Why does /r9k/ think about libertarianism? Is it a robot-approved philosophy and way of thinking?
>>28153585
It's the only political system for rational, intelligent people. Anyone who says otherwise is either economically illiterate or a statist bootlicker.
>right libertarianism
Libertarian socialism is what robots should support.
Also more sneks
>>28153585
it's the perfect way of thinking for a robot for sure
>>28153660
libertarian socialism cannot work, socialism is only affordable if the state can exert enough control over our lives to minimise the costs to society
>>28153585
As a teenager I didn't like it but now it sounds comfy. All you need to do to make it is:
1.Not have kids before the age of 25
2.Not drop out of high school
3.Not commit any major crimes
Poor people are poor because of excessive automaticity and stupid
>hello we are libertarians peace and civilisation are for statists
>>28153784
okay but you can also do those things in a society that isn't a make-believe fantasy
LOLbertarianism isn't feasible. Normies cannot cope with full freedom.
It would be nice if everyone could just do what they want, but the peaceful man will always be infringed upon if we give them this freedom. I would like to live in a microstate one day, make my own rules. I see the appeal.
>>28153585
>no NEETbux
what made you think that this was robot-approved?
Even if you're not NEET, why would want to regress to a society where you have to pay "protection money" to private thugs. That's worse than just paying taxes.
Why would you want to live in a world here there's no government to inspect and control how much recycled feces is inside of your microwave burrito?
>>28153937
libertarians believe that you will pay someone else to inspect your burrito and that they will definitely not be bribed by the burrito company because you're paying someone to vet the inspection company who will definitely not be bribed by the vetting company because you are paying a different inspection company et al
>>28153937
>no NEETbux
Some of us can't get NEETbux and have to work, so what sense would it make to have money taken from their wageslave job to give to some autistic smelly NEETfuck only for him to spend it on his animoo figurines
No I don't think it's possible really.
Not trying to derail thread but... I think ideally:
Universal suffrage should only exist at the level of local government.
Representation at the National tier should be restricted to property owners and members of the military.
Owning property or a company that conducts business in foreign countries should disqualify all levels of voting.
Those who can vote in national elections ought to be required to have a family member in the armed forces.
All things economic should be fair game.
>>28154018
See the other 3/4 of my post.
Social libertarian is the only acceptable social policy. Economics get more dicey, and I'm not educated enough to definitively say whether or not it's ideal.
My leanings are to say that this century, some form of socialism will simply be unavoidable, but who knows.
It's stupid.
>>28153585
It's just an exacerbation of all the problems that led to robots in the first place.
Capitalism and democracy are degenerate on principle, and elevate the lowest elements of humanity.
Things will eventually burn themselves out.
>>28153585
It's the best system for introverts, just leave me alone and I will leave you alone. That being said I don't know if it is economically feasible I am probably more of a classical liberal I think.
>>28153585
>Is it a robot-approved philosophy and way of thinking?
do you really need to ask? (pic related)
>>28153660
>Libertarian socialism
is an oxymoron.
>THE GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT AND GREEDY, RIGHT GUYS?
>YEAH!
>THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT TO DO AS LONG AS WE DON'T HARM EACH OTHER
>YEAH!
>CORPORATIONS AND PRIVATE INTERESTS HAVE CORRUPTED THEM FOR TOO LONG! THEY'VE GROWN TOO POWERFUL! THEY DON'T HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST AT HEART!
>YEAH!
>THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD ENTIRELY SHIFT THAT POWER OVER TO PRIVATE INTERESTS AND CORPORATIONS!
>YE-whait what
>>28153585
le "I don't like taxes" snek
>>28153585
As a left wing libertarian socialist who majored in philosophy and is probably more well-read on the subject of philosophy in general including political philosophy, I'd say that it's approved.
But I'm a dirty tripfag so what do I know?
>>28154317
>and is probably more well-read on the subject of philosophy in general including political philosophy,
oh, well then...
I don't really believe in civilized society at all on a large scale. Only small communities can actually function in harmony. Society on a massive scale as a whole should be done away with, letting people go off to do their own things.
>b-but that would lead to violent anarchy followed by barbarianism
ok, well, that'll happen, but i'd rather get killed/raped by some invaders whom i at least can match equally without having to worry about legal shit, than have to worry about invaders and having to follow laws which prevent me from killing threats to me
>>28154494
>implying that society isn't the most peaceful it's ever been.
>>28153638
>>28153784
Either bait or the opinions of children.
>>28154691
>t. economically illiterate statist
>>28153585
>>28154356
>Average Libertarian.jpg
Libertarianism is a cancerous ideology created by the Jews that seeks to erode all morality and ethical restrictions in society under the guise of ultimate "freedom". This would allow them to jew everyone without any restrictions via ultra capitalism.
In reality a libertarian society would have structure, and the vats majority of people would be made slaves to a small portion of the upper class (the Jews and their minions). libertarianism is just another term for corporate feudalism.
The founders of most forms of libertarian thought were jews or tools of the jews and it's major body of adherents are neck-beard shut-ins, retarded psuedo-christian hicks, and spoiled suburban 15 year olds. All of whom, need to be sent to the gulag.
>>28153638
The state is a corporation that managed to monopolise all the important markets and citizens are its shareholders, employees and renters of its property.
We are automatically always living in libertarianism.
>>28154826
>jews want to limit freedoms using SJWs
>jews also want to promote freedom using libertarians
/pol/ can be retarded sometimes.
Libertarianism favors people with money who are worried about it loosing its value. The vantage point of the Libertarian is that of a speculator.
Reminder to vote Gary Johnson if you have even a basic understanding of economics unlike Berniggers and aren't retarded like Trumpcucks.
>>28155228
if you vote gary johnson you are what's wrong with libertarianism
Austrians don't give the psychological school the time of day. They know it's a fraud. If you remove the privileges of the state to regulate and direct economic activity the state will not survive. Then we are back to lawlessness and are vulnerable to some real tyrants. Instead of trying to kill it off, people should focus their energies on guiding the state in the right direction. The rule of law acknowledges the rule of the majority, but the rights of minorities are guaranteed under law. Libertarianism, for all its talk of liberty and volunteerism, cannot promise the same.
>>28153638
>It's the only political system for rational, intelligent people
>>28155228
literally who: the candidate
>>28153585
It's one of the most highly valued views among robots. Don't listen to what the Bernie supporting occasional users tell you.
>>28153815
Let's play a game. Which group is statist:
A: The armed thugs who extort large groups of people for monetary tribute
B: The people who want to prevent said armed thugs from being able to extort those people
>>28154317
>majored in philosophy
No wonder you support left wing socialism
>>28154941
>jews also want to promote freedom using libertarians
You failed to see my point, libertarianism will not create freedom, it will lead to a resurgence of feudalism.
>>28153660
>Libertarian socialism
It baffles me that people think that phrase makes the slightest amount of sense
>>28153585
>highly economically conscious
>you wanna be a transsexual homosexual? not my problem
>>28155407
>if you don't agree with me, you support my daughter being shot
>>28155407
fucking armed thugs! fuck tHE STATE
>mfw libertarians are calling themselves nationalists these days
they love their words, don't they?
>>28153815
>implying libertarians are in favor of anarchy
graduate highschool with a D in your civics class then come tell us why you support socialism
>>28155449
Libertarian being less control of the people
Socialist being more control of the market
Not a very hard concept, really
Can someone explain to me how the no borders thing is supposed to work ? Or how any kind of anrchy os supposed to work. Say we get rid if the government and open the borders then whats stopping another countey from assuming control ?
>>28155556
>implying barbarians were in favor of anarchy
>>28155567
The two aren't separable. It's a moronic catchphrase.
>>28153974
>be burrito company
>according to leftist ideology, I am greedy and want to make/keep as much money as possible.
>since I'm so greedy, why would I spend $$$ bribing burrito inspector companies? Wouldn't it be easier to just make a quality burrito instead of constantly having to bribe inspection companies?
Mods if you delete the leftist threads you have to delete these threads too.
>>28155584
Um it let's the pathetic fat ass behind the computer feel a slight sensation of control for a quarter of a second. That's how it works.
>>28155567
that's left authoritarianism you dumbfuck
>>28155605
I thought you were a libertarian.
>>28155600
more like
>burrito company uses toxic and or harmful ingredients to cut costs
>no fucks given because no regulation
>people now eat mouse shit burritos and no one stops it
>>28153974
>imblyng da ebil corporation isn't already bribing the current FDA, and that it would be easier to bribe multiple food inspection agencies than just one as it is now
>>28154059
>I'm not educated enough
>I haven't been brainwashed enough to know if theft with the threat of arrest and possibly death if resisted (taxation) is not ideal
Why does everyone always shit on libertarians? It's like you guys don't even want to give us a chance. FUCK.
>>28155666
>people get sick from mouse shit burritos and stop buying them as a result
>mouse shit burrito company goes under
Woah, its like magic or something !
Why do poor white people think rich white people see them as equals?
>>28155702
Sit down rand, nobody cares.
>>28155708
>mouse shit burritos mislabeled as 100% beef
>some people get sick but they are unable to discern the source
>anyone who accuses mouse shit company killed and or silenced because no courts
>no courts to prosecute mouse shit even if it is discovered
>>28155712
Because theyre delusional as all shit and honestly belive that racism, class warfare, and genral asshole-ishness does nkt exist if they themselves dont feel that way towards them
I think politics is for normies and needs to get the fuck off of this board and back to /pol/.
Saged.
>>28155769
Either you're the same person or you took the really shitty bait
>>28155790
>le apathetic towards politics position
I don't vote lmao
>no welfare checks
>wagies unironically worshipping their bosses and sucking up every slop of normalfag propaganda about how you're totally gonna make it too if you slave hard enough
shit political ideology
>>28155790
that too
>>28155755
>no courts
how bout the mob of angry people who themselves or who's families got sick kill them to deter other leeches from ripping them and their communities off instead of some long winded old wigged statists jerking off about muh lawbooks and jew lawyers finding a technicality to let them off scot free
>>28155818
Im oldfag and have never even registered.
Politics are for squares.
>>28155862
Damn son you must be some tough shit
I bet you smoke camels
>>28155860
>impartial courts replaced by vigilantes
Looking better and better libertariancucks!
>>28155862
>Im oldfag
this isn't /b/ gtfo
>>28155889
The real heros are the guys typing out retard spiels.
>>28155755
>some people get sick but they are unable to discern the source
After hearing about others for whatever reason becoming sick after eating mouse shit burritoes they switch brands
>anyone who accuses mouse shit company killed and or silenced because no courts
People notice that these individuals whove called out mouse shit inc. Have all suddenly died and connect the dots
>no courts to prosecute mouse shit even if it is discovered
People abandon the brand and they lose everything
Are you even trying ?
>>28155803
It's actually a relevant question. It explains the basis of Trumps support. He's not anti establishment, he doesn't believe in what he says, all that's left is his promise to stick it to the lower races, or to make whites feel like they winning again. He's not a libertarian either, so don't bother with that.
I reckon it could work within an isolationist country although it would need to be fused with some nationalist ideas.
>>28155712
>>28155769
>>28155961
so you are the same person
>>28155790
I think you're a normie in desguise. Get him boys!
>>28155996
The first respond wasn't me, but you still haven't answered my question.
>>28155953
>After hearing about others for whatever reason becoming sick after eating mouse shit burritoes they switch brands
You can't detect adulterated food that easily my man
Everyone in here is fucking retarded. Libertarian or not you take every piece of bait in the thread and have managed to turn it into a debate on the ethics behind mouse shit burritos.
>>28154095
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>>28155567
>>28155639
>>28155712
>>28155853
>>28155889
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>>28155996
not an argument
oringalio
FUCK THIS ROBOT
>>28156069
>oringalio
>FUCK THIS ROBOT
seriously do mods even punish bot evasion anymore?
For all it's talk of freedom, libertarianism cares way more about stuffing the pockets of the rich than it does about actual civil liberties or civil rights.
>>28155996
Sorry brah, only one of them is me :)
>>28156171
The only rights and liberties that exist are the ones you take for yourself you limpdick faggot.
>>28156230
Edgy, m8.
I'm sure your some sort of epic libertarian ubermensch, rather than some socially awkward guy shitposting on a website made for talking about japanese cartoons. :)
>>28156171
lemme guess, you think of rights as "I have a right for the government to provide me with all these things"
>>28156281
Let me guess, you unironically believe that natural rights are real things, and not just metaphysical nonsense libertarians employ when they try to argue for businesses discriminating against black people.
>>28156318
>metaphysical
Nobody thinks rights are metaphysical dumbass. They are a concept that is necessary for a free society. Also before you act like a faggot I mean free as in free from other people's control and not free as in free will.
>>28156318
So you assert that we have no natural rights, and all we have are what the government benevolently decides to allow us to do?
>>28156281
>I have a right to free speech!
>NAOOO U DONT BECAUSE I CAN SAY WHAT I WANT TOO WAAAAHHHHH
fucking lolbertarians
>>28156281
>property
>exclusive right
HAHAHAHAHA holy shit senpai!
>>28156357
that doesn't even make any sense
you have a right to say what you want and so do I. one person having that right doesn't prevent anyone else from exercising it
>>28156379
one person having the right to free education, healthcare, money or food doesn't mean someone else doesn't have a right to free education you fucking imbecile
>>28156409
"Free" education still costs money, which means people have to pay for your right. That's not an actual right.
>>28156354
"Benevolently allow", no. We have rights because in the past, people fought for them, sometimes violently, sometimes not. They aren't "natural" though, they're man made legal concepts.
>>28156409
free education and heathcare and money and food are different because someone has to pay for those. I can exercise my right to free speech without costing anyone else any money. Nobody else has to do anything at all. A "right" to free education is a demand that someone else has to cough up money to give me something. Why should they have to pay just because I want something and think I deserve it?
>>28156441
are you sure a right isn't whatever you say it is depending on how the wind changes?
>>28156573
Yes, I'm sure. All of the things I believe are rights are backed up by reasoning.
>>28156601
>rights are things you have an exclusive claim to
>wait, no they're not, they're things I don't have to pay for
which is it?
>>28156601
keep up the good fight anon
>>28156631
That's not at all what I said. The reason free education is not a right is that it is not exclusive. It's not exclusive because other people have to pay for your education.
>>28156631
if it's "other people must refrain from interfering with me" its a right. if it's "other people must give me something" then it isn't. it's pretty simple desu
>>28156687
> It's not exclusive because other people have to pay for your education.
Simple Definition of exclusive
: not shared : available to only one person or group
: only allowing in people from a high social class
: available to only a few people because of high cost
>>28156794
>being pedantic
It's very clear what I meant you don't have to argue over the meaning of words.
>>28156941
words mean things you goddamned cretin. if your entire logic hinges on a word meaning something that it doesn't it means your argument is illogical and fucktarded.
This thread is maximum neckbeard. 10/10. Amber alert.
>>28157023
How is it wrong anyways? Its exclusive because it doesn't necessarily include someone else in it's claim. Free speech doesn't require anyone else to participate for you to have free speech. Free education necessarily requires someone else. It's exclusive in that it is a claim that can exclusively apply to you. Can't believe I actually had to explain this.
>unironically being a libertarian
fuck off back to le leddit underage scum
>>28157070
It's out of control. They're going for a new record.
>>28157097
>Free speech doesn't require anyone else to participate for you to have free speech.
I don't require you to participate if I wanted to shit on your lawn and piss on your furniture. Is that a right too?
>It's exclusive in that it is a claim that can exclusively apply to you.
You don't exclusively have the right to say what you want. Is free speech now not a right?
Just go back to school already
>>28157209
you're deliberately misunderstanding what words mean.
You don't have a right to shit on my lawn because it's my property and I get the exclusive right to say what happens on my property.
My right to say what I want is not exclusive in the sense of only I can say what I want, it's exclusive in only I get to determine what I do or don't say. Neither you nor anyone else get to tell me what I have to say or tell me I can't say something. That's how its exclusive.
>>28157070
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKQyPfN6s88
>>28157253
>My right to say what I want is not exclusive in the sense of only I can say what I want, it's exclusive in only I get to determine what I do or don't say.
And you get no input whether I choose to go to school, who my doctor is, whether I receive welfare or foodstamps even though you're entitled to receive the same
checkm8
>>28157380
If I'm not paying for it, you can go to school, see any doctor you want, and generally do whatever the hell you want. No skin off my back.
What you can't do is say "Hey! Government! Make this guy pay for me to go to school and see this doctor and etc etc! Take his money and give it to me and throw him in jail if he doesn't pay!"
>>28157432
But I can do that friend
11/10. It's breaking apart.
