>med student
>get into conversation with some other student
>he says he has to study 24/7 but is managing perfect grades
>was quite impressed, asked him what he studies
>tells me "eIectricaI engineering"
>mfw
>wonder if he was being serious about his degree being hard
>turns out he was
>instantIy lose respect for him
I assume there's a few engineering students on here, so I'm actuaIIy curious. Do you guys actually think your degree is difficuIt or are you at the stage where you realise anyone could do it?
>>28086105
I think you have the wrong board, anon. We're all NEETs with lower-tier intelligence
>>28086105
>Nursing student at community college.
Fixed it for ya OP.
>>28086186
>my degree is so impressive people refuse to believe it
Such is life.
>person 1: he's an engineer
person 2: yeah, so?
>person 1: unironically
*everyone laughs*
>>28086105
>he says on a device made possible by electrical engineers,using internet made possible by engineers, uses telecoms devices made possible by EE's, uses phones, planes, cars, all made possible by engineers. Also don't forget electricity and power generation all made possible by engineers.
wew
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>>28086613
>he's able to type AT ALL because he's alive thanks to doctors
Where I am from mathematics and physics are considered harder than medicine.
>>28086641
Luckily the validity of a degree isn't based on your personal opinions lol
ITT: OP mentally masturbates on an anonymous Laotian skimshaw board
>>28086684
It's apparently based on yours though lol
>>28086640
>going to a doctor, ever
found the medcuck. i have never been to a doctor and have never been sick. nice try cuck.
>>28086715
>and have never been sick
But I'll assume you have been:
>vaccinated
>born in sterilized hospital to trained professionals
>not killed by polio, tetanus, Hep, Meningococcal, influ strains, Hib, etc
Thanks to doctors. But hey, when you have a heart attack one day be sure to call an engineer up.
>>28086684
It's not my personal opinion. It's the opinion of the people I talked to. I couldn't care less about what is harder or easier.
Usually physics and mathematics majors study 2-3 hours a day and class lasts 8 hours each day. There is a joke in our university that people studying those two subjects don't have a social life, which is actually true.
Physics and mathematics teach you how to solve and think about problems and concepts.
Medicine is mostly remembering/learning, but there is a lot to remember.
I will say that to get into medicine you are required far better grades than for physics or mathematics since not many people want to study this.
>Luckily the validity of a degree isn't based on your personal opinions lol
What is this even supposed to mean? You think your opinion is worth more?
>>28086715
>have never been to a doctor and have never been sick
not OP but probably the reason you havent been sick is thanks for preventative medicine founded by doctors
>>28086768
>It's the opinion of the people I talked to
Ooooh, so THEIR opinions are what everyone should go by lol
>>28086715
>ive never been ill therefore medicine is useless
youre making op look smart
Everyone things you're super cool and really smart OP. You're terrific and everyone thinks sofeel better OP?
>>28086807
Are you a troll?
You only respond with one sentence, insulting others and providing no argument for your claim.
>>28086105
It's been a while since you've mad this thread, isnt it? What are you now, an MS2?
>>28086807
To be fair, he said "considered harder" in his original post, in which case essentially the opinions of others is quite valid.
>Be me
>Be in high school
>Get all A's in AP classes and is viewed as a nerd god
>Still be an apathetic fuck
>Take dual degree in mech engineering and computer science
>Breeze through computer science because I've been programming since I was an edgy 12 year old
>Mechanical engineering is a tad harder but I get it done
>Get ez 60k/year job as soon as I graduate college thanks to this hermitbro who owns a company that he inherited. (I work as software dev)
>Enjoying life with tons of free time
I only wasted 4 years of my life and I am making a decent living with a ton of spare time. You on the other hand will waste 10+ years getting a stressfull job with ridiculous shifts and be in a ton of debt from the costs of your education. The faggots who think that think engineering is hard are dumber than you, but they're gonna have a far more enjoyable time than you.
>>28087059
I only went to school for 4 more years than you, I don't know where you got the 10+ from.
If you're counting residency as school, then please note that I'm at least getting paid 62k for it. After 2 more years I will be making 200k (average starting for my field in my area), while you will still be making 120 at most. I will be 29 by then.
>>28087119
And more money will make you happy?
>>28087138
The schedule is 7 days on, 7 days off. I will literally be saving people half of my time while having fuck tons of time to myself. Also totally a typo, I meant 290k (midwest lel)
Don't believe me? Look up hospitalist 7 on 7 off.
>>28086895
Yo bb, can I get into an American med school from Canada with a 3.72 GPA, a pharmacy degree with 800 hours of clinical experience, 160 hours of which was in a hospital, and solid ECs?
>>28086765
And hey when you need to design and build the facilities and tools needed for any of those medical advances to even be possible be sure to call a fucking doctor
>>28087165
I am not from USA, I am from europoor country.
The average paycheck for specialist (6 years to become a doctor + 4-7 years of specializing) is 3100 euro (you take home 1900 euro).
The average paycheck for a doctor doing his specialization is 2000 euro (you take home 1300 euro).
Minimun wage is around 800 euro (take home around 550 euro) and average paycheck is 1500 euro (take home 1000 euro).
My mother has a masters from physics and is currently taking home 1500 euro and her job doesn't require masters (she completed it 2 years ago and is now looking for a different job).
look at this stupid gradie with his superiority complex, thinking he's somehow better than other gradies! HA! Enjoy slaving away for mr.shekelstein when you get out of college, gradie.
i was doing biomedical engineering while i was working on my premed before i got into med school and i can say without a doubt in my mind that engineering is the harder subject and requires far more intelligence. unless you're planning on becoming a neurologist and doing lots of research (or cardiologist doing research or any domain doing research) then you're not going to do much else other than memorizes and learn how to diagnose people. this is especially true for those who go into psych or G.P.
>>28087242
Yes, assuming you have a good mcat
>>28087299
Do you know any that accept a decent number of Canadians?
>>28087242
>those ECs
If your MCAT is good then yes you can. You don't need a 4.0 for med school unless you're trying to go to Johns Hopkins as long as you have good ECs and volunteer experience.
>>28087315
Okay, cool, thanks. Know any which take a decent number of Canadians? I'm freaking out because according to the MSAR not many get in.
>>28087312
The problem isn't which school accepts the most Canadians. The problem is that you're an international student and you are going to pay a fuckton to go to an American medschool unless you somehow get a full ride.
>>28087347
Honestly i'm fine with that. I've saved up a lot from being a pharmacist and can do it in the summers. Mostly I just want to do something I like rather than this McDonalds tier stress monkey job.
Electrical Engineering major checking in
It's not hard imo, anyone with a solid background in maths and programming could easily adapt to it given they're willing to put in lots of work.
>>28087371
I don't know how much money you have saved, but the issue with international students at American schools is that usually they require you to put a fuckton into an escrow account because they want to be sure you can pay for it. Like the whole fucking tuition at once. Also it's incredibly hard for internationals to get loans.
Here is more information that you might find useful that kind of just reiterates what I said.
http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/medical-school-admissions-doctor/2015/02/10/keys-for-international-students-considering-us-medical-schools
>>28087409
Thanks, i'll check it out. It's either American or international and i'd much prefer American.
>>28086640
>he was born in a hospital building designed by engineers
>>28087436
Why are you opposed to Canadian med school? Despise socialized medicine that much?
>>28087460
Can't get in. The average is 87% in the province i'm in and out of province you need to get 5% higher than that. Unfortunately my GPA just isn't good enough and I don't htink my ECs make up for it. Hopefully they think having a pharmacy degree is a big deal, i'll apply but i'm not hopeful.
>>28087488
You still probably stand a better chance at getting into a Canadian school than an American one. You have to understand that there are many others just like you that actually have 3.9s and such that are applying for the same seat.
>>28087512
Canadian med schools are notoriously harder to get into than the average MD/DO school in the US. It's like trying just for top-tier US MD schools in terms of competitiveness.
>>28087534
Best of luck to you then.
>>28086105
getting a phd in EE is harder than finishing med school.
as long as you are good at memorizing you can get through med school.
engineering actually requires you to have an IQ
>>28087512
Wait, why did you say I could earlier if my MCAT was good? Canadian med schools accept maybe 10% of applicants while American ones accept ~50%.
>>28086105
most doctors I know were straight C students. I dont know why anyone would think it's any harder than other "difficult" degrees. those kinds of degrees are only hard for average intelligence normies.
>>28087575
Because you can. I just didn't know that Canadian schools were so selective.
>went to art school
>blitz through it in 3 years
>now doing a residency at a top tier gallery in my country that pays 2.4k a week in patronage
>numerous exhibitions planned in the later half of the year
>my job is literally me having the time of my life doing what I love
lmao STEMcucks
>>28086105
Medicine is just about memorization. You don't actually need to think, at all.
This is bair copypasta, the original incarnation was an art degree.
>tfw rich parents
>tfw never have to work my ass in school
>tfw just studying what I enjoy
>tfw gonna be the owner of my company in future
>>28087583
>straight C students
are you from india or something cause that doesn't add up
>>28086468
Youre missing the 5 years of residency at 40k, the scrambling to study for board exams, the pressure to maintain a certain grade for your residency placement, the fact that your 200k+ in debt, and how most of your co-students are actually pretentious nerds (like yourself).
Am disgruntled pgy2 orthopaedic surgeon. People who think medicine is some breeze make me sick.
>>28087595
Yeah, they're pretty nuts and it gets worse each year. I know someone who couldn't get into Dental school here but got a full ride to Columbia. Pray 5 me.
the only med student i know in real life is a decent looking roastie who gets sexually passed around my friend group
very low self esteem, very high suicide rates
i like that they're easy fucks though
>>28087665
btw, you can call my degree bullshit, but i essentially get to be an applied philosopher for a living, it's really quite nice
it's a very robot job too, one on ones rather than groups of normie faggots
>>28087599
>2.4k a week in patronage
>2.4k a week
Sorry you say that like it's a lot?
>>28087691
115.2k per year isn't chump change.
>>28087686
>Talking to people for a living
>Robot job
Pick one.
>>28087691
your and idiot
>>28087488
Its not all about grades, I got into Mac with a 3.8 and amazing EC's. Also did well on the MCAT and interview. And a lot of schools dont care what you major is in anymore, as long as you have the necessary prereqs
>>28087656
>People who think medicine is some breeze make me sick.
It's not a breeze. That's exactly the point I'm making.
Medicine is hard. If you want things easy then study engineering.
>>28087702
what do you think it is that you are doing right at this moment?
You're talking to people in their most revealed state, that's the glory of r9k that matches up with my work
>>28087699
>115.2k per year isn't chump change.
No offence but it will be to me. I've already got my internship and my starting salary is $115k pa too. That increases significantly when I do my residency and again when I become an attending.
>>28087727
yes, doctors make a lot of money.
115.2k/year is more than enough to live luxuriously.
i'm not even that guy and he's probably trolling.
>>28087656
I'm a premed and I know some med students, your 'woe-is-me' post is full of shit.
>at 40k
ranges 60-90k where I live, and some residencies are shorter than 5y
>the scrambling to study for board exams
ooh wow studying for exams related to what you've been doing at work all the time, how awful.
>the pressure to maintain a certain grade for your residency placement,
most MD schools are pass/fail. If you're talking US and Step1 scores, some residencies don't need high scores while a few competitive ones do, but you get tons of time to study for that test.
>the fact that your 200k+ in debt,
Let's be honest, there's a 50% chance a med student is from a rich family so it doesn't matter. On the other hand, most schools offer big scholarships (often full rides) for truly poor students. Regardless, an MD averages 10 mil over their lifespan so what's 200k + interest going to matter?
>most of your co-students are actually pretentious nerds (like yourself)
How can you be pretentious about it when MDs are literally going to save lives? That's not pretentiousness. Also, it's one of the most applicable and practical things you could study in life, so it doesn't really draw 'nerds' to it. True nerds don't even make it past the normie-test interviews and the extracurricular social requirements.
>>28086105
Lawfag with a B.A in History here. Someone kill me please.
>>28087713
Engineering isnt that easy either man. It takes a certain mindset to do either. If I gave my engineer buddy some patho questions - he'd fail.
If he gave me anything but undergrad calculus or biophysics/human kinetics - I'd fail.
>>28087727
That's just what I earn in residency. Exhibitions and selling prints give me quite a nice cash flow too, I've also been contacted by a few big firms to paint murals in their rec rooms.
Life is good.
>>28087750
You summed it up really fucking nicely.
>>28087750
>Pre med acting like they know everything and going as far as to say 50% of med students have rich parents and brushing off the debt like it's not a problem
This is why everyone hates you.
>>28087750
Im in Canada so your experience may vary. Also no longer premed but MD pgy2. Its not rainbows and sunshine; get that shit out of your head while you can or you wont make it very far.
>>28087775
>Life is good
It's good to get paid to do what you love. I'm in that boat too senpai.
>>28087784
He's not wrong about the "destitutefags get huge scholarships or full rides" part.
t. former destitutefag.
>>28087784
>brushing off the debt like it's not a problem
OP here. I don't live in Freedomistan. My overall debt for 7 years of med is $75k. I don't need to pay that off until I start earning.
But with my internship salary ($115k pa), I'll have it paid within the first few years comfortably.
>>28087758
Have any other clinical exp? How about leadership positions?
Whats your MCAT score (give me pre-2015 version score if you can).
>>28087830
Where in the world do they give interns a salary over 60k and how do I get there?
>>28087807
The only bad thing you've got going is residency b/c of the tough hours and pace. Once you're an attending you'll be pulling 300-400k minimum and paying back the debt in no time.
Also it's funny that you're in Canada because tuition is a lot cheaper than the US and interest rates on loans are a lot lower (something like 2.8%? kek). You literally have nothing to complain about.
It's funny that you think your attitude will do you more good than mine for anything though.
>>28087847
Australia. Average starting salary is between $85-120k coastal. Upwards of $150k pa rural.
Note this is AUD so $115k pa works out to be about 90k USD.
>>28086468
if it's a fact, then good for me that i didn't chose engineering
>>28087864
>a med intern earns just as much as a fulltime accountant in Australia
>>28087853
I feel bad for you kid, I really do. I honestly mean it when I say good luck in med school. I know with that cockiness you might actually have something going for you but shit - im not sure you know how everything works yet. Either that or your upper class. I wasnt, son of immigrant parents.
And yeah but I still have 3 years to go until Im an attending.
Being a med student is suffering, especially if you're not a full-fledged normie. It gets worse in clerkship, and then worse in residency, and then being an attending is the fucking point of it all but I'm only going to do that for a few years and then retire as a perma-NEET on 30k/yr from savings. Or maybe I'll get a chill part time job.
>>28087864
Still better than what Im paid...
>>28087891
Appreciate that an intern works about 90+ hours a week.
>>28086105
>living in eastern europoor shithole
>studying psychology in uni
>had to take a lot of psych subjects but also statistics and physiology.
>know people studying math, IT, biotechnology and medicine
>they dont do jack except medicine and biotech where they memorize a lot
>most of them cant write a single page paper or dont understand anything except their field which they memorized and a lot of ITs were lazy video gamers. Its not a rule though but they are not any better really as I have seen both, maybe its because Im in europoor shithole.
>mfw I will work minimum wage because its considered meme degree
>mfw I could do that statistics jobs or any job with databases, could do diagnostic, teaching, management, anything related to human resources and even without training could do some light therapy (you need 4 years of paid training and 2 years of work in psych related field to even apply).
>mfw I wont even get a psych. related job as they are non existent because its mostly nepotism field
I still dont regret it. I learnt a lot that I couldnt learn from regular books but I will have to live in poverty because of that.
Also its not true that hard sciences produce more capable people. The only capable people are those who care and study on their own, even if they are not in uni. That is not how the world works today though but there is no point in caring about efficiency if everyone is hiring based on nepotism so basically family and friends.
I enjoyed talking to people who are passionate about their subjects more than to elitists even if they studied history or literature. I also found out that engineers were better at practical logic than most of the meme STEM meds,chemists or mathematicians.
Wish me luck on my journey to becoming a travelling homeless philosopher.
>>28087903
I had quite a few robots in my class. They all went into pathology or radiology. Smart kids.
>>28087895
I know how it works, there are other docs in my family. You're in the darkest part of the tunnel right now and it's not unusual for a resident to start getting cynical about things, but the reality is being a doc is auto-top-1% lifestyle, earnings, and prestige. Being an orthopod is icing on the cake even.
I'm not worried about making it in or getting through. The amount of self-pitying and complaining that med students or residents do is laughable though. That sort of commiserating is meant to stay in the classrooms or between residents, not aired out to the laypublic as if you actually have it hard.
>>28087970
>>28087895
You guys are on a board about being DEPRESSED. ENOUGH OF THIS NORMIE SHIT FUCK YOU PREEDS AND MEDS
>women would rather literaIly die than date an engineer
>>28088004
but uh, tfw no qtp2t gf ;_;
>>28087891
And, point being?
>>28088041
she got cucked you mean,
He wouldn't put a ring on it
>>28086105
>mfw EECS major
COMPUTERS FOR THE COMPUTER GOD
>>28088004
When I see an outburst like this I know Im good from 4chan for a few hours.
>>28087970
Peace kid. Good luck in your studies.
I'm aiming for med school but if it turns out I can't into high grades, computer science is my fallback
>>28086105
Lawfag here. For me it's exactly the other way around. People claim that it's hard as fuck but in reality it's not. We have loads of time to do extra work for Uni or just actual work at a law firm.
>>28088188
How could law be hard? You literally just need to learn the laws/procedures and apply basic reasoning.
>>28086105
so you're friends with the institute, huh?
>>28088207
Yeah. In some countries the procedures and laws are so fragmented and there's so many of them that learning it all is a nightmare, but it's really not as bad as some people make it.
>>28088222
This is true. Also the difficulty varies between different unis. You can study some soft science but have harder time finishing than hard science. There are unis where you have to take 3-5 times more information because its soft science compared to hard sciences. Its really impossible to generalize and reduce it based by fields of study.
i hope OP isn't the same guy and some newfriend found this copypasta and decided to troll with it
kudos to the successful bait thread tho
Have fun killing yourself out of stress and depression.
Read "House of God"
>>28087575
I went to bed, someone else answered. Actually American schools do not view Canadians as international, Canada is the only exception
I failed my math and comp science class in my engineering studies is there any hope for me or am I just hopelessly stupid?
I want to start studying design management later this year, if that fails too I'm gonna kill myself. The idea of having to wake up early 5 days a week for a shitty job is worse than death
