If everyone should be equal and resources should be divided based on just being born and nothing else then we should include gorillas (as theres one with a human like iq) and maybe even these chimpanzees which are not too dissimilar to us genetically. Why don't we take the money off everyone and provide houses, food, safety and so on for gorillas as well under social welfare and if they are genetically similar and also test as sentient and intelligent (at least as intelligent as some humans) why aren't we including them and what is a legitimate argument that they shouldn't be. Just like any other situation or liberal or left thought it's environmental barbarianism is it not? Given education opportunities they would all speak sign language and be able to perform menial jobs in society.
Bump, need legit reason why this isn't considered reasonable
>>27801821
that thing looks like a demon
Boats full m8ty, only humanity gets to take the ride.
To be considered a member of the human race you have to be able to interbreed with other Humans.
>>27801906
He's your new neighbour unless you can give me a good reason why he shouldn't be
>>27802207
Damn, interbreeding. Really. Well played.
>>27802213
Because we can't ficki ficki and have children with him, or his women.
>>27802233
Yeah mang. Ooh ooh ah ah can't process cum depositories.
>>27802207
With DNA editing, they can
>>27801821
/pol/ would throw a hissy fit if we did that.
>27802437
Why wouldn't we just turn them into humans then? If we can allow them to interbreed with humans then why don't we just make them fully human?
But besides that, think about the ethical floodgates you'd be opening if you gave monkeys the ability to interbreed with humans.
Pretty soon, people would want gene editing for things like intelligence and strength. And bene editing probably won't be cheap or just doled out to whoever asks. It would seriously widen the gap between the lower and upperclasses of man.
>>27801821
They'll never be forced to grpw a bigger brain if we take care of them. We are unlikely to breed them for a bigger brain in captivity. Even if it's possible. They gotta figure out their own shit. Even if it is copying us from a distance.
>>27802437
Imagine the abomination of life that would resultyou dirty chimpfucker.
Gorillas cannot
>breed with humans
>speak any human language (signing is not speaking)
>learn a fraction of what a human can
>understand what a society is
You will argue that blacks cannot do these either, but notable black scholars prove otherwise. (Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Daniel Hale Williams, W.E.B. DuBois etc.)
>>27802779
Nah, that takes thousands of years.
Just keep them happy while execrting as little energy and resources as possible.
Gorillas aren't part of our social system. Chiefly, if a gorilla is living in the wild, then for the most part people won't bother it, while humans have a tough time living in the wild because governments claim the land and want taxes (and anyway, humans are taught to live in society). Since gorillas have basically free access to land and humans don't, the system that prevents humans from having free access has an obligation to not mercilessly fuck them. If gorillas become capable of understanding and following laws of their own accord, then maybe you'd have a point.
In practice, of course, that system DOES mercilessly fuck humans, so here we are.
>>27802835
Damn, what're the deeper meanings behind le pic?
>>27802896
It's based off of a painting by Hieronymous Bosch
>>27802836
>breed with humans
It's possible for apes to breed with humans. According to wikipedia Chinese scientists got a female chimp pregnant by a human. A human/ape hybrid would not be fertile though. We can also interbreed with gibbons, orangutans, etc
>>27802922
Is that what 4chan would be like if it were real?
>>27802977
>real
I mean a physical place
>>27802935
>According to wikipedia
There have been no scientifically verified specimens of a human/ape hybrid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanzee
>>27802935
No we cannot. It is an unverified claim. Until it has been scientifically proven and documented (which it never will be), then, like everyone else rationally assumes, we cannot.
>>27801821
because then they will breed uncontrollably and it will be unsustainable
>>27801821
makes sense to me
the question is should we include niggers?
>>27803100
Yeah, the underclasses of the new millennium is going to be primarily composed of negro and asian admixture.
>>27803151
*areplox robot
>>27803151
>asians
>underclass
>>27803050
>Until it has been scientifically proven and documented (which it never will be)
Human sperm can penetrate the oocyte of a gibbon. It's never going to be accepted because the thought of apes and humans interbreeding really slaps religion out of the water. You can't claim humans are made in the image of god and also able to knock up chimps
>>27803025
read the section on China's experiments
>>27803344
not all christfags are literal creationists
>>27803265
If you read some of the books written by contemporaries of Kalergi, some of which he undoubtedly drew influence from, you'll see that they paint the Asian man as two things: unimaginative and subservient.
He likes ordor and he doesn't think much about anything--other than that which he knows. The yellow man lacks the capacity to create anything new in their eyes, which is why it's thought that his civilization only sprung from the guidance of Aryan settlers. He hasn't got that magical spark according to men like Coudenhove-Kalergi. So he's perfect for the underclass unlike noble Whites and Jews.
>>27802987
This isn't real. Either.
>>27803498
Is it a dream, a video game, the matrix?
>>27803398
>not all christfags are literal creationists
but human/ape hybrids produce problems for even the most liberal interpretations of the bible. If we can mate with apes does that mean they have souls? What's so special about us? Christianity demands that humans be special beings separate from any other species
>>27803344
Human's cannot interbreed with chimpanzees. The section on China's experiment is not verified by any scientific data and is simply based on unverifiable claims made by a single researcher. It has been 35 years since that source said that he resumed experiments and he has yielded no results. Sounds inconclusive to me. He has no verifiable information on human-chimpanzee impregnation. Him saying that he has done it before is not verified.
>>27803483
>muh biological determinism
Fuck off with your pseudo-scientific bullshit. Culture is the most significant determinant of behaviour and culture comes from environment.
>>27803722
wrong it's the most important aspect of humanity. You are literally just a half/half rehash of your parents. If your parents are stupid you will be stupid. If your parents are ugly you will be as well
>>27803655
fair enough
>>27803722
Yep, hundreds of thousands of years worth of mental adaptation to said environments effects mental faculties in no way what so ever.
Asian people certainly can think up cool unique things and certainly aren't know for their hyper-practalism.
Masters of abstract I'm sure. But the father of the EU doesn't think so and even he was half yellow.
>>27801894
If you can't think of any reason why your hypothesis in the OP isn't retarded you might be as smart as those apes you hold so dear.
>>27803722
>muh environmental determinasism
How is your statement any less pseudo-scientific than the other?
Ignoring the role that biology plays into development is as stupid as saying that someone with low-functioning autism could become a PHD holder if only he was given the proper environment.
Granted not that the post you replied to isn't drivel but you're equally retarded.
>>27803483
>chinese were of only five civilizations to independently develop writing (others were sumerians, egyptians, harappans, and mayans)
>invented gunpowder and the compass
>some of the oldest political theory in the world
>have maintained ethnically homogeneous and orderly countries and done a better job of avoiding multiculturalism and degeneracy than the west
>>27803591
pure humans are separate beings
considering a half-ape completely human would be silly
>>27803722
And environment determines which genes are passed on.
You can't assume that there aren't any average differences between people who have grown up in different climates separated for tens of thousands of years.
>>27803948
All can be explained off by saying a Aryan upperclass was incharge, which was probably true of all of those civilizations.
Either way, Asians are part of the underclass. It was decided like a century ago by a really influential half Asian guy. Not by me.
>>27803948
>literally proving his point in your pic
>>27803980
but it does discredit the idea that we are made in the image of god
>>27804050
a half asian saying it doesn't mean it was "decided"
mixed race people often get weird inferiority complexes, especially boys born to white male/asian female couples
trying to say that every single great civilization in history was founded by white people is just ridiculous
were the mayans run by an aryan elite too?
>>27804209
i don't see how
evolutionary theory is compatible with the bible if you're willing to be open minded
Bonobos are actually are closest living relatives. gorillas are pretty far removed
>>27804305
are they closer to us than chimps?
>>27803801
>>27803808
Indeed but if your parents are smart and your culture is anti-intellectual you will be stupid. Simply having the IQ to do something doesn't mean that you can do it. Asians have the highest IQs yet they are supposedly uncreative. How? Confucianism which emphasises extreme deference to one's superiors could play a big role.
You all should read The Bell Curve by Hernstein and Murray.
https://www.aei.org/publication/an-open-letter-to-the-virginia-tech-community/
>>27803849
I said that culture was the most significant determinant not the only one. Obviously one needs the raw material to work with. A hunter-gatherer with a 150 IQ living a hard scrabble life isn't going to achieve as much as he would have if he was born in modern Western Europe.
>>27804286
It does if he was funded by a fuck ton of bankers and has a bi-yearly prize named after him.
>trying to say that every single great civilization in history was founded by white people is just ridiculous
>were the mayans run by an aryan elite too?
Some people think that, yeah. It happened in Iran, India and Egypt. It only makes sense. We know they painted their rulers lighter than they were.
>>27804323
they are a type of chimpanzee, yes. thats a rather broad category
>>27801821
We do that by protecting their habitats.
>>27804333
cont'd
If Asians really lacked the capacities that whites do why do they excel in Western countries? They actually outperform all other groups so much that they have to be discriminated against to keep them from absolutely dominating the Ivy League universities.
>>27804333
Confucianism is literally just a bunch of oncrete facts that can be applied tp everyday life.
Nothing abstract about it desu senpai.
>>27804379
They excel to an extent. I don't see an Asian Steve Jobs thinking up futuristic designs of new iphones and getting paid billions, but I do see a bunch of Asian billionaires who got that way by exploiting other Asian people and their own corrupt countries government. These would make them bad leaders.
>>27802233
>>27802922
>>27802977
>>27803100
>>27803344
>>27803655
>>27803722
>>27804333
>>27804422
nice dubs and trips pupper
>>27804343
>It does if he was funded by a fuck ton of bankers and has a bi-yearly prize named after him
So someone is right just because he had a lot of supporters?
>they painted their rulers lighter than they were
In most cultures throughout history, light skin was considered upper class because it meant you were an intellectual who stayed inside, instead of a sunburned farmer or street cleaner.
Saying Asians are uncreative automatons when there is historical accomplishments prove otherwise, and then saying that those accomplishments don't count because it was Aryans did them, just makes you sound like a parody of a white nationalist.
The weird thing is that even ultra-liberal college psychology classes characterize Asians this way.
>>27804379
>they have to be discriminated against to keep them from absolutely dominating the ivy league universities
This just means they're treated neutrally by admissions and don't get "minority points" that blacks and women need.
>>27804422
>rich asians are exploitative and corrupt
>rich westerners aren't
![29D58A4D00000578-3135256-Protection_Dylann_Roof_who_allegedly_shot_nine_people_dead_at_a_-a-1_1435173440898[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/F2Bj6Uh.jpg "29D58A4D00000578-3135256-Protection_Dylann_Roof_who_allegedly_shot_nine_people_dead_at_a_-a-1_1435173440898[2].jpg")
>>27804422
>the most successful demographic in North America isn't that great
>Here's this one white guy who didn't invent anything. He's rich so that means he's creative.
>Rich Asians in Asia aren't creative tho no questions allowed.
Okay bro.
