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This man would have helped all robots get better opportunities in the US but rampant feminist whores have denied us all.
>First female president
>Bribed by Wallstreet
>Another 8 years controlled by puppets
>Noone can save us now
need a third party.
>>28154206
This right here, Bernie is economically illiterate and Trump is a neo-Nazi racist fascist.
Vote libertarian in 2016.
>>28153750
Bernie's just as much of a sell out and a puppet as any other politician
Get on the transhumanist train guys.
http://www.zoltanistvan.com/
>>28154246
Whose their candidate?
>>28154206
go green. Jill Stein is Bernie on steroids.
>>28154246
>neo-Nazi racist fascist
>implying this is a bad thing
>>28153750
>This man would have helped all robots get better opportunities
how, exactly.
>>28154298
This is true. He's just the most palatable.
>>28154325
I dont wanna live in oryx and crake world
>>28154363
wew lad, here we go again
>>28154368
Not OP, but universal health care would do wonders for robots who don't qualify for medicaid, and tuition-free public colleges and universities afford opportunities for those willing to receive an education. Also, massive labor projects means more employment opportunities.
An improved nation benefits everyone. Such a shame this guy is essentially untenable now; he gave me such hope.
Don't blame the feminists; they're the bitchiest Hill-shills, but they're not the most populous. Those would be the old farts who blindly vote after having 10 hours of cable news stuffed down their throats everyday; old people are the reason Bernie lost, by miles.
>>28154363
Agreed, "Hurr it's bad because I was told it's bad"
>>28154246
But I like having roads, while also disliking multiculturalism. Is there any party that espouses this?
>>28154501
Ooo you're one edgy lad, son.
>>28154518
Yeah, but I think that party died in 1945.
>>28154518
that's literally fascism
>>28154583
And not having the entire country occupied and destroyed with millions dead within a decade would be nice too.
>>28154246
>neo-Nazi racist fascist
you have to go back
>>28154298
>>28154372
no he's not because he's the most sincere. Sincere in his vision, what he says, and most important his intentions.
He's not like Trump, he's not out to build an empire. He's quite old as well and since he doesn't have to worry about retirement like most old people he just wants to spend the remaining years doing the right and helpful thing
>>28153750
On the plus side, now we can watch it either all burn down or continue to slowly rot.
>>28154583
>yeah, but I think that party died in 1945
/thread
Ironic that a Jewish man was the last hope for the US.
>>28154683
>he's the most sincere.
How do you know that?
>>28154206
>Bernie goes third party
>60-40 split democrat party
>Trump autowin
serious question, why is Hilary popular?
I have literally never met anyone who wanted to vote for her and I am in the most left-leaning state in the country
Most people here think she's just a liar and a puppet to big corporate interests, willing to do anything for votes.
who the fuck is voting for her?
Even you right-wingers have to admit this dude was our best shot at getting a solid country going again; he would have been FDR-incarnate.
And, let's face it, Trump is not winning the general against anyone. I don't hate the guy, but it was gonna be either Hillary or Sanders, and now, thanks to the brilliant voter base of this country, it's Hillary.
Enjoy your two-years-short-of-a-decade of shilling. Continuing a proud tradition 50+ years in the making,
>>28153750
>This man would have helped all robots get better opportunities in the US
topkek Bernies a socialist. He would've forced 90% of the neets here into work programs or cut their neetbux.
>>28154778
Washingtonian?
She's popular because of the silent (voting) majority. Most voters are old. Very old. It's shocking how much of the voter base is over 45.
The most consistent voters are literally those who are older than 60. This country is run by shills, but if it's anything of a democracy, it's a democracy for old shits running the country into the ground.
I went to the polls today and was literally the only person there under 50. Don't talk shit if you aren't willing to do something about it.
>>28154840
nah, Massachusetts
I don't get it. Of all the candidates, she is definitely the most likely to run the country straight into the ground
>>28154880
Where is that? Originalio
>>28154880
Which state? Who got your vote? If it was Bernie, gz, thanks for doing your part. Otherwise, fuck off.
>>28154763
Look at what he wants, look at what he's saying, look at his policies. Who is advocating to protect the most vulnerable in america? Who wants to protect the middle class? He's the only one who cares for the people. You want America to be run by corporate? They could give a shit if you die out in the cold.
>>28154778
the media says its because of black people but its more complicated than that. the black people that go out to vote in a primary are older churchgoing women. like their white counterparts they basically vote for whoever their pastors tell them to. i don't think white people or the country as a whole realize how powerful black pastors are.
>>28154900
A suburb of Philadelphia.
>>28154905
PA, Bernie and some randoms for state office.
>>28153750
feminists dont even like clinton
it's all stupid old cunts who think
>gee its about time we had a woman president!!!!
without knowing jack shit about her or her policies
>>28154763
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU3NKvvxcSs
He's been saying the same thing for longer than most anons have been alive.
>>28154892
I think Bernie's brand of "Liberalism" is not the same as Hillary's. Hillary's is the kind where people get hard-on's from seeing diverse crowds and chicks in hijabs (not Mia Khalifa), and the one that panders to LGBT's. Bernie's is more concerned with economic and pragmatic policy than purely social such.
Big cities like Boston tend to be establishment-friendly. Rural folk are smarter (and this is coming from a life-long New Yorker (NYC)).
>>28154677
Back to where? This isn't /pol/.
Kind of inspiring to see that /r9k/ has so many Bernie bros. I thought it was a Trump circle-jerk in here.
>>28154975
I don't know, in Boston there seems to be a lot of obvious trends based on where you are
Most people near Cambridge/MIT/Harvard are usually either Bernie supporters or think we're all doomed for the next eight years
I think politics tends to be an echo chamber, because people hate disagreeing about politics, so they just stay with people who agree with their political bent
I am so apathetic that I tend to cross those lines
>>28155011
>surprised that a board full of NEETs that rely on government assistance is full of Bernie bros
Really?
>>28154974
That's pretty based. To have so much conviction and passion about something.
>>28154778
I live in a red state and half the people i know fucking love Hillary. wanna trade?
>>28154778
It's all the people that went le first female president, and don't forget women make up the majority of the electorate. It's not a surprise that she's ahead in most polls.
>>28155047
>surprised that a board full of edgy right-wingers is full of Bernie bros
Fixed
>>28155135
shows how much you know then eh
>>28153750
DUDE LET'S JUST TAKE OTHER HARDWORKING PEOPLES MONEY
>>28154833
As if they get neetbux in the first place.
>>28154778
The Clinton name brand more than anything, I think.
>>28155161
>bribe politicians to keep loopholes open
>make money from the loopholes
>think its hardworking
>>28154778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpm4rjejFgQ
You have some women who care about having a woman president more than anything else. You have blacks who would rather have a woman president instead of a white man, or because they like Bill. You have old people, who want someone who won't rock the boat while they run out the clock. You have ignorant people in general who want the name they know or blindly vote for the establishment candidate of their preferred party.
>>28154246
>Libertarian
>Saying someone is economically illiterate
Kek
Damn! Bernie is hopeless! Now I'll have to wait another decade for my country to become an extension of Latin America. Life is suffering.
>>28155483
Yeah, just look at the famed open-borders policy that Sanders is touting! Where did that go? Would you do me the favor of finding it for me real quick?
>>28153750
Berniebots on suicide watch LOL.
>>28154583
>swastika is slightly off center
Can someone please fix this shit? I can't handle it.
>>28153750
Go to pol faggot nobody cares here
>>28154518
Anarcho-nationalism. It's the only way, brah.
>>28155743
Yes, move it even more to the left :)
>>28154246
>Trump
>neo-Nazi
What?
>racist
Based on what? That he wants non-citizens out? This is now racist?
>fascist
What? How?
>>28154974
I think that his age has deteriorated his ability to debate. He should have destroyed Hillary in those debates but it didn't happen.
>>28153750
>>28153750
Better vote for trump if you actually care about your green text
>>28155917
He probably doesn't want to eviscerate her in the event that she does get the nomination, feeling that she'd still be a preferable choice over whomever the republicans end up putting forth. The DNC would probably fuck him even harder if he shred her.
>>28155917
He has to play to all crowds at once; he can't risk losing even a fraction of his voter base, or barring anyone from ever flipping to him. Would it be easy to oblige Bernie bros by fucking annihilating Hillary? Oh, sure; he could do it in his sleep. But Hillary supporters and the MSM would crucify him for it.
>>28155951
Just because Trump doesn't follow the greentext doesn't mean he doesn't come with his own fair share of problems.
>>28153750
>This thread
>Pic related
Top kek
>>28154683
Hes actually not that old compared to the other candidates trump is just 4 years younger.
>>28156077
>not understanding why a government is here in the first place
>>28154647
>>28154647
What would be even nicer is seeing the US economy fail again desu
>>28156182
This. Taxes are a thing. Let's talk about how to go about them correctly instead of circle-jerk demonizing them.
>>28156216
An economy fails when money isn't being circulated. I know! How about we let the rich keep all their money in a vault rather than giving it to the poor, who are already cutting back on expenses just to survive.
>>28154461
>robots
>seeking further education
>seeking healthcare
>seeking employment
none of these things sound like a robot.
>>28156413
Not all robots are NEET
You can be a robot and want education and healthcare.
Also every robot/Neet welcomes free shit that billionaires have to pay for.
>>28156096
Are you trying to tell me 74 years old is not old? You going to compare bernie to a museum mummy and say he's young?
>>28156449
Heck, I'd be OK with stuff any normie had to pay for. Bernie would increase the middle class's taxes, so it's really a win/win.
>>28156474
Are you trying to tell me that 68 and 69 (almost 70) aren't old? Actually, I just found out that Trump and I share the same birthday: flagday.
>>28153750
>Noone can save us now
this man can save us, its better than having a female president and end up like Germany, or any of europe
>>28156532
Or Canada for that matter.
>>28156532
save you from what? student debt? hospital bills? save you from mediocre factory work?
>>28156596
Anyone have the Donald Duck Nazi video where they talk about what kind of horrors would happen if you lived in Nazi Germany, just for the exact same thing to happen in America?
>>28156596
There is literally nothing wrong with being middle class. Try being poor for a while and it'll change your life you pudgy cuck.
>>28156644
White people can't be poor
>>28153750
Just a tax and spend pinko, good riddance, now he won;t get a chance to ruin the economy. Not that the congress ever would have passed anything he proposed to begin with. But now he won't even get the chance,
>>28156707
Damn it feels good to be >le edgy contrarian XD
>>28156644
At the rate we are going there literally will not be a middle class. Donald will not do anything to move the problem in the other direction, but rather will only exacerbate it and hasten the demise.
>>28156644
There is everything wrong with being middle class if they are due to disappear entirely. They are being swallowed whole because they fell for the trickle down economics meme. The only thing getting bigger is the pockets of billionaires and the waist line of the middle class.
Soon enough everyone will be working poor.
>>28154246
that's what i'm doing, stupid berniggers don't understand rights or economics and trump is a racist that hates mexicans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXwDMqjC-A
>>28156804
The problem is the middle class is too big. The rich are setting their prices for the middle class, not the lower class, so in turn, the poor are getting poorer while the rich get richer. This is not a good thing. Both the upper and middle class need to help out.
>>28156644
>tfw lived in arguably lower middle class when I was a young boy
>father worked as an over the road truckdriver, mother mostly took care of my older brother and I + a few things like teacher's aide (at the school we went to) and babysitter
>get to watch the cost of living steadily climb while my father's wages did not
>get to watch my mother's health steadily decline from a severe back injury in her 20s so she can no longer work
>house they owned got foreclosed on, bankruptcy declared, divorce, and now live in utter poverty due to lack of jobs for my brother and I, both parents getting cancer (and surviving thankfully), and further increases on cost of living
>mfw people are utterly astonished when I tell them I'm voting Trump and ask why I'm not voting Bernie instead
Faggot I don't want free handouts and to live on welfare and medicaid and food stamps the rest of my fucking life, I WANT A GOD DAMN JOB. This area used to be fucking great for blue collar jobs, but they're ALL gone.
>>28153750
t r u m p 2 0 1 6
f u c k s j w s
>>28155906
He's not any of those things.
All of those are just generic insults the left uses when they don't like something but can't explain why
>>28153750
Don't worry about it man. Honestly everything he would try to do would be stopped by Congress. republicans would continue cock blocking POTUS and I estimate a decent amount of democrats would do the same if Bernie became president. The system is rigged only for the rich. The rest of us are slaves.
>>28156852
Paul got BTFO here, wtf are you smoking? His dumbass thinks socialized healthcare will imprison doctors, look at france, look at northern European countries, now kill yourself for being so goddamn ignorant.
>>28156900
Preach it
Original
>>28154782
>Even you right-wingers have to admit this dude was our best shot at getting a solid country going again; he would have been FDR-incarnate.
Oh fuck off, the geriatric Jew couldn't even call out Hillary on the emails, the DNC blatantly fucking over his campaign, or any number of dodgy shit like the pay-for-play deals made vida donations to the Clinton Foundation by multinational corporations
At best he'd be another Jimmy Carter, i.e. a well-meaning but ultimately ineffective president
>>28156865
A. Free college and free healthcare is much more affordable for everyone after taxes.
B. Bernie voted against these awful trade deals and has been endorsed by most of the working unions. He's spoken about this dozens of times and intends to write deals that would bring jobs here.
C. Bernie intends to use a major fiscal stimulus project to get the working/middle class growing the economy. They spend 100% of their earnings while the rich spend 15% or less, who are the real job creators here?
D. People don't want to live on welfare, people want more spending power so they can start businesses and live decent lives. The biggest welfare queen is Wal-Mart because our economy is so rigged right now.
>>28153750
Bernie is not a true socialist.
America being the most heavily armed country on the planet, has the rare opportunity to institute proper democratic socialism tomorrow and then we could all take it easy if we were class conscious enough. Full communist revolution is what can save us.
Does anyone else find it fucking pathetic that poor people are so eager to help rich people prevent poor people from getting anything, and then wear it like a badge of honor?
>Massa knows best, massa knows we poor folks ain't deserve no health care without getting into debt, and that us dummies ain't should be at no school using up good rich folks' money. Why, it's just basic economics. They earned every penny of that money by owning things that make more money. Just look at all those horrible European countries with them free schools and hospitals and all sortsa gubbment keeping the rich man down! Mmm MMMM, not in my country! That's why I'm voting for Mistah XXX of the Wealth Party, I tell you what! He'll prevent any of those nasty poor folks from getting anything they don't deserve! Now if you'll excuse, I have to be off my third job, which pays three cents above minimum wage, and lets me choose one snack out of the vending machine FREE O' charge during my 5 minute lunch break.
>>28156865
You're fucking retarded if you think Trump is going to do that for you. The man hasn't even described how he's going to "make jobs". A good example of how low-quality education precludes poor people to staying poor.
If someone is just giving your ass a job it's hardly any different than welfare anyway. No, no, I know how important it is that you move around for a predetermined number of hours once a day to feel like you're contributing, but really, if it needed to be done, it'd be happening right now.
>>28156947
>the DNC blatantly fucking over his campaign
He's called this out and that won't change her supporters to vote for him.
>Hillary on the emails
Because her e-mail scandal is framed as a right wing conspiracy right now, and it would have made him look like a raving lunatic in the eyes of voters.
>the Clinton Foundation
Same reason, only 4chan and Reddit knows how fucked up her money laundering is, the millions of voters out there have no clue and Berne has little information to prove anything, Hillary could lie on stage and make him look retarded.
Plus, being issue orientated and matching up records will bring more voters, not raving about speculations and her scandals, he would look unqualified and desperate.
Also, Bernie would be another FDR. The man is a new Dealer through and through, you have to pay more attention next time.
>>28156852
Right, I suppose police, garbagemen, and teachers are slaves as well since people have a right to their services as taxpayers.
>>28157003
it's not pathetic -- they recognize that they are cogs in machine and will play out their role to the very end. just as the units that invaded IRAQ had agency but obeyed Dubya's orders, so too do the proles of today lbey they uper class udders.
>>28157003
America is the most classcucked country on the planet. Literally North Korea tier as far as brainwashing goes.
Poor conservatives in the USA don't realize they're poor.
>>28154246
Can't wait for a libertarian USA
>>28157095
>It's not pathetic to accept your role as a slave
Houseniggers, everyone.
>>28157095
You're a dumbass bootlicker with no set of decent standards for you or your fellow American, you do not belong here.
>>28157057
>the millions of voters out there have no clue and Berne has little information to prove anything
You fucking what? The deals are plain for all to see - only an utter moron would think there'd be no connection between a corporation donating a million dollars to the Clinton Foundation, and Secretary of State Clinton entering into negotiations with other countries that favour said corporation.
>Also, Bernie would be another FDR. The man is a new Dealer through and through, you have to pay more attention next time.
Again there's a vast gulf of difference between what a candidate says they will do, and what they can actually do.
And if he's struggling to beat a rival that's almost a parody of what an "Establishment" candidate is, in a period of time where voters are increasingly critical of what the "Establishment" stands for (i.e. neo-conservative foreign policies matched with neo-liberal economic policies, with culture-war non-issues as a distraction), what hope does Boynie have of taking on his Republican opponents in the House or Senate?
>>28157114
Don't worry anon, if Trump gets to cut so many taxes, social services and benefits programs that we have the government spending to GDP ratio of some shithole in Africa, you'll get to see your fantasy of poor people begging, looting, and dying in the streetsslums of the first worlden masse to survive made into a reality. I mean hey, just look at how decades of lower and lower taxes have made business "thrive".
Just a friendly reminder that the richest states are also the most educated states, whereas trailer park trash states have a much lower GDP.
>>28157247
*trying to survive
>>28157247
>you'll get to see your fantasy of poor people begging, looting, and dying in the streetsslums of the first worlden masse to survive made into a reality.
You only gotta go to Detroit or the South Side of Chicago to see that. Good, deep-blue Democratic strongholds with high taxes and big public-services programs. Too bad poor people keep themselves poor and all the other people whose taxes pay for dem programs eventually get sick of it and leave.
>>28157114
>no profit
nice socialist park there, chief
>>28157193
>only an utter moron would think there'd be no connection between a corporation donating a million dollars to the Clinton Foundation, and Secretary of State Clinton entering into negotiations with other countries that favour said corporation.
Yeah that's your average voter, not only that, but it's Bernie's word over Hillary's and Hillary is a god at twisting the narrative, plus she has much more information than he does. He had no evidence whatsoever other than speculation, It would have only hurt him.
Also, it has been brought up in the debates and it has hurt her, hence why's she's so trustworthy, but that's not enough for brainwashed Clinton supporters who vote because muh woman muh dynasty muh 90s economy again. It would do more harm than good.
>Again there's a vast gulf of difference between what a candidate says they will do, and what they can actually do
Not an argument, the man visits the grave of FDR and has taught lectures on him, he's the smartest man in the race by far.
>And if he's struggling to beat a rival that's almost a parody of what an "Establishment" candidate is, in a period of time where voters are increasingly critical of what the "Establishment" stands for (i.e. neo-conservative foreign policies matched with neo-liberal economic policies, with culture-war non-issues as a distraction)
Hillary Clinton has name recognition, a very transparent track record, and the primaries are rigged in her favor. . The New York primary required registrations in October, weeks before the first debate for people to learn about Bernie.
Plus, people liked Bill Clinton and don't trust Bernie, these are low information voters.
>what hope does Bernie have of taking on his Republican opponents in the House or Senate?
He'll have the masses of people on his side and riots will occur if the House or Senate don't abide. Not only that, but he's passed more amendments with Republican negotiation than any other Democrat alive.
>>28157362
why's she's so untrustworthy***
>you will never live to see a living wage (meaning able to pay rent and build a pc every other year)
>>28157317
>Too bad poor people keep themselves poor
>people willfully believe this to stroke their own ego and absolve themselves of taking responsibility for any of their own countrymen
Fascism is the only proper political position.
>>28156993
dude i can't wait to live in USSR, north korea or cuba. our le magically form of awful government has never REALLY been tried in the places all around the globe it has been tried!
>>28153750
it wasn't feminists, it was black people
still have no idea why they hate the only candidate that would ever help them, unless they REALLY hate old white jews that much
>>28156979
this, this, this, this
this
orignalio
>>28157417
yeah basically dude, this country's fucked for at least 4-8 years now. We won't get another progressive socialist like Bernie for decades, I'm probably going to move, the rich have taken over this country.
>>28157454
>Communism and socialism are the same thing
Dude I can't wait to live in Australia, the UK, Norway or Switzerland, where all of these socialist policies Sanders wants have been in place and functioning for decades in some form, and discussion of such isn't run through a corporate-sieve to ensure the poor vilify any attempt to make their lives marginally easier or their situation modestly more equitable.
>>28157504
None of these countries are socialist.
>>28157003
Yeah this shit has been driving me fucking insane lately. People I work with at wal-mart all the time who barely even survive and live in squalor with their parents at like 30 years old will try to start conversations about this as if they're part of the ruling class or some shit. "I work for what I have."
Well what the fuck do you actually have? You really don't deserve more?
>>28157546
They all have strong socialist programs, familia, which was my point. But if they were put in the US, America would become a socialist monstrosity, right?
>>28157504
Yeah, I can't wait to live in culturally, ethnically, linguistically (cept a bit of Switzerland, but they're all way multilingual anyway) homogenous nations many times smaller than the United States, too!
Yeah, people thinking that socialized services distributed by the federal government implies communism, in which the means of production are owned entirely differently are retarded.
But people thinking that 'Straya, Norway, Switzerland or other similar nations have systems that are easily extrapolated onto the canvas of an intensely diverse nation with entirely different concerns like the US are also pretty stupid.
>>28157438
if you feel such a responsibility towards the poor, start a charity. Nobody would stop you in a libertarian society. Their objection is you making them pay to subsidize other people's bad decisions.
I don't think you should get to tell me or anyone else what I do with my life or my property, and the fact that you think you know better than I do how my life ought to be lived is the height of arrogance. This is why "fascist" is so often used as an insult.
>>28157592
"Socialist" policies don't make a country socialist and has nothing to do with actual socialism. That was my point. I like Sanders policies the most.
>the government pulling the leash around your neck tighter Is a good thing if they allow to eat too
Fucking cucks, what happened to pic related? You don't honestly think the government isn't going to force you to do something in return do you? I mean seriously, do you think humans admire the self made bearded man who makes a life for himself, or the hero who hunts beasts and inspires the attraction of his lovers and the admiration of his children, because we were meant to be the opposite? I want to live in a world where the decisions that effect a person must directly involve them, not just simply picking the lesser evil of two "represenatives".
>>28157546
straw-manning this hard.
>but they're not actually pure socialist XD XD XD
fucking kill yourself.
>>28157592
>But if they were put in the US, America would become a socialist monstrosity, right?
Nope. It would just mean we would have a more mixed economy instead of this capitalist monstrosity that crashes the economy ever 10 years and exploits workers out of their earnings.
>>28157362
The idea of people actually rioting under a Sanders presidency against the corporate-cock sucking republicans and banks who have been brutally face fucking us for forever and actually getting what we want is incredibly cathartic
>>28157552
What's even worse is that they think there is some inherent, physical quality to the amount or nature of their compensation, instead of it just being a literal social construct born from IDEAS of value. These are the sorts of tools that quote Adam Smith without having read anything he wrote.
I worked retail until a few years ago, and one coworker was a vehement objectivist who worshiped Ayn Rand and talked about how poor people deserve everything they get every chance she could get. She went to my college, and was studying photography (lol), and her senior project was just a bunch of photographs of the folds of fat women (she herself was a hamplanet) in various levels of light.
>>28154773
Its the other way around dumbshit. Trump's vote will get split
Bernie already said that he will endorse Hilary. After he will make it official all the berntards will start sucking her dick.
Hopefully Hilary goes to prison so Trump wins, that's the only realistic way.
>>28157454
Right.
If it isn't Stalinism, then it mustn't really be communist.
>>28157504
>Australia, the UK, Norway or Switzerland
none of these countries are remotely socialist. taxes paying for social programs is a big fucking leap away from mandated public ownership. we already have a fuckton of social programs in place and yet you recognize we aren't socialist, right? you said a full communist revolution would save us when it literally turns every nation it's applied to into a shithole
>>28157504
>Point out to parents that every country except the US has these programs
>Literally about to lose their shit because "well we fund those programs!"
I don't particularly have strong feelings for Bernie but people in my parents age group get really weird about associating wealth with virtue and the things they "deserve". I always hear about boomers calling us "entitled" for wanting unskilled labor to be available as an option instead of "you must go to college and do unpaid internship for 40 hours a week to get your foot in the door". Fucking bizarre my parents were trying to get me to take a 40 hour/week internship at the zoo doing manual labor. Literally shoveling elephant shit for 8 hours a day 5 days a week for free and this is a serious offer the zoo is making.
>>28153750
BUT I KNOW A HERO WILL RISE
>>28157694
>cathartic
nope, our voter-base is by far the most active and we have the best ground game and the smartest people. We're already fundraising to elect more progressive people like Alan Grayson, Tim Casanova and others, do you think we're honestly going to stop if Sanders becomes president? You sure are stupid, millennials will bring the most change because they own the internet and know how to get communication out. The longer Bernie is in the spotlight, the more people like him. This revolution is real, the average worker has been in a recession for the past 15 years, they are angry and the smart ones are with us. Trump fags and Clinton fags only come out to vote once, our movement will never end, it is flaming. We may not win this election, but you better believe, we won't let the next slip through our fingers, then America belongs to the liberal progressives.
>>28157775
Your age is showing.
>>28157775
AND THE NIGHT
THE NIGHT WILL BE TORN APART
>>28157764
i'm literally a WA bernie sanders delegate. i lost my shit because he said we needed a communist revolution to 'save us'
>>28157775
>geriatriac trust fund baby who gets off at his daughter's mixded jew raced children
>LE GOB EMPEROR
lmao kiddo
>>28157761
That guy wasn't me, I explicitly said Bernie's social democracy isn't really socialism.
>said a full communist revolution would save us when it literally turns every nation it's applied to into a shithole
Of course it did because Stalin gave rise to the cold war communist world and it was an absolute bastardization of Marxism.
>>28157809
AND I KNOW WE WON'T FIGHT ALONE!
>>28157682
Why do morons so eagerly quote the founding fathers as though everything they said was rigidly factual and applicable to all situations regardless of nuance?
>I'm this strong, superlative independent man, but these evil government institutions made up of weak, lesser people prevent me from achieving my full potential! If only everyone else would see this and change things, I would be able to be great!
Love this paradoxical implication.
By the way, "effect" and "affect" mean different things.
>>28154778
Every female liberal above 30 is voting for her
>>28157631
This is what i hate about libertarians. They have no solidarity at all for their compatriots. Thinking that most people are poor because they choose to is absolutely ridiculous.
>>28157692
>straw-manning this hard.
>He compared communism to socialism and started to list capitalist countries
Fuck off.
>>28157791
how exactly are we in disagreement because I used the word cathartic? I agree with you familia
>>28157848
i love america but this bugs me too. muh colonies that never remotely experienced oppression (with the exception of the slaves they oppressed) were the torchbearers of liberty
>>28154778
>They want Bill Clinton back in the white house
>Southern Democrat appeal
>Every wymyn ever likes her
>They don't want a 90 year old "socialist"
This isn't very hard to see anon
>>28157761
>none of these countries are remotely socialist. taxes paying for social programs is a big fucking leap away from mandated public ownership.
That's communism, god damn Trumpfags are stupid.
>we already have a fuckton of social programs in place
Yes but they're all shit and focus on keep people from starving to death instead of stimulating the economy and growth from the bottom up.
>you said a full communist revolution would save us
a full progressive revolution would save us, EVERY country should have a Communist party and a Socialist party. Karl Marx was a critique of capitalism above all else, it's a system that relies on exploiting workers out of profits in order to manage. It is failing because of an abundance of good honest labor, does that not sound flawed to you? There are several concepts and ideas outside of Capitalism that we should be taking. These 2 parties would do tremendous things for Americans.
>>28157885
He compared the two based on the idea that Bernie was going to implement a fully socialist country, when he is only implementing social programs similar to the ones those capitalist countries have. Which would make them similar to our own but I understand that you can only dissect one thought at a time so I'll leave you to your frustration
>>28157897
Don't forget that every single Founding Father was from a rich, established family.
There's no such thing as social mobility.
>>28157939
>worker ownership of the means of production isn't socialism.
>State mandated anything is communism
Social democrats piss me off.
Capitalism, fundamentally, is a blight on this planet and the USA is so close to shaking off the chains of it that you can smell it. There's the weapons, the industry, the will and the power to sustain a revolution. But everyone is just so damn classcucked that it's a struggle to even utter the word "socialist" as this thread proves.
>>28157939
>does that not sound flawed to you?
What sounds flawed to me is his idea that labor has inherent value, instead of just being worth what someone is willing to pay for it like everything else.
>>28157939
So you just want more parties in the US? Not really a revolution, but maybe it is from the americans' point of view.
>>28157971
You're right, he didn't really specify that he thought these countries were socialist. I need more coffee.
>>28158011
>Classcucked
will you faggots stop using this meme please? You just come off as sexually insecure bitter virgins. You are also basically copying polfags which makes it even worse.
The only way he might win is if hillary is indicted on criminal charges for her previous mistakes, and the remaining states go overwhelmingly to Bernie. Also the super delegates would have to switch.
>>28155906
Well he may not be those things. But he is at the least a compulsive liar, inept at empathy, and as dumb as a pile of rocks... Which is more than enough for me. Are you just playing devil's advocate or do you actually support this man?
>>28158054
>sexually insecure bitter virgins
Boynie Sandahs will make government-mandated pussy for virgins a priority you know.
>>28158054
"Cuck" has become so ubiquitous on 4chan that it doesn't have even have anything to do with sex anymore, it's just become a perjorative buzzword that means whatever context demands of it.
>>28157939
>That's communism, god damn Trumpfags are stupid.
no, communism us a variation of socialism with the 'absence' of social class, money and state (which didn't fucking work very well).
>Yes but they're all shit and focus on keep people from starving to death instead of stimulating the economy and growth from the bottom up.
i agree with this, my point is that them having better social programs doesn't make them more socialist when we apply the same sort of policies
>EVERY country should have a Communist party and a Socialist party
we do, your revolution would be forcing it on people.
>Karl Marx was a critique of capitalism above all else, it's a system that relies on exploiting workers out of profits in order to manage.
yeah, but socialism as an alternative just makes everything worse exponentially. mass suffering on a level you cannot even imagine if you actually believe socialism is good in practice.
> It is failing because of an abundance of good honest labor, does that not sound flawed to you?
how is it failing, exactly? the west technologically advancing at an unprecedented rate and the public welfare being the highest it's been in human history exponentially is something you consider failing? a few decades ago you couldn't shitpost to someone across the entire fucking world instantaneously
>>28158146
>The CPUSA is actually communist.
They fucking endorse Hillary Clinton. It would surprise me if it's 100% CIA shills at this point, or at least would be if it was relevant enough to warrent CIA attention.
>>28158144
There is still a sexual connotation. That's like saying calling someone a fag has nothing to do with homosexuality.
>>28158097
Trump at least seems to understand that illegal immigration and market globalization are negatively affecting the middle class and also he's not a criminal.
He is pretty much the giant douche to Hilary's turd sandwich though.
>>28154246
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70
A third party candidate will never win in our lifetimes.
>>28158191
My problem is that I just don't believe he gives a shit about any of that stuff. Why would he? He's a wealthy, successful American businessman. The climate for his type has NEVER been better in history. What incentive does he have to help the middle-class, or to care about America?
>>28158178
Calling someone a fag does have something to do with homosexuality. Largely because these days no one casually calls another a fag without intending to imply the other is gay.
"Cuck" on the other hand is applied without any standards. /pol/ has abused the word to the point of total meaninglessness.
>>28156298
Did you know when the rich put their money in a bank it doesn't just sit there? And do you know that the rich typically put their money into assets rather than keep it as plain money?
>>28158223
You know, the prestige of being president.
Stop being a cuckolded manchild and acceopt Trump as your new leader.
>>28158229
Pol uses it because they like to fantasize that everyone who doesn't agree with them lets other people have sex with their wives, its obviously still sexual.
>>28158146
>how is it failing, exactly?
Capitalism is failing because of the expanding wealth gap that is choking the nation thanks to rednecks and burgerfats falling for the trickle down meme. Billionaires are stuffing trillions of dollars into offshore sacks and doing bum-fuck nothing with it aside from playing shell games with politicians, which is exactly what capitalism encourages.
From a social perspective, money is completely useless unless it changes hands. If it sits in a pile in the corner of your room it might as well not even exist.
>>28158261
/pol/ also applies it to literally everyone. Even kids can be cucks according to /pol/.
At this point it's "doo-doo head" tier rude word.
>>28158267
Money needs to be a store of value, not just a means of exchange. Everyone needs to be able to save money, not just the rich. When money ceases to be a good store of value you get hyperinflation, and that destroys the whole economy, from top to bottom.
>>28158267
>Capitalism is failing because of the expanding wealth gap that is choking the nation thanks to rednecks and burgerfats falling for the trickle down meme.
i agree with this. we do need policy changes, reminder that i'm a bernie sanders delegate.
> Billionaires are stuffing trillions of dollars into offshore sacks and doing bum-fuck nothing with it aside from playing shell games with politicians, which is exactly what capitalism encourages.
not true whatsoever. i take it you're not someone who has any sort of education regarding economics or business.
>>28153750
i checked bernie the retard and shillary's tax policies and i have to pay more shit to the government while i pay less with trump and cruz. Fuck that shit i will never vote democrat.
>>28156900
This is a stupid quote. Not all work is equal. If I spent 40 hours a week "working" as a professional shitposter on 4chan, I'd expect to be living in poverty.
>r9k talking about politics
>>28154246
>economically illiterate
>posts lolbertarian party
oh the eye-or-knee!
>>28158362
here, correcting myself. i don't agree capitalism is failing, but i agree that our administration is handling things more poorly than they could be. capitalism in itself isn't failing at all
>>28158362
>not true whatsoever
Tax havens and off shore bank accounts are a real thing, anon. If you're seriously to deny that people aren't shoveling money into banks in the Cayman Islands you've been drinking the bourgeois Kool-Aid.
>>28154246
According to 4chan being "economically literate" seems to just mean deciding Milton Friedman is god whether or not you've read any books on economics let alone have any formal education in it.
>>28158454
Gee, maybe they do that because the government demands an enormous cut in taxes, and there are people like you busy working on finding ways to take ever more.
Over ten thousand of the richest people in France moved to other EU countries when they raised the top tax rate to 75% at the beginning of Hollande's presidency. The more you try to take, the harder people will work to avoid it. Have you considered that there might be ways to help the poor and the middle class other than taking other people's money to give it to them?
>>28157247
You didn't even click on the picture
shake my head family
>>28158511
>abloo bloo muh oppressive taxes, muh poor rich people
God forbid the government would like them to chip in so that the people who make them so rich can live in acceptable conditions.
The great thing about capitalism is you're right. The more the lower classes demand, the more the bourgeois try to avoid it. And eventually they're just going to quit asking and take it, not the money they have stashed overseas but the means of production that would allow them to keep the fruits of their own labour.
Of course Bernie is a whore for the rich so it's no surprise you're for him.
>>28158614
>Bernie is a whore for the rich.
Most pro worker candidate that you'll ever see.
>>28154778
>niggers are retarded and also are familiar with the word "clinton"
>women over 40 will vote for any woman at all
>>28158700
>Pro-gun control
>Voted for imperialist wars
>Pro-worker
He's a Tony Blair tier wolf in sheeps clothing.
>>28158614
I ain't the guy that's for Bernie, actually. If he wants to he can post some kind of differential (You) pic to show that.
But yeah, you can do a lot to improve the conditions of everyone without taking more money.
Why not align school curricula more closely with the things employers look for to make it easier for them to get jobs? Why not make student loans more generous for fields with a big demand for graduates and pay for it by making them stingier for fields that don't? You'll improve people's employability without having to raise taxes.
In a lot of cities people have big problems being able to afford housing, like San Francisco and London. Who says you have to spend money to fix that? Repeal the tight zoning ordinances that make it so difficult to build there and developers will beat a path to your door to build it for you. Tell them that if they own the land, and they want to build housing on it, they're approved, no questions asked. They'll fall all over themselves to build more houses, and the price of housing will drop. You didn't have to raise a dime in taxes.
Markets fix things when you work with them instead of against them. But for you the only acceptable solution is to take more, and then threaten violence if they don't want to go along. I often see leftists wondering how the middle class and poor could possibly support anyone other than them, because, the argument goes, supporting you is in their economic self-interest. For a lot of them its because they don't like how blatantly thuggish you are.
>>28158818
>Implying gun control is a bad thing
>Muh violent revolution
>Voted for imperialist wars
Like?
>Pro-worker
He is. Virtually all of his policies are for working people.
>>28158854
http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/bernies-kosovo-lie/
>>28158854
https://off-guardian.org/2015/07/21/hoax-of-the-bosnian-serb-run-death-camps/
>>28158834
You misunderstand. I don't believe that raising taxes is a problem and I don't buy into the fear-mongering that they glorious job creators will forsake us if we do. I'm simply suggesting that socialist revolution is the eventual, and best possible solution.
America is an insanely resource-rich and industrialized country, they need America infinitely more than America needs them and everyone knows it.
> For a lot of them its because they don't like how blatantly thuggish you are.
Political power flows out of the barrel of a gun, that is a fact. A lot of people are squemish about this but it's hard to deny it when there's a police-station in every town.
But for the most of them it's because for the past century everyone in America has had it crammed into their heads that socialism is the exact opposite of democracy.
>>28158854
REMOVE KEBAB FROM THE PREMISES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-EQJA8Ahac
>>28158854
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/47/military-personnel#.VyBRPXrMsT4
Check it all out here
>>28153750
I honestly don't get what everyone sees in Hillary. Why would anyone get excited about her when she's the same neo-liberal bullshit as everyone else in the establishment? Why does anyone trust her to do anything she says she will?
>>28158434
>implying income tax is necessary.
Fuck you, its like you don't even freedoms. Cockmondler
>>28159191
Income tax is the only necessary tax tbqh.
>>28158854
Gun Control - Agreeing With Liberals For The Wrong Reasons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnuoQ8aRKM0
>>28159213
When the Constitution was amended in the early 1900s to permit the collection of income taxes, the rates were, in inflation-adjusted dollars, 1% of income up to about $450k, rising to 5% for income above about $10m. One of the arguments by groups in favor of passing the amendment was that the people wouldn't tolerate rates much higher than this anyway, and would eject a government bent on taking so much.
Within ten years the top rate was 90%. Governments cannot be trusted to to be confiscatory.
>>28159268
>to to be confiscatory.
*cannot be trusted to not be confiscatory.
>>28159268
>Within ten years the top rate was 90%
And we had to suffer through the Roaring Twenties, an era of prosperity and joy! How horrible.
Fortunately someone thought to deregulate banks after that so they could usher in the Great Depression. Thank god for the private sector.
>>28154246
HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHHHHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAA
>>28159268
Good.
But other forms of taxes just punish the lower classes since they fall on everyone more or less equally. Everyone needs to eat and use the roads, but with income tax you can flexibly tax those who can afford it.
>>28159341
>but muh roads!
I also don't get how you think it's good and proper to take more from people just because they have more to be taken, instead of trying to take the absolute minimum that you possibly need.
>>28159189
it's just name recognition and women want a woman as a president. thats all it takes.
is it really surprising that women are just fucking dumb?
I hope she wins, ruins everything, and gets voted out after one term. this is basically the best we can hope for at this point.
>>28154246
Well in all good faith I cannot vote for a socialst or a fascist but at the same time I want to win elections, so I'm now a #CruzMissile
>>28159398
I was talking about VAT and road-tax, not using taxes to build roads. But somehow this meme is so ingrained in the minds of libertarians they assume any mention of roads is a criticism of privatization.
>I also don't get how you think it's good and proper to take more from people just because they have more to be taken
Remember, the people who say things like this are also the kind of people that defend the rights of rich people to compensate their employees less for their labour.
The reason it's good and proper to tax the shit out of those with the most is because they have more money than they could possibly spend. By taking it and reinvesting it in things worth supporting like schools, hospitals and libraries you help the people who need it most thus stimulating the economy.
There's a good reason why tax happy Denmark is great whereas tax-haven Ireland is a shithole.
>>28159398
>I built this road
>don't drive on my road
>if you want a road build your own
>>28159452
>Cruz.
>Winning anything.
The only way he can get the nomination at this point is by having it given to him by the party in spite of any democratic consideration.
I'll vote Bernie if Trump isn't the candidate
If neither are I'll just stay home
>>28159398
You won't be able to visit Fred because the private enterprise that built it will charge you out the ass to use it. The point isn't that people can't do it, the point is that the free market will NEVER produce something that is free even if literally everyone needs it for daily life. (if anything that will skyrocket the price)
>>28159398
It's incredible how much retards like this will simplify the process of making a centralized transportation system, and then insist the gubbment is doing it wrote despite state DOTs tending to be quite efficient.
He also ignores that all those devices he describes at the end emerged from defense spending which necessitates governments trying to murder and one-up one another constantly.
>>28154246
lol all other political parties that aren't libertarian are just idiots and significantly less intelligent than those who vote libertarian. All of their morals and economic views are just subhuman. Only smart people vote libertarian lol. Fuck everyone else, in fact kill everyone. Since we are always right it is only reasonable that the majority, 99% of the population are complete morons because they don't vote libertarian.
Ron Paul was the second coming of christ.
>>28159482
>>Remember, the people who say things like this are also the kind of people that defend the rights of rich people to compensate their employees less for their labour.
Why shouldn't the price employees are paid for their labor be whatever the employee and the employer agree upon? Why is it any of your concern?
>The reason it's good and proper to tax the shit out of those with the most is because they have more money than they could possibly spend.
Well first, the fact that rich people can and do lose their fortunes and go broke means that yes, you can possibly spend arbitrary amounts of money. But more to the point, its their money, not yours. I think your money would be best used to buy me a new computer. You probably disagree. So why should I get to say "Nope, I'm right and you're wrong, gimme"? It's your money, not mine, and I don't have any control over how you spend it. Nor should I. The fact that you think they should spend their money on things other than what they do spend it on doesn't really matter, even if those things might have benefits - that's their choice to make and not yours.
Also, about Denmark.
>>28159482
>The reason it's good and proper to tax the shit out of those with the most is because they have more money than they could possibly spend.
What are investments?
Give me 1 reason why Libertarianism isn't the cuck political party
>>28159644
How is it being a cuck to say "Anything you do that doesn't hurt me is none of my business, and anything I do that doesn't hurt you is none of yours" and "I don't want handouts or nannying or protection from you, I want you to leave me alone to run my own life how I see fit"
>>28159719
Not letting your wife fuck the superior BBC is hurting her.
What the hell happened guys? I spent forever trying to convice my wife's bull to vote for Bernie but he voted for Hillary anyway. Why can't blacks see Bernie is the best?
>>28159760
le big black cock joke
>>28159614
>Why shouldn't the price employees are paid for their labor be whatever the employee and the employer agree upon? Why is it any of your concern?
You phrase that as if the employee has any negotiating power in this arrangement. They don't, unskilled labourers are essentially infinite so the employer can offer the most insane conditions possible and someone will accept it anyway. Yet unskilled labourers are by far and away the bedrock that the economy is built on, without them we'd be walking around shirtless and starving.
In order to protect this huge portion of the population and extremely important part of the economy, you need to curb the power of the bourgeoisie and give it to the people.
> I think your money would be best used to buy me a new computer. You probably disagree
Here's why that argument is retarded.
The very reason the bourgeosie are so rich, is because they are able to exploit the labour of their employees in order to make a profit. In order to provide upward mobility to these people, as well as assure them a quality of life independent of the whims of the upper class it's necessary to tax the rich. Making life easier for the rich is also in their interest so that they don't get Romanov'd in Ancapistan.
So why do you not have the right to take my money? As a matter of fact, you do since I'm also a tax payer.
You're probably eligible to claim some form of welfare, most likely autismbux, and use that to buy yourself a new computer.
>Also, about Denmark.
That adds to my point. Which is that there should be no tax but income tax.
>>28159614
Danes do pay high taxes but they get good things out of it.
What's stupid about Americans is that we're cheap. We don't want to get taxed, and as a result, we payway more for things like healthcare because the private version is less efficient than the public version. Ultimately we spend more money on our health than people in universal systems; it's a bad deal. If everyone is going to need something, it's a good deal to have everyone paying for it together.
And the fundamental problem with the "taxation is theft" ranting is the idea that rich people are islands. They're not. The rich get rich within the fertile ground of civilization and off the backs of their workers. What high taxes on their income accomplishes is forcing them to reinvest in the infrastructure that created them, allowing new successes to come up after them, preventing them from calcifying the top and insulating themselves from innovation. These are all good things and they get to continue being rich successes in spite of any taxes leveled on them.
I think only Ayn Rand was naive enough to believe that millionaires come mostly from the dirt anyway, most of these people were born with silver spoons in their mouths.
>>28159799
I've literally watched my gf fuck a black guy I don't know what happened to my life
>>28159944
But, why?
Right, I forgot about the robot.
>>28159774
>Why can't blacks see Bernie is the best?
Bill did a great job becoming the white nigga everyone loves. So basically any black person older than 30 is forever loyal to the Clintons no matter what.
ITT: berncucks on suicide watch
>>28159962
I hate to blame porn but I've been into some weird shit the last few years
>>28159614
Denmark is the happiest country in the world.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/16/travel/worlds-happiest-countries-united-nations/
>>28159994
So it was your idea?
I can't even imagine how that conversation would go.
>>28160014
She's a heroin addict so she's used to sleeping with black men
>>28160029
What's going on in your life, anon?
Where did it all go wrong?
>>28160002
Denmark is a boring miserable shithole being swallowed up by Muslims, i dunno why Americans keep mentioning it
>>28154355
yep, if Hillary and the DNC step up their trashing of Bernie and his supporters, that would be very good news for the Greens. Potentially the first legit shot at 5% since Nader 2000, and Trump is weak enough that there probably won't be a spoiler scenario to kill the momentum from a strong showing.
>>28160055
Denmark's a pretty nice place. Sure it's getting filled with Muslims but so is everywhere else in Europe, at least they get clean streets and quality public services out of it.
>>28153750
>feminist whores
By far the single strongest supporter group of Clinton is niggers. Then old people. Only then women.
>>28160077
it's really no better than any other country in Europe, it's just there
>>28159191
>probably votes republican
>>28160051
I (barely) graduated high school since I just never cared and would rather play WoW all night than do my work. I started drinking at that point and the last decade has been drinking and the occasional hospital visit when I drank too much. The first visit had me seeing a psychiatrist and on my way out one day I saw this girl I used to talk to at parties so I started talking to her again. Been drinking, failing to hold a job, and dealing with her issues since.
Should we break up? Yes. Will I just commit suicide at that point? Yes. Am I hiccupping from drinking too much? Yes.
He wanted to dumb down the Military though, which would've been a blunder considering we've made a mortal enemy out of Assad. What do you think is going to happen when Syria recovers? Syria will probably attempt to invade the US, in which case we'll need to be prepared
>>28159856
>You phrase that as if the employee has any negotiating power in this arrangement.
You're right, unskilled labor has little bargaining power because there's so many unskilled laborers. Large supply (and falling demand, from automation and such) leads to a low price. The more skilled a worker gets, the more bargaining power he has. If you're a tech wizard who can do things almost no other programmers will do, Google and Facebook and the rest will fall all over themselves to throw money at you. Fight basic economics all you want, but you'll only die tired. The only way to increase those workers' pay in any sort of lasting fashion is to make those workers more valuable (i.e., give them skills and make them not unskilled laborers anymore)
>In order to provide upward mobility to these people, as well as assure them a quality of life independent of the whims of the upper class it's necessary to tax the rich.
You already tax and spend plenty. How about using some of those already-vast sums that you have to support upward mobility? Most first-world countries already take something close to half of their GDP in taxes, you're telling me that half of everything a country produces isn't enough, and you desperately need more?
You also need to realize that some people - a lot of people - just can't be helped, and will take whatever benefits they can get from you. The left in general seems to be unwilling to cut these people off and let them fail (and, yes, die) on their own. Well, bailing out people and making it impossible for them to fail works like bailing out banks - you remove all incentives to avoid bad behavior, since someone will always be there to save you.
>Making life easier for the rich is also in their interest so that they don't get Romanov'd in Ancapistan.
Ah, there it is again! "And you better go along with us, or we'll just kill you". Ever stop and think why it is that most first-world countries find that ghastly nowadays?
>>28160128
That's dire. Hope it gets better someday.
>>28160142
>Syria will probably attempt to invade the US
what the fuck
the sad part is hillary and the republicans actually see irrelevant dictators as a threat. At least Obama has some common fucking sense.
>>28160142
There is someone out there who actually believes this.
>>28158223
The man is self funded so banks can buy him out, unlike any other candidate.
He lived his life, made a fortune, raised a huge and successful family and now he wants to give back to the country he loves. Throughout his career he stayed faithful to the country, creating thousands of jobs and stimulating American economy. Id take a business man over career politician without blinking.
>>28160301
Can't buy him out*
Plus there's a reason the media and GOP itself are raising hell back and forth trying to bring him down. He is the anti establishment, unlike Bernie "I will back Hillary" Sanders.
>>28160144
Here's the problem. How do you get more skilled? Education. How much does that cost? A great amount, not to mention the time you need to invest in it. If you are an unskilled individual that needs to support themselves it is simply not an option to both go to (and pay for) school whilst also making enough to support yourself unless you have generous amounts of assistance. How do you fix this? Free education, and a higher minimum wage.
>you're telling me that half of everything a country produces isn't enough, and you desperately need more?
You're missing the foremost premise of my argument - that there should be no tax but income tax. I'm saying we should totally abolish VAT and so forth, but compensate for that with additional income tax.
>The left in general seems to be unwilling to cut these people off and let them fail (and, yes, die) on their own.
Yes, of course I'm unwilling to cut these people off. No matter how much someone wishes to milk the system I have no problem devoting a little of the government budget to spare them the absolute horror of homelessness and starvation.
What kind of monster do you have to be to let someone starve to death just to support a system of government?
>Ah, there it is again! "And you better go along with us, or we'll just kill you". Ever stop and think why it is that most first-world countries find that ghastly nowadays?
That point wasn't meant to recommend killing the bourgeoisie, it was meant to say that revolution is simply inevitable with some concessions from the bourgeoisie. Which it is, if you think 99% of the population are just going to lie down and get fucked by their job-creating masters with any regulations you're totally delusional.
>>28160382
*inevtiable without some concessions
http://www.strawpoll.me/10061749
http://www.strawpoll.me/10061749
http://www.strawpoll.me/10061749
>>28160382
>How do you fix this? Free education
We already spend a whole lot on free education K-12. Either we shouldn't spend as much if we're content with the level of education we're getting, or, preferably, we should spend what we do have better than we do. See pic.
>What kind of monster do you have to be to let someone starve to death
Ask any inner-city teacher. They have whole schools full of kids who don't want to improve their education and enter employment. You aren't talking a little bit of the budget, you're talking tens of millions of people and tens of billions of dollars in America alone. They'll waste or disregard any hand up you give them, knowing that you're always willing to give them a hand out. Either don't take that money from the taxpayers or, if you do, spend it on someone that is willing to make an effort.
>>28160514
>includes Jill Stein but not Gary Johnson
subtle, 7/10
>>28160301
>the media and GOP itself are raising hell back and forth trying to bring him down
everything else you said is a matter of opinion, this part however is false no matter how much the media wants it to be true.
So there are more than a few influential Republicans who openly don't like Trump. What have they done to stop him? They started a super PAC to run some ads. Big whoop. Have they made any move whatsoever toward coalescing behind a single candidate? Nope. Didn't even force Rubio to stay in. And some of the biggest donors are staying out of it, not even giving to the anti-Trump super PACs. The Kochs are even floating Clinton as a real option. That is, assuming Trump doesn't moderate.
It's clear they're all hoping that he proves just as flexible as Clinton with his positions, and that he gives up the crypto-fascist act after the primary. Perhaps they've even been assured of this by Roger Stone.
The media loves Trump, the CEO of CBS said it straight up. Election 2016 is the best show on TV. They cling to Trump's every word. The talking heads love Hillary, but their outrage just fuels him. And their confused indignation when he starts flip flopping after the convention will just make Hillary look bad.
If "they" are trying to stop Trump, they're half-assing it.
>>28160553
>>If "they" are trying to stop Trump, they're half-assing it.
They're trying to have it both ways. They want to stop Trump, but they want to keep Trump's voters onside, because they're en route to a lot of losses without them. They can't have it both ways, and at the end of the day they'd rather do anything for a chance at winning instead of split the uneasy coalition that the GOP has been up until this election.
>>28154246
Trump IS a libertarian, how else do you get capitalism?
>>28160530
>We already spend a whole lot on free education K-12. Either we shouldn't spend as much if we're content with the level of education we're getting, or, preferably, we should spend what we do have better than we do. See pic.
When I say free education I'm not just talking about compulsory education. I'm talking about university, trade schools, and so forth.
>Ask any inner-city teacher. They have whole schools full of kids who don't want to improve their education and enter employment. You aren't talking a little bit of the budget,
1. The unemployment rate is 5.5% and it's guaranteed that voluntary NEETs are in the minority among that. Even in the black community the unemployment rate is only 9%. This myth that inner-city schools are full of lazy workshy layabouts is silly.
Not to mention the lions share of social spending goes to aid children, the old, and towards healthcare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_programs_in_the_United_States#Types_of_social_programs
The amount going towards NEETs to buy 40s and cigarettes or whatever you imagine they're spending it on is absolutely trivial.
