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Who here, /Nationalist/? Nationalist general.
>>28410564
Depends on your definition of nationalism. Yes I think the white race deserves to be preserved, but not at the cost of liquidating other people, or otherwise the use of authoritarian techniques. Because it has been shown that nationalism is a means to an end for authoritarian governments to gain power. Remove that, and nationalism itself is not bad at all.
>>28410943
but without authoritarianism, liberals will have power like they do now and destroy whitey. Authoritarianism or genocide. Pick one
>>28411107
No I would not say so. I think that liberals could have their way with an authoritarian government just as well as conservatives can have their way with an authoritarian government. That being said, I think it is reasonable to not want either in power and instead to use reason to see which ideas are correct and which are incorrect. And nobody should have authority over other ideas which may turn out to be correct.
>>28411107
>liberals will have power like they do now and destroy whitey
This is what conservatives actually believe.
>>28410564
I'm very conservative if you ask me, I just argued with some leftist faggot that I didn't even know wasn't the person I wanted to talk to.
Pisses me off man. Why do people answer your questions when you didn't want them to answer it in the first place? It's like they want to shove down their shit ideas down your throat just for the pleasure of answering your question.
I wanted to get answers from Andrew Nellis, not anybody else. I hate leftists and their retardation so much, fucking normies...
And another thing, they really are normies, 60s counterculture has prevailed in corrupting our youth and now everyone thinks its okay to be hip, cool, and socialist, communistic, or anarcho-communistic.
I have no problems with pure anarchists themselves like Nellis but the leftist faggot who answered me was just really fucking stupid with what he was saying.
Leftists shouldn't even be on here, they're not minority anymore.
>>28411226
Get off this board, normie. You really don't belong with the outcasts here, go to your fucking group meeting with indoctrinated college faggots, I'm sure they'd want to hear your half-wit doggerel.
>>28411321
Right-wing ideology is normie as fuck, what are you talking about?
Do you think socially awkward anime watching jobless virgins would be accepted in a nationalist, authoritarian society? Are you fucking retarded?
>>28411273
>And another thing, they really are normies, 60s counterculture has prevailed in corrupting our youth and now everyone thinks its okay to be hip, cool, and socialist, communistic, or anarcho-communistic.
It really hasn't and that's a huge generalization. Even socialism is still pretty fringe in the US, despite a growing number of the younger generation having positive feelings towards socialism. It's also important to note that socialism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive.
Communism is politically and socially toxic in the US. So is any form of anarchism. They are hardly if ever discussed outside of fringe groups.
>>28411361
The edgy things i actually believe you could never sell to normies.
>>28411321
Fuck you, I've been on this site since the Bush administration. I'll call out anyone who's full of shit because I have every right to.
Go have an orgy circlejerk with /pol/ on Jewish indoctrination theories in Hitler cosplay, you tryhard piece of shit. YOU are the cancer here and you haven't even been here long enough to realize it.
>>28411361
>>28411409
It isn't normie anymore, most countries have had more leftist leaders then rightist ones.
>Do you think awkward anime watching jobless virgins would be accepted in a nationalist, authoritarian society?
Yes they would, in fact, the people on /pol/ are quite very much akin to this description.
>>28411524
>I have every right to call out anyone who's full of shit because I have every right to
Okay, I have no problem with that. I'm also against Bush as well, what makes you think I like the neocon or neolib puppets?
The sad thing is, you don't even realize how retarded you are because the Jewish indoctrination theories are in fact, not theories at all, but true. They've been trying to get back at the Christian Western world for thousands of years now.
If you would just research it instead of calling me a tryhard piece of shit or a cancer, you would see that /pol/ is actually right about a lot of things.
>>28410564
I'm a nationalist for my country and I want vengeance for the humiliations it has been subjected to and continues to be subjected to. My dream is to see those who undermined the greatness of my country dead face-down with bullets in the back of their heads as their living comrades beg me and my countrymen for forgiveness. To see every piece of media that depicted us as retarded bean-colored manlets like speedy gonzales wiped off history.
I guess you could say my nationalism is fueled by vengeance rather than actual love for my country. I don't regret a thing.
>>28411886
>you would see that /pol/ is actually right about a lot of things.
They're not, though. They're people in an echo chamber, jacking each other off, thinking they know some divine truth because they have little else in life in which to take personal pride.
Nearly all their beliefs about history, revisionist or otherwise are delusional by definition.
>>28412087
>nearly all their beliefs about history, revisionist, or otherwise are delusional
Like what, Anon. Tell me specifics, otherwise you're a liar.
>>28411886
>If you would just research
/pol/ doesn't even do research. Reading a bunch of stormfront infographs is not research.
>>28412003
Lol I remember you, you're that pathetic self-loathing beaner faggot that wanted to nuke the world.
How's the revolution going, pal?
>>28411361
we wouldn't exist in an authoritarian society
our condition is a symptom of this degenerate global capitalist age
>>28410564
>calls himself a nationalist
>posts a french statue
Even if you want to bring up the french involvement in the American revolution you can't deny it was an awkward marriage of convenience.
>>28412125
Your insults are like water on a raincoat. The Mexican wolf does not involve himself in petty fights with inferior dogs like you. Cur.
>>28412124
>stormfront
Those are the NS people that believe that shit, but even all the other political factions on /pol/, libertarians included, agree that Jews are behind most agendas.
A lot of people see Globalism as something that is inevitable. My question is, can each sovereign nation that exists today maintain a Nationalist ideology without eventually destroying or assimilating one another, especially once we're colonizing other worlds?
>>28412113
>Tell me specifics, otherwise you're a liar.
That's not how it works. And I have better things to do than to argue with Sandy Hook truthers, 9/11 conspiracy theorists, or Holocaust deniers. Some people get paid by the hour talking to those kind of people.
They're called fucking therapists.
>>28412170
Nah, you got pretty btfo if your comments were of any indication. You're just as pitiful now as you were then and you and your countrymen are no closer to reaching your goal.
>>28412201
No, please tell me. Tell me one thing they're wrong about. Come on, faggot, scared?
>>28412216
I just listed three.
>>28412191
>/pol/
>agreeing on things
>>28412191
>but even all the other political factions on /pol/, libertarians included, agree that Jews are behind most agendas.
>libertarians
Oh, there's a group of people who understand how the world works.
>>28412213
My struggle is my own. Not yours. You know nothing about what happens over here.
>it was literally days ago that I started manifesting
>"hurr hurr y u no have coup already. lmao typical spics xDDD"
I refuse to continue this petty fight with a lowly dog. Goodbye forever, Cur.
>>28412244
They seem to have quite a bit of solidarity when it comes to invading and shitposting on every other board on the site.
>>28410564
>>28410943
>>28411107
>>28411273
>>28412003
any ideology that trumps the individual in favor for the collective is not worth believing in and should be meant with absolute hostility.
That being said, nationalism is good only to a certain point. American nationalism is the ideal nationalism.
Everything else should be obliterated.
>>28412278
>Goodbye forever, Cur.
Holy shit, no. Please stay.
>>28410564
I'm nationalist in the sense that I'm proud of my country, but I don't have any desire to see us go out and conquer other countries.
>>28412251
>doesn't post an argument
kill yourself
>>28412227
>sandy hook
Don't know about that one.
>9/11
Yes, people blew it up from the inside. It came tumbling down as if it was a regular demolition site. The plane was just there to add spice to the farce.
>holocaust deniers
It wasn't 6 million, actually alot less than that. The Jews did lie about that. Now, they didn't really "Holocaust" them although they did shoot them. They only burned bodies when they died of starvation, they didn't burn them when they were alive, and if they did, it was probably only a few of them.
>>28412284
>American nationalism is the ideal nationalism
No. Every nation has its own form of ideal nationalism. In the case of my nation, though, nationalism is dominated by leftists strangely enough. The old nationalism of the early 1900s was ideal for my country. It's a lost tradition that needs to return.
>>28412361
>Every nation has its own form of ideal nationalism
Any nation that wasn't founded on the certain ideals America was founded on, is not to be trusted with nationalism.
>>28412385
That's your opinion. Keep your political doctrines within your own borders. i.e stay on your side of the fucking river.
>>28411886
>the jidf cannot post if you disable his hand
>still has another hand
>still has feet
>still has a big nose
>still has mind control
>>28412284
I'm the guy that posted the leftists vs. logic and the Nazi comic, I didn't say I was a national socialist.
Why do you assume I am? I just said I was highly conservative. And I do agree with American nationalism, I also agree that every other nationalism should be forgotten as it is indeed, very strict. Not good for humans.
See? I'm not exactly somebody you would say is a regular /pol/ user, but I am.
>>28412301
Same.
It's always amusing to me how you have "nationalists" for countries that suck enormous ass. I'm not talking about the bitch fits Europeans and Americans throw over each others countries. I'm talking about hardcore nationalists from places like Syria, Turkey, Fucking Somalia. How in the devil's dick could you be proud of those places? Especially when moving to a real country with actual laws, culture, and sanitation.But what do I know? I'm an American patriot who was born in Britain.
>>28412342
Fuck you. Rand is a bastardized version of Nietzsche, with the added leap of logic that unfettered capitalism is indisputably the best system there is and ever will be, despite large deregulation efforts being a failure at every major attempt.
Rand is jackoff material for CEOs who think they're holding the world on their shoulders while they make thousands of times more than their workers.
Rand's ideas work only in her overly bloated and self-righteous rape fairy tales.
I'm glad that woman is fucking dead.
>>28412490
It's called loving your nation in times of misery and prosperity alike. Of course, you wouldn't know that being a pseudo nationalist. You can also call it loyalty. Something you will never feel towards anything in your life.
>>28412547
>It's called loving your nation in times of misery and prosperity alike.
Ain't no prosperity for those countries.
>Something you will never feel towards anything in your life.
Oh please, Anon. America is clearly the best country in the world. Why wouldn't you want to be on the winning team?
>>28412587
>Ain't no prosperity for those countries.
Yet.
>Why wouldn't you want to be on the winning team?
Because I love my country like I love my mother. I would not stop loving my mother even if she is not the best mother in the world and I would not do the same to my country. Like I said, Loyalty. Is this really such an unthinkable concept to you?
>>28412685
Why do you seem to think you can't be loyal to a country other than the one you happen to be born in?
The United States is unique with superior laws and customs which is why I am happy to live here.
>>28412708
>Why do you seem to think you can't be loyal to a country other than the one you happen to be born in?
The natives of whatever country you immigrate to will never consider you one of their own. In their eyes and in your mind too, you will always be an American or whatever nationality you are. It's a deep connection that you can never break. Deal with it.
And, by the way, what you're doing right now is basically advocating for immigration. Do you really want that? Of course you don't.
>The United States is unique with superior laws and customs which is why I am happy to live here.
Good for you.
>>28412822
>In their eyes and in your mind too, you will always be an American or whatever nationality you are.
This is just another reason why the USA is better than anywhere else. The concept of being 'American' varies from one person to another. Everyone here talks about their 1/64th Cherokee or how they are Irish because their mother's brother's cousin once met someone who drank a Shamrock Shake. Remember that the original "Americans" were English.
>what you're doing right now is basically advocating for immigration. Do you really want that?
As long as its legal and the immigrant has a skill that the country is genuinely lacking.
>Good for you.
Good for all of us.
>>28412822
>The natives of whatever country you immigrate to will never consider you one of their own
Not him, but what's your basis for this? I'm a natural-born American citizen and I don't give a shit if you're an immigrant so long as you work and aspire to a higher standard of living. Both foreign and natural-born citizens, white or black or yellow or brown, that don't follow suit with this fundamental ideology should be ostracized.
>>28412954
because you don't have a connection to the history of the country
>>28412889
What works for you does not work for all of us.
My country not the United States and never will be. We cannot afford globalism economically or culturally and we cannot afford democracy like your country. Your style of nationalism can stay in your own borders. You do your thing and we do ours. Stay out.
>>28412985
How does one establish a connection with the history of a country? By picking up a textbook and reading it? By being alive during the inception of said country?
>>28413049
>How does one establish a connection with the history of a country?
By having ancestral roots stretching back many generations, ideally ancestors who have spilt blood in its defence
>>28410564
I am a nationalist
>not the white/black/yellow shit tier kind, the kind that believes every people have a right to their own country/have a right to self determination
>>28413079
And you're talking about the US, right? If that's the case, most of us don't belong here, regardless of being natural-born. The whole "We are a country of immigrants" thing isn't just a meme, it's firmly based in reality: I'm part German, part Lakota Sioux, part Danish, even part African. So with all this taken into account, even though I love my country, was born in this country and have a well-rounded knowledge of the history of this country, I don't belong here?
>>28413160
You do belong there, the remarkable thing about America is how citizens of so many diverse European nations with different languages and cultures managed to forge a single national identity. I never claimed new identities can't be created. It's something that takes time.
>>28413252
So why doesn't the British guy belong here? Is "time" the only distinction?
>>28413285
It is also rooted in creating and developing the nation. It's why ancestors of third world migrants settling in Europe now will not have the same claim to national identity in two hundred years that you have to American citizenship
>>28412988
>We cannot afford globalism economically or culturally and we cannot afford democracy like your country
What country is that?
>>28413304
>It is also rooted in creating and developing the nation.
If it helps you sleep at night, I actively contribute to the country through taxes and having white children who are Americans and will learn about American history and culture.
>>28410564
That's a pretty cringey image
>>28413304
I guess we're just not seeing eye-to-eye on a fundamental level. I don't hold claim to any of the accomplishments my ancestors made and I don't see why anybody else should, either. You can take pride in them, but basing your identity off of them seems like a cop out. What matters is where you are now and what YOU are doing to contribute to the society that epitomizes your values and claims you as a denizen.
I often wonder what the pakis and niggers here in the UK think when we learn about the history of the British isles, the Napoleonic Wars, the struggles to defeat Nazi Germany, the Roman invasion etc. Or even Remembrance Day. They have nothing vested in it, it didn't happen to their ancestors. I don't blame them for not caring about it, because if I moved to another country I wouldn't have an interest in its history or the suffering of its people either. But that's not right. They should have a connection to the past. That's why they don't belong here 2bh
>>28413390
>What matters is where you are now and what YOU are doing to contribute to the societ
except it's part of the reason there is such a disconnect between minority ethnic groups and the indigenous people of Europe (or even America). They have no shared history, traditions or identity.
There's a lot of literature in political science on social capital and ethnic diversity. Ethnic diversity erodes people's trust in eachother, in government, in the rule of law and public goods. It makes people less willing to give to charities. It's not a good thing
https://socialcapital.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/netherlands-study-also-finds-diversity-challenging-for-social-capital-in-short-term/
>>28413412
>I often wonder what the pakis and niggers here in the UK think when we learn about the history of the British isles, the Napoleonic Wars, the struggles to defeat Nazi Germany, the Roman invasion etc. Or even Remembrance Day.
I grew up in Britain in the 90s and there was very little to learn in schools on any of those subjects.
If you want to know what they learn now, well the entire curriculum has been modified to help those groups 'fit in' more with the UK. (They just pretend blacks and Indians were more important than they actually were).
>>28413504
This is why you need to do what America used to do before the immigration act of 1965: assimilate immigrants and close the doors until those people and their kids are assimilated.
>>28410564
>le nazi symbolism look at me!!!!
How does it feel to be sabotaging your own movement?
>>28412193
Any input on this? It's not really a dialogue I can bring anywhere outside of 4chan and I have a feeling /pol/ will just burn it all down.
>>28412193
>can a non-expansionist country have a national identity?
yes
>is globalization and mass migration undermining national identity?
yes
>>28412193
>>28413649
Certain cultures will never be at the level of scientific understanding and knowledge to colonize other worlds. Some Muslim cleric claimed that Muslims cannot go to Mars, not that we'd want them there to blow up the spaceship in the first place:
http://www.cnet.com/news/fatwa-forbids-muslims-from-traveling-to-mars/
>>28413697
I'm not sure those are the questions I asked.
>>28413315
The laughing stock of the world.
>>28413769
Shit, help me out a little more here.
>>28413707
>"There is a possibility that an individual who travels to planet Mars may not be able to remain alive there, and is more vulnerable to death," the committee said.
>Professor Farooq Hamada, who presided over the committee, explained, "Protecting life against all possible dangers and keeping it safe is an issue agreed upon by all religions and is clearly stipulated in verse 4/29 of the Holy Quran: Do not kill yourselves or one another
Unless it's for Allah, right? Why can't they just say, "I go to Mars for Allah"?
>>28413810
Killing yourself under Islam is different from killing yourself and taking non-Muslims with you.
>>28413504
And again, if they fail to work and aspire to a higher standard of living, for whatever reason, kick them out. This goes for natives and immigrants, of any political, religious, or ethnically background.
NEETs fucking love me.
>>28413707
I'd love to be on that trip. I wouldn't even think twice about it, my life goal is to set foot on another world. After that happens, I'll be happy to die.
>>28413902
gentle reminder we haven't returned to the moon in half a century because the aliens won't let us
>>28413926
Gentle reminder that that's fucking retarded and the reason we haven't returned to the Moon is due to political incompetence.
>>28413991
we haven't returned to the moon because there is nothing there, stupid huma- err, goy.
>>28413991
Kind of out of left field here, but which of the two candidates prioritizes NASA funding the most?
Not that either will propose nearly enough of a budget to fulfill the Authorization Act.
Nationalism is just modern form of tribalism. It's just prefering "your people" over "other people" and the justification can be either self-serving or on some kind of actual superiority claim, which is even funnier considering every nationalist then consideres his own nation the superior one and the reasons then become laughable ad-hocs.
Also, nationalism is by its nature colectivistic.
>>28413079
>being this delusional
Does it really matter where my "ancestors" are from?
