Name one thing wrong with feminism. Protip:
you can't
short answer: everything
>>28047831
Hasn't fully openly embraced marxist socialist ideals.
Convert all men into eunuchs when?
>>28047831
It hinges on the false notion that women aren't inferior
This is not actually a problem with the ideology, but if you embrace the label feminist as a male and involve yourself in feminist activism you will be continually apologizing for yourself, hearing you need to listen instead of speak, and admitting you benefit from oppressing others, especially if you are white. You will become a self deprecating faggot who spends a significant amount of time thinking about microaggressions. You will avoid saying certain things that perpetuate power structures or hurt people's feelings and you will be alienated from people do say problematic things, leading you to resent many of your family members or previous friends. If you are expressive at all about your views people will avoid talking to you, especially about politics. You will wind up hanging out with a ton of people who define their sexualities with neologisms, dye their hair unnatural colors, and cover themselves in body modifications.
And at the end of it feminist women will avoid you because they'll think you're just pretending to be a feminist to get laid. Eventually, you will assert that sexuality is socially constructed and become bisexual out of desperation.
>>28047831
I know this is bait but I'll bite.
There is no need for it today in 21st century western society. Women already have all the rights a man as.
>inb4 muh wage gap.
It appeals to the lowest common denonimator, which basically means that it's not complicated enough to be well developed and thought out.
>>28047831
Clumps every male into the same negative category, bitch don't know me
>>28047831
Bunch of shit that blame men for all their problem.
>>28047831
>Name one thing wrong with feminism. Protip:
>you can't
Only one thing ? Shit, I can't
>>28047910
Not men, just the 80% of subhumans that pretend to be men.
women
asdfoc
Here you go OP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiESisEL43c
/thread
>>28048224
Hmm seems a bit heretical 2 bee quite honest with u phann
>>28048224
I'm fairly sure that more than 20% of subhumans are female. In fact I'd say that there are more female subhumans than male ones at least in the west.
Men generally has it worse than women and feminists barely acknowledge that, and they certainly don't to anything about it
>>28048261
Milo always gave me an impression that besides repeating the same right-wing mantras and slamming on lowest common denominator of progressive movemets he can barely say anything himself. I remember when he was on Joe Rogan podcast and he couldn't even explain why he's a catholic.
>>28048140
what about in other countries?
>>28048159
You're clumping every feminist into the same negative category
>>28049240
>barely acknowledge
No, they don't acknowledge it at all, they deny it.
Western women are literally the luckiest people on earth and they act like it's the worst thing to be.
>>28049240
generally yes, but I do think there are a lot of issues women go through men dont
but even so feminism isn't doing a good job at fixing them
>>28047831
It's wrecked modern society by throwing gender roles into disarray
>>28047831
feminist capital of the world sweden is rape capital of europe and it has been predicted that sweden will be a third world something like 2050 not to mention that native swedes will be a miniority.
also making bia's laws see manspreading in NY.
also intersectionality
Race baiting
gender baiting
>>28049951
>There is no need for it today in 21st century western society. Women already have all the rights a man as.
>There is no need for it today in 21st century western society.
>western society.
>>28047831
Nothing is wrong with classic feminism (pre 1970) modern feminism (1970-2016) is the problem
>>28050804
>feminist capital of the world sweden is rape capital of europe and it has been predicted that sweden will be a third world something like 2050 not to mention that native swedes will be a miniority.
[citation needed]
>>28048115
This is exactly what happened to me. I tried to convince myself that I was gay... Feminism ruined me in highschool.
There isnt anything wrong with actual feminism which strives to provide equal chances and rights for women. There isnt anything right about tumblr and SJW feminism which strives to reduce men to slaves of women.
>>28047831
As an ideology it seeks to turn women into men, which is fundementally impossible. Equal before the law has already been achieved more or less but that's not enough for feminists. They want women to be men, and that's just sad.
Not only that, but it's not attractive. I am not attracted to men, and if I was I'd just want to fuck a man I'd find one. Women should not be ashamed of who they are, and should respect the things that make men and women different. We're meant to be partners, not competitors.
>>28047910
>Not being a Marxist feminist.
Laddie please.
>>28048140
You're forgetting the way each gender is treated, how the media portrays them, etc. Watch Miss Represented, should be on Netflix for the basics.
Or forcing boys not to cry, etc. Happens all the time, feminism aims to end this kind of unecessary gender norming.
>>28048190
False, blames a system of power, which men tend to be in charge of.
>>28049240
They don't, but feminists are still in favor of ending suffering for both genders. They want boys to be able to express their emotions and to end toxic masculinity which helps both genders thrive.
All the feminists I know personally are against circumcision, but they do not make it the focus because there are larger social forces that cause this kind of stuff, and that is what they attack.
>>28050098
Nothing to deny anon, men have it easier in many important ways, and in others have it harder, but to assume they have it super easy is stupid. Talk to women, ask them what life is like. Open your mind.
>>28050804
Scandinavian countries are all very feminist, and actually have the lowest levels of crime and incarceration. Don't lie.
>>28051673
>Start with false assumption
>entire argument is invalid
>>28049951
>implying feminists care about anything happening in other countries
>>28051779
>You're forgetting the way each gender is treated
Elaborate, I live in the fucking south and men and women are treated pretty equal here.
>how the media portrays them
If this is your biggest problem then there really is no need for feminism.
>>28051779
>False, blames a system of power, which men tend to be in charge of.
Great another one with a victim complex. No one care. Move on with your life.
>>28051799
What's wrong with my assertion? How do feminists judge equality? By what men are doing.
To be a true woman you need to
>get a higher education
>find a 9 to 5 job
>work more, have a career
>do every hobby a man does, but better
>keep working
Women who would rather stay home and raise children are demonized. That is not the push. If I had a nickel for every time some girl who figured out how to play middle school lacrosse was lauded as playing 'just like' the boys I'd be rich. Not to mention there's a push for women to be free to walk around topless and have sex with whoever they want without consequences.
I'm not sure where I see the feminity in any of that. Feminists are jealous of men and wish they were at some level men. Without realizing how hard it can be, we can do it mostly because it's hard wired into us but it's not some 24/7 amusement park ride feminists make it out to be.
>>28048115
Lol this is one of the dumbest things I've read on the internet ever, and I'm 33.
>tfw no original content to post
I am a robot.
>>28051913
It was true except for the last part about becoming bisexual. That must have been an individual experience. But yeah, it's not an easy road for male feminists. You're embracing an ideology that makes you want to hate yourself.
>>28051840
Boys and girls, each have boy and girl toys. Parents talk about girls physical appearance more and for boys it's about strength or science. Cartoons show similar things, films as well.
This colors the way in which they percieve themselves and the world, limiting their potential and putting them into gender roles which society wants. Rather than what they might truly want. Hence why they also wear different clothing, girls wear makeup, etc. Its all part of it.
That's a huge problem, hence the need for femnism. Also sexual violence and catcalling. In the south men act aggressively towards other men because that is masculine, but the shit is just harmful and an outcome of this kind of socialization.
Men grow up and can't even open up to other men because they fear being a "pussy".
>>28051846
Not an argument kiddo, try again.
>>28051886
No. That's wrong. There is no such standard. Rather the aim is to ensure that gender is not a deteriment of your life's potential. Since what it means to be a man is also a social construct, femnism would not aim to make a girl a boy. That is a meaningless tautology. They want to raise people, not boys or girls.
Any idea how to brand feminism as hate speech ?
>>28047831
I have no problem with feminism - Other then the feminists who think they are superior to males. Some bash male rights because of privilege. That is wrong.
Feminists who fight for equal rights for all genders are the only feminists that i can respect.
>>28047910
You don't know what Marxism is.
>>28047831
It's not about equal rights.
>>28051990
>playing faggot games against professional faggots
Don't bother, you already lost
>>28051975
>social construct
I disagree. You may ignore what makes you a woman (or whatever you are) but you can't tell me what I feel as being a man is just because someone told me to feel. These gender roles have endured for a reason and are there for a reason.
Let me simply ask you a question. Sexual dimorphism occurs in animals for a reason yes? Did men evolve to be better able to hunt mammoths? Did women evolve better to breastfeed babies? (Men can produce milk with enough effort by the way). Are you going to say these evolutionary traits have no implications in the modern world?
>>28052069
lol don't play against the pros man
>>28052152
This feminist trying to womansplain to us what it means to be a man, amirite? As if they know the first thing about our lived experiences.
>>28047831
Take 20 people, 10 of them have jobs with a low salary, 10 of them have jobs with a high salary.
Make two randomized groups of 10.
Group A has more people with low paid jobs in it than group B therefore has a lower average salary than group B.
Feminist logic: group B is actually oppressing group A, which explains why this happens.
>>28051975
>Boys and girls, each have boy and girl toys. Parents talk about girls physical appearance more and for boys it's about strength or science. Cartoons show similar things, films as well.
This colors the way in which they percieve themselves and the world, limiting their potential and putting them into gender roles which society wants. Rather than what they might truly want. Hence why they also wear different clothing, girls wear makeup, etc. Its all part of it.
No one is forcing you to do anything though, if you want to wear dude cloths enjoy sports instead of girly shit you're free to. This doesn't signify a need for feminism.
>Also sexual violence and catcalling.
There is no rape culture, men are not all out to get you. You've been brainwashed to believe a narrative that all men want to rape you which is completely ridiculous and makes you look paranoid and crazy.
>Men grow up and can't even open up to other men because they fear being a "pussy".
Yeah I can really tell you're not a guy, since you have such a warped view of them. Men open up to each other all the time thisi isn't uncommon, and normally guys with the "fuck feelings i'm a tough guy" attitude are looked at as dicks.
>>28052194
>>28052152
Meant for you, lost a 2 somewhere in there for whatever reason.
>>28051975
Oh it's this retard again. You are literally a Christian hating 16 year old leftist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVaTc15plVs
On the first day of a child's life life boys are more interested in images of systems while girls are more interested in images of people.
>>28051975
>Boys and girls, each have boy and girl toys. ... blah blah blah
And yet when they give juvenile chimpanzees dolls and cars the girls choose dolls to play with and the boys choose the things with wheels.
>>28052236
I deleted my last post because I fucked up when quoting and thought I would add more on to it.
>>28047831
>Name one thing wrong with feminism. Protip:
you can't
Bullshit
Of course there had to be ONE cancerous individual who happens to actually be part of the bullshit that is the 3rd wave of feminism. Get your sorry ass over to Sweden and die there
>>28052123
Tradition does not mean truth. Many early humans were egalitarian hunter gatherers.
Of course I can agree that their are ohtical differences, what I'm saying is our culture is now the primary determine of those roles. There is no reason a man cannot be nurturing. We don't hunt mammoths, we live in modernity, where culture is the primary means of our way of thinking.
The implications are minuscule, it's almost entirely cultural.
>>28052225
Go to your southern town and dress up like a girl, better yet hold a man's hand and kiss him in public, do this for a while. You will be harassed often, if not violently.
That's why we need feminism.
>rape culture
>calls me brainwashed
>Strawman argument
I said none of this. If you are denying that women are ROUTINELY harassed in public, you're in serious denial. Talk to women.
I once followed by girlfriend about 20 feet back, within an hour a couple guys were daying shit to her that she did not want.
Happens literally all the time.
I'm a man actually, but nice assumption on your behalf. Men generally have a much harder time with intimacy, that's well researched empirically, and the anecdotal evidence is literally everywhere if you just observe.
>>28052239
>Nope
>verbal attack
>thinks he wins
Listen champ, you really gotta try harder here.
>>28052244
>juvenile
>thinks socialization hasn't taken place
>>28051975
>Boys and girls, each have boy and girl toys
Yet children choose the toys that they like, not their parents. You're telling us that without society's influence around half of the boys would choose girl toys and half of the girls would pick boy toys to play with ? You can't be serious, try biology.
>Parents talk about girls physical appearance more and for boys it's about strength or science.
Anecdotal, you have no evidence for this.
>sexual violence
Examples ?
>catcalling
The only example is catcalling. Anecdotal and also my personal experience tells me it almost never happens, it's not part of the "rape culture" like rape itself is not part of it because a few isolated cases which are frowned upon by society can't form a culture.
Try bringing real arguments next time instead of these pseudo-intellectual platitudes and exaggerations.
>>28047831
Feminism isn't the only moral cause in the world.
Taxpayers are asked to pay for women's contraceptives yet there are still homeless people everywhere. In what planet is Stacy's need for contraceptives more important than getting some elderly man off the streets where he could freeze to death? We should be getting tents and hot meals for them like Europe did for the refugees then try to solve dozens of more pressing problems before we even think about some meme cause like free contraceptives.
Your moral compass is completely out of whack with reality, you even betray even your own values which to you are obviously just an excuse and not really the core of what you believe in. You are nowhere near as morally righteous as you think you are and it is the same with most other liberals.
How nebulous it is. You can call literally anything feminism, or alternately nothing.
>>28052432
Just because we as genders can do anything within reason (though try getting a woman to box a man in a professional environment and the man will 99% of the time win) doesn't make the implications minuscule.
No. It has everything to do with culture. It's about what makes us happy. Feminists are telling women to abandon what they're best at and trying to make them want to be like men. And trying in a less degree to tell men to be more like women. But neither of these make either sex happy.
As a man I am programmed to be needed. It is not something I can explain it simply is who I am. I live to work, to fight, to die if need be for the good of others. This is the beating heart of masculinity and to pretend otherwise is just sad. I won't presume what is the heart of femininity because I'm not a woman but I know my own gender.
That's why men like (insomuch as we feel complete as human beings) to work and suffer. We live to have mates and provide for them, respect for our sacrifice is also what we need. When women try and fill these shoes they crumble because they lack this evolutionary adaptation. That's why women are starting to commit suicide at higher levels. They can't handle this pressure.
>>28052432
>I said none of this. If you are denying that women are ROUTINELY harassed in public, you're in serious denial. Talk to women.
Define harassment, because giving complements to a women walking by is not harassment. Women want to look good they want to be noticed it makes all there efforts of doing their hair, putting on makeup and putting on the right cloths worth it.
>I said none of this.
You're basically implying it, if you felt there wasn't some sort of culture around it you would of had no need to take part in a political movement like feminism. If you didn't feel there was some sort of cultural standpoint behind it there would be no need for feminism.
>>28051531
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
there you go. Citation.
>>28051673
i like your thinking. Going together as partners.
>>28052432
>If you are denying that women are ROUTINELY harassed in public, you're in serious denial.
>If you are denying that women are NEVER harassed in public, you're in serious denial.
Anecdotal, you have no evidence for your claims. None of your arguments have any whatsoever.
>>28052478
Why do you think they like them?
The evidence is in literally how people parent, and the sociological data, as well as thousands of personal accounts.
Like sexual assualt and rape, look at the stats, women suffer more.
Catcalling happens all the time, you are in denial mate.
I told you already, talk to women, open your mind.
>>28052542
Said none of this. No reason a man wouldn't be happy being a stay at home dad unless we had a culture that found this odd for w.e reasons.
No one is saying anyone should be anything. What I am saying is that there are already many forces that unecessary push people into roles.
Yes, you are programmed, by a patriarchal culture. And the outcome is you.
>>28052617
Telling people what to do, engaging them when they don't want to be enhaged, calling them birches when they don't respond.
Happens all the time, talk to women, read articles, watch the videos.
I implied nothing, I won't even respond to your strawman.
>>28052748
Do some research, talk to women. That simple. I'm not walking you through this. You want to know the truth then pursue it. You want to be a snide schmuck for the rest of your life, your loss.
>>28052682
none of that is even true
top kek
>>28052762
>Telling people what to do, engaging them when they don't want to be engaged, calling them birches when they don't respond.
I never see any of this in person, anywhere when I see attractive girls walking around with guys near them, the worst I see is the guys will glance at them.
> watch the videos.
You mean like that video where they only got 2 min of footage from walking around the city for hours.
>I implied nothing, I won't even respond to your strawman.
You won't respond because you know I'm right, its not a strawman when I had a legitimate question for you. Which was, if you don't believe that harassment is something cultural ie rape culture then why even bring it up as to why need a political movement like feminism. If feminism is a political and cultural movement then obviously the things you want to fix are going to be politically and cultural right? So if you didn't think that it wasn't cultural it would be no different than saying "I want to stop murder"
Man nature is obviously different from woman's
>>28052432
>>juvenile
>>thinks socialization hasn't taken place
Thinks chimpanzees read tmblr
>>28052860
noone ob it tru, I no kause em femenist. Mate, it has been documented in multiple cases that Sweden is getting raped. Just do a short little google search and there are multiple sources available. You can live in your rinky dink world of "waah I want more pay for less work" or you could actually wake up and legitimately look at the world. We've got bigger problems than a perceived issue with social roles, aka global warming, mass extinction, civil wars, starvation, etc. Feminists make me sad because they want their problem solved and they want it now. We are killing the planet, when we stop doing that maybe we can all sit together and have a talk about an assumed inequity.
>>28052762
A stay at home dad can be happy, sure, but I'm talking about general trends. Not to mention stay at home dad's are pretty rare anyway. The question of how to best raise children is a whole different problem.
Feminism is ultimately a oppresive force, a tool of corporations and government to break down the bonds of men and women. Telling women that they're only happy working, and to not trust their spouses and get their own. It's a force for consumerism. Don't raise your kids, pay a daycare. Don't trust your man to make money, make your own (and spend!).
As I said originally. The goal of feminism is to make men and women competitors in life and not partners working to a common goal in symbiosis. Making women define themselves by what they have (a degree, the latest cars, lots of money) and not what they are (mothers, loving wives, parts of a community )
>>28053089
literally 1984esque. Thanks for this post anon.
>communism
>believe your community is better than all else
>racism
>believe your race is better than all else
>fascism
>believe your state is better than all else
>feminism
>>28047831
Has the root word fem which implies female/woman but the definition says that it is a movement for equality. Simple error in linguistics. Nice bait though.
>>28049616
He's hilarious when he shuts down idiots. His own opinions are kind of ridiculous though.
>>28052780
You're an annoying faggot
>Women have far less violence practiced against them
>Die later
>Have all sorts of special protection layered over them
>Female circumscion is barbaric, male cirumscion is meh
>Women blow men the fuck out in terms of number of uni graduates
DID patriarchies exist? Yes.
DID women used to be unjustly deprived of a say in government even in western countries until just a hundred years ago? Yes.
Is feminism anything other than the MAJORITY of the electorate BULLYING the minority (for men are the minority) with the minorities assent because cultural standards of "Let the girl have her way" have proved enduring. No.
Fuck the fuck off you fucking faggot. It fucking AMAZES ME that the single most PRIVILEDGED GROUP IN HUMAN HISTORY, white western female can ACTUALLY perceive themselves as oppressed.
Sources = my truth-spitting dick as a Hist Major from a red brick.
>>28052912
So you think because you haven't seen it, it doesn't exist. Among millions of people, your one anecdote is king huh? Try listening to other people.
Sure, 2 minutes of dozens of men harassing just one women. Pretty good evidence. Now multiply that across the country, and all the women and you might start to see the problem.
>>28053089
Feminism doesn't tell women what to do, you're still missing the point. It gets people to see that their behavior is controlled by a specific kind of cultural system. Women can work or stay at home, they should be able to freely choose either. That's the goal of feminism.
>>28053739
>being this buttblasted
>Not understanding even the basics
Wew laddie
>>28053753
Not the guy you're talking to but you keep coming back to
>zomg the women got der wofl whistle at her
>Waaaaaaahhh
>wolfwhistle is like being shot in pelvis!
>worst thing EVAR
R u having a fucking laff mate? What. in the fuck. Does a wolf whistle fucking mean? I've walked down a street and just been fucking BEATEN for no reason.
How many videos are there of a woman walking down the street and getting fucking beaten are there? How many women have just been - becase I fucking KNOW you're going there - walking down the street and got raped?
Tiny. Fucking. Numbers.
Do the reading you fucking cunt. It practically never happens. Ergo, all those wolf whistles (all 5-6 of them in that video that took place in a crowded, notoriously rowdy city, at a particularly attractive woman, walking through some of the most crowded streets on the face of the fucking earth) mean fuck all.
Kill yourself.
>>28053778
Less than 8% of women are now comfortable describing themselves as feminist
>phew lad
>thought you were fucking cool for a while
>even the grapsing fucking harpies have realized it's a ded end
>FEW DLAD.jppgpg!!!???
Twat.
>>28053825
>pretending women don't get Sexually assualted on the street
>tiny
>Not actually tiny, huge, look through BLS and other government reporting data, maybe you English people also collect statistics, do some research
>tells me to kill self
Matey, I know England is just a generally shitty place to be a human, but do try to be a bit civil, that is what you gits are good at isn't it?
>>28053862
>thinks women can't be sexist or ingrained into patriarchal ideologies
Laddie, you forgot to learn critically.
You actually think knowledge is a system of consensus.
>being this thick
>2916
>the year of our mother
>>28051779
>Nothing to deny anon, men have it easier in many important ways, and in others have it harder, but to assume they have it super easy is stupid. Talk to women, ask them what life is like. Open your mind.
Every fucking issue women have is talked about ad nauseum by politicians, media, feminist, universities, pretty much anyone. Any issue men have is ignored. Give me one example of a law passed that was done to address an inbalance in favour of women.
The only thing I can mention is how it's not gonna achieve equal rights because it only focuses on one half of the issues.
I can say plenty of things that are wrong with the people who endorse feminism. They either do it because it's politically popular or because they think they, as a group, are doing anything useful with their resources.
It's as retarded as EU immigration policy. If the EU actually cared UNHCR's refugee finance would be met several times over. Here's an example, what our anti-immigration party (SD) thinks we should do with our (Swedens) immigration focused money:
>- The total cost only for the reception of asylum in Sweden in 2015 amounted to 27 billion, according to the Migration Board. It may be related to UNHCR's total budget amounts to about 37 billion for the same year, but that the UNHCR with this money could help 39 million needy people worldwide.
So yeah. That's what the feminists/antifascists are opposing here.
If you actually think these movements do any good for the world. Reconsider, please.
If you actually support their actions because you're aware of the consequences you're probably going to hell or whatever you believe.
It's not like our politicians aren't aware here. It's that these movements make the sensible choices harder to promote because it opens them up to attack. During the election there were tons of attacks against SD, they had these policies back then too. They said it in the media but these groups don't listen.
Same with our media. They don't even mention UNHCR's work because it'd support SD.
>so SD ruined it. If they hadn't become a party the situation would be just fine
No. I'm not sure what the others agenda is. But this has been an issue for a very long time now. Since Afghanistan. It's difficult to imagine what the reason behind this is.
I've honestly considered if /pol/ is the socially progressive group in this issue compared to the progressives.
They just don't care who they harm.
>>28053893
>Happy person
>Resorting to nationalistic stereotyping.
What really makes me fucking sick about people like you, as you pat yourself on the back about how great you are, is that you actually possess lots of other failings; such as the casual fucking "hmph, my country is inherently superior of course" which is the root origin of two world wars.
Kill yourself. I'm dead fucking serious. Die.
I'd prefer an out-and-out female supremicist or a nationalist than someone who wants to have his moral cake, eat it, shit it out into my mouth and tell me that's it's extra frosting.
>>28053893
>CITE
>YOUR
>NUMBERS
>OR
>DO
>NOT
>EXPECT
>OTHERS
>TO
>DO
>SO
>YOU
>CUNT
>>28053941
So yeah. I may not be that focused on the feminist issues. But I doubt that given how these groups intersect they're actually favoring women in some form.
I guess the one thing I've seen is their misquotes about the wage gap. Even here where the raw wage gap is 13.2% they're using that number instead of the adjusted one that points to ~5%.
So clearly if they're gonna bring the wage gap down from 13.2 to 0 they will create 5% less inequality but it will be favoring fields that aren't as well paid. And well paid/highly educated fields are generally the most useful ones.
So yeah they're probably just as awful.
Neo feminism (which is what we see today), not actual feminism is an epi-eugenics plan to destroy the family and create a sex war. Woman should be equal to men I think everyone can agree with that but they are not the same and should respect the differences. Historically the woman role is a nurturer not necessarily the primary provider of the family.
>>28053753
>it's just about being free to do what women want guys
See and I think you're being disingenuous here. Because women were staying at home and working at one point. And funny but at the heights of the pretend patriarchy they were working too. And now the move is for them to work, so surely you and other feminists must think one choice is better than the other right?
Are women better working or staying at home? Which would you prefer they choose? Why do you think so many women now work instead of stay home? Do you think society encourages women to work or stay home more?
>>28047831
It's pretentious
>as if any race or gender had any right to do as well or better than another
if you think you deserve something, earn it, bitching about it just proves you don't deserve it
>>28051975
>Men grow up and can't even open up to other men because they fear being a "pussy".
lmao this is so wrong. Men are the only people I have ever felt comfortable opening up to, women are basically a different species that can't relate to me. It's shit like this that makes me realize feminists are full of shit, they consider everything from only one point of view and assume things about the other point of view but don't actually put themselves in that perspective.
>This colors the way in which they percieve themselves and the world, limiting their potential and putting them into gender roles which society wants. Rather than what they might truly want.
Gender roles have never been what makes me feel miserable. What makes me miserable is how depressing society itself is, not because I want to be a fashion designer but feel I can't or some shit like that. I'm not surprised that women think this is how men view the world.
Pretty sick of how little attention good solutions are getting.
Feminism is driving narrative over facts. Making things worse.
>>28053941
>They just don't care who they harm.
Exactly
>>28054281
>one less male out there to rape
no loss
>>28053753
>So you think because you haven't seen it, it doesn't exist. Among millions of people, your one anecdote is king huh? Try listening to other people.
I never said things like that didn't happen, just not to the scale you seem to think it does.
Also 2 mins of footage in over hours of filming walking around the city from morning until night is not good evidence and you're deluded to think otherwise.
>>28054281
Yeah. It's so fucking sad. People like >>28054300 often forget how real these people are. So it's easy to just look at things through the black and white lens and assume they're fighting evil people who they'd rather be rid of.
I can't blame a single robot for hating women when the feminist movement is so big and most women describe themselves as feminists. Of course it's not all women. But they're so many is there even any point in making the distinction anymore?
I've been thinking a lot about how to convince people to be more rational about things and it's really hard. The best I've got is to have a discussion where we both establish our goals and then only focus on our mutual goals. But that has the drawback of if we disagree on something a smart person would have to consider what the impact of our arguments might have on the other issues.
Still seems like the best way to meet at common ground. If it can be found anymore.
When you see things like your picture. I just can't believe they hold the values they claim to. I think it might be this very primal thing where the alphas are the only males worth keeping unless they serve some other purpose. Not sure how you can break that. Seems as hard as turning someone gay/straight.
>>28053938
You mean in favor of men? Idk, we have it pretty good already. The recently let women into new military branches, so less of us have to deal with that nonsense.
But again, feminism aims to create a world that benefits both genders. If there is a social issue and our gender norms are causing it, whether it affects males or females, feminism wants to change it anon.
>>28053999
Not an argument, better luck next time champ!
>>28054028
The numbers are public, do your research
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>>28054094
My only preference is a culture that enables freedom. Currently we assign roles based on gender. That's all I'm saying.
Men are often ridiculed for being stay at home dads, or feel bad making less money than women for example. So you can imagine what impact that will have. What you see currently is not some kind of free non biased division of labour, it's a dominant cultural outgrowth. If you socialize girls to believe their worth is only to be found in appearance, childbirth, and stay at homism, that's what thy will go into, and they might not be happy doig it, ie. all the depressed housewives of the 50s. But if thats what they choose in a world where we do not impimt them, so be it.
Watch Miss Representation, it's a great documentary and it raises many more points than I'm willing to type out on my phone.
>>28054140
You might be an outlier, but generally speaking what I'm saying is repeated by millions of men and women. As well as sociologists and psychologists.
I agree, society is pretty depressing. I'm a Marxist feminist becuase I also see what factors beyond gender cause it to suck. Late capitalism is dangerous for the soul.
>>28054315
Why isn't it? If one woman is harassed dozens of times in a single day, why does that not raise alarms for you?
>>28054700
>If there is a social issue and our gender norms are causing it, whether it affects males or females, feminism wants to change it anon.
Then provide an example like I asked for.
>>28054700
>Why isn't it? If one woman is harassed dozens of times in a single day, why does that not raise alarms for you?
first off my definition of harassment is different from yours, she was cat called that many times because she actually went out looking for it, going through the bad parts of a town and walking for hours just waiting for people to cat call her.
>>28054772
I've been doing that. If a boy wants to dress like a "girl" let him. If a boy cries, don't tell him to man up.
>>28054834
>asking for it
>proving the underpinnings of rape culture exist in his mind
Also, she walks all though Manhattan, bad parts is silly to say. This happens EVERYYEAR. I lived in NYC for 3 yeats, saw it all the time. See it in Boston too.
But you seem to be in such denial that you don't care to know. Talk to woman dude, learn about other people.
>>28055592
>I've been doing that.
No you haven't. A good example would be something like a law to prevent male circumcision. We're always talking condemning female circumcision in third world countries but nobody makes a peep about slicing a male child's foreskin off without his consent. One of the most clearcut disadvantages of being male and yet not even that gets any kind of attention. The hypocrisy of feminists and the modern Western world in general is awful.
>>28055592
It's interesting that I need to show proof that we need feminism on /r9k/ when every other thread is a woman hate thread, and there is a bunch of men almost incapable of dealing with their feels and admire assholes who went postal because they couldn't get laid.
That's all the reason you need for feminism, the proof is right here, just look.
>>28047831
It's authoritarian in nature.
>>28055742
Yes, let's do that. I'm a feminist and very much for this law. And many others are as well. But all because we are for it, doesn't make it happen.
Same applies to literally most of the issues they are trying to address, that's why they are still being addressed, mainstream society is very vested in their ways.
This includes capitalism. Did you know foreskins are part of a billionaire dollar industry? You think those corporate assholes will just bend over and let us stop it that easily?
Nope. And that's just one issue, feminists address the issues they find important, does not exclude others. Each inidivudal only has so much time and energy, and it's hard fighting the a system of power that does not want you to succeed, and neither does the average person.
Either way anon, I hope I've convinced you that at least not all feminists are as /r9k/ describes.
>>28055805
>That's all the reason you need for feminism, the proof is right here, just look.
A board full of impotent angry nobodies who don't even so much as force you to look at them because they're stuck in their basements all day? They will never have any impact on your life unless you choose to come to this website and argue with them.
Just provide some proofs you sidestepping cunt.
>>28055898
I have already, youll just keep asking for more and more because you'll find reasons to disbelieve it like you just did.
Good day to you as well you cunt.
>>28055925
I don't think you know what evidence is. Take a science class or kill yourself please.
>>28055898
It's fairly likely that person is a troll. He is namefagging as happy person and apologizing for feminism on /r9k/. He also glosses over a lot of arguments and replies to as many people as possible.
>>28055999
>He also glosses over a lot of arguments and replies to as many people as possible.
That's why I think it might actually be genuine.
>>28055954
Not an argument kiddo.
>>28055999
I reply to people who respond to my post you imbecile.
>>28056023
Genuine indeed. If you want to argue something, go ahead the only thing stopping you is intellect.
>>28056023
Even if he isn't a troll you're wasting your time. Do what you enjoy doing, though.
>>28056109
Nope, you're right. I'm done talking to this person.
>>28054405
>I've been thinking a lot about how to convince people to be more rational about things and it's really hard.
That's just it, they don't want to be rational.
>Still seems like the best way to meet at common ground.
They also don't want common ground either. They just want to stop up their ears, scream they can't hear you and keep on falsely believing nothing's wrong
It doesn't promote equal opportunity, it promotes equal outcome.
>>28047831
this picture makes me uncomfortable
>>28052682
What a potato source , might as well quote the daily mail
Why do you niggers respond to these fucking retarded threads?
