robots i find myself becoming more and more bitter when it comes to the idea of sex, just a minute ago i was reading an article in one of TIME magazines April publications about how people who grew up on internet porn want it to stop. but then i read this bullshit about how the people who want porn consumption to stop HAVE ALREADY OR COME VERY CLOSE TO HAVING SEX. and i haven't. how the FUCK am i supposed to relate to these fucking CHADS when i haven't gotten any. one guy said he came close but couldn't get it up because he watched too much porn and the other guy was just looking at porn on the side while he fucked "a gorgious girl i met in college" like WHAT THE FUCK. this makes me so mad robots. how do you deal with this? why are WE always singled out and not given any attention is society
They will tell a half truth
porn IS bad and can cause ED for people who are particularly predisposed to addiction
but they'll never point out that people turn to it in the first place because of a lifestyle created by women's liberation and a feminized school and work environment
>>27705965
idk senpai but it pisses me off
all the time we get to hear PORN ISNT REAL DONT YOU KNOW LIKE OMG
but never do women get told that relationships arent like they are in their shitty soaps and reality tv.
I don't think this will ever change until the entire human race reaches the endgame of Universe 25 / "beautiful ones".
Pornography is degenerate. The sooner we get rid of it the better off we'll be.
>>27706265
the whole internet is by its nature
honestly you can't be a real nationalist and also support anonymity and the world wide web.
there's many factors that have led to young men falling out of the dating scene and relying on porn
jobs are scarcer and the economy is worse, so it's a situation that favors a few charismatic alphas
most men no longer even have compensatory benefits like good income
it all comes down to being able to bullshit about your situation, something dishonest charismatics excel at and average men don't
women on the other hand have been told to never settle for less, and media teaches them relationships are supposed to be a never ceasing emotional thrill ride
we're a generation that was raised in front of computer screens rather than human interaction, so the odds are stacked further against us
If they ban porn, I'll start fantasizing about really brutal rapes in my head for masturbation.
That will show 'em.
>>27705965
Good luck getting rid of 30 percent of the data transfered on the interwebs.
>>27706278
I voted Trump. Fuck off degenerate.
>>27706636
you're not a nationalist or a traditionalist just a meme
>and also causes erectile dysfunction
You know why this is? Because girls in porn are far more attractive then the average girl the average guy is ever going to get. So of course when they see the average girl strip down and realize she isn't willing to do all those nasty things a pornstar will do then it is no surprise men can't get it up.
It's rather sad really. Average girls instead of competing with these pornstars would rather bitch. There as still women (even in porn) that refuse to swallow cum.
It's 2016
Come on you stupid bitches get with the times. This shit goes both ways.
>>27706636
hey buddy, leather club is two block's down
>>27706772
FUCKYOU
Original comment required.
>>27706265
>hurdur i'm a nazi
>i know nothing about economics
>i print money, fuck the jews
K Y S
>>27705965
i wont even lie about it, i do beleive that porn has ruined me in a lot of ways. ive seen so much of it, for so many years now, that average every day girls just dont measure up anymore. if she takes her clothes off and doesnt have a porn star body, my dick wont get hard. if she cant suck my dick like they do in videos, i dont want her. see how fucked up that is? porn has warped my view of reality so that i expect every girl to be on that level and know exactly what to do, and be a pro at it, because thats all ive ever seen in vids. if she doesnt meet that standard, i cant get turned on. so in essence my life is now destroyed.
>>27706821
Get out of that jabroni outfit
>>27706766
Fine let's asume porn makes it "fair"
What's good about that?
There people in relationships that have no sex because of that.
Even if that's fair it's still destructive as fuck.
Both parts are miserable.
Pron is the pest of our generation believe me
>>27705965
Have you ever stopped and considered that your addiction to porn might be a big part of your problem?
the problem is the incredibly fake brazzer's quality porn that seems like its filmed in an other dimension when compared with actual sex.
I only watch the finest shaky cam, amateur porn
>>27706870
What's destructive about pornography in your opinion, and why does it matter if it is? Every man and woman has a choice whether to engage with pornography or not. These people you speak about are adults and fully capable of turning off porn without needing to be forced. If we prohibit pornography with the argument that it's bad for the populace wouldn't we have to outlaw other bad things? What about fast food, cigarettes and alcohol? Aren't these things much more deadly?
male x female porn trains young men into being cucks. If you watch porn that includes a man you are either gay and/or a future hotwifer.
feminists hate it for the wrong reasons. but its one of those broken clock is correct twice a day issues.
>>27705965
If anything this board and website prove that too much pornography consumption poisons minds. Think about all the fucking weird shits who spam cuckold porn/are obsessed with feet and whatever? If they were never exposed to that kind of shit they wouldn't be the kind of miserable retarded fucks they are today.
>>27706870
No it is not. Porn is THE LITERAL REDPILL when it comes to what male desire truly looks like. Of course extreme fetishes will be repulsive to most men. But most men want to rough fuck a 10/10 hottie of all hotties. Whether she is a thicker big tit, butt blonde bombshell, whether she is a slim very pretty brunette and everything in between.
There is one constant. We men at least most of us like the most attractive women because men sexuality is more visual. Where as with women status/wealth comes above everything. Women are more liquid or chameleon like. They are more chaotic. One day she might want to be the biggest whore of all time and the next she wants to be looked at as housewife material and not shamed for what she did literally the night before.
Us men are much more reasonable here. Looking hot just about does it for when it comes to sex. Sure other things matter in relationships but when a guy who has seen the most hot women get fucked in millions of ways on screen then he looks at his maybe 5/10 girlfriend who doesn't want to do nasty porn things with him and even says last time she did anal with ex bf hurt so she doesn't ever want to do it again, what do you think a guy is going to feel?
I may be a bit incoherent with my rant here but hopefully people get my point. Most women simply do not want to compete with the hotter women. And roastie isn't just a meme. Chopped up looking gross pussy is seriously a turn off. And before you go "hurr porn isn't real" you can stfu because yes it is REAL. People really actually did fuck to make that porn. People can literally simulate that kind of fucking in their personal lives under the right circumstances.
>>27706870
the internet as a whole = porn for all aspects of real life beyond sex
4chan is converation "porn"
>>27707077
>implying they wouldn't have found something else to be miserable retarded fucks over
>>27706995
Fast food, cigarettes and alcohol are more destructive than porn.
But porn is also bad when overused, it can easily lead to addiction and make your dick limp.
If you use porn the right way, to draw inspiration from it and then try it in bedroom, then if everyone did that, no one would be making money off porn and everyone would be much happier.
What truly is the sign of how porn is destructive is when husbands prefer porn to actually having sex with their wives. It should be a no brainer, intimacy with a real person, or pathetic wanking in front of screen. Porn is just so intense visual stimulus it can lead to such bizzare ends.
If everyone knew what could porn use lead to, that should be ideal. Like everyone knows where fast food overconsumption leads to, or where cigarette and alcohol addictions lead to. With porn no one actually cares that much except the people with fucked up lives where porn use was a significantly detrimental part of it.
>>27706995
Porn is not deadly at all.
Also I never mentioned forbidding it because even if that would moraly right it would be just impossible.
All you can earn people about its dangers.
Your right about those people being adults. The problem is that at most men start out with porn in a time where they not adultes.
They watch porn before they ever had sex.
By the time they are adultes it's to late.
Especially in our society that promotes every sick fetisch as normal and Healthy.
>>27707130
arranged marriage at 16 fixes this problem
combined with literally banning ALL internet use for those under marriage age
>>27707130
>They watch porn before they ever had sex.
>By the time they are adultes it's to late.
This is a really good point. It probably a major contributer to why so many beta men exist. In the past you had so much pent up sexual energy you HAD to make something of yourself in order to secure a young wife and morally bed her. The sex was vanilla as fuck but you enjoyed more than the desensitized faggot trap fapper you get these days. You also had the benefit of making yourself respectable person who has non-degenerate sex which ends up in procreation of legitimate children which is a social good.
Not to mention how women didn't have to demean themselves in the bedroom by putting their mouth on your dick or acting like a whore. She could lie there and take it quietly and it was good enough for her husband. No pressure for her to orgasm.
>>27706995
>These people you speak about are adults and fully capable of turning off porn without needing to be forced.
Well it can be addictive like a drug. Many things can be addictive though. I find the internet addictive. Some gooks find video games so addictive that they have died while playing for too long.
I think porn is a step above most addictions though because it is such a powerful natural feeling all people have deep inside. So porn is probably a bit harder to stop viewing besides maybe drugs. I mean shit I can post porn right now and you would inadvertently see it. So many of us on here are subjecting ourselves to it even when we may have no interest at the time to see porn.
That's about the only way he was right though. Porn even if it is perhaps similar to a drug still isn't a drug. It just takes a whole ton of willpower to stop if someone is very addicted. With drugs there is serious withdrawal such as spasms of the body.
>>27706825
I hope you're not unironically implying that central banks are good for the economy.
>>27707085
But you countess examples of men saying that they where not abel to have sex with a women they are super attracted to.
It's not about the frustrated 40 year old guy who doesn't wanna have missionary with his 40 year old wife.
It about young men who can't have sex with a person they actually attracted too.
Even if she is a personal 10/10.
Redpill my ass
>>27707229
public school is equally to blame as porn.
High school literally shouldn't exist, it's state subsidized destruction of proper marriage and family. It literally delays childhood development for 4 years to insert more indoctrination. There was no such thing as a "teenager" before it was invented for marketers after WWII. 16 year olds used to be fully capable men and women.
Though I was diagnosed literally autistic and socially retarded as a kid, before I ever used porn or fapped, so I can't say that's the sole reason I am where I am.
>>27707256
they say they're attracted, but if what if they know what their actual preference is but are too ashamed to admit it outside of porn?
>>27707296
You might laugh but this is 100% true.
Prom = government sponsored fornication ceremony. It literally exists to kill the idea of young marriage
>>27707229
The thing is. I think if men and women would discover there sexlife together she wouldn't just lay there quite.
AMD he wouldn't dream about calling her a cumslut while she's chockingbon his dick.
Our parents never hat to deal with this issues.
>>27707130
>>27707229
Both of you guys make really great points actually.
Makes me realize how degenerate I am getting. The porn I saw yesterday was so obscene yet so arousing. I still think many people would have gotten curious to doing fucked up sexual things even without porn though. It's hard not to think about.
I mean imagine if you were living in a time with minimal technology. I'm sure if you were fucking a cutie with a big butt you may start thinking fucked up things you would like to do to her asshole. If not you guys then there is absolutely other men out there that would even if they didn't see anal sex before. Women's ass is meant to arouse us after all. Plus we have more intelligence then animals so curiosity would eventually get even the best of us.
>>27707336
Whst if she wants to be called a cumslut?
>>27707308
Being so deep in "preferences" that you can't even have one first time vanilla sex with the beautiful women you meet?
Your dick literally doesn't work for "normal" sex anymore and you think that's normal or not dangerous?
Are you sure that's how it should be?
>>27707408
who cares? its just sex. and some people are obviously not as open to vanilla sex as they think they are
>>27707256
>>27707308
Bingo my friendo.
I think many guys and girls to even are a bit ashamed at times to admit just how fucking shallow they are. I mean I"m very shallow myself. I've been in a situation before where I found a girl to be too gross looking for whatever reason so I couldn't get it up. Meanwhile I can sometimes walk by a hot girl at the mall or something and get boners as I turn around to stare at her. Then I realize I better not get a boner here because that shit would be awkward to walk around like that.
So it absolutely is this. I guarantee if you gave these guys a girl as hot as in the porn they like they will get a boner within seconds.
I quit porn and i'm a 31KHV committed to lifelong chastity. I am not a Chad.
Time Magazine just report on "contemporary culture", and usually they're very late on this shit, I mean nofap is very old.
If you want to get upset by something, get upset over France banning prostitution.
>>27707382
there's no escape without realizing the INTERNET AS A WHOLE is the problem and at this point it's nearly impossible to give up just porn without throwing away your computer for good.
you can fix addiction but you can't fix the memories from your childhood, it's impossible. Maybe celibacy is the only way. I've seriously considered dropping my whole career as an engineer to go farm some land, or become a monk.
>>27707382
Well that's true but only to an extend.
I saw an interview with an old whore on TV where she said that 20 years ago the most kinkiest thing men asked for was a blowjob.
Now days she said it's getting more and more brutal and abnormal.
You don't think diaperplay and traps where a lot on men's mind in the 80?
>>27707336
>I think if men and women would discover there sexlife together she wouldn't just lay there quite.
The ultimate redpill is that women mold themselves to please men. 9/10 women biologically speaking are not driven by sexual pleasure. There is always the occasional high-t whore (mostly non-whites) but sex for women was traditionally something to be endured as part as her duty as a wife. After the first few kids it was perfectly normal for sex to taper off to once in a blue moon without complaint, and if they guy was a real horn-dog he would have a discreet mistress.
The female orgasm was considered a myth until the 20th century and there is a substantial number of women who can't orgasm and have to fake it because modern men expect porn stars in bed.
>>27707384
Only 0,1% maybe would.
Having pleasure from your partner humiliating and degrading you is not a sing of mental stability.
>>27707515
nobody who has used the internet as a child is mentally stable .
not one.
the internet itself destroyed civilization
>>27707443
OK.
Do you think that was in issue 30 years ago?
Who cares is btw the people who are talking about.
These men want to have a normal sex life. They want intimacy.
And the women are obviously unhappy too
>>27707488
Hardcore BDSM, orgies, homosexuality, etc are 10,000 years old.
Transexualism, sissies, cuck etc are all psychological responses to the rise of feminism and hypergamy.
>>27707529
Civilization is overrated. Especially if we can't use the best fruits of it without turning "mentally unstable" or whatever anti-porn naggers are calling it
>>27707562
>the world as we know it overrated
pants on head.
>>27707552
>These men want to have a normal sex life. They want intimacy.
>And the women are obviously unhappy too
I honestly don't give a shit about them. Why do you? Are you a social worker?
Porn is degenerate at best and rape at worst.
>>27707577
the world as we know is 99% simple minded animals going about their business without a single thought.
>muh humanity
big deal.
>>27707554
Your right to an extend again.
It was totally a thing and there is numerous proof for that in history.
BUT not for the majority of people. Not as part of the mainstream.
That's the difference
>>27707499
this went along with arranged marriage being acceptable. It's inherently un feminine for women to have to go out and date, let alone cohabit with partners before marriage. Romantic love itself is basically a lie , especially the "love at first sight" pushed by the media.
True love can last decades in an arranged marriage between two people who don't even know each other at first. The parents really know best a lot of the time. And really it was arranged marriage that ensured that there was no hypergamy
>>27707588
Then stay out and let those who do give a shit handle it properly.
>>27707588
You sound psychotic. I am not him but its a bit rich to shit on women for being poly sluts but saying fuck the ones that want to go back to traditional roles and expectations. Women like myself are completely cut off from both sides with attitudes like that.
Porn deserves to exist. For those individuals who can never get real sex, I think they're entitled to some kind of relief. It probably staves off a lot of permavirgin men from raping honestly. Also probably prevents a lot of people in relationships from cheating.
That said, I used to love porn, but it HAS given me ED problems every once in a while. I didn't want my marriage to fall apart because I was waking it so much, I couldn't even fuck my wife so I quit watching porn. I still enjoy it occasionally when she's on her period or I'm out of town, but that's it. Ever since I've quit, I actually feel a lot happier. I find normal women WAY more attractive and get diamonds for my wife again. It's given me so much confidence to let it go. Porn is a relief sometimes, but if it means taking IRL sex away, then it isn't worth it.
>>27707588
I have that problem myself.
That's why I care.
It's such a big battle in my life.
I'm loosing it btw. Loosing my wife.
>>27707632
oh Im sorry, is complaining about it on a Cambodian finger painting board "handling it properly"?
>>27707646
those men would be married if there was no :
- public school
- consumerist / work obsessed urban society
- romance and dating as we know it today.
And in the past, the few who really did end up celibate for life could become monks and such and do great things.
>>27707476
>it's nearly impossible to give up just porn without throwing away your computer for good.
I would say it's impossible. Many jobs require you to type out a resume. Many jobs have online applications now.
>you can fix addiction but you can't fix the memories from your childhood
I agree but thankfully I wasn't watching the gross porn back then. It was an escalation through out the years. I see a hot girl and I'll still be able to get it up even without watching the fetish stuff though. I guess it's just a preference.
>Maybe celibacy is the only way.
Nah man it's not. If I got laid a lot more I would be far happier.
>>27707488
>Now days she said it's getting more and more brutal and abnormal.
I suppose this is true but I was never old enough then to see for myself. I do enjoy brutal porn myself so I guess I got problems.
>>27707613
>BUT not for the majority of people. Not as part of the mainstream.
But how do you know this? If there are graffiti from Ancient Rome showing prostitutes doing DP, these were very likely visible even to children. We simply have no way of knowing what "the majority of people" were doing\fantasising about sexually, especially because society always worked to repress this stuff in the past.
I know personally that even as a prepubescent child I had fantasies of things sexually that weren't "vanilla", and I'm not a sex monster. I know that young girls of 12+ like the idea of blowing and swallowing sometimes.
Before visual porn really exploded online, there was lots of written porn including highly detailed snuff novels, and people still write these. It comes from human imagination, just as porn comes from the human imagination.
I say all this as someone who now avoids porn and sees it as destructive to me, but not for the reasons you're outlining.
>>27707646
What stops you from falling back in to consuming a lot again after you do it occasionally?
That's my biggest problem. If I do it once again it ends with my sneaking in bathrooms at work and at home 4 times a day.
>>27705965
>god porn is so horrible
>why won't these men go back to real women so they can be manipulated by sex
>why won't these negroes willingly come back to the plantation?
"nofap" is roastie trickery
>>27707671
You make a lot of sense, can I subscribe to your newsletter?
I am for public school up to puberty. Its good to at least have literate children with basic math and reasoning skills but yeah no need for Jr High and above. People shit on high teen pregnancy and drop-out rates but no one considered that these girls are just following their evolutionary programming and the institution is causing the real harm.
>>27707721
I seriously think not owning a PC might be a good idea.
I can't really do this now though because I'm in grad school for a computer related subject, which is why I'm seriously considering dropping out of society altogether to live off grid sometime soon
>>27707671
>- public school
I like the idea of a baseline of literacy for all. Do you have another proposal?
> consumerist / work obsessed urban society
I feel like this is in its death throes right now, but we'll see. It's a shame it will probably die only shortly after my life is over...
> romance and dating as we know it today
kind of vague - are you suggesting arranged marriage, or is the modern romance intrinsically shambles because of the previous points?
not sure what most monks did really, besides generally copying texts and working as scribes for officials
>>27707499
Nah I guarantee most women get sexual pleasure. They have a clitoris.
>>27707686
Your right I can't really proofy point.
I just know the environment my parents grow up. (Siberia)
My mum's best friend thought babies com from kissing when she was 17.
I don't think they new what gang band and DP is.
You can't make conclusions from the ruling class sexual behavior to the majority bof simple people in any centery but this
>>27707754
I'm suggesting arranged marriage to some degree (not forced like Muslims, but parents need to play a role again in introducing partners). The whole obsession with romance is very recent (only about 150 years old). And in non modern Western cultures marriage is seen like a job, just something you have to do, not something you do for feels.
>>27707554
Dropping the facts anon. Great job.
>>27707721
Not the guy you're talking to. It is possible to use the internet without porn.
I have a system of controls to prevent me from viewing it.
No Safari on my iPhone. Eenable restrictions, remove it, and put away your restrictions passcode somewhere it'll take effort to get to). You can download 'child safe' browsers for iPhone and I assume android. Personally I haven't done this, instead I set up my restrictions code, and forget it, but not before I create an elaborate maths formula which I then store on my phone in an image file, so that if there's an 'emergency' where I need to access the internet while I'm out, I can do it within 5 minutes or so - the 5 minutes successfully acts as a barrier to sudden porn urges.
On my computer I have leechblock and a system of parental controls set up so I can't just immediately uninstall the filter. I have an inclusive permissions list, so only certain sites are viewable.
>>27707754
And as for school, home or small community schools (SAME SEX if outside the home) are the way to go up to around 13-14
but then actual training/apprenticeships in trades is far better except for those who actually have what it takes to go to university for things where college is actually important.
>>27707751
Funny I consider this to.
I was on vacation in Russia at my grant parents house.
It was a great time.
Fishing, sport, friends cooking.
I don't remember feeling so free for a long time.
>>27707834
I don't have family in a rural area at all really, I grew up and live in NYC and am moving to a suburb of Washington DC for my job in the summer. I used to vacation in the mountains upstate as a kid though.
I also know though that I'm autistic and would die if I were to REALLY try to the extremes of "off grid" and I don't want to disappoint my parents and end up wasting my whole engineering degree.
>>27707773
yeah, I think I'm aware of that. the thing is clit stimulation is not a "good" orgasm for a woman. its basically an undeveloped penis.
its not naturally stimulated during sex because its so high up, you have to agressively rub the shit out of it while getting fucked but you could just as easily do the same thing while not being fucked.
the g-spot is the calpers gland and is once again an undeveloped male part (prostate). I guess this is more natural because you can stimulate it through vaginal with the right shaped dick but a huge chunk of women don't develop enough for it to work. The high-T squirters are the exception.
Both types of orgasms take practice and really kinky shit to easily get a woman off, we aren't built like men and despite what feminists will tell you we don't have the same sex drive by a long shot. Its 9 women pretending to match the 1 whore.
>>27707823
Thanks man.
Are you currently in a relationship?
I have an Android system? Do I have the same options?
Do you think it will ever get easier? I just don't know if I can life like that. It in the back of my head 24/7
>>27707900
I've wondered before if most women can only orgasm from clit stimulation in the past few decades because of hormones in the environment masculinizing them.
>>27707881
I'm not suggesting to become an eremit.
This expirence just showed me how my life could be.
I only need to stop internet and I should be able to do it. I'm just not strong enough.
Killing your career for this is to extreme. There has to be another way
>>27707901
I'm not in a relationship and don't plan to be. I'm happy remaining a virgin, but I'm quitting porn completely.
I think it'll get easier because there are enough nofap guys to encourage new software to be build that works to filter this. What I'm really looking forward to is better filtering software that can detect a porn image or even suggestive images at any point and block them from view, the system I have set up still involves a lot of restriction.
The programs that already exist are pretty good, though. Leechblock is an addon for firefox that you can use to ban certain sites at certain times (or all the time), or it can ban everything and only allow sites you've listed. You can also block certain sites like 4chan for say 6 days a week, but enabled on 1. This can help you avoid wasting a lot of time, while still allowing you to do something you enjoy. If you're going to continue going to 4chan, you can also set your browser to stop loading images automatically (there might be a 4chan setting for this too?), and it can also help to set your monitor to black and white, I've found I'm less likely to be 'triggered' by porn if the image isn't in colour. Sounds crazy but the colours of HD porn have a huge triggering impact on me.
>>27707900
I can confirm the sexdrive statement.
I think female sexdrive is really the opposite of male sexdrive.
The more sex I have the higher my sexdrive.
But if I don't have sex I lose interest in sex very quickly. (In a couple months).
So do my friends.
>>27707721
What keeps me from falling back is the shame of having ED. When I have gotten ED in front of my wife (I'm only 29), it's been some of the most shameful/emasculating experiences I've ever had. It always makes us both feel really insecure and unattractive and puts an emotional wedge between us that usually lasts for a day or 2. Every time it has happened, I always secretly knew it was because I had jacked off to porn too close to actual sex time.
Avoiding the crushing shame of ED is what keeps me from ever falling back into that life. I know I won't be affected if I do it occasionally though, so it generally happens about once or twice a month. Masturbating to more realistic women helps too.
>>27707960
I know I'd never be strong enough to quit the whole internet since I have deeper problems since even before I used the internet. Plus I can replace porn with other addictions like 4chan as a distraction. And even for things that are productive like programming, diy shit, I need the internet to learn that stuff too. And My whole job will be computer centric.
if I did quit it I'd need to radically change my life and drop the career too. But at the same time I know I'm not gonna suddenly give up the only area I've built career worthy skills in.
>>27706197
This,
/Thread
Discussion should of ended here desu.
>>27708037
it's much different if you're married.
There's not the same motivation for someone like me who has legitimate autism (as in, as a kid I even had trouble telling apart people's faces in movies, and had to practice nonverbal learning explicity and learn it rote), because though I'd love a wife I know I'd not be a proper father (let alone any potential genetic issues)
>>27708019
I know that feel. I can have a crazy vacation where its regular enough to keep me in the mood and I am good to go every day but if I was single I would pretty cash in my car for catfood and be done with it.
I can't speak for everyone but for me sex is path to male intimacy, whereas for men intimacy is the path to female sex. Its pretty sad.
>>27708016
May I ask what made you stop watching porn if not a woman?
My wife's tears are what made me realize how bad it was eventually. Almost loosing my job didn't woke me up.
I would still watch porn if it wouldn't be for her.
Those add ons have the problem that I can still download another browser in less than a minute.
It doesn't help that my sex drive is immens since I'm 16
Lmao I'll never have sex
I'll never get why people want to repress sexual desire.
>>27708125
>wife
>16
wewlad. India? Just fuck your wife goddamn.
>>27708172
did he make a typo? probably 26
>>27708160
Because I want to be a person, not an animal.
>>27708037
I can go through with it about two days after every confrontation we have.
But as soon as she seems to be happy again and the topic is not to recently i fall back. Every.fucking.time.
I'm considering just getting a divorce and jerk off until they kick my out of work
>>27708125
>May I ask what made you stop watching porn if not a woman?
I would spend entire days edging to porn, wasting away my life, and I've always known that porn has been destructive to me physically. I try to avoid fapping too, but the porn was really bad. I lost interest in everything else, life became grey in all areas. When I'm doing noporn, life is actually good and I enjoy it. The "your brain on porn" video lists many of the reasons I quit. I'm not a male feminist and my personal life experience fits with >>27706197 , I only started on porn because real life situations involving women made me depressed.
>Those add ons have the problem that I can still download another browser in less than a minute.
As I said, I have an inclusive ban list. So I can't visit any site to download a new browser. I also only access my computer through a user account (the admin password is put away somewhere it'll take effort to get to, it's not impossible and would take about 10 minutes of work - but that 10 minutes is sufficient delay for most of my urges to subside or for logic to kick in) with parental controls enabled, so I can't install new software.
>>27708046
Maybe you try the blocking programs the other guy was takling about?
Shouldn't be a problem for you to manage that
>>27708241
it will never work, I'm a computer engineer and would get around it easily and put in the effort to do so.
It's either finding something better to do (even if it's shitposting or vidya) or not having private internet access at all (like going to uni all day to do work).
I'm not like the guy above who spends all day doing nothing else, at this point only once every 3-4 days.
>>27708172
I'm 23.
I have a very high sex drive since I'm 16.
Sorry, it's the english.
>>27705965
>have... come close to having sex
kekaroo, Chad = Close to sex now I guess
>>27708226
Respect for realizing that so early.
I'm gone try your suggestion thanks
>>27708226
>I would spend entire days edging to porn
Not that guy but what were you watching that you would edge to porn?
I have an addiction to but I can't stop. Last night I saw this hot scene with a pretty russian blonde having sex with 4 spic niggers in very degrading fashion. They treated her like a dog (literally) and fucked her in all holes including ass to mouth. They made her drink not only their cum but their piss twice. She even drank her own piss.
This is basically what I edge to a lot. I can't ever see myself stopping since I been getting off to this for so long. I mean I can still watch more normal porn and fap but it's just not a preference. I usually want to watch the fetish stuff since I like it.
I can't just throw away the PC though. I need it.
>>27705965
I want to stop my porn viewing coupled with masturbation.
I used to masturbate to mental pictures of women,
I can't do that anymore,
scared of the damage I am doing.
>>27708423
Maybe go outside to public places to use internet
if you go to college this is a good option. Unless you're an exhibitionist you shouldn't end up looking at porn.
honestly for me the worst fetish stuff came as early as 12-13 from STORIES rather than videos. This is possibly worse than just a normal escalating porn addiction because it involves memories and imagination
Recently got into virtual reality using my Google Cardboard. I must admit, it makes me feel less lonely. But I think getting a girlfriend would also make me less lonely.
>>27708423
I would edge to all sorts of porn, a lot of it messed up and degrading.
If you haven't watched the "your brain on porn video", do it. It's only an hour or so long, it's not very entertaining or pretty but it's worth it. One of the points they raise is that when you're fapping to something that's 'novel', you get a bigger dopamine hit, when it's SHOCKING in some way or elicits a bit emotional response of some sort - the dopamine hit is bigger. So shocking, degrading stuff is more likely to get you off. It's that simple.
In my experience if you go without porn for a while you stop desiring to see stuff like that.
>>27708467
Well for me I appeared to sort of cap out since my mid teen years towards fetish similar to my previous post. I know I shouldn't watch such sick porn but it's so hot that I don't want to stop. It is way too arousing.
I need to just try and do more busy work so I can get my mind off of it. Maybe just watch once every month and perhaps I will be fine.
Once I get the urge I just fap. It takes about 10 minutes max. I tired to stop completely and it just got worse as I got hornier.
I realized I probably should not overthink masturbation and just be done with it once the time comes. Anyone got that pic with the guy not giving a fuck after fapping ?
Of course having a hobby and a life helps.
>>27708037
Off and on ED in men is not uncommon at all, porn makes us think you have to be rock hard during all moments of sex. I'm 30 and I've lost a hard on while actually banging, it's not ideal but your wife and you need to be able to talk about it.
Honestly it's insanely more
Common than you know. If you lose an erection during sex don't sweat it.
>>27708502
>In my experience if you go without porn for a while you stop desiring to see stuff like that.
I tried but it doesn't work for me. It made me crave it more. In fact there was this one time I went to the gym and I saw her hot jiggly ass bouncing while she walked on the treadmill. I decided to bike behind her and suddenly I stated fantasizing about her fucked by a bunch of niggers. I mean don't get me wrong I absolutely would have wanted to fuck her myself to.
I feel that even though I jerk it to sick fetish porn I still get boners very easy though. I don't know if it is because perhaps my fetishes aren't degrading enough but I can't see how it's not.
>>27705965
Yeah seriously, those people are just self-spoiled-rotten. Just because they practiced ZERO control over their dick means the rest of us suffer? Fuck no.
Also, maybe women should actually, you know, compete with porn? Why don't women watch porn and find out what men like about it and do the same stuff?
>>27706238
Funny because you just described the plot of Don Jon. I know /r9k/ would instantly dismiss it as a movie about Chad but it's really a movie about a guy who talks about this exact subject, how porn is better than actual females and females hate porn but expect fantasy relationships too.
>>27708502
Also this is still stupid but something I got into was streaming games with my friends on livestream. Since it captures the desktop, it makes sure everything I have on screen is on public display to 5 or more people. Obviously it's still a waste of time but I do study and work quite a lot in the rest of my life, I'm not a worthless neet
>>27705965
LOL, I told my psych that I fap 12-15x per day
He said I was gonna get ED and "not be able to perform when the time comes with your partner"
Boiiiiii, did I laugh
I'm never gonna have sex with anyone, so who cares if I beat the life out of my dick.
>>27708610
>Why don't women watch porn and find out what men like about it and do the same stuff?
Because the shit you see in porn is humiliating and painful. That's why the only people willing to do it are people who only do it for money.
>>27706855
Okay what does the pornstar do to be on "that level" did she go to special Sex School and learn a skill no other women can easily reproduce? It's not like women can't do all the things a porn star does.
The pornstar actually thinks about how to pleasure a male and gives the male things he wants, it's sad they're we're not allowed to expect that in sex either. Our job apparently is to do all the physical work while she sits there like a dead fish.
>>27708606
Beyond the issue of porn itself, I can't help much. I think it's important to make a distinction between noporn and nofap.
Nofap might be ideal, but the porn is what really damages you - it's the hyperstimulation, we're literally the first generation ever to have 1080p\4k High-Definition porn available 24/7. Edging is much worse than a simple fap because the edging can mean hours of dopamine stimulation rather than just a single hit. So if your sex drive is that bad, allow yourself a weekly or fornightly fap or whatever time suits you, to release tension...and don't feel guilty for fapping occasionally. Guilt only increases neuroticism which makes it harder to quit.
In the first few weeks after starting noporn or nofap, you're going to be under more stress because your brain is crying out for those hits of dopamine. You'll look for various excuses, you'll become emotionally frustrated, etc. Your brain takes time to reconfigure and it's going to do anything it can to get you back to that source of easy pleasure.
But also make a mental rule for yourself that if a sexual thought arises, you recognise it as a sexual thought, and then direct your attention elsewhere. Once you actually maintain a mental rule like this, it becomes much easier not to get carried away.
>>27707075
I will never, ever, ever, ever understand this retarded logic. "Watching Porn=Being a cuck."
I watch porn because I imagine myself as the pornstar, not because I like watching HIM. Why do you think there is so much POV porn? They hardly show the male because it's about self-insertion for most sane guys.
>doing nofap
>also reading Lolita right now
You wouldnt believe how hard that shit is and no I cant just read something else because the book is fucking good and I want to read it
>>27708689
>Okay what does the pornstar do to be on "that level" did she go to special Sex School and learn a skill no other women can easily reproduce?
Here's the thing: porn is a production.
There is time between the shots you are seeing. People go jerk off, then wait until they're hard again. Women use shit-loads of lube you never see. And all of it is done in positions that, frankly? Are often pretty uncomfortable. And just like every other action you perform, you get better at it as you perform it more often. There isn't a special school but sure--you blow thirty different guys in a professional setting and you'll get a hell of a lot better at it than someone who has only blown a couple and whose partners certainly weren't willing to provide critique.
>>27708721
Not the guy you're responding to, but it doesn't matter whether you self-insert or not.
What is the difference between sitting in a bedroom and watching two strangers fuck, and watching it on a screen? Practically zero.
If someone is regularly fapping to watching another man and a woman together, and experiencing the most intense sexual pleasure while doing so - it seems possible that he could end up 'training' himself to like watching other guys with girls.
>>27706929
>I only watch the finest shaky cam, amateur porn
Patrician
>brazzer's quality porn that seems like its filmed in an other dimension
Perfect
>>27705965
No. Time magazine is trying to legalize prostitution. That's what it was doing the last time I saw it
>>27708786
the whole internet is like this in a way honestly
we're all training ourselves by lurking to enjoy watching other people talk to each other and live through their lives
>>27708721
>two black guys splitroasting a girl
what POV you think you are?
>>27708700
>Edging is much worse than a simple fap because the edging can mean hours of dopamine stimulation rather than just a single hit.
Well I like to do this because the eventual nutting feels much better then simply doing a 1 minute fap.
>don't feel guilty for fapping occasionally. Guilt only increases neuroticism which makes it harder to quit.
If I was more into vanilla porn I wouldn't feel guilty. I also don't like imagining hot girls I see out in public doing crazy porn things. It makes me wonder if I'm willing to fantasize about this stuff even to the point where I fantasize about random pretty girls doing this what would happen if I dated a girl and had sex? Am I going to fantasize about her doing that to?
I have tried nofap a couple times but noporn is much harder. Unless I avoid even this site it is very hard to avoid porn. I think longest I gone in the past few years is maybe a week or two at most with no porn.
I am serious to anon. I can see a girl like pic related and even if I want to fuck myself I do also fantasize about girls like this or one I actually see in real life getting fucked by niggers. Always in degrading ways to like they choke the girl or pee in her mouth, rough fuck her ass, etc.
I wonder how common this fetish is. To me it feels just so perverted and sick.
>>27708786
>it seems possible that
Yeah... human psychology doesn't actually function according to the rules of "what I can rationalize as theoretically possible consequences." Less "seems possible," more "evidence," please.
>>27708610
Women can not compet whit porn for s simple reason.
There on person. Not 100000.
It's the new scene that's truly arrousing.
I snapchated with really average chicks and they where way less attractive than my wife.
The where also less kinky and special.
But there where many of them. And I always needed new ones.
>>27707336
Did you have a stroke there, anon?
>>27707085
>Porn is THE LITERAL REDPILL when it comes to what male desire truly looks like.
This is a good line of thought, I agree. It's the TRUTH. The bare, literally naked truth. It shows that people think with their eyes, girls like muscular guys and get turned on by rough fucking.
>Most women simply do not want to compete with the hotter women.
This is true too. Women are natural socialists, they don't want competition and they want hand outs without putting effort into it, while still maintaining complete control over the resources. Since women use men for material gains, they see porn as chopping into their market share where they control him through his dick. Porn liberates man from female sexual manipulation.
>>27707468
>I think many guys and girls to even are a bit ashamed at times to admit just how fucking shallow they are.
Hell I'd say not ashamed, just embarrassed,because being "shallow" is "wrong" so they automatically do what normies always do continue doing the wrong thing but trying to convince everyone else they're not.
Also this made me think, how many of these guys are Christians or from Christian homes? Who have a natural "sex is icky and bad" mentality in the first place? I honestly think most "no-fap" shit is just Christian/religious shaming of anything sexual coming up in a new form. So of course they just lie and say porn is ruining instead of realizing or admitting their shallow and horny monkeys too.
>>27708995
>Also this made me think, how many of these guys are Christians or from Christian homes? Who have a natural "sex is icky and bad" mentality in the first place? I honestly think most "no-fap" shit is just Christian/religious shaming of anything sexual coming up in a new form. So of course they just lie and say porn is ruining instead of realizing or admitting their shallow and horny monkeys too.
This is a feminist thing to say. It's feminists who want you to be weak and fapped out.
Porn liberates men from female sexual manipulation, as you said earlier. What you're missing is that porn itself is to some degree a form of female sexual manipulation. Every pornstar you watch is getting wealthy by exploiting male sexuality. Much of the porn industry is female (actually, over half of non-actress employees in the industry are female).
Literally nobody in the nofap community argues for porn being banned, or for shame. The vast majority of nofappers grew up in a culture without shame or strong religious feelings over sex. A huge part of nofap are normie guys with girlfriends who want to fix ED, or normie guys who want to pursue pussy with more energy.
Just get out with this bullshit misrepresentation.
>>27708995
>This is a good line of thought, I agree. It's the TRUTH. The bare, literally naked truth. It shows that people think with their eyes, girls like muscular guys and get turned on by rough fucking.
Yep as I said. One day she claims to want the "nice" caring guy then the next she wants the alpha male to fuck her brains out. They are like chameleons as I said. Like liquid as I said. They have no solid foundation to their thinking. They need a container (to be controlled).
>
This is true too. Women are natural socialists, they don't want competition and they want hand outs without putting effort into it, while still maintaining complete control over the resources. Since women use men for material gains, they see porn as chopping into their market share where they control him through his dick. Porn liberates man from female sexual manipulation.
Well said. Women have a princess/queen type of attitude. Where they want to be worshiped and want the power to get anything they want without effort. This definitely includes sex as well. They only want the top men though.
>>27708995
I don't understand people like you.
There obviously people who struggel with porn.
You're not one of them.
Somehow you still think you know everything better, bring up Christianity Wich has nothing to do with the topic and shows that you didn't put any effort in to understanding what the issue is about.
It's not about shame or religion.
It about people destroying there relationships over internet videos!
>>27707229
>Not to mention how women didn't have to demean themselves in the bedroom by putting their mouth on your dick or acting like a whore. She could lie there and take it quietly and it was good enough for her husband.
You have the absolute shittiest opinions on this subject. Imagine a world with not even blow jobs... This is what makes people get divorced in the first place, before porn was even a thing. Blow jobs and anal and different kinds of sex have existed since THE DAWN OF MANKIND. Our earliest civilizations have depictions of oral sex, on the vases of Greece, on the walls of Hindu temples, in the figures of the Mayans...
Again, I'm sensing Christfag logic here. You're not allowed feel physical pleasure at all, according to this anon. It only became "degenerate" when they arbitrarily decided it was. And I'm of the belief they did that because of normal human jealously too.
>>27709186
that was the world for everyone only about 60 years ago
even in the "free" united states EVERY SINGLE STATE had sodomy laws.
of course they weren't enforced except for fags buttfucking in public and the like most of the time, but they existed and were part of the cultural climate.
I'm no model Christian but people like you make me actually start to realize that Christianity was right.
>>27708995
Of course Christians are shallow as well. All men unless they seriously have something wrong would want attractive girls like the one you posted or this one I posted. In truth it's just common sense.
>>27707296
The only reason you're smart as a species if because of "delayed childhood development" the dumbest creatures on earth take no time at to go from infancy to sexual maturity and it's why their stupid too.
Man did things different, took care of his kids longer and longer and each generation got more and more smarter and capable of adapting to the point where we became the dominant species on the planet. So there is nothing wrong with delaying childhood, what you're saying is literally inhuman and it's going backwards. Although I agree the education system is fucked, but not for the reasons you're stating.
>>27707330
That though... I'll give you that.
>>27708995
>Porn liberates man from female sexual manipulation.
>believing this
nope
it doesn't, it makes you a slave to your sexual desires
>>27708865
>Well I like to do this because the eventual nutting feels much better then simply doing a 1 minute fap.
Is this true?
>>27707499
>9/10 women biologically speaking are not driven by sexual pleasure
Gonna call BS on this considering that everything they do has an underlying sexual connotation to it. She only choices sexually attractive partners and she herself is primarily concerned with being attractive.
Women just straight up lie about it is all.
>>27707773
Fun fact: The clitoris has more nerve endings than any part of the human body, both male and female, literally the most sensitive organ any human can have and they keep getting more and more nerve endings too. Meaning the ones who want sex the most are the ones passing their genes on and making hornier women each generation. They're winning when it comes to sexual pleasure seeking, that's for sure.
>>27707077
i can't get over my addiction to wanted to be loved by a real girl, instead of fabricating a relationship with a 2D one. am i degenerate?
>>27709399
>>falling for pop-science feminist clit propaganda
I honestly think female sexual pleasure from men is mostly psychological, as well as absorbing the hormones in semen
>>27705965
After years of nofap, literally only having fapped once before, I suddenly fell down a spiral of porn and masturbation. Like, it's only been a month and a hlaf, and I feel like this is gonna ruin me in tha long run.
If you have the chance to lose the addiction, run, run as fast as you can.
>>27708160
It's projecting their problems onto other people.
>"I can't control myself or feel irrationally ashamed therefore everyone else has to not have this thing they enjoy! BECAUSE MMMMMEEE!"
>>27708201
A person IS an animal. You are a damn monkey regardless if you belief it or not. You have a desire to reproduce and mush as you have a desire to eat food.
Imagine this logic applied to food "A lion can't control itself from eating when it hasn't eaten in days so I don't want to feel like an animal so I'll starve myself to death!"
And us being a different kind of animal means we can control and regulate our own desires too, but fuck that it's all or nothing apparently.
>>27709563
>>only fapped once ever
are you under 18? I can't even concieve of any 4chan user in this situation unless you are deeply religious, or married young and had regular sex
>>27708668
Cool, so when I tell her I can't eat her pussy because it's "humiliating and painful." I'm sure she'll complete 100% understand be okay with it.
>>27705965
>why are WE always singled out and not given any attention is society
Because the economy is designed around pandering to women and a woman has one asset they must over-inflate in order to have value in society: the sex act. This is why so many women are against porn or anything that lowers the value of the sex act. This is also why women are responsible for the huge relative rise in age of consent around the world not long after they got the vote and also why the young female (read: girls) victims of online harassment online are almost always targeted by older woman.
Without over inflating the value of pussy, women have absolutely no means to ply society into pandering to them. It's the same old gynocentrism that the cancerous tradcons want but being used from a different angle.
>>27706265
Eat shit and die you pathetic blue-pilled white knight tradcon.
>>27705965
Dude, I saw some dumbfuck here trying to defend porn the other day.
Stop this shit.
Porn is bad. If you defend porn, YOU are bad.
End of discussion.
>You have been BTFO.
>>27709519
No you're just an idiot unable to address his male-mother need who doesn't understand female nature and how relationships really work.
>>27708786
>Practically zero.
No there is a fucking screen involved. You're dropping the goddamn context. If someone said "do you want to jack off to this girl you'll never see or talk to in real life getting fucked" sure and that's totally 100% different than "do you want to watch her physically get fucked in real life in front of your face while she tells you no you can't fuck me too"
BECAUSE REALITY AND REAL LIFE ARE INVOLVED AT THAT POINT. There is no way for you physically fuck the girl in question because this was filmed in a completely different time and place and you weren't there.
I'm really thinking you guys don't have an imagination or something.
I like having an alternative to having actual sex, which has a lot more risk than fapping to porn, namely stds and childbirth. Porn is just the lesser of 2 evils. I'd rather wrestle with porn addiction than being addicted to an actual cunt with the potential to totally ruin my life.
Porn is only bad from the perspective of the whole, because the whole relies on the family unit, problem is, the whole is no longer being properly supported, so you're just shooting yourself in the foot by trying to play by those rules instead of looking out for yourself.
Men are leaning more towards individualism because collectivism no longer pays off unless its in small numbers.
It will be a sad day in my life when i turn 40 or something and finally get a girl in my bed. I wont even be able to get it up anymore.
Ill probably just cry and tell her the truth and leave...
I'll quit porn when I get a gf.
Until then, fuck you
>>27710045
Good luck with that.
She will leave after a while.
I know because after two years of fighting this shit I'm ready to rather kill myself or divorce him.
Probably suicide tough.
(I know I'm not supposed to be her but consider hearing something about that topic from someone who actually experiencing it)
>>27709137
>This is a feminist thing to say. It's feminists who want you to be weak and fapped out.
According you and only you. No feminists don't want non-Chad males to experience pleasure at all.
>What you're missing is that porn itself is to some degree a form of female sexual manipulation. Every pornstar you watch is getting wealthy by exploiting male sexuality.
Yeah but we're both getting something out of it so it's not a true exploitative relationship. And since women rule the porn industry, like you said, any blame for them not being happy about it goes to themselves.
>Literally nobody in the nofap community argues for porn being banned, or for shame.
But we get threads like this full of people calling others "degenerates" for having self-control over their fapping? Calling someone a degenerate means your shaming them.
>Just get out with this bullshit misrepresentation
Sorry the point went over your head kiddo, when you stop being 19 and horny you'll realize how much of a big deal you were making over nothing.
>>27705965
I just want porn to be less available. I wish it all went behind a paywall so the addiction would break easier
Is it really that big of a deal though? I mean junk food alone is waaaay worse than porn, and tons of people find a way to balance it. Just use moderation.
>>27710202
its a big deal if you make it one. i'm sure there are people who waste a lot of time on porn and feel terrible when they aren't watching it.
>>27710151
Don't ever fucking reply to me again, you stupid roastie cunt.
I hope your husband comes home and rapes you with a branding iron, you fucking dumb slut.
>>27710202
Junk food is worse for you.
Cigarettes are worse for somebody else.
There a people who struggel more with porn than with both of these things.
It's a mixture of sexdrive, habits, how addictive your personality is usw
>>27710259
Wow never mind.
It won't be ever an issue for you obviously since there is no way somebody that hostile towards women can ever have a raletionship anyway.
I'm curious though.
Did freaking out over the Internet ever stopped a chick from posting on this board?
>>27710329
I have a question for you.
Are you so fucking illiterate and retarded that you couldn't understand the declaration "don't ever fucking reply to me again"?
>>27710172
throw out your PC
>>27710353
Watch gonna do about it? :3
Smarter people ignore my postest but I know you at least read it.
Don't do that to your futur partners.
It's not about feminism/religion or women wanting power.
It's about you losing the ability to have a true bond with you partner.
The pain you bring on you and your partner is immense.
Please take it serious
>>27709166
>bring up Christianity Wich has nothing to do with the topic and shows that you didn't put any effort in to understanding what the issue is about.
No I bring it up because it's my best, educated guess as to where the MEME of "sex=bad and shameful" comes from. How come /pol/ went full "porn is degenerate" around the same exact time it started Christcuck role playing? That's where IDEA comes from. So even if they aren't Christian per say, maybe they grew up in that environment, we all did in a way with how our laws are around the subject.
We grow up in this world where out right sex is shameful but teasing about sex is okay, having sex means you're automatically a great person, but telling people that you are means you're a bad one too. It's fucked up and people have fucked up self-destructive attitudes when it comes to it. I squarely blame Christianity and other religions for instilling the idea at least and confusing everyone.
>I don't understand people like you.
Maybe since I rejected the notion that sexually pleasuring myself is wrong, I feel no shame or have internal struggles over it? I think it's a lot of reverse psychology too. Thinking sex and fapping is wrong leads to them doing it more often, maybe tempting themselves in the first place? Where thinking it's okay leads to ironically more control over it.
>>27709226
>I'm no model Christian but people like you make me actually start to realize that Christianity was right.
People who think for themselves and not in terms of normie's memes and half-backed, emotionally charged concepts?
When you fap, do you feel guilty, dirty and like you did something you weren't supposed to?
>>27710408
Only thing I'm taking serious is the party planning for when you get your fucking brain blown out by your husband, you stupid cunt.
We'll have roast beef on deck to commemorate your whoredom
>>27709520
>>falling for pop-science feminist clit propaganda
I got that tidbit about the clit from an anti-feminist source... You're just making shit up as you go along now. It's definitely not all in their head though dude or else porn wouldn't be make sense, girl rubs clit, girl cums... It makes sense like rubbing our own dicks makes sense.
>>27709604
I think I already posted about it once, I have no idea what happened and why, I just fapped once when I was 12 and it wasn't big stuff to me. Fast forward some 10 years into the future, and now I'm the degenerate I've never wanted to be, I'm fapping tohentai.
>>27709715
>Mommy told me porn is bad so porn is bad okay guys?
>>27710414
But porn is not sex!
It's not about shaming sexuality.
Thats what I'm trying to bring across.
Even fetishes are OK in 99% of all cases.
But the supposed to be your fetish. Not something that you developed because you saw 100000000000 vaginas before your 18 and can't get it up for a real woman.
(By real woman I mean just an actual real attractive woman -not the feminist tumbler "real woman")
Btw that was a good respond considering how hostile I was towards you.
My apologies brother
>>27710463
I'm glad I made your day.
Have a cute emoticon
^.^
>>27710408
>hurr durr porn will hurt your future relationshipppp :33333
She spent her youth getting fucked in every orifice, and I'm not allowed to masturbate?
FUCK YOU
>>27705965
>Had sex
>automatically chad
you're pathetic
are we being raided by r/nofap?
They're not wrong. Porn has hurt my ability to respect and socialize with women. I really hope that there will be some huge backlash against the porn industry sometime this decade.
>>27710151
Actually I don't mind hearing this from a female perspective. What do you think of the idea of competing with porn?
What if your guy had a porn video and showed you and asked if you can do that for him?
>>27710587
wait for Islam, it would probably be a good thing for a lot of robots
it's still not good in a lot of ways but honestly it's the only surviving traditional culture that has vestiges of what the West used to have (i.e. arranged marriage)
>>27710555
Your allowed to do what ever you want.
I'm not shaming or judging.
Maybe you are even one of the persons who just are not affected by this.
All I do is telling that porn is ruining my relationship.
There people out there who struggel like i/we do.
Just be careful
>>27710587
>Porn has hurt my ability to respect and socialize with women
>implying women are worthy of respect
They're vapid brainless sluts that live off of attention, money, and cum.
Best to avoid them at all costs
I'm just here to remind you that nofap and noporn won't magically transform you into a Chad. I was promised many wonderful things like improved confidence and mood, more energy and ability to concentrate etc. Sadly I noticed none of these benefits, even after >3 months of not jerking it/not looking at porn.
It didn't fix my life, but it's definitely an improvement. I used to edge for hours and got into really weird fetishes. It feels like I've reclaimed a part of myself. It makes me feel like I have control over something. My life is still fucked, but at least it's something.
I'm gonna keep going to see what happens.
>>27710639
Maybe you should actually fuck your husband and cater to his fetishes so that he doesn't feel the need to watch porn.
Christ, you've been swallowing cum since you were 15, but now you're too "mature and dignified" to lick his dick.
I have no sympathy for whores
>>27706265
Those swastikas are facing different directions
>tfw I'm chatting with some guy fantasizing about me 'cucking' him by banging his (most likely non-existent) girlfriend
It's so horrible because I know it's ridiculously racist and objectifiying (I don't even have a BBC at 6 inches).
I mostly like how my melanin suddenly makes me 'alpha'. I'm the most beta motherfucker ever, so I guess it's relaxing to be downright mean to people.
All this has left me with a torn sense of identity, self-loathing, and a degenerate habit.
>>27710671
because your real problem was internet , not merely porn
I think NoFap and anti-porn supporters overstate the role of pornography in erectile dysfunction in men of our generation. Men's testosterone levels have been declining and at their lowest levels since measurements have been taken.
Porn itself is okay in my book but I understand the antipathy people have to it. Other people's sexuality is always disgusting. You don't have to watch it if they don't want to. No one is forcing the actors to make it.
>>27709825
This guy gets it. Porn to me always just filled the sexual void women refused to fill.
>>27710657
I'd like to be able to interact normally with half the population. Because i was inundated with a constant stream of porn as a kid, I cannot do this. I really don't think it's healthy.
>Porn itself is okay in my book but I understand the antipathy people have to it.
I agree. I'm more angry at the porn industry than with pornography itself.
>>27710613
Well I tried that.
I'm young and while I'm not going to call myselfe beautiful I at least am objectively average.
I fit my husbands type(obviously ore he wouldn't have picked me)
He knew from the beginning that I would do everything he liked me to do and we tried a lot of stuff he dident do before.
Anal, deep troathing, drinking cum out of cups, have public sex, watching porn together,going to a prostitute together, roleplay(keep in mind that was all from the beginning on in our relationship -were only married for a year.)
NOTHING satisfied him longer than an hour. His mind is always looking for something new.
He got almost fiered at work because he literally spent the whole day and whole night watching porn.
I try to comped -I failed because I'm only on person I can't comped with the option of 10000 girls online.
Eventually he realised the immense damage he done to us.(I had know self-esteem left after degrading myself for him)
And he tryd to quit. He really tried. But he just can't. He is miserable and I am too.
It poisens our love and trust.
>>27710613
Oh when we tried watching porn together he pretty soon ignored me and used me as a human fleshlight.
>>27710713
I don't think porn or the internet are the evils that caused robots to become social outcasts. They are coping mechanisms/escapism. If you are constantly rejected and ridiculed throughout your adolescence, you try to find ways to escape. Addiction is a symptom for most people, not the root of their problems.
Of course the constant running from your problems ultimately makes things worse.
>>27710849
you two should try moving somewhere remote and start a farm. I'm serious
at this point no-tech is the best way to go
>>27710353
Dude telling a girl not to do something means she wants to do it tens more, you're a natural PUA my friend.
>>27710849
Why don't you offer to blow/fuck him whenever if he doesn't watch porn?
>>27708865
See this is what porn does to a man. It makes them start having these cuck fantasies.
This is why nofap is right all along. It's no surprise that cuck porn started spreading rapidly in the past decade. I seriously believe anons should become religious as well. Christianity has been warning followers for centuries about what degeneracy does to people. I'm in the process of converting now.
>>27710894
We can't. He's in the army and I'm from Germany and can't do my job in the States.
Fuck. Writings that down feels so fucking good right know.
He can't go to therapy because than he can't fligh anymore(helicopters)
I can't talk to anyone because my friends respect him and I don't want that to change.
I'm losing my life over porn.
Life is a fucking joke
>>27710932
That would be literally 24/7.
I'm not even joking.
We even tried that. We just stoped having sex. All he did is watching porn with or without me.
The irony is that he's such a good person.
He has this high ideals of a family and pride. He suffers over his desires.
>>27710518
>Btw that was a good respond considering how hostile I was towards you.
>My apologies brother
We all tend to agree with each other on more than we know but we make bigger deals out of disagreeing and fighting because it... makes us feel better or something.
>vaginas before your 18 and can't get it up for a real woman.
Maybe I'm projecting too much. I had the misfortune of AOL parental controls until I was 18 and then I usually lived in a dorm or room with someone else so my porn viewing opportunities were scarce growing up.
Even so I think if these guys stooping viewing it as automatically wrong or bad they'd be able to practice more self-control over it. A lack of guilt helps actually. Think "Looking at porn is okay, but I just don't want to do it right now" might help than "Porn is degenerate, oh what a naughty degenerate I am! I'm gonna spank my meat to porn some more and indulge in my own naughtiness and feel bad about it later!"
It might be the pleasure of feeling like their getting away with doing the bad thing. Again, just speculating and projecting here.
>>27710958
I can't force myself to believe.
I really don't like this trend of people flocking to christianity as a defense against modern degeneracy. There are definitely ways to work against it without believing in some form of religion. Philosophy is pretty helpful too.
>tfw agnostic atheist and people immediately think you're a leftist degenerate
>>27711128
I actually think you have a really good point.
People desire "forbidden" stuff way more than normal stuff.
If your parents tell you every day that you go to hell if you touch your weiner it will be on your mind way more
>>27710706
>The one self-aware black person in existence.
I like you anon.
>>27711164
I see your frustrations. I doubt most people take the bible completely literally. The morality it has taught cannot be denied though. It is much healthier for all people of our world to worship the word of Christ then to continue watching porn to the point where a man is watching things he would likely have been disgusted with at one point.
>ITT: Porn addicts in denial
>>27711313
honestly I think the most damaging thing was the death of younger marriages due to the school system. If parents just taught kids that marrying at 18 or so, both virgins, was an essential part of life, and everyone did it, porn would be less of a temptation to begin with.
The only people who bitch about porn are americans, muslims, and feminazis.
There's nothing wrong with watching porn as long you don't become addicted and as long you don't start consuming child porn.
Faggots bitching about not being able to get it up during sex or cum shouldn't be looking at porn anyways because they obviously don't fucking need it.
>>27710706
>a torn sense of identity, self-loathing, and a degenerate habit
>letting cuckshits get to you
I just laugh about it brother.
>>27711080
Doesn't he have anything to do all day? Jesus Christ.
>>27710849
>>27710871
(I'm the anon you're replying to).
It sounds like that guy is just sexually spoiled in the first place. This definitely happens, sex feels good and like anything that feels good they need more and more of it. Guys like myself who only know our hands and a screen for sex don't see that problem because we don't experience it.
It may not even be the porn, it sounds like the dude just can't be satisfied period. Is he kind of fat and chubby too? Does he do this with anything else like food?
>>27711454
Ofc he does. But he doesn't do it watches porn. That kinda is the problem
>>27711521
He is not super sexual expirenced actually. Well he was not before we met. He had no long term relationship before wich i think is the bigger problem. He has never expirenced true intemacy before.
He is actually very good looking.
Not fat but I think that's just genetics. He does have a compulsive personality. He smokes and eats a lot yes.
I'm not saying it's porns fault or excusing him.
I just tell how our situation is and from countless hours of internet research I know that they are a lot of people struggling with that.
>>27709715
Life is bad for you. It makes you die.
Some people who can't control themselves ruin the few pleasures in it for others.
Why don't you commit suicide and leave other people their inexpensive vices? Porn is no different than booze or drugs, and prohibition doesn't work.
>>27709715
>You have been BTFO.
Of the virgins on this board, you are clearly the biggest one.
>>27709825
The "family unit" is a modern social concept.
>>27711218
Yeah that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. You're getting it. That's one of the reasons I left the flock, watching people say "SEX IS BAD" and then going in a closet and fucking like rabbits on a church trip. Part of the Christian deep mindset is this attitude of sinning and forgiving, I think they sin even MORE because they'll be forgiven and the whole process of being a shit and then been saved releases dramatic endorphines of self-important and a fake feeling of self-improvement or something.
>>27711164
Exactly. They throw the baby out with the bath water on the whole issue. You're right, philosophy gives you the idea of morality without mysticism. I still have my morality, which says hurting people is wrong, so porn that's not hurting me or anyone else isn't wrong or bad in my view.
>>27711844
Fuck off you primitive, pseudo-intellectual fedora tipper. The family unit has been around since the Agrarian Revolution.
>>27711921
>The family unit has been around since the Agrarian Revolution.
No it hasn't and still isn't ubiquitous.
>>27711777
I'm not even sure what to call them trips, but you should probably play 1 and 7 in the lottery this week...
>>27711845
That would be also a possible explanation why the porn addict issue is bigger in the States than in Europe.
Relgion has a way bigger impact on life in the States that in any other Western country.
>>27711921
>>27711844
Nah the family unit has been around since before were even fully our own species. Read pic related.
Tl;dr: Monogamy, family and alloparenting (grandma, aunts and uncles helping raise kids too) is what made us human in first place.
>>27712039
>Nah the family unit has been around since before were even fully our own species. Read pic related.
No, it hasn't.
Stop conflating small social groups with the modern "family unit". They are not comparable.
>>27706197
First post is usually right.
>>27712067
>>27712039
The "nuclear" family is a modern (and largely American/Anglo country) creation, but extended families have been around for millenia
I hate mainstream NoPorn articles.
It's always >BUT THINK OF HOW IT AFFECTS WOMEN
As a matter of fact, every fucking article is like that.
>>27711951
If that's so, tell me what societies don't have family units.
>>27712067
They are family units if they are all related you dip.
>>27712039
According to Christopher Ryan's Sex at Dawn pre-agrarian humans were more polygamous/polyamorous.
>>27712127
You're wrong here mate
The majority of this articles is from men for men.
Most women are not awere that this is even an issue
>>27712067
>>27712098
>Stop conflating small social groups with the modern "family unit". They are not comparable.
...
They are the same fucking thing! A small group of people related to each other, taking care of each other IS A FAMILY. You're like dropping the definition for no reason. And again, this isn't me making shit up this me citing a leading authority on a subject. This guy knows because he dug their fucking bones up himself and studied them and came to that conclusion, with hardcore evidence of it.
This is guy who came up with the out-of-Africa theory. This is also the same guy who's the biggest critic of the theory. He's THAT science. And science says, families came first. All the other 13 hominids that went around fucking each other and not taking care of their kids died off.
>>27711777
>Why don't you commit suicide and leave other people their inexpensive vices? Porn is no different than booze or drugs, and prohibition doesn't work.
Dude, shut the fuck up.
I mean it. Your arguments are irrelevant. You can't use porn without fucking up other people's lives. Period. And porn has never been prohibited so you can't even say "it won't work". It will.
It will be though. Your seeing the start of it now and once the US bans it, everyone else will.
Porn is bad. You defend porn, you are bad.
You are BTFO.
>>27712138
>According to Christopher Ryan's Sex at Dawn pre-agrarian humans were more polygamous/polyamorous.
Nah that wouldn't make any sense because it meant kids weren't getting raised with enough attention. That's basically a modern "I want it to be this way so I'm projecting it onto the past to say it's 'natural' as an excuse" when the evidence suggests otherwise. Well, maybe they legitimately thought that but newer evidence reports otherwise and it makes more logical sense.
For instance, if you have kids that look more like you and your partner, you can easily identify them and focus on taking care of them more than whatever random kids are running around that you have no incentive to share food or shelter with.
>>27712255
As much as I like to agree I don't see how you want to forbid it.
I'm not arguing. Just curious
>>27712363
the whole internet should be banned imo
just flat out removed from being a home service nationwide
>>27712255
Alcohol wasn't prohibited until it was and that worked splendidly. The Mob made a killing selling illegal booze and moonshiners sold swill that was toxic enough to kill a man.
The prohibition of narcotics has worked a treat too, right? The prisons are crowded with people on minor drug charges and cartels are making a mint while people kill each other over their products.
Take your moralfaggotry out back and shoot it in the fucking face and leave it to rot in the sun.
>>27710877
>I don't think porn or the internet are the evils that caused robots to become social outcasts. They are coping mechanisms/escapism.
Wrong.
Porn changes the structure of your brain. That is a fact. Porn makes you think about sex and that is bad.
Porn turns decent children into the people we see here. I don't know why people are arguing about this.
I'll say it again since you dumbasses didn't get it before: Porn is bad.
That's all you need to know. People smarter and better than you figured that out a long time ago, shut the fuck up and don't question it.
Porn is bad. Look at porn, you feel bad. You know why? Because you are bad for watching porn.
Porn hurts women. You are literally harming other people just so you can get 30 seconds of pleasure.
Stop.
Porn is bad.
>>27712255
>You can't use porn without fucking up other people's lives. Period.
Post a time stamp of the physical browses I gave you because I fapped to porn a week ago.
Oh you can't? You are BTFO.
>And porn has never been prohibited so you can't even say "it won't work". It will.
Dude I live in the Bible Belt, they went around shutting down all the porn shops in our local area. Some good that did, the Internet came about a few years later and everyone just went there. It's tried all the time. Muslim countries ban porn all the time.
>>27712412
imo 4chan should be banned as well
it's just conversational "porn"
and the very existence of online anonymity/freedom is a net negative becuase it makes porn too hard to stop
China puts children in rehab for any and all internet addiction
none of us would be here if the same was done worldwide and we'de be better off for it
>>27712385
Well.. Ja... But this will never happen.
(Maybe if Hitler and Stalin rise again)
Also the Internet is most beautiful and incredible thing that happened to humanity.
We just can't handle it. It destroyes us.
>>27712255
Everything you said is factually incorrect and I can only conclude that you are between 8 and 12 years of age.
>>27712430
Anonymity is bad.
If people are afraid to put their name to something, they are breaking the law. People post porn here all the time. This must stop.
>>27712426
Your not even able to write clearly. Lay off the porn, dude.
Porn is so bad you can't even see what it doing to you. Disgusting, man.
We're done here. Clean up and shut up.
can there be more porn where they start by establishing if the 'actors' genuinely like each other or not, and in what way
and that then focuses on their faces more than a disembodied dick entering and exiting a hole in repeat so you can actually tell if they're enjoying each other
this is my fetish
hey guys OP here ! posting from another computer but i made this post earlier today while reading this magazine in the library and HOLY SHIT did it take off thanks for the reply's guys
>>27712512
I am 26. Everything I said is correct.
Porn is bad. This is something everyone agrees on. It is self-evident.
Feminists agree. Religious people agree. Republicans and Democrats agree. It is universal.
You are BTFO.
>>27712362
His argument is that human beings only lived in tiny, tightly knit groups so the children were raised communally. Everyone depended on everyone else in a kind of Rousseau-esque state of nature. Agrarianism brought with it the concept of private property and resources which had to be protected from outsiders. Hence the formation of family units to ensure that property wasn't divided up too small - imagine sharing with the entire village vs just your household.
>I want it to be this way so I'm projecting it onto the past
the irony. check out this interview for more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vXX33C6Mg
>>27712527
Lmao good luck with that
>>27712255
Okay, I'm bad. I don't need to argue with a nerd on the internet to justify jerking off.
>>27712448
China's not exactly the example the free world should follow.
>>27712622
the free world is shit and that's pretty much why we're all here complaining
>>27712595
I disagree.
You are BTFO.
>>27712622
Maybe the free world is overrated
Maybe people are not ready for freedom
>>27712660
99% of people on earth today were never ready for LITERACY.
we'd all mostly be happier as illiterate peasants toiling the fields, marrying a young virgin with no care about the outside world.
the burden of information and reading was meant for a few only.
>>27712634
>itt bait and that one poster whos so thirsty he supports living like third world countries
>>27712698
dude if we were literal third worlders our life would have more meaning than it does now.
we'd at least have something to do in reality.
Third world chinks and mudslimes now have more meaningful lives than most Americans.
If I can fap to disgusting extreme porn but still pictures of clothed girls am I safe?
If porn is banned, what the fuck am I supossed to do?
Fantasize?
>>27712737
just quit while you can and go find a wife.
>>27712685
Well we can't change it now.
You can't stop progress
>>27712718
You're retarded. Your life wouldn't have more meaning, you'd just be stupid, brown, and filthy.
>>27712645
>I disagree.
>You are BTFO.
Champ, you did it. I am BTFO.
>*holds chest*
No. Porn is still bad.
>>27712765
Okay, it's bad.
But you haven't explained why I should stop watching it.
