What does /r9k/ think of religion?
>>28122275
I like your pringle giraffe, he's cute
>>28122275
I'd buy some giraffe flavor pringles.
>>28122275
I wish I was born as a religious man and not a cynical one. Life would have been better, I curse upon nihilism and cynics alike.
Can't believe people remember this shitty forced meme.
People can do what they want if they don't try and force it on others
modern religions are too abstract and based in guilt-tripping which leads to mental illness
the world would be improved by reverting back to oldass multi-god sex cults for its spiritual needs
>>28122275
It's fine if people keep it to themselves
It's something inferior people use to not get angry, bitter and homicidal.
I honestly kind of wish I could believe in it. Looks like it bring comfort. I literally can't make myself believe it though, its just not something I think is true, and its not like there's any real information people can give to change my mind since its all about faith,
Overall I'm probably fedora-tier
>>28122906
what's wrong with being angry, bitter, and homicidal?
>>28122864
>It's fine if people keep it to themselves
sorry anon, but you're an enemy of Christ and currently under condemnation with no ability to save yourself from God righteous Wrath against all whom hate him
i'm not gonna keep that information to myself, especially since i know how you can be rescued
>>28122931
Well normies think it's wrong. That's about it.
>>28122985
Amen.
I have nothing else to say.
>>28122275
/r/ing rule 34 on Pringlegiraffe
>>28123177
Dubs confirms itsamefag
>>28122275
I don't believe in God but I go to church three times a week and think that religion is an incredibly useful tool in statecraft and it was up to me I'd force everyone in my country to be the same religion.
Opiate of the masses.
>>28123367
well this is a meme because the majority of people these days aren't religious
>>28123399
They are, it's just that the dominant religion involves consumerism and celebrity worship.
I believe that jesus christ is our lord and savior and we will all be brought to heaven one day. either that or singularity. whichever happens first.
>>28123470
Careful with that edgeI completely agree
Hey, guys! Let me tell you all this cool stuff that'll happen when you die, but only if you follow me--I mean God!
>People start filing in
Oh, and you also have to follow my--I mean God's--rules
>People start leaving
But you'll be cast to Hell if you leave!
>People come back
And this is how every Empire ever has started.
>>28123367
marxism is a idealistic naive philosophy which disregards basic human nature, believing that man freed from his shackles will immediately become an altruist and joyfully give his life for the collective
this flies in the face of all the evidence provided so ably by every socialist regime that has ever existed; revealing instead the scriptural truth that man is inherently corrupt, and evil in his every intent and imagination
>>28122275
It's fine and may make you feel better (or worse).
>>28123564
So build a philosophy where freedom is the chain which binds people to altruism.
Learn from history, don't repeat it.
>>28123663
>so build a wall
FTFY
>>28123564
>"I'm going to take an example of marxist ideals!"
>uses socialist states
Marx hated socialism.
>>28123663
one need not build a philosophy, when the Creator God of all things has become a man, and given direct instructions on how to make peace with Him
learn from Jesus and repent
>>28123793
all socialism derives from marxian thought, and marx was naive to think any man inspired by his work would not corrupt it, just as sinful men corrupt everything
... just as Marx himself could not live up to such ideals
>>28122801
like hinduism?
>>28122275
It's a good concept if you're living in the dark ages. Keeps most people from doing bad shit. But it's utterly unneeded in modern society, and causes enough wars and conflict to balance out the good. Not to mention that the sheer volume of idiots it attracts is simply staggering, though there are many individuals of high worth amongst them too.
>>28124064
>and causes enough wars and conflict to balance out the good.
the 20th century saw more wars and conflicts than the previous 19 combined - name all of the ones caused by religion
>>28124064
Religion doesn't cause wars. General dissatisfaction and growing up through wars makes people violent. Religion is used as an excuse because its easy to get masses of people to rally behind a belief. There need to be more theologists. Not saying people should force their beliefs onto others, but learning about religion can be just as beneficial as learning the sciences.
>>28123882
Don't know if you've noticed, but Jesus ain't around, and neither is god.
You and me, we're here. I think it's about time we stop waiting around for a messiah, and start fixing our own shit.
robots are the products of an atheist society
Will the afterlife make anime real?
Praise KEK! Bless my memes.
does anyone have the mr pringles drawing where he's kneeling in front of a loli and holding onto her hips?
>>28124546
>>28124605
>>28124618
What the fuck just happened to this thread?
>>28122275
I'm religious so I think it's fine I guess
I think that's too broad of a thing to ask about though.
Big difference than Islam and Shamanism for example
>>28122275
Useful for expelling foreign cultural influences.
Interesting from a historical standpoint.
Great for the charity they organise and provide.
Rewarding as a tool for introspection and reflection.
Idiotic to buy into wholesale without scepticism or critical thought.
>>28124482
no anon, you are wilfully and obstinately refusing to look at the facts, which are that there was a man called Jesus of Nazareth who proved His authority and divinity by the miracles he performed and by resurrecting after His death
if you refuse to look into the veracity of these claims, you are choosing to refuse the truth - and anyone who hates truth, hates God
Well, I am a God.
>>28123543
There's literally zero historical basis for that honestly
>>28124282
LOL @ you totally missing the 'fake a 9/11 attack & use Bin Laden (cia operative) to justify a war crime against, and a false public perception of Islam?..
Obviously paying attention isn't your specialty, which completely negates any of your opinions...
>>28124695
I didn't deny any of that, I just said that he's dead now and we should deal with our own shit.
Besides, the world has changed so immensely over just the last 50 years that absolutely nothing said 2000 years ago could possibly be relevant to the modern world. Everyone's just trying to interpret an instruction manual for an old model of humanity and apply it to the new model. It simply will not work.
>>28122275
I want to start a religion around this pringiraffe
>>28124863
>Besides, the world has changed so immensely over just the last 50 years that absolutely nothing said 2000 years ago could possibly be relevant to the modern world.
All of it is relevant
You've said nothing of substance
>>28125017
I made a point, which is more than you just managed.
Dismissing opposing opinions without retort is losing, not winning.
Oh look, 2 points.
>>28124863
>I didn't deny any of that, I just said that he's dead now
you understand that denying the resurrection of Christ 'is' a denial, right?
>>28122275
I think people should keep their religions to themselves.
>>28125077
>I made a point
No you didn't
W robots believe in lord gaben episode 2
Lol @ anons deyning the true Profit (PBUH) and the FINAL word of God. Enjoy hell.
People who are against it need to go back to lebbit already
>>28122801
>modern religions are too abstract and based in guilt-tripping which leads to mental illness
False; go back to lebbit
>>28122920
>its just not something I think is true,
Your ignorant opinions are irrelevant.
>>28123543
More ignorance and revisionism, adorable.
>>28124064
ITS LE 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>28124482
THING I DONT LIKE DOESNT EXIST ITS 2016 LIKE TO FIX OUR FUCKING FUCKFUCKFUCK SHIT!
>>28125222
>Islam
>science
>>28122275
Religion encourages superstition and legitimizes insanity for profit. Physics for the win.
>>28125270
Sounds like something you'd see on /r/atheism
>>28125286
>>28125252
>m-muh Christian hugbox!
Fuck off. No one has to entertain your ridiculous beliefs
>>28125305
Except it's objectively true :^)
I do not think, therefore I am not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHxyP-nUhUY
>>28125315
If it's objective then it can be proven.
a coping strategy for those who fear the unknown
>>28122458
Why?
You're able to look at life objectively, and give an honest appraisal of a situation without religion colouring your view.
>>28125360
Here you go :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0iDNLxmWVM
>ameriblubbers spamming their nonsense again
Kek. Cut dickd jew sand god cucks.
>>28125263
naw dude there are totally like only 7 planets
>>28122275
Consuming various media makes me believe in the Christian God, just finished Blood Meridian and it's quite good
>>28125372
Is life really worth to live if there are no reward for the suffering? Why wouldn't I want to believe that there will be salvation on the other side? Why would I want to not have a devotion for something pure and beautiful? I don't understand why I was born to be a cynic.
>>28125390
>New Testament scholars
>what is confirmation bias
>>28122985
>>28123072
It's also a way for people to feel superior while their lives are horrid.
>>28125489
Should be easy to prove it wrong then :^)
>>28125517
I don't need to. The whole thing is already completely invalid.
>>28125559
>>28125517
Arguing over religion is stupid. You can't prove or disprove anything. You can't even prove you exist why would you be able to prove God doesn't?
>>28125559
>>28125077
>Dismissing opposing opinions without retort is losing, not winning
>>28125423
It should only convince you of the memetic potential of cunning lies.
The impotent Christian God soon will be cast down back into the abyss.
>>28122275
Abrahamic practices often blind people into thinking their lives have any meaning or relevance.
It's ultimately a tool for manipulation through though policing and guilt, which can damage people if you are guilty of something in the eyes of a man made concept.
The problem with trying to answer the questions of life is that you no longer see to cherish life the way you want to cherish it, you live your individual life by an invisible authority.
It was important when people were too dumb to see any fault in rape or theft because the dumb people could go to a concept such as any Abrahamic religion and think "oh, I shouldn't steal, other wise I'll live in Hell for Eternity".
>>28125559
a = 1
b = 2
a + b = 3
>>28125603
I'm not that guy; and this isn't even an opinion anyways. This is an assertion of fact.
>>28125611
> Abrahamic practices often blind people into thinking their lives have any meaning or relevance.
Isn't that a thing to prefer over nihilism or absurdism?
>>28125678
shit that was supposed to go to
>>28125592
>>28125515
>It's also a way for people to feel superior while their lives are horrid.
superior to whom?
you?
anon, you understand that by someone saying they're a christian they mark themselves as the lowest of the low; someone who needs not only a crutch to get through life, but actual resusitation and an iron lung, yeah?
christians can't claim superiority; because God says Himself in Scripture that he chooses the most broken, despised and reviled of the world to pour out His mercy upon
basically christians are worse than tripfags man - there's no ego-trip here
>>28125697
If you're an optimistic faggot that is too much of precious idiot to realize life doesn't have meaning, yes.
>>28125678
Are you trying to demonstrate an example of a logical proof?
I'm fine with the concept, but that's not the best one to use
>>28122275
I prefer mysticism.
>>28123367
>nobody religious has ever participated in a revolution
Marx was a retard.
>>28125762
Is living a happy and so called meaningful life equivalent to being an optimistic faggot? Who wouldn't want to have a purpose to follow?
>>28125808
The people fighting in a revolution wouldn't have been religious to begin with if the elites hadn't pushed it onto them.
believe in whatever you want. i'm not a religious person
>>28125785
You're now aware that "rape" in the verse your rebbit meme is referring to means to seduce an unmarried virgin. And she isn't sold to him. He pays a brideprice like any other marriage of the day after ruining her prospects of marriage normally
>>28125842
happy =/= optimism
Nihilism is the cancer killing Western society.
>>28122275
Surface level religion is a malicious ruse
Slightly deeper religion is personal delusion, but not necessarily crafted to fulfill the goals of some manipulator or other
Religion that goes deeper still is like opening pandora's box, breaking from reality. And reality will try to take you back, for some reason. Still don't know for sure if it points to truth.
>>28125842
Happiness is just a name for what we feel when we get a spike of certain chemicals in our brain.
I don't care if you're happy, this means nothing. Anyone can say they're "happy", doesn't change the fact that you're insignificant in the eye time.
>>28125910
Good.
>>28125844
If people are still willing to fight, religion doesn't seem like much of an opiate.
>>28126002
Except Christianity is true so he's not meaningless
>>28125844
The hell are you talking about?
Christianity spread through the slaves and plebs first against the wishes of the pagan elite
>>28125901
More theists are happy and content with their life than atheists. You said that being a theists is equivalent to being an optimistic faggot.
>>28126002
But wouldn't you agree that it would be good to not be cynic and therefor enjoy the little happiness there is in this grim existence?
>>28126030
If you'd like to believe that sure.
But when you take you're fairy tails and ancient moral philosophy out of the picture, it's safe to say go fuck your meaningfulness.
>>28126074
>wouldn't you agree that it would be good to not be cynic and therefor enjoy the little happiness there is in this grim existence?
Not him but I'd rather have the harsh truth than a comforting lie. I don't want to be deluded.
>>28126078
except for >>28125390
>>28126098
Even if the harsh truth depicts you as a shallow container that contains an unfillable void of miserable thoughts?
>>28125678
That's not proof, that is presumption
>fact
That is ideology.
>>28126002
LE SCIENCE XDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>28126098
I DONT LIKE IT SO ITS DELUSION XDDDDDD I READ CAMUS AND AM 16 SO IM SMART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>28126166
Yes? If that's the truth then that's the truth.
>>28126176
You're totally convincing everyone
>>28126074
>More theists are happy and content with their life than atheists. You said that being a theists is equivalent to being an optimistic faggot.
See >>28126002
>Happiness is just a name for what we feel when we get a spike of certain chemicals in our brain.
I don't care if you're happy, this means nothing. Anyone can say they're "happy", doesn't change the fact that you're insignificant in the eye time.
>But wouldn't you agree that it would be good to not be cynic and therefor enjoy the little happiness there is in this grim existence?
No, because I'm not a deluded idiot and I don't see happiness the way you do because it's an entirely subjective notion.
>>28126229
>>28126215
You guys miss my point completely. Wouldn't you swap life with a happy and content normie any day of the week? Why would anyone want to stay being a self loathing cynic if they had the opportunity to become happy, innocent and unknowing?
>>28126176
what the fuck
It's a LITERAL proof. There are no assumptions being made at all.
>>28126176
Zizek pls go
>>28126351
You miss my point.
Happiness is subjective.
I'm not happy with ignorance and I don't want to be a normie faggot.
>>28126215
>You're totally convincing everyone
I'm not here to convince toddlers.
>>28126358
>proof
Proof is an ideological concept.
>>28126358
Not him but is it really fair to put such a question under the scientific lens?
>>28126399
Why are you here then? Just to sperg out and look like a retard?
>>28126399
Nobody likes you Zizek fuck off
>>28126417
IM A SCIENTIST METAPHYSICS IS RUBBISH BLABLABLA I HAVE NO REMOTELY UN-REGURGITATED THOUGHTS AND FORCE MY IDEOLOGY DOWN EVERYBODY'S TIGHT LITTLE THROAT
>>28126443
>DUDE UR DUMB IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT MY BIG FAT IDEOLOGY DOWN YOUR THROAT
>>28126388
Of course happiness is subjective, I don't argue about that. What I cannot understand is why you would want to stay being a fucking cynic depressed beta if you had the choice to change.
>>28126351
Being a blind slave to a system that chews you up and spits you out without a second thought to your well-being is not how I'd like to live. I don't care if I'd be "happier" that way.
>>28122275
I don't mind someone having a belief. I just don't like people shoving up their religion on my throat.
>>28126469
>>DUDE UR DUMB IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT MY BIG FAT IDEOLOGY DOWN YOUR THROAT
That's exactly how youve been behaving for this entire thread
>>28126483
Fine, I yield. What is happiness in your opinion? What do you think about your life?
>>28126473
I would change if I could, but not into what you're idea is of being happy because we have a difference in opinion. I'd rather be a cynic than ignorant and I'd rather be a depressed beta than an normie.
>>28126469
>IM A SCIENTIST METAPHYSICS IS RUBBISH BLABLABLA I HAVE NO REMOTELY UN-REGURGITATED THOUGHTS AND FORCE MY IDEOLOGY DOWN EVERYBODY'S TIGHT LITTLE THROAT
What is that supposed to mean? I only argued that having such a cold and stern view of happiness maybe isn't good for yourself.
I wish I still believed. It felt like God was in my corner. Now I have no one in my corner.
>>28126399
Do you even know what you're saying? If we are to take you seriously, and operate under the idea that proof is ideological, then you are speaking complete gibberish.
>>28126559
Then what would you change to? And why would you change?
>>28125610
When atheists start producing books to demonstrate their beliefs in a both extremely intelligent and engaging way I'll consider, but ultimately reject nihilism
>>28126574
Then take a leap of faith anon and read Aquinas
Don't you want to have swag like mine?
>>28126535
I'm not really sure what you're asking, are you asking what my idea of a perfect life would be?
I think my life is pretty lonely and sad, not sure how being religious would change that though. Its not like being a christian would get me a gf.
>>28126655
>Its not like being a christian would get me a gf.
Christian qts would date you though
>>28126608
I don't care because I see no point in living.
I'm seeing a therapist but I don't if it will change anything.
I'll kill myself by 40 if I don't change by then.
>>28126676
Pretty sure Christian qts want a Christian Chad.
They probably wouldn't like a 5' 10" passive ginger with a hairy back and shoulders no matter what his religion was.
>>28126684
i'm seeing one too, and I think it's good to think about these questions. Is it depression?
>>28126573
it's from an epic meme video that you probably missed on lebbit
>>28126591
>anything i donlt ike is gibberish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
>>28122275
Its my favorite storybook
>>28126627
what book should I start with?
All this talk about
>muh science
And yet science does not collide with christianity in any way.
>>28122275
Two types of religious people. The actively involved and the "just in case". If the just in case would just ditch the religious label, we'd be down to like 30% religious people in the USA. They'd have much less sway and power over laws and such and would lose much of their legitimacy.
>>28126852
Aquinas by Edward Feser as an introduction
Aquinas actual works aren't for beginnerfags
After that go for the Summa Theologica
Then read Confessions by Augustine and City of God
>>28126901
how old do you think the earth is?
>>28125752
Yes there is people saying you will go to hell and I won't in order to feel superior. Their life sucks so they feel superior to the wretched who don't go to heaven.
>>28126906
>being a fools fool
>>28126901
>mfw a YEC tries to give me Kent Hovind pamphlets
>>28125891
Why does the translation of the bible have to be so shitty then? You can't argue "it meant this in that context" because every translation of the bible changes a lot of shit. The Koran is actually literal so Christians are dumb.
>>28126954
Genesis, read it.
>>28126994
That doesn't answer my question. How old do you think the Earth is?
>>28127040
Ca. 4.5 billion years.
>>28126911
Appreciate it anon. I've needed something new to read anyways.
>>28126956
well i've just explained the Christian position - do you think such people are behaving like consistant Christians?
>>28127102
And where in the bible did you get this information?
>>28127171
What does the bible have to do with the age of the earth?
>>28127171
Genesis, I told you to read it.
>>28127134
What makes your position any more legitimate than theirs? Who made you the arbiter on who's a "real" christian and who isn't?
>>28127190
Is there a specific verse you're referring to?
>>28126901
Science being irrelevant does, though.
>>28126906
f'dora
>>28126994
No that would be to haaaaaaaaaaaaaard its not le epic meme scifi i saw on reddit!
>>28127191
1. the teachings of Christ are recorded in the Bible
2. the Bible* says Jesus deliberately chooses the poopyheads of the world to shower his blessing on
3. anyone who claims to be a follower of Jesus but is on an ego-trip thinking they are superior to anyone else is denying Christ
4. ???
5. PROPHET
~
*see sermon on the mount/beatitudes - and there's other places too
>>28127233
The point is genesis was written in hebrew, the word for day in hebrew (yom) has several meanings, inclueing an undetermined amount of time.
"On the sixth day" does therefore not necessarily mean literally 24 hours.
>Literally no evidence has been collected over thousands and thousands of years which even slightly proves anything religion says is fact
Are you fucking retarded
>>28127342
>evidence
>fact
Take your ideology back to lebbit
>>28127342
see >>28125390
>inb4 excuse not to bother
>>28127361
I wonder how a court of law respond to this.
>Defendant, do you have any evidence to back up your claim?
>pfffffttt evidence? Your honor, "evidence" is just a silly made up word
>>28127447
I see you've opted to ignore me
see >>28125390
>>28122275
retarded but somewhat needed.
they are some people that need to be told to behave so they don't fuck things up.
for christ's sake, some people genuinely believe that you can't be a morally good person without god. religion was made to keep those people in check
>>28127383
I've actually seen this before, because I wanted to know what religionfags actually believe. It's literally just a bunch of claims backed up by nothing, why are you quoting that as a source?
>>28127598
>It's literally just a bunch of claims backed up by nothing
Mike Licona - The Resurrection of Jesus
Gary Habermas and Mike Licona - The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHofT...
Gerd Ludemann - The Resurrection of Christ
JP Holding - Defending the Resurrection
N. T. Wright - The Resurrection of the Son of God
N. T. Wright - There is a God
Antony Flew and Gary Habermas - Did the Resurrection Happen?
John Dominic Crossan - Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography
E.P. Sanders - Jesus and Judaism
E.P. Sanders - The Historical Figure of Jesus
Bart Ehrman - The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the early Christian Writings
William Lane Craig - Jesus' Resurrection: Fact or Figment?
William Lane Craig - Reasonable Faith
Geza Vermes - The Resurrection
Richard Bauckham - Jesus and the Eyewitnesses
Gerald O'Collins - What are They Saying About the Resurrection?
Andre Aleman and Frank Laroi - Hallucinations
C. H. Dodd - Apostolic Preaching and its Developments
J Warner Wallace - Cold Case Christianity
R. K. Siegel and L. J. West - Hallucinations
Leonard Zusne and Warren H. Jones - Anomalistic Psychology: A Study of Extraordinary Phenomena of Behavior and Experience
Walter Bauer - Crucifixion
David A. deSilva - Honor, Patronage, Kinship, & Purity
Origen - Contra Celsum
Justin Martyr - Apology
Josephus - Antiquities
Richard Bauckham - Gospel Women
Tacitus - Annals
James Saurin - Sermons of the Rev. James Saurin
Jacob Kremer - Die Osterevangelien
Dale Allison - Resurrection Jesus
Behan McCullagh - Justifying Historical Description
Egil Forland - Acts of God?
>>28125390
Actually believing this is synonymous for being a fucking degenerate.
>>28127640
If I believe in alien abductions and write a book about it, it's immediately true, no evidence required
>top lel
>ctrl+f ingnosticism (with an i)
>0 results
stay pleb, /r9k/.
I bet you're all ENFJ's too.
>>28127686
Prove it wrong my friend :^)
just another way for humans to trick themselves into being immortal. because ape brains can't understand death.
after life = live forever
kids = part of you gets to live longer
prominence = your name, what you created or discovered lasts through time.
>>28127447
>i cant argue so i post le epic meme that makes you look le silly
>>28127753
Go back to lebbit
>>28127787
>I can't argue
And you can? You haven't made a single argument ITT
>Nobody recognized Gordon
Fucking newfaggots, kill yourselves.
>>28127804
Arguments are irrelevant to me.
You, taking up an ideology that values arguments, must make one or be deemed inconsistent.
>>28127739
Prove that you don't have an invisible monkey flying behind your back which dissapears every time you try to look at it.
>>28127925
>>no argument
>whataboutism
Prove it wrong
>>28127962
But I can quote it from several meaningless books which people who believe what I believe in wrote
>>28127983
The go through it and prove it wrong
>>28128012
>Can't disprove, therefore it's wrong
Did you pass middle school
>>28128039
If you've got no argument then it's right :^)
>>28127640
You've supplied this long list of 'sources' in the hopes that someone easily awed my book titles will somehow believe that this is a lot of evidence.
The reality is that we have NO authoritative historical evidence for Jesus having existed outside of the gospel stories.
The closest thing the pro-Jesus people can supply are the quotes in Tacitus, which APPEAR to refer to Christians - and their belief in a "Christus", but this isn't strong evidence for Jesus himself - just that people believed in him. I could write a book referring to the existence of the Church of the Subgenius and the man 'Bob' they follow - this isn't strong evidence that Bob actually existed.
If you had good evidence of Jesus's existence outside of the gospel stories, you'd have listed the evidence, not 'sources' alone.
I'd like to point out that in no way does the lack of historical evidence for Jesus disprove Jesus's existence. According to the gospel stories he was basically a nobody when he started preaching, so we wouldn't necessarily expect evidence to exist.
>>28127837
Are you seriously implying that Christians never argue about anything?
>>28128326
No? Are you illiterate?
>>28128180
>evidence
Why do you believe this is relevant?
>>28128409
The fuck are you even getting at then? "an ideology that values arguments" what the fuck are you even saying you goddamn autist?
>>28128423
I specifically said that contemporary secular historical evidence isn't necessary to the doctrine of the established 'christian' churches. I'm responding to claims about the historicity of Jesus, though.
The Christians who promote the idea of strong or even any historical evidence for Jesus outside of the biblical texts, are being dishonest - and this harms both christians and non-christians.
>>28128451
So, you are illiterate.
>>28128478
Nope. I can tell you don't have anything to back up your claims.
>inb4 prove it wrong then :^)
You can't prove a negative. As someone who asserts a claim, the burden of proof is on you
>>28128503
>proof
I keep telling you that these ideological concepts are irrelevant.
>>28128547
So you can't prove anything? Cool, looks like we're done here
>>28128603
>Y U NO ACCEPT MY IDEOLOGY!?!!?!?
>>28122275
It's an effective way of controlling people and teaching morals.
>>28128651
Asking someone to back up their claim is not related or exclusive to any particular ideology
If you're willing to accept something without any proof or reassurance that the concept is true, that says a lot more about you then it does about me.
If you will allow me to tip my fedora for a moment - I'm personally not religious, but as an overall concept I don't like it. I have met fantastic individuals who are religious and they can even find peace in it and for them, makes them better people. However, the overall concept of "organized" religion is the biggest scam to date. It plays on peoples fears of there being no afterlife to make money and cause corruption.
>>28122275
I LIKE THIS PICTURE
CAN WE MAKE IT A MEME
>>28128715
>IF YOUR WILLING TO ACCEPT SOMETHING THAT ISN'T MY IDEOLOGY YOUR STUPID EVERYTHING IS DICTATED BY MY EPIC WIN IDEOLOGY I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT AN IDEOLOGY IS BUT I KEEP SHITPOSTING ANYWAY
>>28128756
>However, the overall concept of "organized" religion is the biggest scam to date. It plays on peoples fears of there being no afterlife to make money and cause corruption.
Historical revisionism meme?
>>28129809
so why do you believe in God then?
>>28129832
>stemfag can't comprehend anything outside of his ideology
The definition of autism
>>28130634
>stemfag
Nope, law.
Anyways I'm just asking why you believe in God?
>>28122275
In the end we all know that god created porn and rule 34.
>>28130659
>law
Advanced stemfag.
The answer is already lost on you if you're asking.
>>28130712
>I can't articulate the reasons behind my beliefs
lol
>>28130731
>i project onto people because i am le super smart le logical stemfag but can't stay consistent with my ideology
>>28128012
You cite Crossan, a scholar who believes Jesus was not even buried and probably eaten by wild dogs.
I think you haven't really looked over your own sources very much.
I find it odd that you cited Crossan considering he believes Jesus wasn't even buried, and theorized his corpse was eaten by birds and dogs.
>>28130833
Sorry I didn't mean to restate the same thing twice.
>>28130767
>my ideology
why the fuck do you keep repeating this as if its a valid point? I don't even know what """"""ideology"""""" you're referring to.
And yeah if you don't have a single reason as to WHY you believe in God then I'd say your faith isn't very strong, or at least not based in anything worth believing.
>>28130861
>I don't even know what """"""ideology"""""" you're referring to.
Because you're an illiterate stemfag.
>reason
My point > your head
>>28122275
I think all religions are cancer and they offer nothing of value. You can be part of a community without religion and you can do good without religion as two examples.
>>28130892
>Because you're an illiterate stemfag.
you probably majored in arts or some shit. Or even worse, you probably work minimum wage retail or some other dead end job.
Are you saying you don't need reasons for your beliefs? I guess if you want to live that way then that's your choice, not sure why you're casting so much judgement on other people who aren't as much of a sheep as you are.
>>28130930
More projecting from le smart stemfag.
>sheep
epic meme i also saw that on r/atheism earlier xDDD
>>28122749
Yee this desu. No mute plsrino
>>28130930
Do you honestly not understand what he means by ideology? Are we really going to have to fucking spell it out for you, you fucking autistic cunt?
>>28130833
Not an argument
Unsurprising that you didn't have one
>>28131079
What kind of argument do you want?
>>28131018
Hope you enjoy living below the poverty line for the rest of your life.
>>28131060
No I don't. Please explain.
>>28131120
>projecting more
IM SO LE SMART XDDDD LE STEM XDDDDD LE EPIC LOGIC EVIDENCE PROOF XDDDDD (when it benefits me!)
The funny thing is I work in STEM and was born into money.
>>28131153
All I'm asking is what are your personal reasons for believing in God. Idk why you're sperging so hard
>>28122275
Test. It seems like a good way to guide your thinking.
>>28131183
>STEMfag needs reason to believe
>>28131200
Why do you say that like it's a bad thing?
>>28131183
He never said he believed in God you retard. He's saying you're so trapped in your scientific/STEM ideology that you're holding every other belief system up to your standards i.e. requiring "proof" and "evidence". STEMfags really are the lowest of the low tbqh my man
>>28131236
Not him, but what do you base your beliefs on if not evidence?
>>28131211
Because it's autistic.
>>28131277
>STEMfag samefag still can't grasp anything out of his ideology
The definition of autism
>>28131200
What, am I supposed to believe in something just for the hell of it? Why should I believe that one particular religion is true over the thousands of others?
>>28131236
Already said I'm not stem you illiterate fuckwad. Anyways I don't know why anyone would believe in anything without at least some kind of assurance that their beliefs are true.
>>28131292
So you just believe things without any evidence then? Also calling someone autistic isn't an argument it is just an ad hominem.
>>28131277
>what do you base your beliefs on
Kill yourself you absolute retard.
>>28131356
That's just an ad hominem that wasn't an argument. Why would you respond with that?
>>28122275
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ela3ChTzFcA
I'm fine with religion I guess. As long as theists and atheists don't force their views on my I could care less. I'm personally agnostic and nihilistic, in that I can't prove the existence or nonexistence of a greater being, as well as I believe that life is inherently meaningless and it is my goal to give my presumed existence meaning. /endrant
>>28131337
>>28131340
To give an actual answer beyond insulting you, you're trapped in a mindset i.e. ideology, that demands you provide proof and evidence for beliefs. Can't you see that for someone who is not constrained by that ideology, evidence is not required to believe? It's that fucking simple my good fellows
>>28131337
>literally autistic
>>28131340
>YOU NEED AN ARGUMENT BECAUSE MY IDOELOGY DEMANDS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>28131386
pure ideology
>>28131420
So why do you believe then? Just for the hell of it?
>>28131420
I understand, that's why I asked what you based your beliefs on if not evidence but so far I have only been given non-answers. Either answer the question or I have no way of knowing why you believe in a god.
>>28131428
well out in the real world people are going to laugh at you if you try to convert anyone using this reasoning.
>>28122275
I think we need to define "god" first before we decide on whether or not one exists.
In any case, daddy doesn't appear to be paying rent anymore. The survival and progression of our species is entirely dependent on us.
>>28131496
>reasoning
There the STEMfag goes again, pushing his big fat ideology down everybody's throat.
>>28131515
>daddy
>progression
LE 2016!!!
>>28131518
So, let me get this straight, you don't use reasoning? So you just go through life without thinking at all and using your brain. That's pretty sad, I'm surprised you haven't given into your base instincts and committed some crime that sent you to prison or got you killed yet.
>>28131546
I'm not sure what this post is trying to convey.
>>28131557
>oh yeah keep sucking that ideology, baby! OH GO--SCIENCE IM SO FUCKING SMART!!!
What if god existed but stopped giving a fuck about everyone ?
>>28131577
It's not even science man it is basic human thought. Human beings use reasoning whether you want to or not. I guarantee you use reasoning and the scientific method every day without even realizing it.
>>28131469
>>28131483
>needing to base your beliefs on something
Seriously? People do actually believe things simply because they believe them. They don't need to be based on anything. That's the whole point of beliefs you tards, they're true for the person who holds them, no matter what your ideology says.
>>28131574
Be
>>28131601
>basic human thought
ITS 2016 WHY AREN'T YOU USING COMMON FUCKING SENSE YOU WHITE MALE!!
>>28131629
Yeah but why? If that's the case then do you believe that I am God? I am claiming to be God speaking to you through 4chan. Do you believe me or not?
>>28131629
I believe that I am an agent from an alien species sent here to monitor humans, figure out their weaknesses on a societal level, and report back to my overlords so the invasion can begin.
I don't have any reasons for believing this, but if you ask me what my reasons are for having this mindset I will insult you and claim I don't need proof.
>>28131654
>yeah but why?
There he fucking goes again.
>>28131641
The year is irrelevant because people have been using reasoning since the dawn of human/human-like species, hell even before that. Also the fact that you used the >current year meme is ironic. The whole point of mocking that is that it is a non-argument that is not based on logic.
>>28131701
So do you believe I am God or not?
>>28131726
He's just collecting (You)s, man. Don't bother.
>>28131629
Maybe it would be better to pose the question this way.
Why should *I* believe in God?
>>28131726
>logic
>argument
>reasoning
You keep trying to force your ideology's concepts onto people that don't accept them.
>>28131755
>still can't even stay consistent with his own ideology
>>28131769
>Why should
This is your ideology: stop forcing it down everybody's throat.
>>28131686
>>28131654
Oh my fucking God. This is why the other guy is insulting you instead of engaging with your retarded shit. The reason for believing is that I believe it is true. How is this hard to understand? You don't need fucking proof if you step beyond your shitty ideology for more than five minutes. It's not a case of making an absurd statement and then saying "hurr durr I believe this".
>>28122275
its pretty cancerous (especially christianity and islam) , i hope it dies in the next century
>>28131805
>It's not a case of making an absurd statement and then saying "hurr durr I believe this".
Actually that's precisely what it is.
If that isn't what you're doing, then what are you doing?
>>28131803
True believers spread the word of God. Hope you enjoy hell, psuedo-Christian
>>28131863
Christianity isn't an ideology you shitposting STEMfag.
>>28131805
>The reason for believing is that I believe it is true
>It's not a case of making an absurd statement and then saying "hurr durr I believe this".
lmaoing at your life
