So /r9k/, when did you realize that nobody was going to save you? That you're actually in this alone and always will be?
>>27674543
>when did you realize that nobody was going to save you?
When I was 9
I'm not alone, though. Once you start the work of saving yourself you meet other adults
>>27674543
>implying I need saving
besides that would just put me in debt to whoever saved me
>>27674543
when dad died 9 years ago
feels great I'd rather go alone
when I was about 13. It hurt man. Ah well, I'll likely be dead before the end of the year anyway. The ol' helium exit bag with a side of sleepers for me
>>27674543
Laboratories have done "learned helplessness" experiments with dogs.
Scientists will put dogs on electrified floors and shock them randomly
A control group of dogs can escape.
These dogs are shocked, escape, and have no permanent ill effects.
The test dogs are imprisoned so they get shocked but cannot run.
They panic and respond to the shocks for the first few shocks, but eventually lie down and just accept the shocking with no further escape attempts.
After the dogs give up, they won't even try to escape when the door is opened and it is obvious that they can leave.
The only thing that can restore these "learned helplessness" dogs to normality is someone grabbing them and forcibly pushing them out of the cage.
IF no one does, the helpless dogs lie in the cage forever.
That's why so many failures have savior fantasies: they quite literally need a savior.
But the savior will never come.
>>27674770
So basically there's no hope
>>27674543
i dont remember ever thinking anyone was going to save me
i guess maybe when my dad died when i was 3
>>27675116
Well, maybe its less thinking it and more wishing it would happen
>be me
>6 or 7yo
>be in soccer club
>one guy has birthday
>everyone gets invited except me
became paranoid narcissist after that
>>27674770
Dont want to be that guy but can you cite your sources?
what i mean is i want to read this myself.
>>27675176
They're pretty well-known experiments and have been re-itterated with multiple animals and situations
But https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6pWdIjAdn8
>with 16, wrote hundreds of applications (normal grades), still no education after 3 years
>my parents threated me to kick out now
>>27674770
>they quite literally need a savior
That savior is THEMSELVES.
GET A JOB. WORK OUT. GET A GF. STOP BEING LAZY.
Those are all they need to be 'saved'. Anyone who says otherwise is fucking idiotic and has no ideas what opportunities our modern society gives to people.
>>27675313
You didn't understand or care to read anything I wrote.
The dogs can improve their situation and the improvement is easily within reach. But they cannot improve.
That's what learned helplessness is.
>>27675313
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>jus liek b urself
>>27675350
That's what I'm saying, anon. They don't need a savior, they need to stop being lazy fuckers. "Learned helplessness" is a meme-tier concept.
>>27675352
That's what Branson did, that's what Trump did. They didn't whine about "MUH SITUATION", they realized the floor wasn't actually being shocked beneath them and became successful.
>>27675381
trump was just himself. which was the son of a millionaire.
>>27675381
Okay, keep fruitlessly yelling at robots to get their shit together, just like their parents.
I just explained why it doesn't work.
God bless.
>>27675313
GET OUT HERE NORMIE
>>27675390
>the son of a millionaire
>just casually disregarding my other example
Branson was a poorfag yet he's now one of the richest men alive. What's your fucking excuse?
>>27675398
It's better than the alternative which is coddling them with welfare and autismbux until they cry that work is "wageslavery".
>>27674770
What should the savior do to them? Literally pick them up and expose them to the world? Attach strings like a marionette?
Most people would be resentful
>>27675313
>get a job
I'm kind of doing an internship. It's the biggest and only change in my life in the past 6 years
>work out
What will that accomplish? I worked out (running) and nothing changed.
>get a gf
A GF would only make things worse, because I, and other people presumably too, aren't adequate for a relationship.
>stop being lazy
I did and there's nothing on this side except for a bleak realization that nothing ever changes.
It's going to be just fine lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbUpPVOEkdA
>>27674543
Like 6 years ago, when I watched the NHK anime, and read the NHK manga and LN.
>get a gf
show me your friends anon
>>27675441
Branson also started his company in a different time with less competition in the world so shut the fuck up normalfag.
>>27675313
OP here
I don't want a GF
I just want a real, actual friend
The kind of friendship that's always memed about in video games, books, movies, tv, really every single medium out there
A friend who'd do anything for you and you'd do anything for them
>>27675689
>memed about
>using meme as an universal verb
And you still wonder why you don't have any friends?
>>27674770
Guess it's time to off myself
>>27675722
But are you too helpless to do even that?
>>27675689
Try playing eve online. If you can find someone you trust in that game you have found a true friend.
This is a really fucking bad suggestion.
>>27675529
>all these excuses
Dyson went through hundreds of prototypes before he made it big. Do you reckon if he just went "WAAHHH WAHHH NOTHING EVER CHANGES" after the first unsuccessful attempt he'd be the man he is today.
>>27675634
Again, more excuses. Competition is fine and healthy nowadays, the only thing that's changed are the amount of leeches like you. But since you're so angry about the Branson example, how about Zuckerberg. He's modern as fuck and still made it big because he wasn't lazy, had smarts and didn't excuse himself with fucking "learned helplessness"
>>27675902
Their parents didn't beat them with a tire iron, either.
Early-life trauma ruins lives.
acestudy.org
>>27676033
I highly doubt everyone here had parents who beat them with a tire iron. "Early trauma" for /r9k/ are just the consequences they faced from being too lazy to make friends and get a gf.
>>27676055
Yeah, keep sucking that silver-spoon, conservatard. For every Horatio Alger success story, ten thousand street urchins died in gutters.
>>27674543
After so long I finally became dear to someone, and yet without any appearant reason I suddenly lose my feelings towards Her.
Why, what is this, and why is this happening again. This is insane.
Especially when each and every time I showed or expressed affection and devotion, it was genuine.
And yet now I fear that I've been lying and deluding not only myself but Her.
Despite what we share in common, or how our differances compliment eachother.
How dare I even wonder if there's someone else that's truly my significant other, when I've got none else but Her, not to mention that it has been Her all the time that I've seen as the significant other or the soulmate.
And despite the bond and connections between us, I don't know if my retarded brain or disfunctional heart decides not to love them anymore.
I can't believe that, thus I'm so unsure, but how come I am still insecure despite having been sure of love for so long.
I don't understand these feelings, they're so uneasy, not to mention how terrifying it is that I'll harm Her even further and that I'll lose Her just because my feelings decided to vanish out of fucking nowhere. I don't want to lose nor harm Her.
Please, help, explain, anything, before it's too late, or is it already? I beg You for insight or guidance.
>>27676092
And? Just because there are 10,000 too lazy and stupid to better themselves doesn't mean the 1 who does doesn't deserve it. Mind you I'm not a millionaire (I'm temporarily embarrassed) but every day I do at least one thing to better myself. I strive for success, why don't you you fucking commie?
>>27674770
But I'm not a dog.
>>27676156
>>27675313
Here, and this guy fucking gets it. Dogs eat shit, does that make eating shit an acceptable thing to do? NO. Stop using canines to justify laziness and stupidity.
>>27676182
Except similar experiments have been conducted on humans with similar results. See: Stockholm syndrome.
You just desperately want to believe that people can endure any abuse and climb out of the darkest deprivation so you can hold on to your unearned wealth and pay them nickels for bonebreaking labor, you fucking scumbag.
>>27675313
>being so retarded that you dont get such a simple concept as learned helplessness
You're a highschool drop-out, aren't you?
>>27675313
>Those are all they need to be 'saved'.
All that the guy with non functioning kidneys needs is a new kidney!
Too bad he can't just put on his transplant helmet, get inside the transplant cannon and shoot himself into free transplant and available kidneys land.
>>27676246
Why would anyone "desperately" want to believe that?
>>27675902
He "made" it because he had connections to Harvard so again shut the fuck up. You must be underage or a complete fucking ignorant imbecile.
>>27675313
off yourself normalshitter
>>27674543
I still imagine myself some strong actiongirl will come and drag me through my cumrags and build me up to be the man I always should've been.
>>27674543
I had forgotten about it until someone reminded me of it the other day.
>>27675313
>why are you sick? just be healthy instead, lazy bum!
>>27676313
>implying being lazy is the same as being sick
>>27676246
Even MORE fucking excuses.
>unearned wealth
I'm working a decent job for good pay, I'm quite fine financially. However, even this relative comfort still motivates me to succeed. People without it should be much more motivated than me, but they aren't because they're fucking lazy.
If I didn't do the overtime because it was "unpaid" then I wouldn't be up for promotion.
>>27676276
>>27676313
Except lack of money won't kill you, idiots.
>>27676285
And what's stopping you from making those connections? Every great dynasty starts from somewhere. We weren't created with an inherent power structure, that was made when the natural process and the free market seperated the lazy from the successful.
>>27676338
Learned helplessness is a mental condition. Going through that alone is extremely unlikely.
>>27676342
>>27676282
You want to believe to deserve what you have, but the fact is, you really don't.
That doesn't change the fact that you'll warp reality to make yourself feel self-righteous about being born lucky, just like a rich SJW who screams about oppression and demands Patreon money when she inherited millions already.
>>27676342
>And what's stopping you from making those connections?
My personality
>>27676359
No one but yourself can help you
>>27676398
Babies who are given food and water but no attention or physical contact literally die.
>>27676378
>being born lucky
No, I was born into just a shit situation as most of you. But because I have this thing called a 'work ethic' and not a 'shitposting ethic' I managed to get out and do something.
>>27676380
Personality is a meme concept made by leftist biased scientists.
>>27676398
I guess I dont need a surgeon after all.
>>27675313
Academic here.
Could you tell me the name of the peer-reviewed scientific journal that you submitted your findings to? It must have turned the entire academic world upside-down.
I'll leave it at that before asking further questions. If you cannot cite a name, please do not waste the time of both of us due in inadequacy of presented verifiable material.
>>27676530
>the academic world
A bunch of people who, instead of improving the world, try to make excuses with so-called "studies". Social science is NOT a science, and frankly it discredits actual science.
if you really believe that why don't you kill yourself? why suffer?
>ITT Normies don't get it...
Why you come here and call people lazy, assuming they can snap out of shit? Gosh... Been there, done that
>did
>not
>work
I am not lazy, I try everyday, new methods, new things, I experiment, I try hard every fucking day to get my shit together, I try harder, I fail, I try again... Hope none of you ever need to go through this shit, because it's a life where you need to watch every step you take, you need to fight everyday just to function...
>>27676912
You're too lazy to offer a better description
>>27677036
What do you mean? What am I suppose to describe to you? Tell me and I can do it better, huh?
>>27676912
Stop giving it attention, newfriend.
>>27677088
Why do you care what people think? That's your problem
>>27677115
and noted
>>27674543
Like 5 when I feel off my bike and scrapped my face and my mom told me that little girls cry
FUCK YOU CANADA AND FUCK YOU MOM AND FUCK YOU DAD I JEVER WANTED TO BE NATIVE
>>27675313
Getting a gf won't make you happy jackass
>have a depressed friend
>convince him to go outside with me
>he's visibly frightened
>hold his hand
>occasionally it would start shaking a little
>squeeze it gently to let him know i'm there
>he smiles at me
>we stroll down the park
>sit on a river bank together
>he suddenly starts to cry
>hold him close and put my chin on his head so no one will be able to see his face
>he holds onto my jacket
>at some point he stops but we stay like this for a good while
>he thanks me
>we spend the rest of the day talking and generally having a lot of fun with each other>and this story is fictional
>needing to be saved
Why is being a weak faggot in vogue right now
>>27677398
Tell more story
>>27677398
In real life
>know a depressed guy
>he's clearly faking it or some shit
>gotta pay the bills, chase pussy, don't have time to solve it
>eventually he commits suicide
>show some sympathy and go to his funeral to keep up appearances
