He reads fiction
he pretends to be a girl on 4chan
He posts a "red flags for guys" threads on 4chan.
What's wrong with reading fiction?
>>27880540
Thread is now closed.
No more you's for Mr. Faggot
>>27880540
Who the FUCK is this?? Name??
ITT: Fiction reading betas get mad
>>27880540
Who is she, OP?
he has a foot fetish
>he talks about his ex(es) all the time
>he has cheated on his ex
>>27880540
>reading is a red flag
Lolwut
He doesn't have any creative/productive hobbies.
>>27881907
this one forever
he has a collection of weapons that he owns for no specific purpose (eg hunting, historical reenactment, self defence)
>Vidya more than 8 hours a week.
>Drinks by himself
>Messy apartment
>Cargo shorts, wallet chains, any other spergy clothes and accessories
>doesn't have a car
I mean, seriously?
>his bathroom is disgusting
>he doesn't wash his cock (remember to get under the foreskin boys)
>he doesn't eat pussy
>He's fat
>he doesn't know how to do simple household chores
>his parents treat him like a fragile little prince (things like driving him everywhere, cleaning up after him, cooking his tendies for him)
>He doesnt make over 100K a year
>He's under 6 foot
>He isnt muscular
>He can't accept me for my 200 pound weight
>Doesnt believe in Femenism, Alimony, Polygamy or Child Support
>His dick is less then 8 Inches
>Doesn't put every detail of his life on the internet
>Doesn't have 80+ friends
Why can't I find a real man r9k
>>27880540
I've never met a girl who even reads, so fiction reading males are doing better than you are
>>27880540
GG OP here's you your (you) so fucking mad right now wow I know you're not a girl and also that you don't even believe that sentence you wrote yet here I am responding how can this be
>This whole thread
OG
>mfw white male reading this thread
Lol picky delousional bitches who never give a guy a chance.
Cant even get a response or meet with fat whales on tindr.
Go get fucked by a nigger and get aids ladies thx.
>he has any kids
>dated a slut in the past
>not a virgin
>>27882352
im a virgin why dont any girls want to date me?
Can she be anymore faker in the OP pic? Fucking slut bitch.
>>27880540
everything on 4chan is fiction
>>27882317
Apart from 1 troll there is nothing in this thread that's not expected of a normal functioning adult.
Stop bein a manbaby and maybe you'll get fucked.
>>27880540
>she has "red flags"
oops misread the topic sorry OP
>he's been to jail
>He is under 5'9"
>His cock is under 7 inches
>>27883512
Enjoy watching nigger ball, and listening to nigger music at the club, you Afro-feminist dickwad, enjoy geting cucked.
>>27883670
Come downstairs sweetheart, your tendies are ready.
Big red flags:
>he's not a virgin
>he masturbates daily or more
>he masturbates to real porn
>he picks the vegetables off his burgers
>he listens to metal
>he hates "moeshit"
>he browses /pol/
>he browses /v/
>he has tattoos
>he drinks more soda than water
>he gets uncomfortable around women taller than him
>he plays League of Legends
>he's ever been the one to break up with a girl instead of her breaking up with him
>he's never comitted a crime
>he's never dated someone before
>he has dated someone before but she was Asian
>he's afraid of getting a tattoo
>he does the virgin walk
>long fingernails
>white socks every day
>he's afraid to get a motorcycle
>he only eats pizza without toppings
> he browses 4chan/r9k
>testicles that produce testosterone.
>has a penis.
>attempts to do anything with his life.
>is male
>>27882162
>unable to contribute to discussion
>this bait will be hilarious XD
Kill yourself as soon as possible
>He like to reeee about "fake gamer girls" and "nerds" despite not knowing the first thing about the girl he's talking about or her hobbies
> cisgender
> white
> heterosexual
> male
>>27881907
>>he has cheated on his ex
Never cheated in my life and women get confused or angry when i say if you have ever cheated to fuck off and not talk to me, seriously why do you think you are entitled to complain about it when you do the same
>>27883618
This one really isn't fair, ive been to prison for assault and it was entirely not my fault
>>27883710
Hey, Jessica. You should get over it. It's been years. We fucked three times and you were acting like we were married.
>>27880548
fpbp
oreganoblox
>>27883711
virgin walk? is it some "social cue" you claim to detect, because I work with dozens of women, and they all make fun of how short guys walk, I guess that is what you mean.
Also
>ever comitted a crime
Everything is legal unless they find about it, preserving the anal integrity is a must, Jail time must be avoided.
>>27883797
>he treats sex as a casual act and not an emotional bonding of two people
>he can't understand why someone would get sentimental and emotional about sex
Major flag.
>>27883781
I've never cheated on a bf before. You're just running after sluts I'm afraid.
>he thinks food never spoils as long as it's the freezer
>he thinks it's okay to eat old food that smells rotten as long as you boil it
>he thinks it's okay to eat moldy food as long as you scrap off the mold
>he doesn't wash his hands before handling food that others will eat
>he puts his grocery bags on the kitchen counter or table when unpacking
>he sticks his tongue all the way out when about to eat something
>he's straight, but willing to do gay stuff to satisfy his horniness or to get attention and not because he is actually interested in a gay relationship
>he thinks people who play "Second Life" are weird
>when out in public and he needs to fart he'll pretend to shoplift something to alert the security alarms so the loud alarm will mask the sound of his farting
>when he orders food at a restaurant and something is wrong with his order, he's too shy to ask the staff to correct his order
>his idea of hanging out is letting others decide what to do and he just tags along
>whenever he meets someone new that's female or gay, he imagines himself in a relationship with them despite the fact that a friendship has hardly been formed
>he doesn't like buying albums because "I only ever like 1 or 2 songs from an album or artist so I don't bother buying full albums"
>he can't solve basic problems using Python
>he can't watch a movie without feeling bored or sleepy
>he can't watch subtitled shows/movies because he has trouble paying attention to what's happening onscreen if he has to read
>over the age of 18 and still masturbates
>>27883831
I'm not running after anyway actually senpai, i work with mostly guys since it's IT but all the women who come in to work fixing the computers always try to talk to me, it's not that i'm not appreciative of the attention but if you want to be my gf i think cheating in the past is a deal-breaker
>>27883796
If it wasn't your fault you wouldn't have been in jail. People have trouble seeing faults in themselves, some more than others.
Unless u live in some third world shithole, in which case I'm sorry u got locked up anon.
>>27883833
>he puts his grocery bags on the kitchen counter or table when unpacking
>he can't solve basic problems using Python
>over the age of 18 and still masturbates
Fuck you too cunt
>>27883819
Sentiment is one thing.
Cannot spend an instant apart is another
>he has a small dock (I'm perfectly fine with average and so are most girls. 7" can please me perfectly fine)
>he doesn't have at least 3 close real life friends
>he doesn't know what he wants to major in
>he wears zip up hoodies
>he's overly fat or skinny
>he's too buff (Having muscle is fine but gym rats who look like Arnie are disgusting)
>he drinks his coffee black
>he listens to metal or punk
>>27883854
England, and i was driving my friend back from the pub and outside his house this guy starts kicking my car, i got out and told him to fuck off and he starts throwing punches at me.
Obviously he was too drunk to fight properly and i kept hitting him when he was out, got four years for it plus a tag for another
>>27883875
>7
>Average
Subtle.
>>27883864
Come on, anon
How can you be too stupid to use Python? That's just pathetic
>>27883864
You don't put your grocery bags on the kitchen counter because you're bringing in dirt and germs that the bag touched when it was in your car trunk or car floor. Also, it's been handled by workers and other customers when it's been in the store.
If you wipe your counter clean right afterward then it's okay.
>>27883875
i have a really big dock familo, you can dock about 12 boats in it.
be my gf, slut.
>>27883875
>>he wears zip up hoodies
how is this a flag
>>27880560
Its for women, who have nothing better to do than fantasize about bullshit. You are a man, read non-fiction text which will provide you with valuable useful information and build your knowledge base.
Open your fucking brain a bit.
>>27883796
Tell story please about how you were wrongly incarcerated.
>>27883928
>men are not allowed to have fun
kill self, famo
>>27883881
>hitting him while he was out
That's why you went to jail, you are not the kind of person I would want to live with, have some self control ffs. It sounds like you probably could have beat him with one hit but you kept going.
>>27883881
You must've fucked him up bad to get 4 years. I spent 6 months inside for affray and that was a pretty big brawl tbph
>>27883905
I just fix computers, never even tried phython because i wanted to start with C++ and it was too hard for me to learn as a hobby
>>27883918
>If you wipe your counter clean right afterward then it's okay.
Then why add it as a red flag fa.m
>>27883927
They're quintessential autism wear. Just get a pull-over, anon.
>>27882382
You are probably a failed slut. Or ugly.
>>27883943
>Just get a pull-over
that fucks up my hair
>>27883942
Fixing computers is literally playing with legos. If you can't do python, you might honestly have a mental disability.
>>27883881
>i kept hitting him when he was out,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yJn-5hpU94
>>27883937
Tb.h i thought he had a weapon in his hand and i panicked
>>27883939
I'm not really sure but he was bleeding, it was pretty dark in the car park where i was dropping him off
>>27883929
>>27883881
>>27883950
Then fix it after you put it on?
>>27883927
it depends on how it is worn and what it's worn with. it is very easy to come off as autistic wearing one though.
>>27883961
I'm whiteorignal
>>27883833
Euphoric m8
>>27883833
>python
python confirmed for memescript only women like
have you ever read the python style guide? or maybe I should say guides, it seems like there's fucking 10 of them or something
that's the moment I realized the whole python movement is a degenerate hipster cult, similar to perl with the exception that perl coders can actually program
>le idiomatic python
>>27883881
Ah so third world shithole it is. sorry you can't defend yourself :c
>>27883833
>when out in public and he needs to fart he'll pretend to shoplift something to alert the security alarms so the loud alarm will mask the sound of his farting
u wot
>>27883998
>t. Mongoloid who's too stupid to even write the beginner coding language
>>27884007
Rural england is actually quite nice really, most people are very nice, and i didn't say i was some big tough guy
>>27880560
It's just bait. Not only would the average woman not care whether or not you read fiction, they would not even realize that there are people who read nonfiction outside of school.
>>27883928
>Open your brain
>reading pre conceived fact based material
>creative thinkers need not apply
>just do what you're told
You sound like someone that got tricked by a bitter parent or boss into being miserable.
There are varying degrees between of fiction but there is some overlap between fact and fiction. Some fiction becomes true in some ways and can lead to useful discoveries.
>>27884018
I can write it I just don't like that python was used specifically here because it's a language for degenerate hipsters
https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/
look at this shit
>it's pep 8
>it's revision 5.61.21
>there's a pep 7
>and a pep 6
>and a pep 5
>le idiomatic pythonic python
plain hipster degeneracy
you're too busy doing shit like this to actually code. I bet you write feminist codes of conduct for github in your spare time
>>27884061
Prove you can write, downie
>>27884061
Phython compared to C++? say i learn phython and then move on to C would it be easier than say straight to C?
>He doesn't try to have sex on the first date.
Why would he ask me out if he were gay?
>>27884019
no you misunderstand me I wasn't questioning your ability. I am legitemately sorry your shite laws won't let you pound someone who's fucking with you and your car.
>>27884092
Python is the best to start with unless you want to be a memester and start with Scheme by reading SICP
From there you can learn C+ or ++
Never learn base C, it's useless
>>27884061
Programming noob here
Is there anything Python can do that C++ can't when it comes to PC application development?
I know the basics of both, but I only have the time to go deeper in to one, and it's only for writing scripts for personal use.
>>27884123
Ah alright, it's pretty much a nannystate in which if you are involved in a crime one way or another you get shit for it too, for example is someone breaks into your house and you hurt them, they can sue.
>>27884079
x = 5
for i in range(x):
[le memetab here]print "le idiomatic python rule no. " + i
or maybe you want my undergrad assignments from when I actually wrote it
what about you? do you know any languages besides your memepython, and do you do anything other than fizzbuzz? and if so, how can you excuse the hipster faggotry that is PEP 8?
>>27884126
Thanks senpai, ive always wanted to learn how to code even if it's just for personal use
>>27883833
Who the fuck uses python? Why don't you try some relevant languages?
>>27881971
Do you have a job anon? If not don't talk about men not owning cars.
>>27883833
>he can't solve basic problems using Python
What constitutes a basic problem?
>he thinks food never spoils as long as it's the freezer
Untrue but clearly not a very quick process. Nothing could conceivably spoil until I have to move again.
>he thinks it's okay to eat old food that smells rotten as long as you boil it
Who the fuck
>he thinks it's okay to eat moldy food as long as you scrap off the mold
Yeah if you have a moldy fruit you can cut the bad shit off.
>he doesn't wash his hands before handling food that others will eat
I cum in food others eat when presented with the opportunity. Especially vegans.
>he puts his grocery bags on the kitchen counter or table when unpacking
This isn't even a problem. Just wipe the table after this.
>whenever he meets someone new that's female or gay, he imagines himself in a relationship with them despite the fact that a friendship has hardly been formed
Ok you will never know this.
>he doesn't like buying albums because "I only ever like 1 or 2 songs from an album or artist so I don't bother buying full albums"
Depends on the album type.
>he can't watch a movie without feeling bored or sleepy
Depends on the movie.
>>27884126
>>27884159
Just a side-note; C is useful if you want to program an Arduino. That being said, I programmed an Arduino without knowing any C just using C++ knowledge, so it's not really something worth learning until you need it.
>>27884151
>literally copies shit from stackoverflow in one of the very first google results
Wow anon you sure impressed me
>>27884171
>Do you have a job anon?
Obviously. I'm not 15 anymore.
>>27884079
>prove you can write
Python is the easiest shit. Make up a problem.
>>27884194
>without knowing any C just using C++ knowledge
Well C++ encompasses C.
>>27883746
>not being able to differentiate jokes from bait
>>27884159
I think it's the python memer who replied to you but I mostly agree except that the fact that there's no reason to reduce yourself to python "to start".
you can easily start with C#, java, C++. there should be plenty of guides making this easy
and also the fact that there's no C+, he probably meant C#
>isn't black
>doesn't have a 10 inch donger
>makes less than 1 gorrilion dollars an hour
>isn't muscular
>won't obey every single word a woman says
>doesn't have a mansion
>isn't a virgin
Seriously if you aren't what I'm talking about just kill yourself no true woman will ever want you.
>>27883833
That hairstyle is awful for your huge eggforehead.
>>27884229
Thanks mate but i did download a pdf about C++ but just left it after reading a few pages realizing what a fucking idiot i am, i think if i learn how to at least recognize what code is i might be able to learn better
>>27884206
That's not an acceptable answer,
What do you do for a living / what's your qualifications.
I'm starting to question that you're a strong independent woman.
>>27884229
I recommended python to start with because its dogshit easy and can grant pretty quick results, which will help encourage him to keep going. Also I did mention he can start with Scheme and read SICP
>>27884203
link the stackoverflow that I supposedly copied from.
what you should really be saying is "wow you printed 5 lines you really impressed me" but I think you not saying that says more about you than it does about me, although you didn't even ask me to write anything specific
I don't write in python. I wrote in it, past tense, when I needed to, before I saw the cancer that is the hipster python community
>>27884256
I suck cocks for a living, better than being a fucking neet
>>27884251
>i did download a pdf about C++ but just left it after reading a few pages realizing what a fucking idiot i am
Tell me this wasn't the C++ spec.
Nobody starts reading a language spec to learn a language except for ultra-autists.
>>27884294
>The C Programming Language, 2nd Edition
>>27884275
Enjoy sucking cox then.
>>27884270
>I don't write in python. I wrote in it
Literal and unironic autism
>>27884265
well that's true but at the same time have you ever tried to teach objects and classes to someone who worked in very basic python? the "le everything is an object" meme doesn't work, when people don't even know they're working with objects they don't learn the fundamentals of what that means. they basically need to learn everything all over again
plus I'm skeptical that the indentation memeing really helps teach anyone good programming practice, what it really does is make them bad at understanding the difference between a line and statement in other languages
>clingy
>short temper
>overly critical of how you make him feel but never considers his own behavior
>no passions or hobbies
>dislike for physical activity
>lacks empathy
>need to always be right
>generally a bitter person
>can't take a joke
>racist
>>27884190
The mold you see on fruit is just the reproductive part. The mold has 'roots' inside the fruit . One of the moldy food you can eat is cheese if you cut off the outer edge that has mold.
>>27884190
>he thinks it's okay to eat old food that smells rotten as long as you boil it
Never done it, but in theory it could be fine,, depending on the food. Rot is just bacteria, so boil it to shit and it'd be safe, although I would only do it in extreme circumstances.
>he thinks it's okay to eat moldy food as long as you scrap off the mold
Definitely not okay; not all of the spores will be in large enough clumps to be visible.
>>27884229
This. I started with C++ and HTML/CSS, both are great for learning to structure your code properly. Python's memetab means you have to completely re-learn a bunch of shit when you get on to a language like C++.
That being said, habitual tabbing will make your C++ look clean as fuck.
>>27884251
Code is just a complex list of instructions for a computer based on the structure of whatever language you learn. An algorithm. Write a step-by-step guide on how to do something simple, make a coffee say; miss nothing out. That's basically pseudo-code, which you can then translate in to a programming language of your choice.
>>27883928
Knowledge != Intelligence
Reading non fiction for the sake of it is totally pointless. If you enjoy reading fiction, then you may as well do it. The only point in life is to enjoy it.
>>27884311
It's made for people who already know programming (says so at the start even). Sure, you can learn from it but you need to lower your expectations and learn to recognize what terminology they use that's language theory and doesn't actually concern C.
>>27884311
>>27884251
Anon, I'd recommend you go to /g/ and read the sticky. They have recommended books on programming and the board has a general specifically for very beginning programmers of any level where you're welcome to ask "stupid questions" you have when learning
>>27884311
Try Jumping Into C++ by Alex Allain, if you can find a torrent. It's beginner-friendly and goes right up to medium-hard mode.
>>27884336
>lacks empathy
>racist
Why is this a problem?
>>27884344
Not really, the point of life is to serve others and submit to their standards, this is the Christian point of view AND the normie point of view.
>>27884362
If you feel nothing for your fellow man and hate them based on arbitrary reasons then you're capable of love
>>27884362
>>27884344
>niggers don't realise this is a food hygiene/programming thread
>>27884350
>>27884353
>>27884361
Thanksyou guys, i think ill start to lurk on /g/ and ill see if i can find "C++ by Alex Allain"
thanks again
>>27884018
If you think Python is the "beginner programming language", you're the problem with tech today.
>>27883928
That would mean killing Imagination, women ack Imagination, If men are forbidden of it, new content would not be created, ever.
>>27884397
I'd wager there are plenty of codies lurk /r9k/ too, just in case /g/ is too up their own ass to answer noob questions. I stopped going there a couple years ago, it's basically all hardware circlejerking now.
StackOverflow has a surprising amount of noob questions answered too. Just Google your problem
>>27884342
>>27884338
>The mold has 'roots' inside the fruit
Yes. I know about that. But if you dissect the fruit you will see that it usually doesn't spread far. If the fruit is moldy enough that you can't cut off approx 50% of it without getting all the mold you're seriously considering the wrong level of mold here. All I'm saying is that no fruit is inedible simply because you spotted mold.
But regardless. If your stomach can't handle a few grams of mold fungi you're having major issues that normal people don't have.
>>27884397
My view on learning C is that you should just read k&r.
Anyway I think unless this Alex Allain book teaches the way I want C/C++ to be taught. You should probably focus on C learning materials first rather than C++ learning materials. They're prone to introduce things in the wrong order from what I've seen.
>>27884453
>Just Google your problem
Don't worry i imagine i will be doing this alot
>>27884459
Thanks for the advice
>>27884018
Just because Python is the easiest language to write
>muh porgamming homork 4 skool xD Xd xD
does NOT mean it is or should be learned as a beginner language!
C should be learned as a first language, followed by C++ or Java to learn OOP AND THEN a scripting language like Python. Fucking kids taking shortcuts these days...
>>27884453
>StackOverflow
The problem with StackOverflow is that they very often don't give the right answers to questions. They give AN answer to a question but they're not adapting their answer to who's asking. And it's not rare that they're straight up wrong if you're asking more complicated questions.
It's a fairly good resource still if you just need a quick solution for school work or whatever.
>>27884479
Free help here if you need assignment/where to begin/code structure advice.
[email protected]
>>27884514
>The problem with StackOverflow is that they very often don't give the right answers to questions. They give AN answer to a question but they're not adapting their answer to who's asking. And it's not rare that they're straight up wrong if you're asking more complicated questions.
examples?
>>27884507
>shortcuts
The point is that they're not shortcuts.
They should start with Ruby if they wanted a real shortcut.
>>27884362
Because it tells me you're only in relationships to satisfy your own needs and lack the capacity to care about anyone else's feelings but your own. I also don't want to be with someone that holds on to unnecessary hate. Hateful people in general are a major deal breaker.
>>27884514
>Free help here if you need assignment/where to begin/code structure advice.
Appreciated senpai
>>27884459
>roots
Didn't know they existed, I just meant that the fruit would probably be covered in spores that you can't see.
>If your stomach can't handle a few grams of mold fungi you're having major issues
This is true. Some people have stupidly weak immune systems due to lack of exposure these days though. And that's my excuse for never cleaning. To be fair, despite my asthma I have a stronger immune system than anyone I know.
>>27884459
I have a hard copy of the Alex Allain book right next to me; anything in particular you think might be in the wrong place? I'll find it.
>>27884514
I find that if an answer's been accepted, it's right. In my experience, the person asking the question is stupid more often than the answer is wrong. Not 100% of course, but it's reliable for anything up to moderate complexity
>>27884507
C as a first language seems sadistic
>>27880540
>he doesn't own at least 3 income producing property's.
>>27884533
tl;dr.....tl;dr.... 100percent orignal
>there are people on /r9k/ who are actually arguing for eating moldy fruit
I hope this is another pissbottles meme
>>27884528
Learning a scripting language as a first language is definately a shortcut. That's how you the kids that say
>C is a deprecated language xD
>Java is too "verbose" (because I read that on the internet)
>Why can't other languages learn from Python and just be simple!!
>>27884590
>>he doesn't own at least 3 income producing property's.
I really, really want to get into being a landlord, seems like the best way to live max comfy
>hire some faggot to do the busy work, pay him really well so he stays and keeps it going like clockwork while being happy doing it
>Get to dropin and take over some things when i want since i own the company
>literally do nothing and get tons of money to travel and reinvest in more property with
>>27884586
Learning a scripting language first is like learning how to use a calculator before you can do arithmetic by hand.
One should learn a compiled procedural language first and C is the best example of that.
>>27884567
>anything in particular you think might be in the wrong place? I'll find it.
Well basically the gripes I have is that they don't teach every inch of C before they head into C++ features. Because to further understanding properly you need that information. You can look at C++con and you occasionally find people who ask questions that show that they don't understand the basics of the language.
https://youtu.be/FnGCDLhaxKU?t=5764
This guy (person questioning) doesn't get the way an optimizer has to operate on data after a long talk where (at the start) the very basic idea of volatile memory was introduced (iirc this talk).
This is a C++ programmer and not a C programmer.
>>27884586
No it's simple enough to make sense to a new person. With python you don't know what you're doing and you're just learning logic/control flow at best. You're taught to think about code in the abstract level before you know the basics. If you learn C you will see that memory is a thing. How the computer actually does stuff with memory and that's all it does. This information is applicable at any level as long as the language allows it. And it better..
>>27884604
lrn2read
>>27884590
Nobody cares about your shitty opinions and expectations, we're discussing code and mould now.
>>27884624
Not true. If you rent a house with a landlord who's even semi-competent, think about all the shit they have to do for you (or your parents or whoever's renting it), then multiply that by however many properties they have, then add all the paperwork and taxes and insurance and mortgages and all the other shit. And if you wanna get someone else to do half of that, you need to hire an agent, who will eat in to your profits hugely.
>>27884685
Sounds like the issue is actually with knowing pointers and memory allocation, which I don't fully understand myself, despite having a natural aptitude for coding. Alex Allain doesn't introduce pointers until p.157, and I think that's because introducing them early on would discourage a lot of people, and they aren't necessary for basic scripting. How a C book would treat this matter, I don't know.
>>27884773
>pointers and memory allocation
It's good to have a basic understanding of what's going on here before one moves to a language that takes care of memory for you and uses pointers implicitly
>>27884773
>I think that's because introducing them early on would discourage a lot of people, and they aren't necessary for basic scripting. How a C book would treat this matter, I don't know.
Well the issue isn't really what page it appears but rather what's presented before it.
I think you should know pretty much everything in K&R up to chapter 7 (where some of it isn't necessary).
So maybe 150 pages out of 179 non-appendix/standard library explanation.
Pretty much the entirety of C. So the point is that I don't see how a C++ book is likely to handle it correctly compared to a C book and then a C++ for programmers book.
>Sounds like the issue is actually with knowing pointers and memory allocation, which I don't fully understand myself
Not exactly what I complained about but yes you'd absolutely need this understanding to get most C++ features in a good way.
If C++ had a defer keyword like Go. Maybe it'd be more OK not to have the pointer language. But the lack of a defer and reliance on reference counted pointers doesn't really work well.
>>27884869
Oh I absolutely agree, I just don't think it's something that should be taught before things like types or arrays/structures (just after structures I'd say).
>>27884927
If you have the time, then yeah, C then C++ is probably the best way to go. But for someone who just wants to learn C++ as their first language, spending all that time reading C before even starting on C++, then having to re-cover the C stuff in case there are any differences (a new coder wouldn't know where the similarities ended), just isn't feasible, especially since there are C++-specific textbooks written for this exact purpose.
I'm not saying you're wrong at all, just that you're not considering most of the audience; new programmers won't have the time, CS students won't have time, programmers using other languages who just need a crash course in C++ won't have time, and hobbyist programmers probably won't have the time or patience.
In this case, I think the shortcut is fully justified, to almost any end.
>>27883928
You are missing out on some of the best works ever written if you refuse to read fiction.
>La divina commedia
>Paradise Lost
>The Catcher in the Rye
>1984
Just to name a few.
>>27885043
I don't agree. The similarities end where you start learning new things in C++. It was obvious to me.
Sure if we're talking specific C versions like maybe C11 does have a lot of features that blur the line.
I don't think every beginner C++ book has to be bad. I can't just read them all and say if they are or not. If there's a more new programmer oriented C starter in the C++ book and then they go into the C++ after that that's a good C++ for beginners book.
But.. Not to be rude but I'm questioning your judgement since you said you don't get pointers. Do you only use references then?
>>27885081
but 1984 is a documentary about present-day england
>>27885116
C++11 is pretty much standard now, I don't think many people use anything else without good reason. And my point about not having the time still stands.
I think an ideal C++ book would mention the C stuff where necessary; Allain doesn't seem to, but has a full chapter explaining pointers and memory before even mentioning anything C++-specific, so I'd say that's decent enough, up to an intermediate level at least. As for the rest of C, I'm not sure if there's anything missing.
I know how to use them when I need to, I just don't understand them enough to be totally comfortable with them; I avoid them where I can. You're right to question my judgement though; since I tend to only write basic CLI scripts, I don't have any experience with larger projects. I just did a year of CS and dropped out for personal reasons, and just continued coding when I had a reason to (for example, I had a few friends over to play poker and they forgot the chips, so I wrote a program that could replace them).
>>27885081
>The Catcher in the Rye
>1984
>some of the best works ever written
18 as fuck
>he picks the raisins from his navel and eats them
>he does drugs regularly (alcohol, weeds and cigarettes too)
>he plays league of legends, dota 2 or cs:go
>he views girls like sex objects
>he doesn't learn new stuff
>he lift because of girls
>he is fat
>he doesn't eat healthy
>he has fucked lot of girls
>he doesn't know what he wants
>he is arogant
>he try to pick up girls all the timeI'm straight male but this are tings I don't like on other men
>>27885998
You're a woman. And a picky one at that. Bet you have dyed hair and put polyamorous on your Tinder.
>>27886023
>picky
Not shim but those sounds pretty reasonable to me.
>>27885998
desu this is a decent red flag list for dating too so I'd say you have good taste in men
>>27884604
Unless you're starving to death, it's better to just throw out iffy food than take the risk. Yeah it may not kill you or make you sick, but no need to take the effort to cut off 40 perfect of a moldy foodstuff just so you can nibble on the little bits that aren't moldy.
>he likes asian girls
>he likes anime
>he likes video games
>he looks at your phone
>he doesn't like partying or clubbing
>he doesn't flirt with other girls
op who dis woman?
>>27885081
>catcher and 1984 in the same league as divine comedy and paradise lost
what the fuck are you doing
>>27885135
>HELP I GOT ARRESTED FOR SAYING "FUCK THE WOGS" ON TWITTER, THIS IS LITERALLY WORSE THAN A SOVIET GULAG
We're not there just yet senpai
>>27883875
>Not drinking your coffee black
Would never be with someone pathetic like that
>>27886472
>he doesn't flirt with other girls
That's why we'd rather to be alone than with stupid girls
>>27886610
>brits are so cucked they view being arrested over saying something on twitter as ok
>>27883711
What is virgin walk?
>Beard
>Isn't a twink
>Fat
>Sexually dominant
>Arrogant
>Doesn't like anime
>Won't cosplay my fav anime bishies
>Is a manwhore
>Manupilative
Not him but
>>27885688
>>27886545
What's the matter with you? Both are excellent novels, among the best ever written. Haven't read 1984 myself, but there's a reason why it's still relevant in literary studies.
>>27887060
They are both pretty simple, fine for teenagers but most people have already gone through the "disillusioned with society/authority figures" phase by the time they reach adulthood so they tend to seek books that delve deeper into their subject/touch on other, fresher (to them) ideas
By the time food starts to get moldy, it is usually at a stage where the non moldy part doesn't taste or feel that good. Also, all because the part of the food isn't moldy, it doesn't mean that it's clean. Bacteria spreads.
>>27883833
>he puts his grocery bags on the kitchen counter or table when unpacking
wat are westerners seriously this autistic
>>27883875
>he listens to metal or punk
I HAVE NO FRIENDS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT TO DO IN LIFE SO I NEED TO LET OUT MY ANGST FOR HAVING NO FRIENDS AND BEING LOST
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
FAGGOT
>>27883928
>Open your fucking brain a bit.
You sound so insufferable. If you died I think the world would not only be no worse off, it would actually be better. People who say things like "Open your fucking brain a bit." are just dumb. There is no other explanation except that these kids are slower than the other kids. You suck, all good fiction was written by men. Fiction is not for women. Romance novels are typical for women. Women don't read epic stories like Dune. Speaking of epics, what of Homor's Odyssey? That was fiction too, are you that uncultured that your dumb brain is willing to disregard all fictional stories? Your brain is garbage dude.
>>27880540
>he doesn't pursue stoic ideals
>>27887977
Why not learning to play the bass then? You could still get that anger out and get good at something worthwhile.
>>27886628
Nobody thinks you're manly for drinking bitter water, anon
>>27887977
Then you already failed the
>he doesn't have at least 3 close real life friends
test
>>27883710
Kill yourself roaster
>>27888036
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT SOME TEST. I JUST WANT TO FUCK THE PUSSY AND KILL MYSELF
>>27888116
And that's why, short of paying a prostitute, you never will
>>27884194
>I programmed an Arduino without knowing any C just using C++ knowledge
And this is how you spot a liar.
C++ is C with additions you idiot
>>27888028
Maybe. For now I just angrily play some Black Flag and Nirvana songs on my crappy acoustic
>>27888098
How many flags described you? All of them?
>>27880548
>>27880558
/thread
oc desu
>>27881907
>tfw still friends with one of my exes
Is this a big deal? We sometimes hang out but it's not like there's anything there anymore.
>He unironically likes girls
>He's straight and calls himself a "robot"
>>27883710
>tfw I'm only 5 of these
Not too bad if I say so myself.
>>27880540
>Red flags for guys
has a foot fetish, actually enjoys anal, next step up: watches scat porn. watches rekt or visits 4chan
if you encounter someone who mrets 3 or more of these categories, you are legally obligated to put them down.
>>27883710
>>he's not a virgin
Fair
>>he masturbates daily or more
Fuck you
>>he masturbates to real porn
the fuck is 'real' porn, its all dramatised
>>he picks the vegetables off his burgers
the fuck?
>>he listens to metal
srsly, fuck you
>>he hates "moeshit"
who the fuck actually likes moeshit
>>he browses /pol/
visiting /pol/ improves your personality though
>>he browses /v/
fair enough
>>he has tattoos
its 2016, hippies even get tatoos now
>>he drinks more soda than water
yep, agree with this one
>>he gets uncomfortable around women taller than him
agreed
>>he plays League of Legends
agreed
>>he's ever been the one to break up with a girl instead of her breaking up with him
other way around mate, girl breaks up with you, your undesirable.
>>27889211
>visiting /pol/ improves your personality though
Hahaha
>>27882382
virgin males are useless.
>>27883875
>Be butthurt femanon
>hook up with 10/10 chad
>tall, muscular, blue eyes, big dick
>he drinks his coffe black
>DRINKS
>COFFEE
>BLAAAAACK
>dump him
10/10 logic roastie
>ITT: Specific things that I dont like are redflags.
>>27889211
>the fuck is 'real' porn
3D porn
disgusting, creepy, unacceptable
>>27889593
oh, right. fuck, I like that shit on the side... but I'll fap to anything erotic, including artwork
>fap once a day therefore normal shit gets boring
>uses the phrase "darwin award"
