then why does he let us suffer......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzQuE1pR1w
because we go against xer will
>>28088591
Tear off the bandaid, kiddo. The only god here today is me.
>>28088591
Free will for humans makes suffering inevitable.
>is an atheist
>wonders why god doesn't help him
Strange how the most atheist boards are the most miserable. I'm talking to you /pol/ and /r9k/
>>28088600
>those extreme liberal talking points
>>28088591
Because Earth is hell and we're being punished for past transgressions..., or because he's benevolent.
>>28088633
Do people actually honestly believe we're all here by chance?
Even when I say that I don't believe in god, I only mean in terms of the ones people pray to and go to church for, basically man made gods, but I feel there is clearly some sort of entity or reasoning behind why any of this exists.
>>28088591
look at it this way: you aren't suffering as much as you think you are.that said, he's kind of a dick
>>28088668
You'll never know. You'll never be sure.
>>28088591
To differentiate between the true angels and the true demons.
>>28088668
there's no reason to posit anything intelligent behind creation of why things exist, it just raises even bigger questions
He needs something to laugh at, he needs something to pass the time when he's bored.
If there is a god, we were created as something to laugh at.
>>28088653
>promotes cutting military expenditure to help the poor and explore space
>extreme liberalism
https://youtu.be/zP_10bDxaVo
>>28088691
But why give us no free will then?
If you need that answered, then I may as well explain the theology of it to a toddler.
That's not going to happen.
You probably also believe Christianity supports the view that people deserve to suffer (which makes the Crucifixion pointless)
>>28088685
'know'ing and being 'sure' have no place in this.
>>28088732
See? You're toddlers.
>>28088732
Oh but you do have free will. You made the choice not to use it.
did god invented god?
>>28088591
because "god" is the demiurge and it derives energy from our suffering
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge#Gnosticism
going to tip my fedora here but there is a certain point where you just have to admit that christfaggotry, islamomemery etc. is all obviously made up bullshit and people who still honestly believe this stuff are deluding themselves tbqh
>>28088736
I don't get you point fedora tipper, I also don't think you 'know' anything about theology. Certainly not enough about the universe to make a bold assumption like the one you just made ("I kno there's no God becuz I'm edgy AND pretentious elite hackers 14 year old").
>>28088782
What the fuck are you talking about?
Are you illiterate, boy?
>>28088752
When? Originalit
>>28088591
BECAUSE ADAM ATE FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE
>>28088796
you tickled his defensive religiosity
it doesn't take much
>>28088736
>You probably also believe Christianity supports the view that people deserve to suffer
but that's exactly what it does. that's kind of the hook that all of christian theology hangs on.
salvation was not something we earned or that we even particularly deserve, but one given to us as a gift out of love.
>>28088591
Because it's part of the experience. Who said god needs to care for you and make your life a joy ride? I love those "Don't believe in god because how can he let such suffering exist?" type of people. They never believed in god; they believed in god's intervension. Those sort of Atheists are as simple minded as the religious idiots they look down upon. They want god to be their nanny. Incidently those guys tend to replace god with the state as their nanny.
>>28088807
Lol! Not being autistic means you're religious? Kay.
he is a sadist
>>28088824
defensive post m8
>>28088797
When what? I don't fucking know
Because it is both irrelevant and necessary.
>>28088724
It is incredibly liberal. It all sounds great on paper and everyone who likes the propositions can get some great self-smug satisfaction for believing they're good whole hearted people but, it wouldn't work out
Can someone post the picture of the anime girl saying
"Jesus loves you anyways anon"
Also God let's us suffer because he is indifferent, or if you believe what my parents tried to teach me it's because all the suffering was planned out beginning to end by God and there is nothing you can do to change it
>>28088807
I'm one of the 5 religious people here you moron.
>>28088816
No it doesn't.
'earn' and 'deserve' are non-concepts to Him.
One does not 'earn' or 'deserve His love; it is given unconditionally and only needs to be accepted.
You are not Christian if you preach that people deserve to suffer, or that your behavior is righteous.
Christians are those that show humility for the most humble of actions
>>28088905
>indifferent
Reddit is where you should return.
>>28088843
You can't be sure of God's existence or lack of existence fedora tipper.
>>28088948
>tfw agnostic
truly the patrician belief system or lack thereof
>>28088928
God is a compulsive gambler who is placing bets on us in orgiastic frenzy while all the other gods of all the other belief systems place their own bets
You're god and you enjoy your pain.
>>28088715
I think the insistence invoking a creator emerges from our own ego. We feel like the universe owes us something, like we have some sort of divine purpose. Everything we create and do serves some sort of purpose.We extend that sense of purpose to ourselves, and to our place in the universe because that's all we really know how to do. We simply cannot fathom purposelessness.
>>28088668
Yeah you numfuck. Because if you believe matter requires a creator, then the creator will require a creator and on and on and on. Do you actually believe this?
>>28088928
>'earn' and 'deserve' are non-concepts to Him.
??????
he created those concepts. he is the universe's ultimate judge and moral authority. who if not god defines what they truly mean?
if there's anyone to whom these things are a non-concept, it's me.
>You are not Christian if you preach that people deserve to suffer, or that your behavior is righteous.
i preach that i personally deserve to suffer and that my behavior is categorically unacceptable to anyone, much less god. am i christian enough?
>>28088981
>agnostic meme
russell's teapot tbqhwyfamily
yeah there is nothing that disprove god's existence but he's untestable and nothing observed actually indicates that he exists to any meaningful degree. he's just an idea people thought up.
>>28089075
No, you are not. You devalue the Crucifixion.
>>28089069
>>28089088
Go back to Readit, positivist trash.
>>28089088
>calling *god a "he"
>>28089130
i devalue humanity's worth while putting the crucifixion on the highest pedestal. this is an important distinction.
We exist TO suffer. Don't you know the story of Eden? It's our punishment.
>>28089130
>Go back to Readit, positivist trash.
lmao what even is that, it's just common sense bro. God done exit get over yourself.
>>28089229
we suffer because of original sin, and Jesus died for our sins, so does that mean we shouldn't suffer anymore?
God exists, but not as most people think.
God made us in his image.
God made a copy of himself.
God made the self.The self is a subjective copy of the responses we receive from the world when we act as stimuli in a situation. We've created a copy of ourselves in our own image, therefore our subjective "ideal self" is god.
suffering > not existing
Why is everyone on r9k so uninformed about religion, yet so opinionated about it at the same time?
>>28089229
>>28089307
We need some theology 101 over here
Look at Epicurean theodicy, Irenean theodicy or St Augustine as some potential answers.I'm an atheist so I ignore all of these but if I were religious, Irenaus said some logical stuff
>>28088606
>Xer
What the fuck are you doing on 4chan you fucking kike?
>>28089307
suffering ends at the second coming
sit tight, He'll be back soon
>>28088668
>implying non-determinism
>imlying anything could've actually gotten differently
> If God meant to interfere in the degeneracy of mankind would he not have done so by now? Wolves cull themselves, man. What other creature could? And is the race of man not more predacious yet? The way of the world is to bloom and to flower and die but in the affairs of men there is no waning and the noon of his expression signals the onset of night. His spirit is exhausted at the peak of its achievement. His meridian is at once his darkening and the evening of his day. He loves games? Let him play for stakes. This you see here, these ruins wondered at by tribes of savages, do you not think that this will be again? Aye. And again. With other people, with other sons.
>>28088591
Because he's a dumb piece of shit.
Whether there is one or not, I like the gnostic viewpoint, also there's the fact the most influental people in human history have spoken of god in a sense of knowing, not specifically thinking or in uncertainty. The very same people are known to have somewhat possessed supernatural abilities (not hollywood tier supernatural).
Judaized religious sects or fundamentally similar ones are very inconsistent (God being good somehow even though suffering and lack of consent is a fundamental part in his creation) and therefore a man of reason cannot accept their preachings, in fact a man of reason would seek to wipe out such religions. Atheism is also inconsistent due to relying on empirical evidence which is ALWAYS subject to change through "new findings" or "recent research", also is based mainly on observation, not really on facts.
I prefer the Gnostic view and similar universalist religions or sects as they prove to be the most consistent by answering all the questions that are laid before them in a non-contradictory manner. They also separate "God" and "Creator", effectively rebelling against the creator (popularly called Demiurge, who would be Satan) and seeking to reunite with God, or to destroy the Demiurge's influence, sometimes both. They also say that Lucifer is God's messenger since he brought knowledge (gnosis) of good and evil to man, making man recognize the Creator for the scumbag he is, and these religions have often been persecuted by institutionalized Christianity and the likes who pray to "God, the Creator".
>>28089358
Dunning-Kreuger
>>28089402
He came back at the resurrection
If you do things right it's almost like you didn't do anything at all
>>28088894
You don't seem to be familiar with his material
>>28088591
>>28089578
OP when the man above does something that benefits us we almost never notice it. Eg a over the top example, say he stopped a meteor crashing on our planet this very second. We wouldnt ever know but his action saved us all.
However when bad things happen we think that he has forsaken us
>>28089377
>wasting time studying theology at all
why
>>28089645
why would he create scenarios that he has to prevent that's stupid ur dumb
>>28089645
god created everything
god created the meteor that was crashing towards us in the first place
god changes his mind and diverts it
god created cancer and AIDS
god created sickness
god created hell
but he's a good guy right
>>28089658
> wasting time studying anything at all
Most of history's greatest thinkers were theologians
>>28089681
yeah and it's too bad they wasted a lot of their time studying a meme subject like theology instead of something of merit. Being good at thinking don't mean much when all you think about it memes.
>>28089583
No I do understand it and Bill Hicks was way smarter than that segment that was linked
>Evil is the result of humans consciously turning away from god
>God gave us free will
>Evil is neccessary for existence of free will (if we could only do good then we wouldn't be truly free)
>We can't conceive a model of free will that doesn't let is do evil to each other
Here is the catch - since God is omnipotent, then he can easily create the system where we are free, but at the same time evil doesn't exist.
Therefore, God has made a conscious choice to let innocents suffer.
Chances are he's really evil.
>>28089708
>a meme subject like theology instead of something of merit
No underage on this board my friend, perhaps you would prefer /r/atheism?
>>28089730
Prove to me theology isn't pure unadulterated memery. It's the study of the paranormal lmao go back to /x/
>>28089768
So you're suggesting that we should never study any cultural beliefs because they're just paranormal? The greatest works of literature would never have been published if it were not for theological study.
Many of the video games your mum buys you wouldn't have been made if they didn't know about the norse Gods
>>28089821
No I'm saying we shouldn't study cultural beliefs because it's literally all about memes.
Play The Sims, then you will understand.
>>28089954
This is scarily accurate...
It starts out with you wanting the best for your Sim, but sooner or later you just want to fuck with them.
>>28089670
>>28089676
Implying its not the devil causing these bad things
>>28088591
god doesn't give a fuck
I have no 'stable' friends. I am constantly moving from one country to another. I never really do fit in help me.
>ask christfag why he believes something that's pretty obviously not true
>obfuscates with a bunch of theological and philosophical wanking instead of just admitting it's because "muh feels"
Because we were designed for greater things but our purpose was corrupted. We know too much for our own good. We ate off the tree and now this world has left a bitter taste in our mouths. We wish for more but cannot find it.
>>28088633
This is a lie. For just one day pretend to be a Christan for an experiment, tell people that you think abortion is murder, that homosexuality's is a sin. See how fast people will hate you. Following Christ will be the hardest thing you've ever done because if you really spoke what the Bible teaches they'd want to crucify you.
>>28090590
where in the bible does it say abortion is murder?
>>28090322
not even a religiousfag but why do you care?
>>28090623
why do you care that I care man that's one of life's greatest questions
