When did you grow out of Atheism and began accepting God into your heart again, fellow robots?
believing in god is cool
but being a Christian is next to being a cuckold
>>28270493
Low tier bait anon
When you grew out of being a faggot
>>28270493
20.
I used to be a depressed neet who did drugs then I found Jesus again and started atending church. Much happier now.
>>28270493
20. I went back to my Southern Baptist roots, actually read the bible, and I've come to the conclusion that God does exist but He's either malevolent or He operates by moral rules that we don't understand. Looking forward to suicide so I can ask Him about it myself.
>>28270493
Converting to Eastern Orthodoxy.
If I am lucky, it may also greatly improve my life to have done so, but it is in my hands to harvest the opportunities given unto me by the Lord.
Christ is Risen!
Eh.
Unless you're raised by a bible thumping family that discourages critical thought...how are you supposed to take it seriously? How do you really believe in something so far fetched after having looked as it as a skeptic/secular?
I'm not trying to sound like a cunt.
I'm REALLY asking.
I...I want to know.
>>28270750
All knowledge requires critical and overarching assumptions.
>>28270750
The same way people believe that "just be yourself" is valid advice, that attractive people are better people, and that poor or lonely people deserve what they have: self-delusion.
>>28270493
Get fucked Christ-Chan.
i used to unironically believe, but a few years ago i decided to actually read the bible fully.
the old testament literally is THE reason i stopped believing.
>>28270819
And then take pictures of it, Christ-Chan.
>>28270623
>>28270623
>>28270623
>suicide
>meeting god
nah m8 even if this abrahamic bullshit is real, you're destined for hell to be raped eternally by lemmy from motorhead
>>28270493
>Being a cuck to a middle eastern religion
>Worshiping a dead Jew
No thanks. I'll just worship Thor instead. Asatru is a European religion and it's just overall cooler.
>>28270836
I'm only saying your name to keep posts original, Christ-chan.But maybe someone finds it hot
>>28270825
What specifically about it made you stop believing?
>>28270890
Also, Christ-chan, God doesn't exist. I know because I asked Him.
>>28270895
I'm not him, but I was raised in a fundamentalist Christian home. Basically /pol/'s dream house. Homeschooled on a far-right curriculum, went to church camp for 2 weeks every summer.
It was horrific. That's how I know God doesn't exist, Christ-Chan.
>>28270875
Nah, that's just Catholic dogma. The Bible doesn't say that you go to hell for suicide.
>>28270932
I mean, that's how I know if we put aside all the many logical holes in Christian dogma, Christ-chan.
>>28270932
What was horrific about it?
What sect were you a part of?
Was an atheist all my life until I got shot in the face from 3 feet away and lived with no lasting injury. Doctors say I should be dead as can be. Hollow point right under the eye bounced off my cheek bone and shattered. Fragments destroyed my sinus and nicked my carotid artery. Also have a large fragment that is against my spine. I have to think something was protecting me. My surgeon said I was a miracle case. I'm not religious at all but this event made me believe in a higher power.
>>28270895
mostly stuff that didn't make much sense compared to the new testament
the old testament, christian or not, is still based mostly around Jewish traditions and rituals.
The way God is presented in both almost makes it seem like they're describing two different deities.
Also, the biblical story about the merciful God sending two female bears to rip 42 children apart for laughing at prophet's bald head.
>>28270963
First Lutheran, then Methodist, Christ-Chan.
What was horrific about it was the regressive studies, the appeals to emotion/authority/dismissive condescending/outright hostility anytime I questioned the religion
Also bible camp was a pretty way to package "counselors rape the campers" camp.
About a year ago, I'm not christian but I now believe in a god, or at least hope there is.
>>28271006
I don't really care if others are religious, Christ-Chan.
But having been at the extreme end of fundementalism and lived in the world that they want to create, I want nothing to do with it.
But if it makes you happy, I'm all for it.
This is my last picture of Christ-Chan, so will also be my last post since I don't feel like getting into an argument (which is also why I put that disclaimer in >>28271040)
>>28270788
Yeah but how far your axioms reach into your philosophy tends to be a good indicator of how well it reflects your reality. More reach is less truth.
>>28271056
Correction: THIS is my last picture.
Also inb4
>I'm against this!
>but if it makes you happy I'm all for it!
>laughingelfman.jpg
I really do want people to be happy, and support those who find happiness. So change that to "if it makes you happy and doesn't infringe on my happiness, rights, or life I'm all for it." I belatedly realized the inherent contradiction in my post.
>>28270750
>Protestantism is Christianity
Nice meme.
>>28270932
>God doesn't exist because my parents made me go to Jesus camp
>>>/reddit/
>>28270940
>if I call the idea I dislike le dogma that means I'm automatically validated xDDD
>>28270878
>le cuck xDDD
You're obviously a faggot LARPer who's never been to Europe and knows nothing about European tradition if you think Asatru has anything to do your ancestors.
The true Germanic religion is the Roman Catholic tradition of Charlemagne's Holy Roman Empire.
There is only one God who became incarnate and every culture is responsible to follow in suit and develop Christianity in a way befitting their heritage.
>>28271006
Appeal to authority makes sense if there is a God.
Think about it, if there is a being that knows literally everything, wouldn't it make sense to agree with it? Why would you ever disagree with it?
I would suggest looking into Eastern Orthodoxy desu. I was raised Lutheran and then Methodist too, actually, and was an atheist from 14 to age 19. The nice thing about Eastern Orthodoxy is that it is so old that virtually any question you might have has already had multiple books written in argument about it by theologians.
>>28271002
That is because the Jews had made a covenant with God, and had to prove their trust in Him via those rituals.
The two testaments don't describe a different God, but they do describe different aspects (persons) of the same God.
Don't actually know that story, senpai. I'll look into it.
>>28270493
When are you going to grow out of following every 4chan meme-trend. There was a time when everyone WANTED a neckbeard and grew them and it was deem epic and awesome and a year later it was a derogatory thing to call someone a neckbeard.
4chan's contrarian ass will troll itself into anything. I'm pretty for sure in a few years it's going to be Scientology.
>"THIS IS A SCIENTOLOGIST SITE AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN!"
>"Guys i just converted to scientology it feels so good to leave christianity"
>">2020
>>Not being a scientologist"
>"Who else hates normies and their disgusting thetans!111!"
>>28271117
I'm not even that guy but did you even read the rest of his posts? It sounds like he had a legitimately shitty childhood that was heavily inundated with religion.
>>28271072
This is also an assumption.
>>28271162
It's still far more basic than 'God is good' and 'God exists'.
>>28271131
>I would suggest looking into Eastern Orthodoxy desu.
You assume that I'm interested in following a religion; I'm not.
>>28271155
And? I can't help it if he's using SJW "feels = reals" logic. The fact that Protestantism is cancer doesn't invalidate Christianity or have anything to do with the existence of God.
>>28271117
>HOLY
>ROMAN
>EMPIRE
voltaire.jpg
>>28271197
"feels = reals" logic is the cornerstone of any religion.
>>28271220
>I'm an illiterate retard who thinks Dawkins is a philosopher
>the post
>>28271188
How basic it is is only relevant if you already assumed your position that how complicated an idea is makes it less likely (i.e. you are using your assumption to prove your assumption).
>>28271192
I would still ask that you look into it, even if only briefly.
>>28271117
Implying Jesus is as cool as Thor or Odin.
>>28270994
Pure solipsism. 99% of the time someone gets shot in the face they never get up. You got lucky. Next time you get shot if there is a next time, let's see if the magic man protects you.
>>28270493
I didn't. And I probably won't, or not for long anyway ; the very day I start believing, I'll kill myself.
>>28270493
>falling for the "growing out of things" meme
>>28271282
No I think you're misunderstanding. It's not about complexity.
Let's say we start with Descartes 'I think therefor I am'. It's also an assumption. Moving outwards from that we can assume stuff like our senses reflect reality to some extent.
If you want to model reality well you need as few assumptions as possible that are universally true because any assumption is artificial in nature instead of concluded from observations.
So since we have our assumptions about perception we can conclude the idea that assumptions based on no information doesn't model our world as well as observations would. We can obviously make assumptions about anything and get lucky. But the deeper they go the less likely they are to be right.
I'm sure you don't disagree that our perception is reflecting reality to some extent. It's just based on that. It's still an assumption sure, but as Descartes asserted. He also made an assumption. It's just the base assumption you need.
>>28270493
I will need to see some proof that god exists.
>>28270575
>>28270493
>>28271117
Enjoy your placebo effect.
>>28270994
Doctors have already given you an explanation. The hollow point saved you.
>>28271487
If you want to model reality, you have to first assume that there is a reality and that your observations are consistent with that reality.
I don't disagree, I just think it is still an assumption. Personally, I think the assumption of a God most easily justifies reality.
God is a semantic construct of ignorance. The belief in God held dear by religious folks stems from a fear of not being accepted by peers, religious family members and a largely religious population. Frankly they don't want to be singled out and ostracized.
The ability to truly rationalize your existence independent of intelligent design really doesn't take very much logic. Big bang until to today and nobody is at the wheel.
My soul will remain rational dark and empty. Ride the teacup!
>>28271231
>I can't really stop believing in God or Hell, just not in the way the Church teaches.
Same, except to me hell is right now. Heaven isn't a sure thing but I want to believe.
>>28271623
>The belief in God held dear by religious folks stems from a fear of not being accepted by peers, religious family members and a largely religious population. Frankly they don't want to be singled out and ostracized.
If that is true then why are the most devoted followers of religion almost always voluntary ascetics?
>>28270493
I went full on fedora type atheist at 17, raging because I was 'expected' to be religious.
And I shit you not, it wasn't until I was 18 that I saw the movie Fight Club, and it made me understand humility. After that I re-approached religion, and I'm somewhat of an agnostic theist now.
>>28270493
When I awoke to see my city, my glorious nation on the brink of destruction. When I looked outside to see whores welcoming destruction from the middle east. When I was reminded that those who are in power above me have no love for the German people.
I fell back into faith when I realized that the only way to save my people is to root out, cut down, burn those who seek to subvert the church and its people, to lynch those who are lauded as heroes in the streets.
Oh wait im not on /pol/
Ill be christian when god gives me a qt gf
I've never believed in any kind of higher power or followed any kind of religion. My parents never tried to teach me anything about religion or instill any beliefs in me or anything and I've never felt compelled to try to find religion on my own.
>>28271566
I think assuming reality based on God is a bit backwards. Surely reality is what allows God to exist. We're not talking 'the universe' here. We're talking reality.
Is it not wiser just not to assume in a way that impacts your decisions until you have reasons to believe though? I don't blame any religious person for their beliefs if they're founded in experience. What I dislike is when people believe because of what other people are telling them. When we're fully aware of how much lying goes on.
My mom has had religious experiences which I can certainly agree are very strange by her account. But they don't connect to a religion like Christianity or anything really. Most religions have the concepts needed to support that. But even so assuming that a man known religion has to be the explanation is not what I'd consider a sensible assumption.
>robots thinking religion will help them
You're supposed to love God more than your qt in all religions pretty much.
>>28271937
>surely reality is what allows God to exist
Without God, there truly would be nothing, so how could there be a reality in His absence?
I would stay and continue this, but I have to write a paper now if I want to be able to finish this semester off tomorrow.
>>28271975
Religion is helping me, and hopefully I may have a chance at a decent future with a qt at my Church. However, all of these things would have been impossible if I did not trust God to do what is well for my soul.
Redpill me on Christian clubs?
> I'm too cynical and deeply hate myself
> just feel like I'm kill everyone's good time with God
> so lost and lonely
>>28272007
I was obviously not talking about what Christianity describes but rather what constitutes reality and how God would have to be part of it.
>i have to run away
Y-yeah go on, run away l-like the coward you are.just kidding, good luck with your studies.
>>28270750
>critical thought
Nice meme
>thing is good cuz i like it
This is not critical thought.
You're suffering from cognitive dissonance.
>How do you really believe in something so far fetched after having looked as it as a skeptic/secular?
You aren't a skeptic, though. You're an ideologue.
>>28271002
BRAH IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE DUUUDE SO ITS DUMB AND BAD!!!
>>28271220
>there are real things
>there is a reality
>logic is good
>logic is real
Nice assumptions, ideologue.
*tips fedora*
I'm not an atheist at all, because i know that the concept of god could manifest itself, and i believe that it's possible that a god exists at this moment. but what i don't do is worship him, whoever he is. I have nothing to thank him for, and no amount of bullshit excuses and denial is going to change the fact that my life sucks right now, and that it was not kind in anyway to put me in this world. If god is real, than he is not a good god. if i had the resources, i would try to destroy god.
>>28272037
Whatever works anon. Good luck.
When did you guys grow out of believing in god? I went through a short phase when I was browsing /pol/ a few years ago when I was 19, thankfully I moved on that.
>>28272166
oh fuck not you again
it dosent make sense. why dosent god make a world where we all have a choice but all end up believing in him?
is logic, an invention of gods, more powerful then god? the best explanation i get for this is "he works in mysterious ways", which is bullshit. i can see/think of a better way in about 5 seconds, and he hasnt figured it out in what, how many hundreds or thousands or whatever years? "he too can see a better way, but he chose this one despite being able to mold it into any form he wants. then he punishes people for acting the way he designed them to.". its actually just, he hates us, if anything. not very mysterious, really.
>>28272237
>this triggers the ideologue
>>28272285
>it makes no sense brah like wtf duuuude it makes no sense I AM SMARTER THAN A PERFECT BEING HAHA IM SO EPIC XDDDDD
>>28272293
i know that nothing matters at all
not even the fact that i know this matters
>>28270493
Approximately 2 months ago.
I've had a rough last few days but I still know god is within me. I can't go depressed again, I can't
>>28272313
>look at me i write gibberish to hide that fact THAT I HAVE NO ARGUMENTS HAHA IM SO LE EPIC TROLL XDDDDDDDDD
>>28272383
>gibberish
Like your post?
>arguments
Ideologue pls
>>28272433
>HAHA FUCK IDEALOGUES XDDD SO EPIC AMIRITE
>>28272433
well, dunno about whoever joined onto my argument, but yeah, thats a deflection and a subject change. you havent actually, countered the argument
>god can do anything
>he chooses to do it a way with pain and the possibility of failure.
why?
>>28272230
Thanks senpai.
A bit upset though that I didn't get to see her at an event that was earlier. I was hoping to strike up a conversation with her so that I am not just the creepy guy who obviously likes her but can't talk to her. Now, I don't know when the next time I might see her is, and I am pretty sad, desu.
>>28272506
oh, and any "logical" answer is wrong, because logic is, well, gods creation. he can turn logic into implausibility or vice versa, like, water\wine. the water turning wine makes NO sense whatever, the laws and rules of orrganic chemistry and physics got changed here. he can do it. he just, only does it for water and wine?
>>28272506
>omg you have to counter my argument my ideology sez so!!!
>>28272552
>god can do le water and wine magic XDDDDDDD THIS PROVES YOU WRONG BECAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN IN A BOOK XDDDDDD
>>28272535
I recommend contacting her away from your normal meeting place. Add her on FB or something. If you're confident that you already seem like you like her attempting to talk to her in person might be too hard.
>>28272562
what ideology am i pushing?
and, no, not really. losings an option.
>>28272574
I like how you defy your ideology when it suits you.
>>28272624
positivism is an ideology if you even know what that is.
You don't, of course.
>>28272660
when did i say i was an idealist? i do whatever i want. god can't fuck with me. i reject his creation and replace it with my own.
>>28272585
If I am scared of talking to her in person, what makes you think that it would be less weird to just add her on FB? If anything, it would make my occasional glances that she has noticed seem even weirder. Especially since our only interaction thus far has consisted of being introduced and eye-contact from across the room.
>>28270564
this to be quite honest
vaginal
I cant just say i believe and start believing, it would be a lie no different than saying i believe in jedi. Faith isnt easy
>>28272687
haha so le epic and smart xdddd
>>28272775
when were you under the impression that you were not merely a figment of my will?
>>28272660
nope. i googled it tho.
>Positivism is a philosophical theory stating that positive knowledge is based on natural phenomena and their properties and relations. Thus, information derived from sensory experience, interpreted through reason and logic, forms the exclusive source of all authoritative knowledge.
hmmmmm, not really. i think there could be a soul, or a heaven or hell or hey, maybe we are just some simulation in some computer game. id argue the bible itself advocates positivism, because it argues that yes, all the information and stories told within the bibles pages are well, doing that. people experienced jesus healing them, commanding cripples to walk, and turned water into wine, of which, youd guess that some of them say, tasted it, to figure out that yes: it is wine. id argue that in those realities of say, computer simulation or someones dream, could mean that it would NEVER be possible to determine if its real or not, no matter how much you study the world and its laws of physics and what not.
EITHER way, thats all just, about what ideology im apparently advocating...which...has....nothing to do with the original argument, unless your doing some sort of special pleading fallacy or some ad hominem fallacy. So lets make it easy. lets assume i am/am not pushing povistism. now, that changes the argument...how?
>>28272964
Thanks for confirming that you don't understand the Bible.
You can leave now, pseud.
I don't understand /pol/ type traditionalist culture warriors' love for Christianity.
If you're a Christian then race, nation, culture, heritage, etc. DON'T MATTER because this life is only a brief prelude to eternity.
>>28271117
>Catholicism is Christianity
even better meme
Kill yourself you fucking retard pseudo-pagan papist piece of shit.
>>28270493
>implying I ever """accepted god into my heart""" in the first place
>>28273025
not actually an argument, either. how? why? and this is independent of the bible, really, and more the concept of god himself, could be any good. why would something, that can do anything, do it any other way but the best way?
I'm physically unable to literally believe in God, I can only accept and enjoy the concept as a mythic metaphor or meditation object. The people who actually believe in God or Jesus Christ surely have a mental illness of some sort.
>>28273270
actually, i just realised you answered the question a way i already said is common.
>"he works in mysterious ways"
what, the book isnt literal/not literal? what is it? as far as counter arguments go, thats all ive gotten. well, i responded to that one already:
>"i can see/think of a better way in about 5 seconds, and he hasnt figured it out in what, how many hundreds or thousands or whatever years? "he too can see a better way, but he chose this one despite being able to mold it into any form he wants. then he punishes people for acting the way he designed them to.""
>>28273270
>le arguments are good cuz i sed so
It's a collection of books you stupid bastard.
>"i can see/think of a better way in about 5 seconds,
ITS LE BETTER CUZ I SED SO IM SO LE SMART XDDDD
Will i get a qt waifu if i accept Jesus
All religions are pointless. All they do is give me responsibilities, make me limit myself, and tell me how to live my life.
>>28270493
What's the point? I really never understood why would you stick with theistic philosophy. Plus, what is so appealing about christianity anyway? What valuable and interesting knowledge scriptire can really give to you?
14 or 13
Started listening to choir and fell in love.
