Video games, anime and all other forms of media still exist, but there are much higher standards on what can be produced, so it's not one long stream of shit anymore.

FUCK.

YEAH

>>28356107

I was going to say no until you banned jews, that sold me on it

Can I masturbate while watching two strangers fuck?

Just move to the Saudia Arabia is close to this. Except the jewish thing

Yes, how is this even a question?

>>28356173
Probably not. That's a grey area of voyeurism. It's illegal to produce pornography, but not technically to watch it - it's just considered highly inappropriate. If you did that sort of thing regularly, you'd be assessed for degenerate tendencies. If you were deemed fucked in the head enough, you could be exiled.

>>28356185
>Hurr I can't do drugs or rent hookers! Dat mean it's Isram!
You're retarded. Saudi Arabia isn't even close to this.

>>28356107
Yeah that's all totally fine with me. Conditions included. drugs, porn, infidelity, and democracy are all just distractions to stop us from dwelling too much on how shit all of our lives are. In this world with guaranteed great living conditions (although I understand and accept that its not a guaranteed good life, that is down to the individual) there would be no need for any of that stuff.

>>28356107
>government controls your life completely
>everyone has to have a job
>sex parties are illegal
I'll pass, thanks.

>>28356209
Because most people value hedonism over literal paradise, which just goes to show you WHY everything is fucked up and never gets fixed.

>>28356242
I'm actually very surprised by these answers. Usually this goes more like this: >>28356185

no I reserve the right to be unproductive, are you guys so incompetent that you have to have the government run your lives so you dont fuck up

Shit. Forgot to mention there's also a eugenics program for IQ, appearance, personality, etc.

>>28356107
Apart from the porn one I don't care about any of those tradeoffs. Of course I would make the deal.

>>28356286
But you just fucked up. If you think the way you run your life swimming in degeneracy compares even remotely to literal paradise, congratulations, you're exactly the problem.

>>28356292
unless you imply that we'd be born optimally in this society then this automatically disqualifies pretty much anyone here, since they'd be sterilized or forbidden to reproduce, thus the match making service would contradict this

>>28356227
In that case I would not accept your bullshit dictator rules.

>>28356268
That's only a few degenerates like this guy >>28356256
Most people would say yes

>No drugs
Not a problem
>No porn
Slight problem
>No stranger sex
So long as I'm getting some from someone decent, that's fine
>No cheating
No problem
>No voting
No problem so long as the place has resonable laws. If they have stuff I don't agree with, guess I have to leave
>Be a jew
No problem

Let's go to PARADISE!

> Be Mormon
> already do none of the things in the tradeoff

What you are describing is called "Utah before degenerate Americans made the place awful" OP. It literally was as close to paradise as we may come on this earth

>>28356107
Sounds great, Hillary 2016!

>>28356268
there would have to be memory erasure technology to undo the damage from the current society

>>28356107
Sure, I have no libido so the sex stuff doesn't bother me but some pr0n would be nice to deal with biology. Everything else seems nice... But nazi Germany is long gone :^)

>>28356107
not a single one of those restrictions is relevant to me in any way and there is still video games and anime, so hell yeah

>>28356324
You'd still be allowed a mate, you just wouldn't be permitted to reproduce.

>>28356325
Because you can't watch strangers fuck? Jesus, creep.

>>28356338
>Most people would say yes
Not in my experience. Most people, at least online, overwhelmingly don't just say no, but throw absolute shitfest tantrums that someone would even suggest such a thing.

Honestly, this thread is the most positive response I've ever gotten to this question.

>>28356371
No monotheistic bullshit and cult mentality.

>>28356373
Lel

>>28356401
That could be a problem. This society is definitely toxic enough to give people plenty of baggage.

>>28356107
How is the problem that all "utopian" arrangements (and current society too) have solved? By which I mean the existence of a completely separate social hierarchy, that exists parallel to the official hierarchy, and people use the laws/rules/etc. of the official hierarchy to enforce the unofficial one?

I'll give you an example from actual society - when you have a job, it doesn't really matter if you're good at it, it matters how good you are at office politics, and any rules and regulations related to the actual job are only used against people who are low in the social hierarchy, and to benefit the people who are high in it.

You can imagine how this goes to shit in any authoritarian society.

So how does your utopia handle this?

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>>28356442
>>first point
This would lead to dissatisfaction honestly, because having to raise a family is part of what makes a man responsible and happy with their life. Maybe limit the number of children to 1-2 but honestly unless they have a serious genetic disorder it might not be a good idea.

childless couples are never lasting and happy.

>>28356442
>> No monotheistic bullshit and cult mentality.

*tips the fedora hat*

>>28356464
> delusion speaks

>>28356442
It's the internet, do you really believe most decent people spend their time discussing degenerate behavior on forums online? Most of the people discussing this shit on 4chan, reddit, or whatever fucking website are teenagers who can't form well thought out opinions or retards who spend their time trying to rationalize their own disgusting behaviors. Do yourself a favor and stop caring what people say online.

>>28356478
I'm just saying, unless this is a perfect thought experiment , if you took people from today and put them in this paradise, and then told >50% of them they're too ugly, weak or of bad personality to reproduce and enjoy the benefits of said paradise it would just encourage them to fall back to degeneracy to cope.

I'm all for positive eugenics, and euthanasia for the seriously disabled though

>>28356446
Da gubmint makes sure there's no unofficial hierarchy, of course. What a silly question!

>>28356464
Thank goodness he was a fucking idiot who couldn't organize a war effort properly.

Who gives a shit.

None of this matters.

I would recommend watching this btw, it's very good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8

>>28356446
This society is meritocratic. Nepotism and politics are illegal. And any government corruption is immediately met with the death penalty. Removing government corruption and maintaining a pure government is priority 1-100 in this society. And not just laws, but the very architecture of the society mandates a lack of corruption so short-sighted self-interest would only do you more harm than you would benefit by it.

>>28356478
No. The eugenics policy is non-negotiable. The human genome has been flushed down the toilet for 20,000 years. This is extremely high on the list of priorities. Even higher than citizen happiness. And at least as high as citizen functionality and productivity. Without eugenics, there is only dystopia (like now).

>childless couples are never lasting and happy.
Could've fooled a lot of people today.

>>28356511
You'd never be allowed in.

>>28356532
In my experience, age is rarely relevant to how stupid a person's opinion is. Stupid people don't "smarten up" just because they mature.

>retards who spend their time trying to rationalize their own disgusting behaviors.
But that's everyone. This isn't just an internet phenomenon. Why do you think things like blood sports, crime, cheating, sexual promiscuity and drug problems are so insanely prevalent? Why do you think the vast majority of people under 30 support legalization? The fact is, the internet is more representative of society as a whole than people give it credit for.

>>28356565
It would, but they'd be informed of this long before entry. Prospective citizens would be intensively screened and informed long before they attained citizenship. It'd be like any other immigration policy of any other country. If they fall back into degeneracy, it'd be in the outer world, not this one.

>>28356573
Libertarians and anarchists wouldn't be considered for citizenship.

>>28356478
You know, on second thought, maybe a 1 child policy for inferior couples could work. I really don't want kids born with shit genes who curse the rest of their existence for it. It's extremely selfish to have children because YOU want them, disregarding how the child will have to live. But humans are basically batshit insane and being childless does make a lot of people even more retarded than they already are. Kind of a deal with the Devil.

>>28356107
fuck yes I would
>>28356185
lmao

>never drank or done any drugs
>only fap a couple times a week
>never will have sex anyways
>never would cheat anyways
>dont care about voting
>dont care about religion
this is a no-brainer

>>28356107
Sign me the fuck on m8, there are only benefits in your utopia for me.

>>28356652
>>childless couples are never lasting and happy.

this only BECAUSE they partake in hedonism and degeneracy of today as a surrogate for raising children. When they grow old they divorce or kill themselves.

>>28356652
so in other words, 99% of people on /r9k/ wouldn't be able to be admitted even if they wanted to, just due to genetics. So there's no point in proposing this society to them.

>>28356741
are you ugly and/or have any mental disorders? then you wouldn't be allowed in anyways

Why is hedonism bad again?

>>28356788
>so in other words, 99% of people on /r9k/ wouldn't be able to be admitted even if they wanted to, just due to genetics. So there's no point in proposing this society to them.
I already addressed this. You could be admitted and not breed. They're not mutually exclusive.

>>28356817
You wouldn't be rejected for citizenship based on your looks, only breeding.

>>28356842
Because it literally destroys everything? The fact that you don't know the answer to this question is proof you never will. And I don't mean the original definition of hedonism, I mean the modern definition - libertinism.

The listed tradeoffs are additional benefits more than anything.

>>28356107
>- Use any recreational drug (including alcohol and pot)
I don't need them, I don't even drink that much, I wouldn't mind it.

>- View porn again (because it no longer exists and is illegal and the law is strongly enforced)
Why watch porn if I can breed with my perfect waifu?
I just fap to empty my balls, so I won't need it later.

>- Have sex with any stranger (sex is allowed only between people who know each other intimately)
Perfect, I hate casual sex, it's disgusting.

>- Cheat in any relationship (Infidelity is met with the death penalty)
Good, only stupid pigs cheats.

>- Vote for anything (Democracy is illegal - it's an Empire or Benevolent Dictatorship)
I'm totalitarian so I don't mind.
And no need to vote if life is good.

> Belong to a jewish religion
I'm deist, I don't mind.

Only fools would refuse.

I would go there, i would go there faster than any of you motherfuckers.

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>>28356107
I don't see a single tradeoff to this paradise.
I'm not losing anything whatsoever, yet gaining a dream.

>>28356107
MAYBE.. i would miss drugs so much though
fuck it, i would anyway

>>28357031
true, unlike most of these scenarios, vidya isnt banned

Wow. So many "Yes"s. That's surprising. Now:

- There's also no hunting allowed. Period.
- Vegetarianism is enforced (you can eat dairy and unfertilized eggs though)
- No personal weapon ownership

Now?

>>28356107
>national matchmaking service
THAT MEANS ALL OF YOU FAT BETA NECKBEARDS WOULD GET MATCHED WITH A FELLOW 2/10 LANDWHALE UGLY BITCH. pretty much everyone here would complain "but i wanted stacy!! :'(" LOL

>>28357075
nope, you ruined it, sorry

factory farming and processed foods should be banned, but small farms encouraged. I'm not a vegecuck and nothing would convince me otherwise.

>>28356107
The only ones who would detest to this is the stacy's and chad's, general normalfags.

>>28357075
Even Hitler though a strict vegetarian himself didn't force vegetarianism on Germany. And the "nazis took away guns" is a Jew lie anyways, they permitted gun ownership to the volk (only confiscated it from criminals and subversives)

>>28357175
>everyone who doesnt agree with me is chad

>>28357075
>Vegetarianism is enforced
fuckkkk, NOW we have a dilemma.

>>28357137
Oh I figured that would be the case.

>>28357145
U fookin wat m8? There would be no agribusiness because there's no corruption. Actually, people would be encouraged to raise a portion of their own food.

>>28357222
I'm saying there's absolutely nothing wrong with farming animals and raising meat, the only issues with today are agribusiness and corruption as you say which would be gone.

People ate meat for most of known history, and if anything it's a grains-only diet which rots the brain

>>28357252
The issue is with harming the animals themselves. Of course you don't care. They do. The reason for a vegetarian diet is not for you. It's for all other life on the planet.

>>28356107
>healthy and happy
>but also productive
Nah.

>>28356107
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>>28357075
What exactly is wrong with eating meat? You do realize that meat is a very good source for many nutrients, and alternatives aren't as good. Do you feel bad for the animals or something?

>>28357137
I'd assume gov't mandated cosmetic surgery, diet and exercise would be included under "healthy and happy"

So everyone would be reasonably attractive

>>28357405
You're not the only living thing in the universe. Nor does it revolve around you as its center.

>>28356107
None of the tradeoffs are downsides to me. I don't do drugs, I don't look at porn, I'm monogamous and don't cheat, I've never voted anyway and I'm not monotheistic.

Is caffeine included in the ban on drugs? Would tea and coffee and chocolate be banned?

>>28357175
why would stacy and chad object? seems like their dream, except maybe not being christian anymore would turn away 1/2 of them

>>28357075
How does this account for people whose dream job is gunsmithing?

>>28357417
Noone would be fat. Regular medical care would also be mandated.

>>28357435
>Is caffeine included in the ban on drugs?
I've debated that. Coffee absolutely would be. Tea and things like chocolate would be fine. People drink coffee specifically for the caffeine buzz.

>>28357459
Weapons would still exist. They would only be in the possession of law enforcement and warriors.

>>28357459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTFZ4zhgW0U

Don't listen to OP's comment on gun control, watch this instead. He's wrong.

>>28357484
There are some varietals of tea with higher caffeine content than coffee, you know.

With laws that restrictive the place is far far from a 'paradise', so no.

>>28357493
I can't watch videos right now; gist of it? I don't agree with much about gun control anyway. I own several dozen guns myself. But this is about a hypothetical almost-perfect society.

>Video games, anime and all other forms of media still exist

Now what if these were banned which I dont know why they wouldnt be in this society since its just a time wasting fantasy when you could be doing something productive for the state

>>28357519
Is this why libertarians are fat, ugly hicks?

lmaooo!

>>28357531
the gist is: National Socialist Germany didn't ban citizens from owning guns, and this is a favorite kike lie that American zionist republicans like to spout

>>28357507
Then they'd be banned. It's not hard to figure out. It's simple: are you drinking this substance for the drug in it or to hydrate?

>>28357519
That's part of the point. The restriction of chaos and evil weeds out those who would inevitably lead to the collapse of the society.

>>28357535
Yes.

>>28357553
This isn't Nazi Germany.

I don't understand this thread, why would anyone pick no?

Absolutely. 150%. If anyone actually had a plan to take over the world and do this, even if it had a small chance of working, I'd give my life for it.

>>28357571
You wouldn't drink tea to hydrate, since the caffeine content is dehydrating.

Anyway, it'd be hard to ban one type of tea process. You can always grow your own tea and just... not process it the legal way. Grind it up yourself. Matcha has the highest caffeine content because you're using the entire leaves, ground up. You'd have to ban the leaves of the tea plant from being steeped full stop.

>>28357604
wait till you read the rest of the proposals though

>>28357075

>>28357604
because freedom is slavery

also most people do not understand the tragedy of the commons

>>28357604
Because they can't party and bring that into paradise. You have to choose between the things that destroy society and nature or the things that produce a well-run society in harmony with nature. Trying to have both leads to failure. People generally pick the corrosive path, rather than the right one.

>>28357616
That's stupid. People drink tea to hydrate all the time.

>>28357635
This. That's not to say that there would be no freedom. In fact, in some regards, such as religion, religious freedom would be far greater than it is now because the jewish religions wouldn't control the culture and protest or pass legislation, etc. when other people from non-jewish traditions tried to worship as they see fit. It would be illegal to attempt to abuse your children by commanding them to belong to a certain faith and parents could get into real shit for it. Every individual would be free to follow their own path, so long as it isn't actively promoting chaos. The thing is, people only want the freedom to do bad things most of the time. Like fetishizing weapons - literally instruments for killing members of their own species. Or thinking killing for pleasure is acceptable, when it's obviously indicative of psychopathy.

>>28356107
>- Use any recreational drug (including alcohol and pot)
but I never did
>- View porn again
But I don't view porn
>- Have sex with any stranger
but I never did (37KV)
>- Cheat in any relationship
read above
>- Vote for anything
never did
>- Belong to a jewish religion
I don't


what was the tradeoff again?

>>28357137
>>THAT MEANS ALL OF YOU FAT BETA NECKBEARDS WOULD GET MATCHED WITH A FELLOW 2/10 LANDWHALE UGLY BITCH.
That's all i want in life really? She wouldn't be very pleased though.

>>28357721
You didn't address the other points about tea, though.

And if someone is using tea instead of water to hydrate, they'd probably be some of those forbidden to breed through the eugenics program anyway. It'd quickly die out as a practice.

>>28357721
>>fetishizing weapons
how do you justify not banning all video games then? I'm surprised by your point of view you don't consider any game with any form of killing (even non graphical/realistic ones like RPGs) to be evil

>>28357721
Going further, a "perfectly free" society would have no taxation or gov't

as a Hobbesian, I know this would result in a madmax style anarchy where anything goes. rape murder theft slavery poverty war etc.

>>28357775
said "perfectly free society" is the kingdom of heaven. And it's real. You're right , on earth "freedom" is slavery because it's freedom to sin, not freedom from sin.

but OP is rejecting the only way out of this shit world and pretending it doesn't exist.

>>28357804
Heaven is a spook my friend. there is not a single shred of evidence for it existing

>>28357727
Hypergamy wouldn't exist though because men's sexual behavior would be controlled by law for everyone's benefit.

>>28357741
You seem like you just want to bitch without having an argument. Tea doesn't fucking dehydrate you. Get over it.

>>28357757
Believe it or not, sweet young toddler, there was once a time when video games were something other than first person shooter grindhouse filth. I know, hard to believe, but it's true. And games would be held to the same standards as society. We would never have shit like GTA or Manhunt that glorified crime, for example. But there are plenty of games that even revolve around war like StarCraft which would be fine.

>>28357775
Exactly, that's why you have to balance freedom with control. You can't just have freedom or you end up with modern day America and all the filthy degeneracy that comes with it and you can't have just control or you end up with a communist regime or an African-style military dictatorship with military rape-gangs.

>>28357824
That's because we haven't eliminated demons in human form such as yourself. It is the flaws in men which they continuously refuse to control that make it so utopia is impossible. It's not even remotely impossible on principle. There are just too many shitty people fucking everything up.

>>28357844
>>games held to the same standard of society.

I agree FPS are bad, but really games as a medium have been about taking pleasure in killing since their inception. Even things like space invaders and pokemon. If you really think about it the old games might even be more insidious since it trains kids to think of death as something trivial, believe things have hp and extra lives etc.

>>28357844
Caffeine is dehydrating. If somewhere were drinking actual tea and not steeped Lipton bags, yes, it's less effective than water in hydrating you. Since this seems to be a utilitarian society, why would you have things like soda and tea allowed to replace water, when water is the best for hydrating?

I'm not bitching, I'm participating in your thread by asking you about your imagined society.

I like how this devolved from "everyone is happy" to "we kill everyone who isn't" in a few posts.

>>28357906
that's just how the utopian argument goes famalamadingdong

you have to remove undesirables somehow

>>28357906
>"we kill everyone who isn't"
Where did this happen?

>>28357926
The reason we live in squalor is because we let sociopaths not only breed but control society. You really do have to get rid of the human pieces of shit if you want the species fixed. But this thread wasn't about that. This thread was about a contained society that started with a voluntarily-selected citizenry free from those issues.

>>28357906
Thats why everytime someones tries this sort of thing it ends in a bloodbath, you cant trust someone with the amount of power it would take to make this possible to not go overboard and declare himself supreme leader and kill everyone whos against him

>>28356107

I don't do any of that shit anyway. Sign me up.

>>28357969
>Thats why everytime someones tries this sort of thing it ends in a bloodbath
No, the reason this sort of thing always ends in a bloodbath is that it's always jews who start a "utopian" project and they never actually give two shits about doing what they say they're after - they're just trying to form a society where kikes are on top giving the orders.

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>Democracy is illegal

what's up with you robots and your hate for equality and participation? Do you really think that a totalitarian state is a better option?
>hurr there will be a king who's generous and good and he'll build a paradise
Show me one single example of a dictator who was actually praised by his people.
prove me wrong

>>28358045
But kikes/globalists are already on top giving the orders

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't

>>28357969
Enlightened absolutism actually went pretty well for a short time in history when the general goal of the aristocracy was to make the masses lead better lives and they were competing with each other in who'll do it better.

>>28358076
but the competition is gone now thanks to technology and weapons advances

>>28358050
>Show me one single example of a dictator who was actually praised by his people.
Do you even know how many people long for the times of Hitler, Tito, Ceausescu, Stalin, etc?

>>28358094
Yes, unfortunately most of the post-industrialization bullshit led to the complete dehumanization of everything, since it's all now on a scale that no one can really comprehend with an ordinary human mind.

>>28358050
>equality
Humans aren't equal. Do you think a violent downie and a brilliant inventor and physicist should have the same degree of influence on society?

>>28358063
And how did that happen? Oh wait, that's right, because the "allies" decided to align themselves with the communists instead of the Axis and it caused an explosion in jewish power.

Literally a group that only cared about greed and the acquisition of wealth (the West) and a group that only cared about a direct jewish dictatorship hellbent on taking over the world (the communists) joined forces with the only decent hope mankind has ever had in recent decades. We now live in a world that's a sickening mixture of capitalist and communist degeneracy, that doesn't care about nature, that doesn't care about the health of its own citizens, that idolizes degenerate behavior and has made nearly all art hideous just because it can and has given us the scourge of modern marxist liberalism.

>You're damned if you do and damned if you don't
Only if you let jews live.

>>28358050
Napoleon.
I'd say Hitler also, but it didn't really last long.

>>28358138
It's not the scale that's the problem, it's that it all exists to serve a tiny fragment of the most corrupt, evil humans in history and they've turned the rest of humanity into their slave labor pool. It's not dehumanizing because it's big - it's dehumanizing because it's evil.

>>28358159
>>tfw I'm a self hating half Jew

>>28357432
lol 2bad they can't do anything about me wanting to eat them.

I'll stay with meat, thanks.

>>28358191
Oh it always did, and it always was evil, sure, but when it's on a small scale, you know, you can just go through normal historical cycles where people rise and murder the shit out of the guys in power and rinse and repeat. That's not happening ever again.

>>28356107

>Cheat in any relationship (Infidelity is met with the death penalty)

good luck executing this law.
What if you get bored with your wife 15+ years after marriage? Accept it or die?

>>28358099
yeah, mostly people who's parent weren't even born back then.

>>28358330
1: Marriage is only for breeding couples and the raising of children. You're neither allowed to divorce, nor cheat so long as children are in the home.
2: If you don't have children, just leave your partner if you don't want to be with them anymore. Don't be a faggot and cheat.

>>28358355
>back then
And this is how everyone knows you're underage.

>high technology

How high? Can I do research to advance it?

>Every individual is matched with their perfect dream job also and provided with any and all training and education required to do it competently

So I can be a research scientist?

>Use any recreational drug (including alcohol and pot)

What about psychedelics for spiritual purposes? I ask because;

>All other religion is acceptable

Moving on;

>Have sex with any stranger (sex is allowed only between people who know each other intimately)

I don't see the moral logic for allowing premarital sex, but demanding;

>Cheat in any relationship (Infidelity is met with the death penalty)

Especially for women, sex before marriage is cheating.

Sounds good in general, though.

>>28359081
>How high?
Higher than it is now. Space travel to some degree.

>Can I do research to advance it?
Absolutely and it would be encouraged. It would be under the auspices of the proper authorities with proper resources and labs, of course, not just in your basement though.

>So I can be a research scientist?
Yes.

>What about psychedelics for spiritual purposes?
I've considered this before, but I generally have found that this is little better than just recreational purposes. If there was a drug like the spice melange or another that actually enhanced cognitive abilities, even then the use of it would be with extreme caution.

>Especially for women, sex before marriage is cheating.
Explain this. What, do you think all women belong to you if they're not attached?

>>28356107
If I said no, the paradise would still exist for others who want it, right?

I like the idea of nice things but I also like the idea of being free of responsibility. Latter outweighs the former.

>>28356107

yeah sign me up, im kind of burnt out on this bullshit world