Do you feel the BERN?
All the socialists who think that workers are exploited and should own the means of production make me laugh my ass off.
They literally cannot comprehend the fact that the business owner pays for the property, has invested an untold number of hours in research and development of the business, actively manages it, and so on, and somehow thinks that it isn't a fair trade for the employee to give their labor in return for compensation in this situation that the business owner has set up, giving the employee the opportunity to actually produce anything of value.
>>28066330
Good boy.
You'll be a millionaire someday too, I'm sure.
>>28066397
Already a quarter of the way there, doing a job I love, too.
You'd be amazed what a little hard work and financial responsibility can do. I remember being a socialist in my teens. I grew out of it though.
>>28066423
>hard work and financial responsibility
more like cheating and bullying
>>28066453
Yep, I cheated and bullied my way into a job I love by working hard in school, getting a scholarship, then paying the rest of my student debt off within five years of starting in the work force, then working my way up by impressing the higher ups with independent work and good pitches.
Lots of countries out there need anarchy, just not America, not right now. You can't turn a capitalist state into a socialist state in the length of one presidency without fucking up everything
>>28066477
Ok please go and be happy and successful somewhere
t. NEET who lives at home and thinks about killing himself every day
>Let's elect a socialist jew! What could possibly go wrong?
>>28066507
Just for the record- believing in socialism because you think people like me ought to give you free shit because you won't work as hard as I did is exactly what's wrong with this country. The welfare state has gotten out of hand.
>>28066477
And you most likely came from an upper-middle class background, right?
>>28066522
Checked em
Also
>who could manage a nation and finances better than a Jew
Cmon, they've been doing it for centuries. It's not like they'd have any more of a stranglehold on America.
>>28066549
Lower middle class, raised by a single father who made $50,000 a year.
>>28066477
And after all that, you still ended up on /r9k/.
I like some parts of socialism, but I also like nationalism. Why can't there be something that combines the socialism with the nationalism?
>>28066297
The God emperor will lead the way
>>28066488
What does anarchy have to do with this?
>>28066536
Hard work doesn't really correlate with wealth though.
>>28066536
Not OP famalam but the thing is why don't you go somewhere else and be successful and happy and shit and I'll stay here and fester.
You're right imo but I also don't care.
>>28066606
o shit wrong thread lol
>>28066606
>hard work doesn't correlate with wealth
As a guy who worked really hard to get here- yes it does. My brother is a lazy deadbeat who makes nil because he never worked hard at school or learning any skills. If you would actually work hard and learn a skill, you could use it to make a decent amount of money. It's simple economics. Skills produce value, value=money, the more skilled you are the more value you can output.
>>28066552
For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires!
They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race. If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty!
If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves!
>>28066622
Because I like it here, and I've been here for a very long time.
The fact you literally think it's okay to increase my taxes to 50% because you're too lazy to get a job or work hard in school is why I'm in this thread.
Legit Bernie supporter here. Ask me anything.
>>28066684
How much weed have you smoked today?
>>28066684
How much taller is your wife's son in comparison to you?
>>28066694
Bra, who needs weed when you can get high off of enlightenment?
>>28066684
Why don't you think syndicalism is superior when it is?
Is Bernie going to replace my sweaty fucking hands with some free robot hands?
>>28066650
>he actually fell for the capitalist pyramid scheme
If you're not at the very top or creating your own pyramid you're getting exploited and raped, fampai. The minimum wage should be doubled by now but the corporation's have campaigned and lobbied for decades go trick silly goys such as yourself.
I don't want another non-white president.
>>28066718
Because I like having technology.
>Bernie is for gun control
>Still has the gaul to call himself a socialist
Absolutely revisionist.
>>28066650
Why are there so many college graduates (with skills) without jobs?
>>28066756
Trump is for gun control too.
>>28066672
>increase my taxes to 50%
Even Sanders doesn't advocate this.
>>28066776
Yeah but Trump is clearly an authoritarian stooge and doesn't pretend otherwise.
>>28066728
You couldn't even explain a pyramid scheme if you tried.
See the post where I explained earlier- the business owner provides a building and a means for an employee to create value, and reaps the benefit of that value in return for the venue, the opportunity, and monetary compensation. Fair trade.
And don't give me that corporation nonsense because I don't like them either- they are a state created monster, receiving subsidies left and right and getting bailed out by the gov't if they fail.
>the minimum wage should be doubled by now
Yeah because money just comes from thin air and companies definitely wouldn't have to lay off any employees if they started having to pay them all twice as much as they're paying now.
The socialist's inability to understand even basic economics always makes me think of my 17 year old edgy days of being a militant socialist. I grew out of it thankfully.
>>28066756
gall
>>28066799
But I don't get as much money with Trump.
>>28066802
Companies are already laying off many employees, even though the US isn't that socialist. Explain that.
United Cucks of America
>>28066787
Sure pal. This is from his website.
>>28066771
Tough luck and a bad economy. Also has to do with the fact one third of all people in the US need a government certification to do their job, for no reason other than bureaucracy. The majority of economic problems are caused by state's interference. People on welfare also get $50,000 worth of benefits if they have more than one dependent for never working a day in their life. The state murders the economy.
>>28066833
Is that kid wearing a Hillary badge?
>>28066849
>This is from his website
Links?
>>28066802
>implying I'm a socialist
>implying you're not the economically ignorant one
Let me guess, goy. The money trickles down from our rich, job creating overlords? Give the poor a living wage and you'd see small business booming due to increased spending power and companies like Walmart losing power. And you clearly love the state created monster. You probably work for them, buy from them and vote in their pocket politicians. The American business cuck is truly a disgusting creature.
>>28066863
Lol I'm afraid so
Little anklebiter's got his priorities straight
>>28066771
1. State colleges are running a scam.
2. Women and niggers and spics are allowed jobs and even made up jobs to give to them
3. The conditions of the economy now makes it so that all who are not of friends of family in corporate bureaucracy will not get jobs. Bar none.
>>28066827
You're asking me to explain why companies lay off employees? Because some companies make bad decisions, spend too much on R and D, any number of factors which forces them to make cuts. What I'm saying is this would go up substantially if you force companies to pay their employees double what they're making now. Money doesn't come out of thin air, you know. If small errors in income can lead to lay offs now, imagine how out of whack things would be if their costs doubled. You can't have two employees making $7.25, then up the salary to $15 and expect to keep them both.
>>28066880
Hey, I'll start spending money on small businesses as soon as their product is worth the money I'm giving them.
>>28066849
>people on welfare also get $50,000 worth of benefits if they have more than one dependent
Abortions should be mandatory for the unmarried, and having children while already on welfare should be illegal too.
>one third of all people in the US need a government certification to do their job
Do you really think doctors, chefs, etc. shouldn't be government certified?
>socialism vs capitalism
I want the third option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCHBmGWcBc
>>28066900
You can if their boss has the money to do it and just chooses not to.
>>28066937
National socialism is socialism, it just buys into the hype that "socialist" is a dity word.
Props to Bernie for not taking it though, even if he isn't half the socialist GLR was.
>>28066880
Are you dumb? How does forcing small businesses to pay their employees double what they currently do give them a boom? That is a massive financial blow only huge companies could come close to absorbing, poindexter.
>you work for them
If I disagree I'm a shill, wonderful.
>>28066929
>Do you really think doctors, chefs, etc. shouldn't be government certified?
You know the government is not the be all end all in quality right? Doctors and chefs make up less than 5% of the employment pool anyways, I'm talking even janitors in many states need government certification. Why? Because they charge them fees. Big money for the gov't.
>>28066900
>You can't have two employees making $7.25, then up the salary to $15 and expect to keep them both.
That's true for small businesses, but I think huge corporations like McDonald's or Walmart could afford to raise their wages.
How come a higher minimum wage works in so many European countries?
>>28066981
>muh European countries
I'm a Bernie supporter. Ignore this shill.
>>28066937
Rockwell was just a capitalist who hated non-whites, he only supported National Socialism because he hated communism.
>>28066941
How can you argue that small businesses would thrive from this, then say that it only would work if there are extremely high earning and corrupt higher ups who could afford it?
Come on man.
Money can't be printed from nowhere. The top 10% already pay 76% of this country's taxes. I don't see why you think that is "not their fair share".
>>28066992
>a policy being successfully implemented in other countries isn't evidence that that policy has potential
>>28066981
How can you advocate small businesses, then say huge corporations ought to do it?
That just makes it so no one will work at small businesses because they can't afford them. This just puts all the big corporations into even closer to a monopoly. Even then, the assumption that these companies can just "afford it" because they make a lot of money is absurd. The issue is the costs need to be passed off on the customer. You know that even the top earner in Walmart doesn't make more than $100 million a year? And he pays 45% of that in taxes? The idea that these people are absurdly, absurdly rich and just hoarding all this money that the poor people should have is silly.
>>28067002
>How can you argue that small businesses would thrive from this
I never said this, but if a small business is already stable at their current wages, they wouldn't need to increase prices all that much to keep that stability, especially if other businesses are starting to do that too.
>>28066979
>he doesn't understand economics at all
You're a silly wagecuck, that's for sure. You see, you give poorfags money and they spend it quickly. You give richfags money and they spend almost none. Poorfags let money circulate quickly and give small businesses money because people can actually go out of their way to shop there now. The business can afford to pay the workers more because more people are spending money there. Economics aren't that hard.
>>28066999
Rockwell didn't hate non-whites, he just wanted them as far away from him as possible.
>>28067034
The Scandinavian countries being a socialist paradise is a myth. They all have a lower standard of living than the US, and have a higher economic freedom index than the US. High taxes are just about the only socialist phenomenon over there.
>>28067034
>it worked in a completely different country with different people under different circumstances, so it must work for us!
>>28067002
Because the poorest people still don't have healthcare, quality education, and legal representation, even though there is more than enough money for it.
>>28067053
>lower standard of living
Maybe for the upper class.
>>28067042
You're missing the point- no one will work for small businesses because they can't afford to employ nearly as many people at that rate as huge corporations- less employees means less customers, less customers means less money, means less employees, means small businesses are gone. Money does not come from nowhere.
>>28067047
You're basing that off a false assumption. Poor tend to cling to new money- this is a proven fact that we see time and time again throughout history. The top 1% is spends more money than poor people when you adjust for averages- this is easy, they more money to spend, so they are a bit more lax about spending it. This has been proven time and time again, and why tax cuts tend to bring periods of economic prosperity.
You're basing everything off of an ideal assumption- the typical socialist mindset.
>>28067060
It's still evidence that it's not a universally destructive idea.
>>28067053
>a lower standard of living than the us
Being chronically ill, too poor to afford education, losing your family, etc. is much less serious in Scandinavia. It's not just the Nordic countries either, even Cuba has better healthcare than the US.
>>28067111
>poor tend to cling to new money
Depends whether they're on welfare/drugs or not.
>>28067104
Do you not know what standard of living means? It takes into account all classes. The poor in Scandinavia do much worse because they get much less in welfare benefits, and are taxed much higher.
>>28067061
Just because some people have money and some don't does not mean the people who don't are entitled to it. That's the typical socialist assumption. It's like if I say I have $5, a socialist just assumes I ripped off somebody for it, when really I just mowed the lawn for my parents. It's not that hard man.
>>28066423
>>28066477
>>28066536
What do you do, anyway?
>>28066973
Socialism, at least as it exists today, is egalitarian and pays no attention to the importance of racial and ethnic differences. You can't have a healthy society where the people actually feel a genuine sense of kinship with each other if they're all from different races and the whole country looks like the fucking Star Wars cantina.
When everyone in your nation is similar to you and you have a connection with them then you don't mind paying a bit more in taxes in order to help these people out. All of the economic autism that people obsess over is meaningless if society is barely held together because everyone is so different that they're constantly at each other's throats. Even the best form of government would be failing if it had to deal with the atomized communities and the escalating racial tensions throughout the US.
>>28067111
You keep implying that small businesses won't be able to hire these employees that they already have, but if they can't afford to pay them when the minimum wage increases, their business model is flawed and will fail eventually anyway. Most small businesses will be still probably be able to pay their workers a fair wage.
>>28067142
I'm an escort for the rich and famous
>>28067142
You're not going to believe me- studied Comp science with a minor in game design, started as a programmer, moved up slowly to a comfortable game design position. In a few years I should make senior game design, which is where some of the best money in video games is made.
>>28067139
Most socialists don't advocate taking money from the little guy, that's the anti-socialist assumption.
It's redistributing money from the people who make massive amounts of it without necessarily doing that much work.
>>28067149
Saying that a business model is flawed because a company can't afford to double its employees' pay (by far the highest cost of a company) is comical. You're not basing your assumptions of anything but hope and an unrealistic ideal.
>>28067169
Got any evidence for that?
>>28067182
Which is exactly what you're basing your "they won't be able to hire employees!" principle on. The fact is, nobody wants their product or service. It's a flawed business.
>>28067177
You're assuming CEO's don't do much work.
You know that you can literally be sued for everything your worth, and GO TO PRISON, if you don't do everything in your power to run the company the best? Literally, if you are corrupt, or make decisions that hurt the company's good will (public reputation) or the company at all to try and gain your own economic benefit, you will be imprisoned and lose your job, never get hired again. CEO's get paid a lot because their job is incredibly demanding and incredibly high risk.
>>28067187
I would post the card I scan to get into the office but my NDA prevents even that- if they find out you posted anything relating to internal affairs in any way, you will never work in this industry again. Look up what happened to the guy from Treehouse who did a podcast interview. Ruined his life.
None of this will work.
Social collapse and balkanization is the future.
>>28067244
>you're assuming ceos don't do much work.
It's not just CEOs, it's high-level Wall Street people who just move money around without actually doing anything.
>>28067244
Maybe even a paystub.
>>28067218
What you're saying makes no sense. It's not about hiring employees, it's about keeping their current ones. You can't just double your the costs of your business (usually 40-50% of income goes to employees) and expect that business to stay in business. You can't pay 100% of your income to employees, because then you have no money to own the property, to pay yourself, to research and develop, to hire any new employees ever, and so on. It's not a flawed business model, it's how business works. You're literally saying everything but the Walmart massive corporation business model is flawed.
>>28066569
50,000? luxury at its finest
>>28067287
What you're saying is not an argument and makes no sense- they're called investors, and they're a critical part of businesses. Once again, money doesn't come from nowhere.
>>28067295
I literally can't man, it's in the NDA. It's the same reason why a game testers, even years after testing a game, cannot talk about it, or even what they are paid. I won't risk losing my dream job to prove it to some dudes on 4chan.
>>28067297
Dude, I've haggled with small businesses who offered to pay me double what their initial offer was because I called them out on their BS before. I've seen countless small businesses that are paying their employees the least they can get away with, keep the money to themselves and call it "good business."
>>28067339
Lower middle class is luxury at its finest when it's a single father paying for three kids?
>>28067348
Again, anecdotal evidence means nothing. You can look up anything I've said and find it to be statistically and fundamentally true. I could say I've haggled with small business owners who were already struggling to pay their employees, it doesn't mean anything.
>>28067389
You've given me no evidence that the typical small business owner would not be able to pay for their employees with a good product and good business plan with already stable business.
I need to take off now anons, off to the gym. If you are actually open minded and care about facts, not just a brainwashed socialist taxcow, give this a listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Yp1jUtcX8
Maybe you will realize some of the flaws in the ideal you subscribe yourselves to.
I'll be voting for him on Tuesday, but it probably won't make a difference.
>>28067169
It's really not a kind of "hard work" you should brag about to defend capitalism, since it so well falls into just-world stupidity people like you religiously believe in. How about your average Joe with no innate skills? How will he "hard work" his way out of wage slavery?
>>28067357
Unless your mother died, he shouldn't have had three kids with a crazy bitch who would leave.
>>28067435
>allegedly was a socialist
>Stefan "It just works" Molyneux changed his views
You were a pretty dumb socialist then.
> communism
> bernie
Hes barely even left. USA is so far right that public roads is considered socialism
>>28067561
Couldve had Bernie for prez and now Hillary is ensure the post.
Another win for the 1%
>>28066330
>What is inherited wealth
>What is daddy handing you a job high up in his company
>What is rental income
>What is being a CEO who didn't build the company
Fucking retard. Gas yourself you piece of shit
