ETERNAL REMINDER that if you're part of the 99.999% who don't own private property you have no reason to not support going FULL COMMUNISM
ETERNAL REMINDER that capitalism relies on worker exploitation to survive, and it's beginning to quickly regress into feudalism (such as fracking companies forcibly seizing people's property in England)
ETERNAL REMINDER that Communism is the true beta uprising because Its about the overthrow of normie capitalism that normies thrive off of. Normies love social darwinism even though Darwin himself was against it and the survival of the fittest says that it's the ones who adapt the most to their environment, not the smartest or strongest who survive
>But communism failed before!
So did most slave rebellions, and so did most independent republics for thousands of years before the French Revolution.
>But I'll surely be rich in the future!
No you won't, the best you'll ever get is a middle-class life where you will still always be a wageslave and one paycheck away from poverty and homelessness.
>But muh calvanism, if people fail they're meant to!
Go live in a forest and fight for survival from predators much larger than you if you think that's what life should be about. Everything that is going to survive is cooperation, not competition. The winner's glory moment will be a pale memory in history.
>But Communism killed so many people!
Those people were going against the community. Maybe those fags should stop hogging the crop. Most of the people that the red army killed were people using slave labor.
Society > the individual
Also most communists are smart and educated while most Fascists and capitalists are neanderthals who foam at the mouth at anything they don't like
>>27956672
ETERNAL REMINDER that if you earn minimum wage or more your better of than in a communist state.
>>27956869
>I-I'm so insecure that I have to feel superior to others
>>27956869
>free housing
>free healthcare
>guaranteed job
>military service and camaraderie
>the socialist states (and especially East Germany) pioneered research into why people remain beta virgins and successfully found a method of preventing it in childhood
Face it, bourgie, there is nothing worth salvaging in liberal capitalism unless you are already doing well in it.
Whatever, I don't want to get Gulag'd. Thanks, I'll pass.
>>27956672
Tankie get out
Who /libsoc/ here?
>>27957241
The population in the GULag camps wasn't even that much higher than in the US prison system, proportionally speaking.
Plus, what the fuck would you be doing that would result in a GULag'n?
>>27957215
>the socialist states (and especially East Germany) pioneered research into why people remain beta virgins and successfully found a method of preventing it in childhood
>mfw
Stfu if you have no idea what you're talking about. My father had to grow up in the DDR and it was hell. Don't act like it's (or the UDSSR) been heaven because you're on your edgy stalinist trip. Just like nazi fags who act like they wouldn't have died in the third reich (KZ or war)
>>27956672
not this fucking thread again
go to /pol/
>>27957283
>The population in the GULag camps wasn't even that much higher than in the US prison system
Well, the US has more people incarcerated than any other country in the world. So, I'll pass again.>>27957283
>Plus, what the fuck would you be doing that would result in a GULag'n?
Oh, I dunno. Critique the Communist Party in any way? Advocate for the 'wrong' kind of Communism (Trotsky)? Write music that doesn't fit the ideal of the party leaders (Shostakovic)? Don't work enough?
Actually, when I think about it, what *would not* cause me to be Gulag'd?
>>27957347
The research was in the 1980's, and the program was never fully implemented for reasons that are obvious.
I am about to leave for about 40 minutes, but when I get back, I can find it. I read about it in a US psychology book.
Communism can never work, because another society which does not punish success, enterprise and freedom will arise as its rival and defeat it.
Daily reminder that /leftypol/ fags from redditchan create these propaganda threads all over 4chan
>>27956672
Aw man, I miss being 14.
>>27957388
Where would you write these things?
Where would you publish them?
Not working enough would just result in them gradually removing certain privileges until you wisened up. The quota, though, was notoriously easy to meet (which is actually why there were shortages in the early USSR, because they drastically underestimated what people could produce in a workday).
>>27957215
>the socialist states (and especially East Germany) pioneered research into why people remain beta virgins and successfully found a method of preventing it in childhood
I think Hitler did this too...
>>27957414
>another society which does not punish backstabbing, crime and exploitation will arise as its rival and defeat it.
Fascist master race tbqhwy
>>27956672
>Society > the individual
dropped
>70 million people died under mao because they went against the comunity
>beliving a comunist state can't get taken over by a lone nutter who turned out to be worse than hitler ie stalin
k
>>27957464
Socialism allows for more individualism actually. Read Stirner.
>Classcucks actually thinking being a cog in the capitalist machine is freedom
>>27957432
>Where would you write these things?
>Where would you publish them?
Well, loads of artists/writers/musicians managed to do that, so I'd probably be possible. Plus, not being able to publish stuff isn't really helping your point.
Oh, and >>27957464
How about feminism, which was conceived by communists, and now creates robots because they were raised by a single mother and can't get a gf in the deregulated sexual marketplace created by sexual revolution?
Salute to you comrade
>>27956672
>Society > the individual
>Implying I give a fuck about this crappy society or others except for a handful of people
>>27957528
Thats why you should die tbqh. You're a sociopath.
>>27957496
>communistcucks actually believe that viewing people as members of certain classes that share common goals can be fused with individualism
wew
>>27957545
Take your teenage tier propaganda to another board then faggot.
Also a ETERNAL reminder to sage these threads everyone
>Those people were going against the community so it's okay to kill them
Yeah, it makes total sense for a robot to support commiecucks when they do that shit huh you dumb faggot?
Commiecucks are the eternal enemy of robots. You commiecucks would see us all killed for not wanting to cuck ourselves working for your system that has abandoned us.
>>27957464
>Individual > society
GTFO you filthy commie. Western Ethos thinking is superior! Consequentialism FTW!
>he believes the class meme
Almost ANYTHING else works better then communisim when practiced.
Learn from history. That shit has failed horrificly over and over and over and over again.
It makes Nazism look good by comparison when it comes to human rights and a stable economy.
It makes full on military strong man dictatorships look stable by comparison.
Shit even anarchy has more appeal in some context then communism.
I struggle to think of a more shit system than communism.
Only thing it is good for is killing MASSIVE amounts of whatever country falls under its influence.
>>27956672
Those people are retarded then. If my land contain d valuable resources I wouldn't sell but I would lease it cheap the first year under the condition they paid for a replacement home. The rent would then rise at a fixed rate until it reached an agreeable amount amongst both parties. You just want communism because you're a spineless pussy who can't negotiate with your superiors.
>>27957608
>Western Ethos thinking is superior!
>tfw
karl marx was a german
>'western ethos'
one of the first supporters of consequentialism was fucking chinese
5 century BC
>tfw
>commiecucks will defend getting BTFO by some eskimos
>>27957659
Communism at least in the Soviet case basically turned Russia from a backwater Africa tier peasant society to the second most powerful country on earth. Pretty successful desu
>>27957771
yeah until it fucking collapsed on itself
>>27957215
>unless you are already doing well in it.
And that's it. 99% of people in western civilization are doing well in it compared to what their life look like in a communist country. And don't even pretend like you care about poor indian and african children
>>27957834
Only because shit management. It was still impressive. Not even a commie myself.
>>27957738
>muh winter war
Finland got it's ass kicked in the continuation war.
>>27957738
>mfw this is actually real
>>27957771
yeah, stalin's 5-year plan worked very well
perhaps due to excessive use of slave labour from gulag
>ONE MILLION YEAR GULAG
>>27957707
>Implying you have sources for that.
>Implying that, even if it were true, two examples don't show systematic implementation throughout cultures (West = Ethos based thinking conceived in ancient Greece and East = Confucian based thinking conceived in acient China.)
Wew laddy.
>>27957921
>Finland got it's ass kicked in the continuation war.
>ass kicked
>>27957771
>Russia from a backwater Africa tier peasant society
Kek. Do you even Peter the Great Brobot?
>>27958010
Mozi supported a communitarian form of consequentialism, rather than individual pleasure or pain.
It is the business of the benevolent man to seek to promote what is beneficial to the world and to eliminate what is harmful, and to provide a model for the world. What benefits he will carry out; what does not benefit men he will leave alone.
Mozi, Mozi (5th century BC) Part I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialism
>>27957692
How can someone own land? Where does one get the right or even the notion to claim ownership of something that was there before that person was born and that will be there when that person dies.
All communism advocates is to use all available resources for the good of all. Cooperation brings more riches to more people than the competition could ever bring.
>>27958012
You're leaving out the Soviet victory :^)
>Casualties
>Mattering
Communism can never work in this timeline as there will always be a communist leader taking advantage and becoming a dictator
>>27956672
>>Those people were going against the community.
No. That is not how you justify the killings of a socialist revolutionary state. They are unfortunate, but necessary.
Like killing the Tsar and family - nasty, but a very pragmatic measure to secure the revolution.
Stalin's purges, etc, were just him being a cunt.
>>27958442
>Thinking all communism is Leninism or Maoism
>>27958259
>full world communism
>full world comic sans-ism
kek, good that you are acknowledging that your ideology is the comic sans of ideologies.
>>27957347
>>27957347
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html
>>27956672
Yeah my employer exploits me so badly. I work for his company and he pays me and provides other perks! Viva la revolucion.
>>27958441
Just gotta hit those kill counters eh?
>>27957417
>implying stormweenies don't pull the same shit
>>27958493
this is simply geriatrics having a huge case of demented nostalgia
>>27958259
The ability to murder however steps foot on the land you claim
>>27958567
>sees the REAL FACTS
>still ignores it for ideology
this is why coercion is not always a bad thing
![Red-Guard-torture-someone_1967[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7TIU4Ov.jpg "Red-Guard-torture-someone_1967[1].jpg")
>tfw you only support leftist revolutions and uprisings because you want to put Stacies, Chads, and boomers through brutal Struggle Sessions
The best part about communism is the revolution. The worst thing about the revolution is that it ends.
>>27958597
>communism was better because old people are nostalgic of their youth
dude jesus suicide not once but twice
>>27958441
Soviet Union should have annexed the whole country bud. The fact that they couldn't is in itself a huge victory for the Finns.
>>27958628
>>27958628
>57% of the population are old people
>only old people were around n the 70's and 80's
:^)
>>27956672
>one paycheck away from poverty and homelessness.
been neet four years, can probably afford another ten
>>27958653
yes, only old people actually know what living under communism was like, the rest are shitstains like you that are lobotomized by communist ideological subversion, orchestrated for decades by the cia
>>27958771
pick up a book retard
>tfw chilefag
>tfw this place was about to become democratic socialist paradise until imperialist scum like Nixon and the CIA fucked Allende's shit up
i support this OP
>>27958794
you should do that as well shithead, i recommend the gulag archipelago, read it and if you still support any form of socialism/communism only suicide can help you
>implying betas from r9k wouldn't be the first wave of human wave tactics or sent to a gulag
>>27958853
>oh nooooo that's propaganda
>the gulag archipelago: good book totally not propaganda :DDDDDDDDDDD
>>27958880
that's the funniest thing, they have no one to stand up for them because they are friendless losers, and those people are the first to become rounded up and shot/forced into slave labor or marched in human waves against fortified enemy, meanwhile chads have connections and evade this shit easily
>>27958900
>names, dates, people that have went through the gulag system vouching for everything there
>propaganda
end your worthless life m8
>>27958941
but they were just brainwashed like the east germaner's :^)
>>27957266
egoist anarchist reporting in.
There is no reason not to live in a demand based economy that rejects the notion of a profit driven motive in favor of the motive of satisfying an idividual's desires.
I want my tendies, and god damnit I will unionize erryday till I get them in exchange for my autistic playtime known to others as "labor".
>>27958853
>read grapes of wrath if you still support blablablabla
>>27956672
Come on commie. Try take away my freedom and property. I'll be waiting.
My ancestors were the 1%s in Russia, they were the founders of Syzran. They all got shot or sent to Siberia. No.
>>27958988
>confusing private property with personal property
private property is industry and stuff, things used to take worker's surplus value. personal property is your computer and tendies and stuff.
>take away my freedom
While tankies might want to do that, most people are communists because the want freedom. In a society focused around keeping people servile enough to work for some other man so they may profit freedom is scarce. Imagine how much more freedom you would have if you worked for your own gain and lived in an actual democracy, as in, a democracy where you have representation.
>>27956672
Daily reminder that people like me who know how to manipulate others to live a comfortable life, albeit haven't found anybody rich enough, thrive on capitalism and don't accept you. Fuck outta my country
left, right, it doesnt matter
there will always be chad
chad will always get away with it
chad will always find the way of avoiding any bullshit that the system throws at him
chad will always use robot as a shield
there will never be true justice in this world
there will be true happiness
is all about power
and in order to get power you need to fuck with people who dont deserve it
thats the only way
you may get recognition, fame, even some money, but you will never get power if you dont do that
capitalism, communism, whatever political economic syste, religion, they dont matter, they dont exist, they are not more that fairy tales
this is the truth
this is the true red pill
you are alone
it will never change
>>27959093
read max stirner, you're left wing already
>>27959093
>le robot ideology
Dumbest post on this website
>>27956672
Daily reminder that state capitalist places like the ussr were not communist. Communism/socialism is when workers control the industries. Here's some examples of actually socialist movements:
>the free territory in ukraine
>the spanish civil war
and thats about it desu. both times authoritarians killed off all the socialists because they have normies on their sides and we all know normies outnumber freedom-lovers.
>>27959018
fuck you they deserved it.
>>27959093
this is the only truth there is for us but delusional and easily swayed morons won't believe you
>>27959116
can i un-left wing myself without becoming right wing?
>>27959117
explain why faggot
>>27958553
>Call leftist on their shit
>"BUT STORMWEENIES"
Everytime.
>>27959116
reading is for faggots
im just as clever as any of those nerds you can namedrop
prove me wrong
protein: u canT :p
>>27959188
You don't need to un-left yourself.
Left yourself some more by readin max stirner. Learn about why spooks are shit and your ego is awesome.
becomign right-wing just means devoting yourself for a stupid cause like nationalism.
Serve yourself only comrade.
>>27959093
why type that out? hopefags don't listen to reason, only their own personal tragedies
>>27959240
>why type that out?
i felt it in my guts
>hopefags don't listen to reason, only their own personal tragedies
good for them
at least they can avoid the self-handicapping circlejerk that turned most of us into beliving the kind of nonsense as the one i typed out
>you will never meet a class conscious girl that is not a sjw
>she will never support you as you write an economic proof for demand-driven economies
>she will never start the final one big union with you
>>27959211
Nice deflection, comrade. You're all pawns in a grand game of chess for the capitalist ruling class. Libertarian, Democrat, Republican, Stormweenie; it doesn't matter. You will all be sacrificed to further secure land and property for your masters and you'll thank them while wiping the cum off your chin. Stay cucked, mia amiko.
>>27959236
idk who the guy is
im not really a "reader"
what makes you think his work is somehow related to what i said?
>becomign right-wing just means devoting yourself for a stupid cause like nationalism.
wouldnt that make all the comunism stuff itt actually right wing?
are trump supporters actually right wing?
are you implying being right wing just means being an ignorant fuckwit?
>>27959335
Marx would hate SJW's. True communists understand that all this hooha about trans this misogynist that is a bourgeois distraction to keep the proletariat fighting against one another.
>>27959412
exactly. Identity politics is used to pitch prole against prole.
>>27959405
Seriously read stirner m8, ego and its own explains the concept of spooks and why spooks are shit. Spooks are basically things like nationalism and religion.
>>27959405
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stirner/ego-and-its-own.htm#p0
you gotta read anon trust me
>>27959405
>wouldnt that make all the comunism stuff itt actually right wing?
Most communists don't give a fuck about other people. It's not a charity thing like wagecucks will try to make you believe. Working for one's self is what leftism is about. All the labor I choose to do should belong to me, not some fuck that happened to provide the tools. Workers can work together to provide their own capital so they can work for themselves.
>>27959447
why does he call them "spooks"?
sorry, im not a native english speaker
as far as i know spook is related to spooky which means something that is creepy/scary
>>27959509
In the context of stirner "spooks" is most related to ghosts. Ideas like nationalism and religion can be described as phantoms that haunt the minds of the superstitious.
>>27959487
>Workers can work together to provide their own capital so they can work for themselves.
unless employers collude to make that impossible, which happens all the time
>>27959047
>people are communists because they want freedom
People are libertarians because they want freedom.
On the topic of communism. It only takes a 10 minute Google search to see how communism is flawed and never worked.
>>27959548
oh ok thanks
orignilatico comento mr roboto
>>27959595
lolbertarians base their whole ideology off 10 minute google searches
>>27959572
Indeed it does, and that's why we need to make more people class conscious.
We need to take back labor unions which have been stolen from us by sjws. We need to take back the right to protest without having the cops come and turn everything violent. We need to fight back against unfair incarceration, an overwhelming portion of our ranks is being thrown in jail on false drug accusations. We need to abolish the nationalist and religious indoctrination that happens in our schools. Furthermore, we gotta keep on trying to form federations of workers co-ops despite all the barriers set in place.
>>27959612
lolbertarians are children who have a simplistic black and white view of freedom.
They don't realize that safety and security is a freedom.
They don't realize that efficient medical treatment is a freedom.
They don't realize that protecting your lakes and rivers from porky is part of being free.
>>27959625
and what does the right wing have to say about this?
trump supporters think this is bad? if so, how?
as far as i know this sounds pretty left winged, but true left winged, not tumblr-core left wing.
excuse me for the use of buzzwords.
>Trying to bring any sort of class consciousness to the ultra-cucked robots
Good luck comrade
I'm actually more sympathetic towards anarchism although it gets a bad association more often than not with edgy teenagers and hippies. Truly feel a strong connection with anarchist ideas and traditional liberalism.
>>27959625
and who is gonna be the "worker" then?
who is gonna clean toilets?
why are all systems flawed?
is it globalisation's fault?
>>27958814
Ahahahaha haha, wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder!
Helicopter ride for you
Hey commies, what's it like going through 11th year history?
Hope high school is going well. It should be the time of your life.
>>27959675
>are trump supporters anti-communist
Let's list all the reasons why, shall we?
>pro-nationalism and pro-religion
These things, like all identity politics (including the tumblr gender bullshit) is used to keep people loyal to certain groups and prevent them from co-operating to accomplish major tasks such as liberating the means of production.
>pro-capitalist
Pretty self explanatory. People like trump have the interests of the bourgeoisie in mind, they'll pass trade policies that restrict freedoms like internet use in favor of granting more power to business owners (or in the case of corporations: shareholders). Of course, they'll also favor policies that allow the bourgeoisie to keep the proles in line, policies such as:
>increasing the power of the police
>increasing indoctrination in school
>preventing the passage of public services that might give people anti-capitalist ideas
>>27956672
>if you're part of the 99.999% who don't own private property
I'm using my computer which I own right now to make this post, as are most people in this thread. That is considered private property.
Kill yourself.
>>27959868
personal property != private property
Do you own a factory? Most likely not.
>>27959788
In a wage-driven society like the one we live in everything revolves around "jobs". Someone is assigned to clean toilets, someone is assigned to file papers etc. A crack in the road will never get fixed if there is not someone that has the job of fixing that crack.
In a demand-driven society based on free association someone will fill in that crack, someone will clean that toilet. They'll probably clean the toilet voluntarily cause a filthy toilet is disgusting, and maybe filling in the crack in the road will be a type of labor that someone does due to peer pressure, they might not be able to figure out anything else to do at the moment and feel they need to work so they'll do that.
>>27959653
Safety and security isn't freedom. We give up our civil liberties for "safety and security". Because I'm sure that having someone feel up my asshole at the airport isn't for "my safety" and having the NSA watch my computer isn't for my "security"
Freedom is black and white. It's basic. But people don't understand that. Efficient medial care isn't freedom. The choice to work for medical care is freedom. Freedom is what makes people self reliant, so it's not about "lol dude I want free health care"
>>27959852
All candidates are anti-communist, even Sanders, in fact Trump is far more leftist in his ideas towards trade and militarism, at least if we can believe his campaign rhetoric. I'd put Hillary and Cruz on the far right wing end of the spectrum. Hillary is a neo-liberalist, humanitarian interventionist fanatic, same with Cruz.
>>27959939
have you ever felt the need to clean up your community but were not allowed to due to laws? Is there a job you would like to do but cant due to the structure of wage slavery? Socialism is for you then.
People almost always would rather do something than nothing, and a profit-driven market economy sets up barriers that prevent people from doing what they want.
>>27959852
>Pretty self explanatory. People like trump have the interests of the bourgeoisie in mind, they'll pass trade policies that restrict freedoms like internet use in favor of granting more power to business owners (or in the case of corporations: shareholders).
and why are there non-rich people who support this ideas? are they really that stupid?
i want to see some arguments from the other side, i would deliver them myself if i could for the sole propuse of fun and learning, but they are not within myself
>>27959949
please define freedom
>>27959975
Actually there are candidates with worker interests in mind. Try jill stein of the green party.
Bernie isn't very pro-worker, but his reforms will push the overton window. His reforms will improve quality of life will simultaneously removing some mcarthyism. Workers that are more educated and have a better quality of life are more likely to learn about communism and will perhaps then organize and pursue it.
>>27959980
>I want a blue collar job, but I don't want to work for it
>27960030
Nobody is saying that training and education won't be necessary. What's being said is that the construct of employment severely hampers everyone.
>>27959939
im not expert but i guess we are living in a wage-driven society
what would need to change in order to become in a demand driven society?
imo it would mean a complete change in the way humans think, and archiving something like that in the scale of what humanity is now, and all the time we have lived as wage-society, seems imposible
>>27960008
The dictionary definition is pretty clear:
the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants.
I don't like communism or any kind of leftism because it basically means restrictions, less freedom and more forbidden things. No thanks, not edgy enough
>tfw post-left Stirnerist
>tfw just riding out the storm and getting my bunker ready for when capitalism destroys itself
>>27960173
>capitalism destroys itself
With the help of communism of course.
>>27960122
so it's what somebody wants instead of what's good?
it's also only talking about one person
someone who really wants freedom wants to be a dictator, they want what they immediately want without questioning it
if you really want to be free, why would you give a shit about so-called civil liberties, or any economic or political system, or anything that relates to anyone but yourself?
>>27960030
why would you need to go throught a bunch of bullshit just to do something positve?
what kind of moral code is that? the cuckcode? get real
>>27960194
I'm not so sure about that. I don't believe in the dialectic or any of that Hegelian shit, capitalism will be probably destroyed in a super-saiyan version of the 2008 recession.
>>27960101
Our society can be described as global capitalism, which means a few things:
>the main mode of production is private controlled industry
>parts of goods are shipped around the world to be combined into finished products which are then shipped to retail, all for the sake of maximizing profit by taking advantage of the cheapest labor available
It can be elaborated on and more clearly defined as: a profit-driven market economy with privately controlled industry that exploits workers for their surplus value, and the majority of the industry is done by corporations which share the stolen surplus labor with shareholders rather than with a singular owner or a set of owners, and additionally lobbying is in place to make it difficult for new industry of any kind to form outside of the control of the top oligopolies.
To change it, actually all we have to do is resist the governments. We gotta make worker controlled industries wherever we can even if it is illegal. An important goal would be to create a worker federation strong enough to provide the initial investment capital for new worker controlled industries, obsoleting capitalists (the traditional providers of initial investment capital) once and for all.
>>27960208
Yes. That's exactly it. Being the dictator of yourself and not letting the state decide for you.
>>27958259
>>27958259
>>27958259
>>27958259
Oh hey there! I fixed your infograph!
It's much more accurate now.
>>27956672
>Those people were going against the community.
You are sick.
You and every single commie that has ever existed.
>>27960280
being the dictator of everyone else apparently too
>>27959093
i.e people with charisma / leadership abilities / social ability end up powerful.
That's a no brainer.
>>27960209
Because life isn't handed to you on a gold plate.
>>27960131
i live in one of the most capitalistic places in the world.
to give you a hint, our constitution was made during a right-winged dictatorship.
guess what, if you are not rich, you dont have access to education and health
the public choices are literal SHIT
maybe freedom for you means a ps4 or some shit like that.
a new perpective shouldnt do you any harm
communism is shit tho, in the sense of "everyone gets the same!"
in the sense of people coperating instead of cuttin their each others heads for a salary, is pretty nice
>>27960311
REEEEE WHY THE FUCK NOT CHAD GETS HIS LIFE HANDED TO HIM SO WHY THE FUCK CAN'T I?
>>27960363
Genetics are different from determination.
>>27960289
>the only way to achieve socialism is with totalitarianism
because that worked soooooooo well for every place that tried it.
Lad, pretty much all modern day socialists except for authoritcycuck lifestylists that romanticize systematized oppression agree that what the ussr and all those related places did was horribel and stupid. Workers shoudl control industry right off the bat, and there should be strict measures in place to ensure that nothing like a vanguard or a president comes into power.
>>27960311
why not? there are people who sure have everything on a gold plate, they simply dont use any of that power to make this a better place.
>>27960418
Because freedom. It's their wealth, not yours. If they feel like sharing it, they can. If they feel like keeping it, they can. Anyone can technically become rich or handsome. It takes determination.
>>27960329
>communism is everyone gets the same
stop eating mcarthyist propaganda. The only thing leftists want is the abolition of private property. That doesn't mean your personal property like your phone and computer, that means no more porky owning the businesses. Workers controlling the industries means: better work hours, shorter work weeks, your surplus value is being utilized in your interest rather than by a business owner for their own personal gain, and better working conditions. The only reason anyone would be opposed to this is: propaganda, bourgeois aspirations, are a part of the bourgeoisie
>99.9% of people don't own private property
That's a load of shit.
>>27957215
>the socialist states (and especially East Germany) pioneered research into why people remain beta virgins and successfully found a method of preventing it in childhood
source
>>27960521
read the thread famalam.
private property is businesses and shit.
personal property is your clothes and phone and shit.
This thread shows how dumb you guys are.
No one even bothers to define terms and agree on them, and you debate high level abstract concepts without an operational definition .
Most you have no clue what communism is, no idea. Do some research.
>>27960462
my fucking ass. VERY few people who have wealth and power weren't born into it. In a capitalist society, the ruling class does not often allow outsiders to join their ranks. the vast majority of the poor will never be rich.
If islamic gommunism is so cool then why are most gommunists retarded hipsters with self esteem issues?
>>27960737
EBIN BAIDED AGEN :DDDDD
>>27960462
nothing says freedom more than self-justifying authority
>>27960721
Why are you treating the 1% like they're some fucking cult? I agree that some of the rich may be snobby scumbags but that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to protect their wealth.
>>27960721
>VERY few people who have wealth and power weren't born into it. In a capitalist society, the ruling class does not often allow outsiders to join their ranks.
This is just simply incorrect, most millionaires are self made and most of the wealthiest people in the world came from the upper middle to lower upper classes(inb4 you keep moving the benchposts). Capitalists don't give a shit if more people join there ranks because they know that wealth is not a zero sum game.
>the vast majority of the poor will never be rich.
This one is actually true, but not for the reasons that you think.
>>27960783
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""their"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" wealth
Who mines the ores? Who builds the products? Who ships them? Stocks them? Sells them?
It sure as hell isn't the bourgeoisie.
>>27960820
Workers who are given a cut of the profit. That why you should self employ it you want boss yourself around. If you own some land that could have precious minerals in it. You let companies use the land for profit. You get paid, the workers get paid, and the business owners who organise and keep the company running get paid.
>>27960761
Show me a communist that has done something cool other than 'art' (worthless bullshit that privileged people do instead of giving back to the world by being economically productive), academic pseudo-science to advance there stupid ideology, or killing people to advance there stupid ideology.
>>27960804
> upper middle to lower upper classes
Exactly, you try starting a business without a penny to your name. I tried to start a 3D printed statue business before it went mainstream, people were interested but it flopped because I couldn't afford advertising. The product wasn't shit because since then I've seen other companies making bucks from the exact same idea. Unless you have daddy to give you a few thousand you're fucked unless the government takes pity on you and gives you assistance.
>>27960876
oh i don't know how about GOING TO FUCKING SPACE or LITERALLY SAVING THE WORLD FROM HITLER
in 'society' we are enslaved to eachover
>>27960881
Haha, now we get to the root. You failed in your retarded business endeavor so you took on this retarded ideology to explain why you are a failure and protect your ego.
>>27960869
>the business owners who organise and keep the company running get paid
Except they do none of this.
>>27960907
How about the lead rocket scientist of the USSR was tortured, sent to 10 years labor camp, and was almost put to death for NOT being a retarded communist you stupid fuck.
>LITERALLY SAVING THE WORLD FROM HITLER
I do respect the sacrifices made by those soldiers but it really didn't have much to do with communism in of itself. Any country defends itself when attacked.
>>27960907
>LITERALLY SAVING THE WORLD FROM HITLER
Hitler did his best to save the world from commieshits. The USSR were the bad guys. (Or should I say the good goys?)
>>27961015
who built the rockets? who was it that got that scientist there in the first place? why was the USSR able to beat the nazis but other countries weren't?
also cuba was the first country to eliminate mother to child hiv and syphilis
>>27960876
Albert Einstein
>>27961057
Who lost an economic war against the evil and uneficcient capitalism?
>>27961090
it's a miracle that countries like the ussr and cuba held out as long as they did considering that only the russian revolution was successful at first
nobody planned for socialism in one country but it became a necessity
>>27958553
>implying stormweenies don't pull the same shit
So?
They're right and you are wrong.
They can shill all day, as far as I'm concerned.
>>27961057
>who built the rockets?
Probably a bunch of people released from labor camps and pardoned from a death sentence if there lead scientist was
>who was it that got that scientist there in the first place?
The USSR, but they literally kidnapped them from their own populace.
>why was the USSR able to beat the nazis but other countries weren't?
Because the nazis focused 90% of their military in Russia because hitlers entire goal was to take russian land???
>also cuba was the first country to eliminate mother to child hiv and syphilis
That's nice but the majority of medical research is conducted in the USA.
>>27961070
>Albert Einstein
He was merely a socialist. Yeah, if everyone was as smart as einstein socialism would probably work.
>>27961204
anon i don't think you understand, none of that is really bad
the us just let nazis go free when they wanted rocket scientists
if the nazis mainly focused on attacking the ussr it should be easier for other countries
Stalin=Satan
>>27961255
I think you are missing the context of the full conversation.
>>27960591
Private property is also land you dumbshit.
how do we change the world, /r9k/?
all of you seem like pretty clever people who agree somehow in some moral terms and what not.
what is in our way?
>>27960881
You failed because of your own incompetence. Secondly it's easy as fuck to get microloans for only a couple thousand.
some people hate these kind of threads, taggin them as shill and other buzzwords, but i like them.
i dont know anyone from my age who wants to talk about this kind of stuff, imo this is the kind of talk everyone should be having in our time.
why does everyone in the real world just care about shallow shit? no one really wants to change the world? no one really cares? why?
i dont understand
i also dont understand much of what you guys are saying, at least not in the same levels of depth.
is this the true diference between "robots" and "normies"? do normies really just dont care?
>>27962014
>do normies really just dont care?Why do you think Trump is so popular?
>>27962064
why dont they care? it seems like they are BAD people.
i know bad and good are subjective, in 99% of cases, but death isnt subjective, i trully think this obsession with money is going to make humanity implode.
is just a superficial observation tho
im not an expert
but i dont think it takes an expert to see the facts.
democracies that work like monarchies.
what is going on with the world?
what is in people's minds?
is like some kind of sickness.
we could shot all of them, but it will happen again, right?
what kind of joke is this?
i want off this ride, for real
>>27961281
mfw the b8 is way too forced
