doesn't seem like there's a lot of enthusiasm behind Hillary
Imagine if Donald Trump gets elected and doesn't deport anyone or do any of the crazy shit he said
>>28427806
>deporting illegal immigrants and securing the nation's border is ''crazy shit''
The West's death can't come soon enough.
>>28427958
First of all he said more than just that, second of all you're an idiot if you think his plans are feasible
You're probably a hick retard, though
>>28427007
This dude >>28427212 has it right.
(also, is that a real captcha?)
>>28427007
I'd say 75%
This whole election is a fucking mess, it'll be Clinton vs trump in the end. I'm just not voting this year considering I hate both. They make George bush seem like a reasonable leader
>missmeyet.jpg
99%. Ciyah later, Pedro! Thanks for all the tacos and shit. No need to thank us for the good years you've had here.
>>28427958
building a gigantic pointless unpatrollable wall is pretty crazy yo
>people unironically supporting Trump
>being an angry redneck
>>28428074
and "making Mexico pay for it"
>>28428019
Deal with it, shitskin. If you hadn't sided with niggers and leftists, you may have kept yourself out of the oven.
>>28428019
>>28428091
>racism is bad mmkay?!D:
>but you're dumb white trash:^)
>>28428074
Why does it need to be patrolled? Just have drones fly around and shoot anyone on top of it without question. It's not a problem if Mexishits would just stay out of the fucking country.
>>28428019
>Immediately assume people following trump are retarded
see, I don't really support Trump because he's not solid on a lot of issues, but he actually puts forth issues that the United States has right now.
Illegal Immigration is #1 the worst issue in the United States right now.
Followed by the disparaging wage gap between the lower class and upper class (which has grown ridiculously steep in the past few years).
Followed by the Islamic terrorism problem that's been rocking the planet for the past 10 years (everything from boston bombing, paris massacre, belgium bombing, German rape spree, 9/11, california massacre, etc).
Trump calls out all 3 of these problems while other candidates tip toe or every bend their assholes wide open (Clinton) for more rapefugees.
I digress. It's 60% Trump 40% Clinton at the moment.
Take a good look at this post, when whites are the minority in 2050 this will be the new /pol/.
Viva la raza
>>28428136
I'm white, I can call people white trash. Just like it's not racist for a black guy to talk about problems in the black community but it would probably come off as racist if a white guy did it.
>>28428157
Illegal immigration is nowhere near the worst issue the US has. It's actually not even important enough that it should be a campaign issue.
>>28428119
I'm white, but nice try. Keep jacking off to tranny porn from your double wide trailer.
>>28428091
Except I'm Hispanic and I support him, you stupid white liberal scumbag.
>>28428219
Because you're an Uncle Juan
Trumptards don't like legal Hispanics either unless they're mega sellouts
>>28428182
If it isn't important, then why are so many people upset about it? Is it because they are just a bunch of dumb hicks who should bow down to your superior, nigger-studies educated intellect? Politicians dug their own grave by ignoring the white working class and bringing in shitskin hordes so they could get their lawns mowed for $2/h less. I love the chaos that is going to follow from this. I hope there is violence and bloodshed over this until every one of you pretentious elitist faggots are fuckibg dead.
>>28428261
>unless they're mega sellouts
What, you mean like actually integrating into American society?
>>28428291
Obviously. Nothing is worse than acting white. Better to be an illiterate gangster than to give in to the White Man's oppression.
>>28428182
>I'm white, I can call people white trash.
Your entire basis for white trash being ''they disagree with me politically''.
>>28428273
>people are upset about it so it's important
Great logic there, buddy. People got butthurt over a red Starbucks cup. Also, illegal immigration as a hot topic has largely waned over the years, until Trump made his entrance speech and continued saying a bunch of dumb shit to get ignorant white people riled up.
And if anything, it's the right wingers you support who are ignoring the white working class.
>>28428291
>>28428334
I'm not implying that, you retards. You can integrate into mainstream society without following right wing ideology.
>>28428355
No, it's because they're bigots. I don't mind if people disagree with me politically, but Trump supporters are pretty low. And I think not all of them are necessarily evil, just very misguided.
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. BELIEVE ME FOLKS.
>>28427007
Since nobody has actually bothered answering the question. Not very high, even notiriously right skewed polls have him beating Hillary within 1% or 3%. Keep in mind these same polls predicted an acceptable victory for Romney in 2016. Honestly everybody is fascinated by the prospect of a Trump victory but I'm more curious about what a Hillary total victory would do to the Republican Party and the right in general in America.
>>28428449
In 2012*
>>28428019
>it's unfeasible for a country that can send men to the moon and rovers to Mars to build a wall and deport illegals
>>28428449
Republican Party would have to produce more moderate candidates in the future. The last moderate Republican we had was probably Nixon but he was a crook.
>>28428476
That's a really dumb analogy, Cletus
It is actually more feasible to send a spaceship to the moon than it is to build a giant, stupid wall and make Mexico pay for it.
>>28428360
>And if anything, it's the right wingers you support who are ignoring the white working class.
They obviously are. And both Trump and Sanders have done a beautiful thing and awoken a great many people to the fact that "their" side doesn't care about what they think. There's no turning back now either. That "Christian conservatism" bullshit is dying out and people are nationalism is on the rise, while the left is becoming more socialist. Every time an establishment politician fucks them, we go further to the extremes. This world and all the fucking normies in it are going to boil in the sewage they've let pool up for so long.
>>28428400
>No, it's because they're bigots
>I don't mind if people disagree with me politically, but Trump supporters are pretty low
bigot.
NOUN
1.a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions
>hurr durr you can't deport 11 million people
You don't have to. As it sits right now illegal immigrants suck up a good portion of welfare, something like $24k a year in benefits on average per household and on average only pay back $11k of that in taxes.
So, it follows that what must be done is to increase checks and restrictions on welfare to keep the illegals from applying. And when they do apply, and it shows they are not legal citizens and cannot prove it, they are caught and deported.
As an added bonus, add more checks and restrictions to:
>purchasing vehicles, used or new
>renting or buying homes and property, used or new
>identities and legal status of employees must be verified whether you're a large multinational corporation, or a small mom and pop store
And that pretty much makes it impossible to live with any semblance of comfort in the USA for illegal immigrants.
If you're feeling extra cocky, pay out a reward to citizens who give information that leads to the deportation of an illegal immigrant.
I guarantee you they will self deport once they discover they can't leech comfortably off our country anymore, ICE won't have to do very much if such things were set in place.
>>28428525
Trump and Sanders are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, there is no way you could support both of them unless you care about nothing except attempting (key word) to be contrarian to mainstream politics.
![great-wall-of-china1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/soQWapE.jpg "great-wall-of-china1[1].jpg")
>>28428517
That must be why moon visits happened before pic related was built, right?
>>28428537
I'm only intolerant of people with extreme opinions, while Trump supporters are intolerant of people who aren't white and Christian.
>>28428556
>24k of welfare
Where did you pull that number from? Even a US born family that can actually abuse government assistance could not net anywhere near that much money in assistance.
And actually, I'm not completely intolerant of them because I'm willing to discuss issues at least. And while I disagree with them, they're entitled to their opinion even if it's horribly misguided.
Hillary and it really won't be close. Trump has no experience and has already damaged his party's solidarity.
The media will play it off like it's neck and neck and the world is ending, but it's really just for ratings.
>>28427007
like 99%. Thank god he's our next president.
>>28428559
How are you not fucking understanding me? I have said it as clearly as I know how. I want this world to burn. I want people killing each other over politics in the streets all over the west. I want people to distrust one another. And I'll get it too. Up until now, no matter the party, people could at least trust that the other party would at least TRY to do what they thought was was right. That trust is already breaking down. Just imagine how much more radicalized both the right and left would be after four years of more of the same under Clinton.
>>28428492
See I'm not so sure of that. I've actually considered that an internal civil war between the secular free market worshipping and religious nativist parts of the republican party is dawning on the horizon and a defeat this election could awaken long sleeping enmities between the two.
>>28428627
>I'm only intolerant of people with extreme opinions, while Trump supporters are intolerant of people who aren't white and Christian.
Your evidence for this being what, /pol/ shitposting?
>>28428074
The jews did it for Israel already. A jewish company is even going to be building it.
>dems won't vote for him
>chunk of republicans won't vote for him
it's very unlikely he wins, but meme magic is real
9/4 put the house on it, put wife and kids on it.
is there any actual evidence he will win? has he won any test polls yet?
45% for Trump if Hillary gets the nomination and Bernie doesn't run third party
95% if Bernie does run third party
30% if Bernie gets the nomination instead of Hillary
>inb4 buttblasted Berniefag
There's many more Bernie supporters that would refuse to vote for Hillary than Hillary supporters that would refuse to vote for Bernie. I think very few conservatives would vote Hillary if Trump got elected (despite Cruz threatening to support Hillary over Trump) because Trump has tapped into the minds of the average Republican so well. He's not afraid to admit that many conservatives in the US are xenophobic and unintelligent, and it's getting him support with the general populace. Bernie is the better choice to get a liberal in the white house, but the democratic party has already chosen Hillary as their golden horse, which could cost them in the end.
>hurr durr the wall is stupid and you can't make mexico pay for it
It's not stupid. In fact, many engineers say it can be build and the total cost would be somewhere between $17-20 billion.
It wouldn't just be a giant slab of concrete either, it would have cameras, seismic activity monitors, sonar, microphones and more to detect digging or trespassers.
Walls are one of the most effective tools to stop the movement of people on land, especially if they're opportunistic hordes of low-IQ 3rd worlders.
And yes, Mexico will pay for it. Just not directly, we'll have to foot the bill initially. The USA simply needs to enact a small tariff on their imports and exports (they rely heavily on us for everything) and to cut the aid we give them.
>>28428517
kek you don't even know what an analogy you pseudo-intellectual
>>28429094
A wall of that length with that level of technology would cost way more than 20 billion dollars.
Also,
>thinking your IQ is high
>>28429125
That was an analogy, bro.
>>28429147
An analogy is comparing to things, usually using the words "like" or "as". That anon did not do either of those.
>>28429175
You're thinking of similes
Probably around 50%. Currently, Hillary is leading Trump in the polls by ~6%. However, that doesn't take into account the fact that conservatives vote more, and that Trump will have a chance to BTFO Clinton during the debates.
>>28429234
I think the debate thing will be the other way around
Trump hasn't had to debate anyone with completely opposing views yet
its going to be so bad when hillary wins because of superdelegates or some shit like that
>>28429217
I look pretty dumb now lel
>>28429279
Hillary has a pretty solid lead over Bernie, she might not even need superdelegates
>>28429264
Before the primaries he never had to debate anyone, but he still well enough to win.
>>28429126
Not exactly. A single seismic monitor can detect digging for miles. A good one can cost a couple grand. Things tend to carry very far underground because unlike air, vibrations don't dissipate as quickly underground.
So if we, and this is all hypothetical, these numbers are pure guessing, assume we have a seismic monitor that is accurate to ~1 mile that costs say, $1,000, and our border is 1,989 miles, we could place a single monitor every mile along the border for the initial cost of $1,989,000 give or take another 3 million or so for the labor involved in installing them, and the computers to control them.
And then you have yearly upkeep in maintaining them which means we have to pay technicians to maintain them, sys admins to maintain the computers, and so on.
All in all the total cost of maintenance of the wall will be far below the cost of housing, feeding and dealing with the bullshit associated with hordes of brown monkey people.
Even if it did cost more than $20 billion it would be money well spent, you can't put a price on:
>keeping illegals out
>creating better wages for american workers because now companies have no other option but to hire people for fair wages
>decreasing drug availability in the illegal drug market
>increased security along one of our weakest points
>>28428045
yes.
Captchas can be stupidly big and when you click on all that need apply, it will say "fuck you, ya didn't pick all the street signs, do it again you faggot"
once got a captcha that said "pick all the street signs" and it was just a close up pic of a tractor
>>28429329
you are pretty clueless 2bh
>>28429329
Point 1,3, & 4 are the exact same reason.
2 won't ever happen because people are lazy. You think someone is going to work 40 hours a week doing labor intensive work?
Do you think small business owners are going to employ non immigrants at a legal rate that can only work a maximum of 40 hours?
Also, if people wanted more jobs, just go to college and get a degree. A good one.
Don't get me wrong, I hate immigrants as much as the next guy, but unfortunately they'll never leave.
>>28429410
Wow, nice argument faggot you sure convinced me with that well thought out, concise argument.
>>28428517
It's not stupid, it's necessary to prevent an unfavorable demographic shift.
>>28429433
>You think someone is going to work 40 hours a week doing labor intensive work?
I do it every week. Sometimes close to 50-60 hours of overtime.
I make good money despite being a warehouse worker, $15.50/hr and I drive a forklift, pick and pack product, kit product, stacking pallets, manually stacking product on pallets, and much more. I'm on my feet all day lifting between 45-60lbs. The irony is that the Mexicans end up quitting before anyone else, all they do is bitch and complain and fuck shit up or steal shit.
>but anon why don't you go to college?
I plan on going soon, I do want a better job don't get me wrong. I've been working this one since I graduated highschool.
>Do you think small business owners are going to employ non immigrants at a legal rate that can only work a maximum of 40 hours?
Not our problem. Change your business model to account for this or get out, because someone else with the know-how, expertise and resources will take up the market vacuum you leave when your business goes bankrupt.
>>28429570
Used to work for a restaurant in college. The immigrants in the kitchen (and every kitchen everywhere) would work 6 days a week, for 10+ hours a day. All paid cash.
Do you think all those restaurants will hire 3-4 more people at a maximum of 40 hours, and have them all insured, filed under tax, and pay them livable wages?
Doesn't that sound retarded?
You think someone will just wave a wand and give everyone a dream job at a livable wage?
>>28429570
Nuh uh!!! No way could anybody want a manufacturing job!!! Me and my upper-middle-class friends who don't are representative of the entire country!
I had no idea /r9k/ was so cucked. No wonder you guys are complete failures in life. Meanwhile I voted Trump and am actually going to college so I can get a good job and not be useless.
>>28429329
>keeping illegals out
This isn't inherently bad or inherently good. A large number of illegals enter the country legally anyways and overstay their visa.
>creating better wages for american workers because now companies have no other option but to hire people for fair wages
Wouldn't it be better just to crack down on companies that underpay their workers? That way the problem of legal Americans getting paid less than minimum will be solved too (and yes, this actually happens, I used to be one of these people).
>decreasing drug availability in the illegal drug market
Drug smugglers will always be several steps ahead of the law; it's not like most drugs are getting smuggled in by dudes just crossing the border where there's no fence anyways. And even if the drug availability is decreased, that will only lead to higher prices and more violence between drug lords competing for a very lucrative market. Drugs should be legalized and treated as a health issue, but that's another debate entirely.
>increased security along one of our weakest points
Security from what? There's more effective ways to solve all of these problems instead of building a comically high wall. The reason why "build wall" is much more convincing is because it's figuratively so concrete. It's more of a monument to our desire to keep illegals out than an actual plan to keep illegals out.
>>28429644
Do you think all those restaurants will actually start following the law?
Doesn't that sound retarded?
You think someone will just wave a wand and stop allowing these people to be corrupt criminals?
>>28429704
Yeah you do that. You go finance my NEETbux and future robowaifu you workfag.
>>28429747
I'll be enjoying my 90k annual while you're scraping by on 15k of pity bux annual, thanks.
>>28429704
>bragging about how you vote Trump and go to college
Most college educated people vote Democrat. There's even a bias this way in the STEM fields, so don't try to explain that your degree if somehow worth more than everyone else's.
>>28427007
literally 100% once he starts on hillary
first they said he wouldnt run
then they said he wouldnt sign the papers
then they said he wasnt a serious cantidate
then they said he wouldnt win any states
then they said he wouldnt ever get more than 30% of the votes
then they said he wouldnt get 1237
and now they say he wont beat hillary
just embrace it
>>28429767
I'm scraping by just fine thank you very much. Now if you'll excuse me, I just woke up and I think I'll go nap some more.
This populism and the fucktards caught up up in it are fucking stupid. This will be the worst presidential election in my life just because I had to experience the stupidity of trumpshitters and libtards. I can't wait for it to be over.
COUP 2016
>>28429767
>I'll be
Lol. What major did you pick? Are you a freshman or sophomore?
>>28429787
This. I'm not voting because I'm not stupid enough to believe my vote counts.
fuck this thread I'm going back to my hugbox
>>28429744
Like I said, I don't want illegals especially if they are criminal shits. Take construction workers, nail salons, restaurants, food pockets, etc. and you think Tyrones and Stacies are going to pick up where they left off?
>>28429883
>I'm not stupid enough to believe my vote counts
It's actually pretty scary hearing this. Could it be that the only people that vote are the ones dumb enough to think it matters? I mean, it makes sense.
>>28429961
No, I meant mathematically speaking, my single one vote doesn't not matter. So why should I shill for a candidate just to argue on the Internet?
Most illegals are innocent people.
>>28429930
How did Trump end up getting the pedophile vote anyway?
>>28430088
honestly dunno, memes and bantz I guess
>>28430088
I don't know. I like the way he speaks up to normies and doesn't give a fuck I guess. I don't really care how good of a president he makes since I'm still going to be shit, but I wish I were as bold as him.
Who will be the one who Trump?
A goatfucker terrorist? A drug cartel hitman? An out-of-control libtard? Or perhaps a thug nigga?
I bet a goatfucker does it.
>>28429733
>This isn't inherently bad or inherently good. A large number of illegals enter the country legally anyways and overstay their visa.
Exactly. While a wall would not help in that specific regard, my points outlined here >>28428556 would pretty much make them leave unless they like avoiding people and being homeless.
>Wouldn't it be better just to crack down on companies that underpay their workers?
Probably. But what you don't seem to get is we can do both that AND get illegals out of our workforce to increase wages.
>That way the problem of legal Americans getting paid less than minimum will be solved too (and yes, this actually happens, I used to be one of these people).
The Department of Labor exists for a reason.
They will assrape anyone who doesn't pay at least minimum wage for hours worked.
>Drug smugglers will always be several steps ahead of the law; it's not like most drugs are getting smuggled in by dudes just crossing the border where there's no fence anyways.
But that's exactly what's happening. A large portion of drugs in the USA come through the border by land.
>And even if the drug availability is decreased, that will only lead to higher prices and more violence between drug lords competing for a very lucrative market.
Higher prices due to scarcity leads to market shrinkage, you're thinking of high prices due to high demand. Once the prices of drugs goes up by a factor of 400x do you think any druggie is going to have the willpower or resources to come up with the cash to feed their addiction?
>Drugs should be legalized and treated as a health issue
Drugs should stay illegal but counseling, rehab and so on should be given instead of prison sentences.
>Security from what? There's more effective ways to solve all of these problems instead of building a comically high wall.
A wall is an effective solution. I've not seen a convincing argument otherwise.
>>28428154
>shoot anyone on top of it without question
so crazy shit it is then
>>28430461
>A wall is an effective solution
People tend to find ways around walls
oh we will build a wall.
AROUND OUR GLORIOUS STATE OF AZTLAN!
GRINGOS BEWARE
THE MOST POWERFUL STATE IN THE UNION IS 50% HISPANIC
0% memers be damned
>>28427007
not very likely now that gary johnson is a dent on the trump front. also hillary's voter volume is considerably higher than trump's, he would fail horribly in a head-on election.
>>28427958
WHY DO YOU HATE IMMIGRANTS?
>>28428590
the lack of context for this claim is outstanding, i think you may genuinely have some form of mental retardation or neurodevelopmental deficiency
>>28428590
>the great wall of china
and we all know what a tremendous success that was, oh wait...
See? >>28430881 is why we must build a wall and start gassing Mexicans before they get out of control.
>>28428556
>>28428627
It's more than 24k
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
>>28430915
>gary johnson
help me I can't stop laughing
>>28431121
i never said he was a realistic candidate, just that he'll steer some votes away from Trump because he's literally what the idiots that blindly support and believe everything Trump says wish Trump could actually be and represent.
>>28430871
My god you are fucking stupid.
First off, in order to get around a wall they either have to blast through it, climb over it, fly over it, or dig under it.
99% of that can be prevented with simple sensors and border patrol.
Hundreds of thousands of pacos vs ~100 pacos a year crossing the border is an immense difference.
>>28427007
>What are the odds of Donald Trump winning the general election?
About 97%.
Democrats think they have it in the bag, so they're not even going to bother to vote ("who would vote for Trump? ehhh...I'll stay home").
Trump's base are convinced they need to get out the vote if he's going to win.
Pretty much a slam dunk.
>>28429802
whatever, anyone but shillery
>tfw i said the same thing about obama
![desfile%20policia%20nayarit%204[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/per19ox.jpg "desfile%20policia%20nayarit%204[1].jpg")
>>28431024
ATTENTION, ANY GRINGOS WHO WON'T DEFECT TO AZTLAN GATHER YOUR BELONGINGS AND REPORT TO THE HOLDING CAMPS
donald trump: reminding the rest of the world how much of a fucking joke the USA is.
if you want to see what your average trump voter is like go check out the_donald subreddit. fucking memelords everywhere. literally no intelligent discussion, just shit posts. at least bernie sanders cucks try to discuss shit.
that's just my opinion as a canadian. terrified of all these ameriburgers who are threatening to move to canada if trump wins. we don't need any more white trash.
who /america is about to become totalitarian as fuck in 10 years regardless of who's president/ here?
>>28433379
I don't know about full-fledged totalitarian, but it's going to become extremely unstable with a lot of unrest.
>>28427007
He is polling higher than Hillary right now. His best poll numbers come from states like Ohio and Pennsylvania. He basically has those two states locked down after Hillary declared war on coal jobs. Florida is another state he heavily polls higher than Hillary in. He is basically going to take all the swing states with ease. The only way Trump is fucked is Hillary picks a latino as a running mate. If Trumps picks Susan Martinez as his running mate though he will flip New Mexico as well as lock down Nevada. Hillary is completely fucked if Trump picks Martinez like a ton of people think he is going to.
If Bernie drops out now then Hillary wins. The longer Bernie stays in the race the better are the chances for Hillary. That is why Mitt Romney lost. The other republicans ate him alive and fractured the party. Same thing was going to happen to Trump if others didn't drop out.
Fighting Bernie is bleeding Hilary dry and fracturing the Democratic base. Trump is fracturing the republican base but conservatives vote more to fight liberalism than for any candidates. Democrats vote more based on issues but they usually don't have as high a turnout as conservatives.
TLDR: Bernie drops out: Trump loses. Bernie stays in the race and Hilary can't unite the party: Trump wins.
>>28433208
Isn't an entire Canadian province burning becuase they cut the fire prevention budget by millions to help support refugees?
Fucking lel
>>28427007
This currently what the polls of Trump vs Hillary look like. Also apparently Trump is surprisingly turning NY into a swing state according to polls.
>>28433511
Polls can be unreliable by nature, they're not to be treated as solid facts, hence margin of error and other variables.
Also, Hillary and Trump haven't even debated once yet. Things happen so ridiculously fast in politics, nothing is decided yet or even close to being decided.
>>28428261
>uncle Juan
Kek'd
