Was civilization worth it?
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You're born into a small village in Europe 1000 years ago.
There are only a few other your age, so you meet all of your friends during childhood and grow up beside them. You explore in the woods, make games, laugh together. You never leave the lands you're born on but that's okay because all of your friends and family are assured to stay here as well.
You marry your wife at age 16. You've both known eachother since you were children. You've done nothing special to get her, no game, no pick-up artistry no gymceling (you already have a healthy form due to working outdoors all day). You guys got together purely because you've known eachother since birth and feel close and comfortable with eachother. You consummate your marriage to her, looking into innocent teen eyes as you orgasm, coming into her virgin pussy unprotected. She's pregnant with your son and you start working on the farm, or by fishing, or hunting or whatever your trade was in order to start providing for your family. You do this over the next several years, and by the age of 30 you have 10 kids with her all working in the same village. Work is hard but it keeps your body in good shape. There is no commute, no cubicles, no busy work. Your just do your labor and come home at night and have sex with your wife all night.
You die around age 55-60, much earlier than the modern year. But when you die you're not absolutely literally falling apart, hooked up with a bunch of machines, being pumped with tons of meds, shitting into a bag. You pass away peacefully but do so with the knowledge that all of your children will marry white people from the surrounding area as well, and that you've lived a fulfilling and happy life.
>>27616527
Nowadays you don't have any of that. Civilization, Social media, college has ruined that. When you consummate your marriage with your wife she'll be like 25-30 and her body will already be used up by other men. You'll probably have 1-2 kids because of her declining fertility. She'll feel a lot less close to you because you've likely only known eachother post-adolescence. You might have had to truly suffer to get her too, learning "game" and "pick-up-artistry" and sacrificing all of your free time in the gym. This is because instead of just competing with the 10 other dudes in your village, you're competing with thousands of men in the cities and universities and on Tinder and Facebook. And this is all just to get some used pussy that will never remember you as fondly as the dude that took her virginity in high school.
Was it worth it, really? Was it worth it to be moderately well educated than our ancestors? Was it worth it to live 10+ years compared to our ancestors? Was it worth it to have 100 different oreo types to choose from, instead of just the local home grown food? Was it worth it to become "civilized"?
You people understand that only Chads got married and had sex back then too right
Betas have always been betas
>a small village in Europe 1000 years ago
that's still civilization you dumb cuck
Fucking pleb. If it wasn't worth it do you think we would have done it? Go live on a primitive commune right now, I dare you.
Shut up you're fucking stupid.
>>27616589
Yeah something like 30% of males in history have reproduced, the rest die with their bloodline
You obviously don't know much about history.
>you are born into a European village 1000 years ago
>if you somehow manage to survive the myriad of diseases and infections that could kill you and make it 8
>by this point you have seen at least 30 of your relatives die from illness, accident, infection etc.
>you start working the fields as a peasant, the hours are long and hard
>you never have much to eat, and you live a shit hole with tons of other people
>you were most likely molested at some point
>everything smells like shit and mud
>it's cold as fuck
>your parents, if they're still alive by the time you're 18 arrange to have you married to this fugly farmers daughter girl, with bigger forarms than you
>you get married and have tons of ugly kids, most of which die
>live the rest of your life in misery
>>27616537
>consummate your marriage
>your marriage
>marriage
Pfft stopped reading
>>27616589
This is inherently flawed. There are always a small number of "chads" compared to the general male populace. Chads will marry the best women, then the other 90% of men and women will marry each other. We'd have all died from inbreeding if only 10% of the population were to get married and have kids for millenia
>>27616631
Citation needed
The ideal state of living is edenic, prior to all agricultural modes.
>>27616589
You realise that only 1/3 of people used to live to reproductive age so all the betas die of disease due to their weak immune systems when they're children. Which is a much more merciful death as even betas are happy during childhood.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately as well. Life was so much simpler back then. I guess you could go Amish and kinda live this way, but it won't be the same. FeelsBadMan
>>27616527
you forgot the part where your wife dies in childbirth at the 6th kid and you're left alone, becoming the drunk of the village, starts to have sex with your neglected daughters and get hanged on the middle of the street. your children will become beggars, thieves, prostitutes and will end up executed or dying from benign medical problems. but you don't even know, it, for you've been dug up and eaten by the stray dogs long enough. guess the gravedigger wasn't paid enough to care. by the way your pathetic sexual experience will be nothing but disappointment, as you didn't had to figure out sexuality by yourself, because you live in an age where masturbation is punished by the church by cutting hands of offenders.
>>27616705
fuck whiterun is a comfy city, shame i killed everybody there.
No, you are actually killed by a terrible disease you have no cure for or tortured to death by an evil emperor for looking at his daughter.
Fuck you OP
>>27616646
7896 896 89 89bn 8n
http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/17-to-1-reproductive-success
>>27616917
This was only for a relatively short period of time, then the pattern returned back to normalcy.
>>27616527
Absolutely not. Humans were a fucking mistake. Billions of humans was a fucking war crime.
>>27616975
You clearly didn't even bother reading the article, dipshit.
>>27616642
>>you start working the fields as a peasant, the hours are long and hard
Medieval peasants actually worked significantly less hours than modern workers
>>you never have much to eat, and you live a shit hole with tons of other people
That's not true, lots of peasants just lived with their families
>>you were most likely molested at some point
You're making shit up
>>it's cold as fuck
That depends on the place, it wasn't cold as fuck for Mediterraneans
>>your parents, if they're still alive by the time you're 18 arrange to have you married to this fugly farmers daughter girl, with bigger forarms than you
Better than being a permavirgin
>>you get married and have tons of ugly kids, most of which die
Kids dying wasn't really a big deal since people were used to death and didn't become emotionally attached to babies
>>27616842
>shame i killed everybody there.
just spawn their corpses and then resurrect them if you really feel bad about it, or better yet go into workshop and put a bunch of young pretty Nords in all the buildings and in the square.
>>27616527
>>27616537
No. No it wasn't.
The modern world needs to burn.
>>27617364
You didn't even read your own article you fucking virgin.
>>27616705
>>27616842
>elder scrolls universe
>literally full of fucken niggers, furries and scalies
no thx
>>27616527
You think that people in the past were more content? And that life a thousand years ago must have been an idyllic daydream? OP, you are deluded to say the least.
>>27616527
>le medieval europeans never left their villages meme
epic
1016 was in a era that was the absolute apex of pilgrimages nigger
>>27616527
>you're born into a small village in Europe 1000 years ago
>you either die because of some random disease or malnutrition
>if you survive childhood you end up working 12 hours a day on your farm if your parents weren't piss poor fuckers with nothing to their name
>if they didn't have anything you most likely become some filthy beggar or outlaw and die young either way
>if you have your own farm, you work your entire life to some plants that might or might not grow and half of your kids die
Great life mate. People who think shit was "better" or "easier" more than 70 years ago are fucking dumb.
>>27616642
t. Voltaire
t. Rosseau
shut up retard
>>27616527
Alternatively
>you're in your nice little villlage with your qt kids and wife
>invading army comes in and rapes your kids and wife
>they then steal your crops and leave you to starve
>you join up with your lords army to take revenge
>you take an arrow to the gut and die painfully over the next 11 hours
>your wife re marries a soldier from the same army that raped her and killed you
>his name is chad.
That is not how it worked. Most kids died.
>>27617630
Humans are literally genetically the same now as they were in 1016
if you're healthy enough to survive past infancy today, you could do it then. if you depend on medicine to live then you really shouldn't exist either way
Fuck guys, my resent against modern technology and crowded city living has been building since I read Ted Kaczynski's manifesto. Varg Vikernes also has a bunch of videos on the topic - he actually practices what he preaches too, farming his own food, homeschooling his kids, etc.
I'm graduating next year, what alternatives are there to joining the wagecuck force
>>27617582 is right, you'd have to go a bit farther back to find the ideal OP described. I believe the agricultural revolution (10 KYA) marked the beginning of humans' descent into the inhuman condition we're living in now. Keep in mind that homonids had been evolving for MILLIONS of years previously under hunter-gatherer conditions. The current uses we put our bodies and minds to are so far removed from the purposes nature shaped them for, it's no wonder society is so fucked today
>>27617667
Are you mentally handicapped anon?
Hey it's easy enough to go off grid. Why not just do that meng? Lots of info on how to do that
>>27617614
What does t. Mean? (I haven't been here in years)
>>27617790
ebin /int/ memes related to the moorish caliphate, derived from finnish memes
>>27616527
Human life-span is the same, the only reason the average has been low in the past is because it takes child and infant deaths into account, which were much higher due to little knowledge of medicine.
>>27617790
Acronym for Finnish word "torveisn" meaning "regards" like when closing a letter
>>27617764
What I said is literally objectively true. didnt mean to hurt your feelings buddy
>>27617764
Are you an SJW who believes all humans are equal in all capacities? This really isn't the site for you
Umm 1k years ago
You survive child birth and mom dies
You have another sibling and a dad
Poor as fuck always hungry
1 out of the 3 of you will die from disease or infection
Long winter? All 3 are dead
No rain all 3 are dead
POOR AS FUCK
riddles with parasites
The village elder is 32
You work sun up sun down and some
Get married at age 14
Wife dies hild birth with kid
Repeat this with various wars and pillaging
Oh ya think you are a witch burned alive
Cant pay taxes killed
>>27616527
Then you cut your leg on a rock and you die of an infection that would be easily treatable today. Or you die of the plague. Or some army sweeps in and kills you. Medieval Europe was almost as shitty as modern Sub-Saharan Africa, anyone who would rather be a commoner then than a commoner today is an idiot.
>>27617847
>>27617868
I'd like to see you get some illness and deal with it without any medicine. After all, no one in first world countries should exist at this point.
>>27616527
That picture looks amazing, but to much bad ahit then senpai if I owned a massive amount of land and it was a peaceful village like that with our medicine and technology im solled, besides where can I get my frozen tendies?
>>27616527
We have to adapt. Look forward. Sustain.
We were born late to the party. We were born after the after after party.... in an age where billions of people are killing thousands of species, a few ultra rich individuals have amassed incredible amounts of wealth and control, the Earth is drained of resources, and technology keeps records on everyone.
There is is absolute nothing natural about this world. It is imbued with godlike technology. We already learned how to destroy the world as far back as 1945.
The only path is forward, the only payoff is the attainment of technological immortality. If anyone tries to prevent the average man from getting that, then it will render the exercise of civilization useless. If it is rendered useless people will revolt and destroy all who threaten us - while the rich powerful strategize futilely how they are going to depopulate the planet and prevent such an uprising against them.
Rumors, wars, conspiracies: this is the age of information.
>>27617878
What we've lost in physical illnesses we've gained in mental illnesses. I'd rather have 30 happy years than 60 miserable ones
I think that until you experience it, no one wants to go back to an agrarian lifestyle.
>>27616675
Yep. Civilization is an abomination. To what extent there is a "best" way to live, it is the way humans were designed to live. That is, how we evolved to live.
Do you think animals are unhappy? Sometimes, maybe. But would you think an animal's life could be improved by civilization? Do we intervene on the part of prey animals to get predators to stop eating them? No, these things aren't "detriments" to the quality of life of the animals, it's how they're meant to live. They have evolved to not be upset or abnormally stressed by the fact that they may become prey, even though they do react with stress in situations where they need to react and escape, etc. But they don't get so depressed the commit suicide or develop stress-related mental illness due to it.
The hardships of natural life are hardships that human beings were designed to be capable of dealing with. The hardships of civilized life are things that we were not designed for, and affect us much worse.
>>27617818
Child, Infant, and the occasional all-out war. All things considered though the "average" lifespan would be just as fucked in the 1900s because of the world wars, not no mention it how low it would be if there was like WW3.
>>27617766
Its not like people are unhappy because they have access to a power grid. They just want the sense of a close-nit community that more or less dissapeared over the years. The closest thing to a village community nowadays would be something like a forum or something which is obviously completely different (though it has its advantages).
>>27617878
>>27617869
wew lads because the longer you live the better your life. Besides, theres still plenty of people that are poor as fuck,die in war, and work all fucking day. Also anyone who thinks there were no old people before the industrial revolution is retarded on a cosmic scale.
>>27617926
>30 happy years of eating grass to survive with tuberculosis eating your lungs and some infection that you got from a bruised knee
>>27616527
>tfw you will never be a 6'8 bearmode bandit in Middle Age Europe raiding villages and pillaging pussy
>>27617926
>mental illnesses
Other than drug-related crap most of the "mental illness" that people have is complete bullshit. Like, they live a meaningless life and they don't know what to do with themselves so the doctor says "ayy take these pills". The number of people that have an actual, physical problem that requires any kind of medication must be orders of magnitude smaller than the number of people on meds.
Mental illness is what you get when everybody is bored as fuck and feels paranoid about having different opinions than the average joe.
>>27616527
No childhood back then, you worked your ass off as soon as you could walk
Disease, war, famine, your idyllic village is anything but
People lived grouped together in vermin and insect filled huts, most people slept on the dirt floor on a straw bed, your animals would also be in your hut
No medicine or social services at all, no running water, toilets, the smells were unbearable, you always wore your only set of clothes
Food was spoiled and or rotten, meat was a luxury for feast days, you lived on bread and beer or wine and what vegetables you could grow/steal
The king and lord owned all the land, you worked for them and could die, be killed, be conscripted at anytime
Your life was worth nothing
The king, lord, church decided who and when you married, not you
You went to sleep when the sun went down and worked when it came back up, no retirement you worked until you died, you were property of the local lord and ultimately the king
The church was like the Mafia, they controlled and ran almost everything
If you were wealthy life was better, but mostly for regular folk it sucked
The world population in 1000CE was about 400 million with 25 million in Europe
Plague, Pestilence, Famine, War and Servitude, sound great
The "good old days, mostly sucked", the time you now occupy is Fantasyland compared to most of human history, you are now living in some future persons "Good Old Simple Days"
I think that OP played too much Skyrim or some other game like that and wants to do quests or something.
Except life expectancy in middle age was about 30 yrs
OP is deluded
>>27616527
>You never leave the lands you're born on but that's okay because all of your friends and family are assured to stay here as well.
REEEEE that's not true, there' s a good chance you would go on a pilgrimage or travel for trade. And the rest of your fantasy is probably bullshit made up by victorian era puritan faggots as well.
>>27618139
since when did you become a merchant, a soldier or a tradesman?
>>27616527
Uh, you forgot the part about war, famine, and disease. Not to mention you'd be a peasant serf under the thumb of your feudal liegelord. And people think landlords today are bad?
>>27618052
>No medicine at all
outright wrong
>Food was spoiled and or rotten
well sometimes, not like literally all cooked food instantly rotted
>The king and lord owned all the land
K, now its the bank
>The king, lord, church decided who and when you married, not you
>"King Arthur, who will this random peasant from one of your villages marry?"
only nobles had that problem
>The church was like the Mafia, they controlled and ran almost everything
now random corporations run everything; not much of an improvement aside from the rare inquisitions and stuff
>>27618203
>since when did you become a merchant, a soldier or a tradesman?
Well why assume everyone is the lowest peasant imaginable? Thats like assuming everyone who wants to live in the modern world would automatically be an obese welfare neet with diabetus
>>27618099
Going to play a devil's avocado here but the low life expectancy statistics are almost always formulated with infant mortality in mind, which drags the adult mortality rate down considerably.
>>27617959
>Besides, theres still plenty of people that are poor as fuck,die in war, and work all fucking day
But we're talking about Europe. Do you really think it would be better to be a peasant in the Netherlands 1000 years ago than it would be to the average person in the Netherlands today?
>>27618245
well, the high infant mortality doesn't come out of thin air, does it?
>>27616527
Also you get raped by vikings and you drink dirty water and your wife is ugly af and you're a complete idiot and your kids get eaten by wolves as quickly as you have them and you spend every day wondering if there's more to the world that you'll never see or know anything about as you live in superstitious fear of everything
>>27616527
>the knowledge that all of your children will marry white people from the surrounding area as we
1000 years ago "white" people didn't exist. Most Europeans had more of a tribal identity
>>27618270
>1000 years ago
>sailing longboat past raided keeps
>decide to go even further
>loot all the way down to turkey
>write runic symbols on huge temple you raided
>leave with sick loot to go bang your wife
>2010+6
>living in tiny apartment because like 60% income tax and huge sales tax
>walking to your minimum wage job at mcdonalds
>Muhhamad, Abdul, Hakim, and 7 other guys rush into the staff area
>rape the woman working there because it was "sexual emergency"
>they leave with burgers to go blow up an airport
>>27618283
Obviously not but statistically if you were able to survive past the ages of 8-12, by which your immune system had already taken a severe beating, your mortality would dramatically increase.
A virus that can kill a 3 year old isn't going to have the same effect on a 22 year old.
What a shitty way to live.
You can still experience all that. You just have to become an Orthodox priest and move to an Eastern European village.
>>27618450
>develop scurvy, lose all your teeth, break your legs from reduced bone density as a result and you're woken up in the night by your shipmates holding you down getting ready to drill a hole into your skull to release the demon they believe it's posessing you
Stop confusing fantasy with reality.
>>27618283
What are you trying to ask? There are many reasons infants die. Infection, birth defects, even loldunno like with SIDS.
>>27618450
>>living in tiny apartment because like 60% income tax and huge sales tax
>>walking to your minimum wage job at mcdonalds
Yes because taxes are why you're poor when you work at McDonalds.
>>27618046
>they live a meaningless life and they don't know what to do with themselves
>everybody is bored as fuck and feels paranoid about having different opinions than the average joe
this is kinda what I was referring to. You wouldn't have so many young men hating life and killing themselves if the sense of life as a struggle for survival was still present
>>27616527
>>27616537
You have to realize OP, that some people are biologically conservative/liberal, K-Selected/r-selected, loyal/traitorous and that not everyone here will resonate with your message.
Things definitely were better in the past despite the lack of technology and medicine because survival was the primary goal, and made life meaningful to those who earned it.
Relationships weren't some game you had to keep trying to make work, but were something that was needed for survival.
Its the lack of "surviving" that plagues our world, instead of a balance of strength, intelligence, and courage the modern world now punishes those who don't specialize all of their energy in one area.
A jack of all trades is a worse cog than a master of one.
I challenge an anon to give me some positive aspects of the modern world, without referring to material technologies (this includes law) and medicines.
>>27617714
Only alternatives are to become a hippy or Gypsy/Nomad. Or join the Military and live as close as you will get to being a warrior(that is if we actually go to war soon, which we will)
>>27618203
YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ANY OF THOSE THINGS NIGGER, PEASANTS TRAVELED OFTEN ESPECIALLY WEALTHIER ONES. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO NEVER TRAVELED WERE SERFS. KILL YOURSELF.
>>27618387
That's his point. You die knowing that your duty has been fulfilled in that your people, be they Saxons, Normans, whatever, are progenated
>>27618052
Actually before Christianity spread, European life was better than what it was in the Middle Ages.
>>27618621
They should just get poorly-adjusted robots and send them to the military or something. Just tell them that they have to train really hard to protect the world from aliens or something. Eventually they will convince themselves and eachother that its the sickest shit ever.
I mean it costs a pretty small amount of the defense budget to actually pay generic entry-level staff, especially if they're gonna live on base. Think of all the money they would save on not having a mass shooting 3 times a week.
>>27618659
>challenge an anon to give me some positive aspects of the modern world
Just playing devil's advocate, but a big advantage is the way communities work. If you have a passion for painting or music or something, you can just get online and talk to thousands of other people with the same interests. If you had that kind of passion in a village than tough shit, you have like 10 neighbors and none of them give a shit about your favorite anime.
That argument only hold up if you consider shitposting on /r9k/ or something a social, community activity though.
>>27618746
I am still amazed at the remaining amount of Christians in the Alt-Right, who refuse to let go of it despite large amounts of evidence that it is Spiritually Semitic and opposed to anything European, Pagan, and Masculine.
>you will never live in a pre bronze age agrarian society
Why even live?
>>27618681
If we fight a worthy war, I'll join the military. As it is now I can't stomach the thought of dying for some jew bankers trying to preserve the petrodollar or for the sake of some oppressed sandniggers. In the past, warriors were at least fed the idea that they were fighting for their own people, to preserve their village or their way of life. Often that was even true. Not anymore.
Being a nomad would be cool, but all of society (including family) would turn against you for that
>>27616527
You do realize that historically only 40% of men reproduced? Knights had a tendency to rape and Chad it out. Life wasn't Game of Thrones back then
>>27618659
>material technologies (this includes law) and medicines
Man, you had to remove the low hanging fruit, didn't you. Like Medicine is so much of a positive aspect. People back in those days weren't healthier, and preventable diseases weren't fatal.
Since we're all referring to medieval Europe here and not basically the rest of the world, I will compare to modern Europe
1. Europe's basically at peace. Discounting a few terrorist attacks, the overwhelming majority of Europeans don't have to worry about the lord next door pillaging their village.
2. You do not owe military service to your lord. As our militarys are fully volunteers, so you don't have to risk dying out on some far off battlefield.
3. No risk of starvation. No money? Go to a soup kitchen, food bank, salvation army, whatever. In those days if the crops failed and your village didn't have enough to make the winter, well i hope you didn't like your dog.
4. We all know how to read and write.
5. Crimes aren't punished by savage beatings or torture
And there you go, 5 reasons, I could easily keep going.
>>27618787
You could also argue that because you have thousands of others with your interests, that means your talents as an individual mean less than if you only shared them within your tribe.
It also contributes towards specializing towards one single area as it benefits the capitalist system, instead of being more balanced.
The tribal musician wasent just a musician but could engage in most if not all of the other activities the tribe required.
>>27618296
>and you're a complete idiot
This would be the worst part, being utterly ignorant and superstitious and being surrounded by like-minded people.
One of the things which make my life worth living is the ready access to vast amounts of high quality information on a countless number of subjects.
>>27618907
It does benefit jews but downrange, soldiers fight to protect their own. Modern Politics means nothing on the battlefield.
>>27618787
Are you kidding? Musicians were loved and desired everywhere in pre-modern Europe. In accounts of pirate attacks on merchant ships, they always spared and shanghaid musicians they found because they wanted to hear new songs. Nowadays, music isn't valued as much. It's omnipresent, it's background noise at malls and supermarkets and school events, and easily accessible online. Same with many other artisans
>>27618659
Freedom of movement within large swathes of land, greatly increased freedom of association, and less authoritarianism in government.
>Modern Politics means nothing. On the battlefield
It may not matter on the battlefield, but it does matter when it's why you've been planted there in the first place.
>>27618999
Right, because Vietnamese rice farmers, Saddam Hussein, and the Taliban all had their guns aimed at American civilians
>>27618959
>contributes towards specializing towards one single area as it benefits the capitalist system
This is pretty much the defining part of modern society. There's so much shit going on that you really have to be hyper-focused on one thing to have a rewarding life. Thats great for some, shitty for others. If you want to dedicate your life to studing that one part of an atom, today is the best day to live. If you're just some guy who wants to enjoy everyday things, you're kind of pushing a boulder uphill.
>>27619072
Music was just an example. Its not about your talent not being valued, its about not having the opportunity to develop with or having any like-minded individuals you can be in contact with. If you liked music you would have nobody to teach you and nobody to discuss it with.
>>27618052
>Food was spoiled and or rotten, meat was a luxury for feast days, you lived on bread and beer or wine and what vegetables you could grow/steal
But that is wrong you moron
>>27618099
umm no if you lived to adulthood you often lived to be 60 something
>>27616527
>it's a "it would've been easier to get laid if" post
Kill yourself, my man.
>>27619292
ha, no. you're spewing bullshit.
Majority of people lived to be about 25-35 as peasants. Your life was short, shitty, and quick.
>>27619173
who the fuck thinks to themself, "I want to devote my life to studying one part of an atom!"
All the best known scientists up until the early 20th century engaged in multiple fields - chemistry, physics, astronomy, mathematics, biology, philosophy, etc. Newton, Galileo, even Einstein did not study extremely specific things like scientists today must.
Side note, I don't think that there will ever again be a well-known name to emerge from science. Notable discoveries now can only be made by huge groups of scientists working together, whose individual names will never be publicized. People will remember it was Newton who discovered xyz in 1720, but will not remember that it was Jackson, Smith, Price, Carter, Harrison, etc. who discovered xyz in 2025
>>27616527
>here are only a few other your age, so you meet all of your friends during childhood and grow up beside them
and then you die, not even before you enter the woods. you die right there and then because a fucking viking came into your home and rape and killed everyone. or a fucking mosquito poked you and you're fucked
>>27619504
>Side note, I don't think
At least you've got one in the bag.
>>27619403
Actually, it's a "Life would be all around better if" post. Get your shitposts straight
Getting laid is much easier today without the Church influencing all areas of social life
>>27619504
They could do that because there was less to know in those fields at that time. The body of knowledge is growing but our time and our mental capacity as humans has not increased correspondingly.
I think modern science could do with more cross-polination, but there's always going to be a limit to it.
You forgot to mention that your wife most likely died from childbirth.
Your children most likely didn't make it to adulthood.
If you caught smallpox/plague you where basically fucked.
If you got an infection from the hard manual labor you probably died...
etc.
>>27618944
1.The problem with peace is that it causes stagnation, when people get too comfortable this brings out the worst in us. Women begin to lose respect for men since the modern leviathan state is there to protect them which is more of an abstraction than flesh and blood. Men begin to focus more on women since they think they are "liberated" and effectively raise the bar for reproduction. This leads to a downward spiral where men begin to develop an apathetic and hostile attitude towards a society that can give them everything but the very thing that men join build and join societies for: offspring.
2. The problem with volunteering is that there is no incentive to stay in shape and learn the skills needed to survive and defend your tribe.
If other men are willing to die for you, then there is no reason to ever develop yourself. You can argue its utility for local crime and attractiveness but you will never be effective against a large scale invasion which is still possible even in a time with nukes.
3. This is a material gain.
4. Reading and Writing used to be ways intelligent men could seperate themselves from other men and look more attractive to other women, now that every retard and chad can read and write basically, the effect has been drastically reduced.
Reading and writing are over hyped and dont really contribute as much as their proponents imply they do. They are useful for large populations, not as much for small tribal units.
5. So how should they be punished? A slap on the wrist? Crime was almost nonexistent in tribes because everyone knew eachother and would not steal or hurt their own unless they were a traitor and were dealt as such.
Unless you are the traitorous type, i see no problem with this.
>>27619580
Yet somehow, humanity did not go extinct despite dying from everything they encountered! In fact, the earth's population continued to rise steadily over the centuries, with the exception of only 15 years in the 1300s! Miraculous
>>27619575
Thats what I mean though. Everything has become so specialized that you absolutely have to do something stupidly specific with your life to have any meaning. The people that enjoy a more well-rounded life end up living as a monotonous cog until they are too old to function and then spend the rest of their days trying to figure out how to increase the volume on their TV.
>>27619543
>Actually, it's a "Life would be all around better if" post.
No it isn't, you don't have the faintest clue what the fuck you're talking about and how it was. It sure would be cool if you could bang a 16 yo that fell in your lap, though, right?
> Be born in 1253
> Die to the plague at age 3
>>27619114
>Freedom of movement
I could argue that the fiat claim by modern states actually does more to impede movement than allow it since they impose both borders and law over areas which nobody inhabits or travels through.
The "libertarian" excuses like this are still material gains, they are not spiritual or psychologically healthy gains.
>>27616527
>but do so with the knowledge that all of your children will marry white people from the surrounding area
why does this even matter
>>27619784
found the liberal
>get a moderately bad cut and you die
>break a bone and you're deformed for life
>food is ass
>no internet
>>27619692
>Thats what I mean though
Hold up, you're not me. Although we have the same idea
>>27619699
>i haven't read a single post itt: the post
Will the /devilish/ contrarians (see >>27619720 for ex) please leave? Don't you have a racebaiting thread to tend to?
>>27619741
I think freedom of association is a pretty straightforward psychological gain; if you have a good family you can stick with them, if not you can leave. Straight up improvement to be able to leave a shitty situation with greater ease.
Fiat claim by nations also makes movement easier within those nations by imposing uniformity across larger areas. Rather than needing to crusade into the wilderness or learn a new set of norms, you can move from one coast to the other and live basically the same way.
If you really want to stretch it I guess you can say they're all material gains, but I could also just apply the same logic to the OP and describe those as all material gains.
>>27619818
>get a moderately bad cut and you die
Why do so many retards think this? Do you put rubbing alcohol and penicillin on every fucking cut you get? Yeah you would be way more likely to die if someone stabbed you with a knife, but its not like youre likely to die from stubbing your tow.
>>27616527
>t. Person posting posts on the internet
>life of squalor
>but i got a gf
More sad then a white knight
>>27619806
I'm not even trying to be rhetorical, honestly, why is this important?
>>27619951
your kind ain't welcome 'round these here parts
>>27620000
Nice quads, but I'm genuinely asking here. Redpill me.
>>27619826
>i haven't read a single post itt: the post
Almost entirely true. You still have no idea about anything. You're wrong (this shit tends to happen when you're talking about things you know nothing of).
>>27618659
We might become permanently interplanetary one of these centuries. That would make the suffering worth it imo.
But yeah, otherwise it's a shit.
tfw you'll never be a filthy village beggar
>>27620026
Not him but I think people associate race a lot with culture. Like half the "no race mixing" people would have no problem if a slav married a european or if someone from canada married an asian girl, they just dont want someone from an "inferior" culture to mix with someone from a normal one.
And it just so happens that the shitty cultures are basically the brown people while the better ones are fair skinned and look more or less the same.
Just join an Amish community. They do accept new members.
It's not like agrarian societies don't exist today.
You can live that life if you really want to.
>>27619838
So instead of working to make a situation better, someone should just give up on the family which gave time and resource to raise them and leave?
That sounds like a traitorous justification, and if you are biologically a traitor such a proposition would make sense, but for biologically conservative folks such a prospect is not desirable.
>>27617617
>not Chaddius Thunderloins
>>27620160
This is the only point that modern states have, the expansion into space although it can be argued that the modern wests expansion into space has been short lived due to the heavier burdens of having a large civilization.
>>27620373
>biologically a traitor
What the fuck shit are you making up now?
Biologically speaking you're an individual, you were born one and will die one, and the ability to pursue happiness as an individual shouldn't be underestimated.
>>27620404
>>27620160
Would it though? The whole Idea of the wild-west space seems kind of silly. Like, planets are so unbelievably fucking far away that even at light speed there would be next to nowhere to go. They would also be absurdly expensive so chances are only governments and huge corporations would be able to have them.
Its also absurdly hard to settle another planet considering there aren't really any earth-like planets anywhere near us. That means it will me a multi-national project to settle a planet. If anything the colonies would be FAR more uptight than anything here on earth. Look at all the stupid laws the government is always trying to pass and imagine what they could actually get away with if they had a blank slate like a mars colony. That place would be borderline Auschwitz.
What do all these ignorant people think work was like 1000 years ago? Farming is literally putting seeds in dirt and waiting for it to grow.
>>27620440
You're talking about pursuing happiness whilst arguing on a computer with your imaginary peers like a demented monkey. Google.com the term irony and get some information from wikipedia, dumbass
>>27619490
>Not citing any sources
wewhew laddy boyo
>>27620517
They assume farms were as big as they are nowadays and imagine how much work it would be to take care of that alone.
They didn't even have any real farming techniques, at most they would just shovel some shit on their crops one a week and maybe water them. No fucking idea why people think they were slaving away 15h a day.
Not like you can even grow anything for half the year in Europe.
>>27620517
You're a fucking idiot. Fucking is literally putting your penis in a vagina, yet you still can't do it. It's not that easy, is it?
True happiness can only be found in the simplicity of farm life.
>the cozy feeling of self-sustinence after a hard day's work of farm chores
>milking goats, feeding pigs, selling produce at market
>GOAT meals
>exploring the woods on horseback
>playing music and 80s outdoor games together in the evening
>have obviously tense but sweet maybe-platonic-maybe-not relationship with slightly younger cousin
>fall asleep in an 18th century farmhouse to the sound of crickets chirping
>>27620498
Its a lot easier keeping you here than letting you go.
>>27620517
Thousand years ago, Arabs came an took ya 16yrs old bitches.
>>27620668
turks an Mongolian types too.
>>27620440
There are some people who are inherently more predisposed to either being apathetic to their ingroup or being somewhat hostile to it.
Liberals are hostile to their ingroup, always preferring other groups to their own.
Libertarians are neutral to their ingroup, not being hostile but also not feeling a sense of duty to their own but just themselves.
Conservatives are supportive to their ingroup, they resonate and feel a duty to uphold the ingroup as if it was part of them.
When i use the terms liberal,libertarian, and conservative, i am not talking about a political party but a psychological disposition which can and does correlate with the parties.
Heres an article that expands on this idea.
https://www.edge.org/conversation/jonathan_haidt-what-makes-people-vote-republican
>>27620689
>>27620668
The bitches weren't his to begin with, they took nothing from him. Besides, without that you wouldn't be here. It would've been such a shame :<
>>27620716
So conservative are traditional depleting clones. figures of d00m.
>>27620716
>what-makes-people-vote-republican
I kekd and then I leld and then fuck off, retard
I don't think you niggers appreciate shit like plumbing, sanitation, and fucking actually nutritious food. Let's not even talk about how much your life would actually suffer if you had to go back to 56k internet, LET ALONE any of the shit mentioned in this thread.
>>27620726
Must be a kazar trying to support being raped and pillaged, then coming with fabricated stories from others cults which one had become apart of.
His daughters were his bitches, when he deaded he had no choice who his bitches f00ks, still doesnt.
Im here though necessity, it wus inevitable.
>>27620498
Space colonization is entirely worthwhile if it means all of my descendants (and the rest of humanity) are not obliterated in a single asteroid strike or other catastrophe.
The distances involved mean that it will be difficult for states on Earth to control their colonists elsewhere, although automation may make it easier. I don't think existing governments have a monopoly on stupid laws, though. Just look at the Puritans/Pilgrims.
>>27616527
If this were an accurate depiction of 1000 years ago it would be nice, but it's not. So I can't comment on your initial question when you have put forth a flawed image.
>>27617911
Theres an entire branch of health called dietetics, you should research this.
>>27619860
You're not accounting for the truly filthy conditions people were living in. Clearly as sanitation was virtually non existent a minor cut often led to a fatal infection.
>>27616537
>When you consummate your marriage with your wife she'll be like 25-30 and her body will already be used up by other men. You'll probably have 1-2 kids because of her declining fertility. She'll feel a lot less close to you because you've likely only known eachother post-adolescence. You might have had to truly suffer to get her too, learning "game" and "pick-up-artistry" and sacrificing all of your free time in the gym. This is because instead of just competing with the 10 other dudes in your village, you're competing with thousands of men in the cities and universities and on Tinder and Facebook. And this is all just to get some used pussy that will never remember you as fondly as the dude that took her virginity in high school.
This is an insane delusion. Please...please leave your room and go somewhere other people associate with each other. Learn how the world actually looks and works. Not the fantasy which has been fed to you by the television and computer. Before you descend any further into madness than you already have.
>>27616642
also you probably have a chronic illness and feel like shit most of the time.
and wack religious stuff
Humans in general, are a fragmentary blip of motion continuum, there's forever, remaining.
>>27620876
then tell us how it works Chad because obviously no one here knows
>>27619860
actually yes, you were much more likely to die from that shit - tetnis, parasites, bateria/fungal, et. al. The tradeoff is that manual labor and never bathing means your whole fucking body is one big caulous. Also, they knew how to cauterize wounds and shit to some degree.
>>27617602
>>if you survive childhood you end up working 12 hours a day on your farm if your parents weren't piss poor fuckers with nothing to their name
Life sucked in the past, but this part is not true.
People used to not work so much. That's the only better thing. Industrialization is what caused people to work 40+ hours a week.
>>27620812
I think humans are incompatible with space travel and exploration, exploration in the past was dangerous as well but was never as alien to the human body as space exploration.
Explorers in the past might have gotten infections which killed them but they never got things like cancer, heart problems, hearing loss, radiation, vision loss, etc.
>>27619137
No but the soviet union had fucking missiles aimed at american civilians, and if you think the domino effect spread of communism wasn't a real thing you're a fucking idiot
>>27620951
>I think
No you don't
>>27620941
What's wrong with working? Get some Protestant ethic for fucks sake.
>>27620985
> I read about it on the internets, I know my stuff, get away!
>>27620951
The deep sea is pretty fucking incompatible with human biology
good thing we made shit to protect us from it
>>27617614
>i got btfo
>here take these ebin /int/ memes >:D
>>27620941
'Not being left behind' in fact is what thee eventual procurement of industrialisation entailed.
>>27621020
>what is the cuban missile crisis for 500, alex
>what is the spread of an international terrorist organization responsible for thousands of innocent deaths
>what is a terrible dictator who violated several treatises and used chemical weapons on civilians
>>27617410
>>you never have much to eat, and you live a shit hole with tons of other people
That's not true, lots of peasants just lived with their families
that is the shithole m8
>>you get married and have tons of ugly kids, most of which die
Kids dying wasn't really a big deal since people were used to death and didn't become emotionally attached to babies
>not being incredibly sadden that another of your children died before it could even walk
i bet you also have a wicked sense of humor too
>>27620911
Here's how it works usually in the real world.
>get a job working anywhere after you're 18
>associate with the females there
>become close enough to one of them you ask her to go out
>she accepts
>get married 2 years later
This happens literally millions upon millions of times around the world every year. You can be a fat slob virgin piece of shit and this will still work for you. You don't have to learn any game at all. You actually have to fight for this not to happen because coworkers will try to push you together with someone.
This is all before you are 21. Your wife won't care about the guy who fucked her in high school because he was just some snot nosed punk and he wasn't any good at it (and neither will you be but you won't give a shit because you no longer put the pussy on a pedestal).
Alternative scenario:
>go literally anywhere people hang out: bar, park, shopping mall, coffee shop, library, even a fucking McDonalds if you live in bum fuck nowhere
>hang out long enough some females become acclimated to your presence
>one of them will eventually decide you are nonthreatening enough to approach or make conversation
>don't rape her or go crazy or have sperg out for the next couple or three months
>ask her to go to a movie
>repeat 3-4 times until you are magically in a relationship with her
>get married 1.5-3 years later and have her shit out a baby or two 2 years after that
it's not hard
>all this fighting
how about, some anons might have enjoyed a simpler life of a small village, and some other anons prefer modern living?
>>27617714
>Fuck guys, my resent against modern technology and crowded city living has been building since I read Ted Kaczynski's manifesto. Varg Vikernes also has a bunch of videos on the topic
>>27621110
those who think they would enjoy a simple life in a small village should just move to bumfuck nowhere
literally all the positives without all the diseases, malnutrition, and smell of rotting shit everywhere
>>27620911
The majority of people have sex with fewer than 10 people in their lifetime
>>27621099
how it works for robots
>go literally anywhere people hang out
>people avoid you and consider you creepy
>accosted by security and asked to leave
>do not pass go, do not collect qt gf
>>27621110
>nomadic lad
>village is alright for shops
>village becomes town
>town becomes city
>is f00ked now
>needs to find a rock to crawl under
>>27621099
>dating somebody you work with
>marrying them
Haha great plan!
>>27621021
Yeah? and what if that shit malfunctions?
Our bodies haven't physiologically changed enough for us to inhabit such spaces, we will always need some form of technology as a crutch.
>>27616527
Dude. Beautiful. And tragic!
>>27621162
No, you god damned retard. That is not how it works. Step out of your delusional world just once and you'll see how idiotic you are.
>robot goes somewhere
>literally nothing happens because nobody gives a fuck about some random other nobody
>people don't avoid you unless you give them a reason to avoid you
>even sitting like a lump random females will still approach you if you wait long enough for them to acclimate to your presence
This works. I have seen it work. It has worked for me. This is one of the oldest courting methods in existence. This is pretty much how it worked in OPs olden days fantasy scenario. Once you are around women long enough they will begin to divide up the men among one another.
>>27621099
Thats not the real world, that's modern civilization, and modern civilization is as far from the REAL world as you can get.
>>27621099
NOT THE BEES
yaah, technology is evolution in nature.
THUS robot is natural, because man is natural, an mans image is natural, even if it is evil as f00k...
>Getting them used to hell.
>>27621213
Your advice is literally
>just be yourself and girls will approach you ;)
Why should I take anything you have to say seriously? Like, anything at all?
>>27621197
what if a cave nigger's stick broke and he was mauled by a sabretooth?
what if a storm broke loose and capsized a ship?
what if the team of an expedition all caught malaria?
shit happens, just because we're not acclimated to something doesn't mean we shouldn't keep pushing and exploring
>>27621176
It is a great plan. Worked for millions of people around the globe for decades.
How else are you going to meet someone? At school? Maybe, but those years are fleeting and you don't get as much time together.
In a bar or nightclub? lel do you know how many people actually go out to those places? A fraction of the population. Mostly everyone marries their high school crushes, their coworkers, or random people their family or friends sets them up with (usually people from their work).
>don't date your coworker
>don't date a girl already in a relationship
>don't stick your dick in crazy
All lies designed to hold you back. The "alphas", the Chads as you call them will break all these rules in without a moment's hesitation, and so should you.
>>27621258
>>27621258
wew lads the levels of blue pill delusion from this guy
>actually advocating for men to risk their careers by dating at work
must be a desperate roastie or something
>>27621236
No. Do not be yourself. You are a jibbering retard who can't stop saying stupid and inappropriate things.
Be normal. This is why all the normal people continually tell you to be yourself, because they think you're normal. For you that's acting fake, and that's what you have to do. Newflash: this is true for everyone. Nobody is actually going around telling anyone how they really feel.
Best thing for you to do is say nothing as much as possible. Literally sit there like a rock and eventually some meek female will be tempted into thinking maybe she will luck into a boyfriend by asking you your name. She will not be pretty. She will not be skinny. But she will be a woman, and she may even be a good wife and mother if you give her a chance.
Great thread or greatest thread?
>>27621099
>associate with the females there
>tfw there are maybe 7 girls I work with
>they all flirt with the same few chads and ignore the other 12 or so guys
>they all have boyfriends anyway (I know because all they do is talk about them)
>>27621079
>what is I don't know shit
You.
>>27621286
Where are you saudi arabia>?
>Only fembots/mimics of fembots call it dating.
>>27621286
>men to risk their careers
Oh yeah, that job at Little Caesars or Kroger is really irreplaceable, kek.
Anyway, people fraternize at literally every single workplace and as long as you are not a complete fucking moron you can get along with it fine without your boss ever being the wiser or giving one shit about it if they do. This is how the world works, you're buying into 4chan beta fantasies to think otherwise.
>>27617318
This nigga gets it.
Human life is exploitation and terror.
robots you would be even worse off if this fantasy came true. First off it's way harder to get laid and the peasants don't get any pussy. Right now you can abuse the internet and dating sites and potentially mate with thousands of different women. Second the past was crawling with nasty white knights. These were real white knights too not just some memeword like today
F00k off natures leads by acting different, knob-heads.
>>27621324
c'mon, try harder manif against all odds, you're actually serious; you need to actually refute a claim fucknugget
>Classical Greece - Aristophanes writes several plays highly suggestive that there was a massive feminist undercurrent in politics of the day
>Classical Rome - Many occurences of highly powerful women. Literally 100% of stories of crucifixions and gladiatorial deaths are men
>Old Testament makes hundreds of references to issues of sexual power disparities and female sexual immorality
>4th-5th Century Asian - Buddhist religious texts like the Dhammapada make repeated references to the immorality, especially sexual immorality of women
>"Modern" feminism in 1800+ repeatedly involves women attempting to leverage control within marriage, to outlaw the need to marry betas, etc.
These are just a handful of examples. OP is suffering from the blue-pilled tendency to believe that women "elsewhere" or "at other times" MUST have been oppressed and\or must have been better behaved. If he were to actually examine any of the specifics, for example - he'd find that it's a complete illusion. Most common case of this is people (often MRA's\anti-feminists) arguing that India is "third world shithole" where women are raped and where feminism is "justified". Any actual observation of Indian society shows that it's probably the most misandric country on Earth.
The relationship between men and women has always been troublesome, there have always been issues of power. Men have always been cucked, and if anything anyborn born to this generation is likely to be more red-pilled and aware of female hypergamy\dishonesty than ever before. Generations immediately preceding us lived in a sort of dark-age of consciousness about women, where women had gained complete ascendancy in all realms and where men were literally unable to discuss this shit and become aware. This is why the word 'cuck' is so powerful now - because it represents a painful and terrifying awakening to reality, much as 'red pill' does.
>>27621305
>She will not be pretty. She will not be skinny. But she will be a woman, and she may even be a good wife and mother if you give her a chance.
desperate landwhale detected
try eating less instead of trying to shame mentally ill people on a chinese cartoon imageboard into dating you, you fat fuck.
>>27616527
>>27616537
lol you forgot the part where I watch my parents, kids, and then wife succumb to the bubonic plague before doing so myself
>>27621315
I bet ya, I just bet ya there are several females there you are not counting. The invisible women who you have already disqualified because they don't meet some stupid standards you have. Either too old, too young, too fat, too annoying, too liberal, too hipster, too ugly, or any combination in between. Well you ain't hot stuff either, anon.
>>27620630
top post
a shame this wasn't original.
>>27621350
>Everyone on /r9k/ is a loser NEET or working a minimum wageslave job!!!
good job
some of us enjoy our jobs and careers and don't want to risk a sexual harassment lawsuit just because some white knight faggot thinks I should get married and provide for some roastie
Fuck off with your bluepill bullshit.
>>27621250
Apples and oranges, you cant compare earthly dangers to space dangers, even being in space alone takes a heavy toll on the body which previous exploration did not demand.
>>27621380
I'm a guy who is in his 30s and wishes he had married the landwhale.
Sex is the most overrated thing in the world. Good wives are underrated. Fat women make good wives.
>>27621417
>he's worried about sexual harrassment
lmao I bet you didn't have sex in college either because you were afraid women would accuse you of rape
>>27621380
Too articulate to be a female. You kids are so gullible it's cute
>>27621435
>wishes he had married the landwhale
So you're a loser who can't do any better and you want other people to be as miserable and pathetic as you?
>>27621449
I didn't go to college, work in a tech job
>>27621250
Its actually during these times that the story of Icarus comes to mind, flying too close to the sun and away from the earth will ultimately end in our death.
The skies, waters, and mountains should be enough to satisfy our taste in exploration.
>>27621469
Ah, so you are autistic. Then I recommend
>>27621213
>>27621305
>>27617948
I...I think I love you.
Les commentes originale
>>27621213
this is absolutely insane.
I bait incels for fun and I've never had the audacity to say "just sit around and eventually a woman will approach you."
are you trying to troll the trollers?
>>27621215
Anon, I hate to tell you this but: modern civilization IS the real world. Everything that exists now is the real world and is a legitimate as anything that came before it or will come after it. This is not artificial or unreal in any way. This is nature.
>>27621454
No, I want other people to not be as miserable as me or wouldn't be making the posts I am in this thread. I'd be perpetuating the same foolish delusions this board is always pushing that keeps everyone locked up here.
>>27621497
>if you don't wife up these sluts you are an autistic manbaby!!!
Why do you care so much?
If you're not a roastie, why does it matter if another man wants to get married? Why are you so aggressive and forceful about it? Why use shaming tactics if someone doesn't want a normie existence with 2.2 kids and the white picket fence?
This really is something that only women get butthurt about so I'm pretty suspicious.
>>27621489
nope~ nope~ nope~ man can build own star an feed off that silly, *chuckles*.
>>27621421
>>27621489
Icarus can go fuck himself
At sea, there was great risk of catching a variety of FUCKING AWFUL diseases, the ship sinking, being fucked up by pirates, and all sorts of nasty shit.
The same is true of every age of human exploration in our history.
Doesn't matter how hard something is, how inhospitable the place, we should always push on and strive to know and discover more.
Our species has been around for the blink of an eye on a geological timescale. In this time we have completely eclipsed all other lifeforms on our planet and made ourselves apex predators. We never had claws, insane strength, speed or sharp teeth. Instead, we had ingenuity, and look how far it's gotten us.
>>27621509
I am telling them what actually happens in the daily life of people who leave their rooms to do more than go to the bathroom or grab something out of a refrigerator.
You sound like some PUA and your opinions about the matter are even less valid than the virgins of this board who probably at least observe women from a distance with any interest as something other than a sex object or game.
>>27621548
You are in the tech industry and you never went to college and you post on /r9k/. This means you have an extremely high likelihood of being literally non-meme autistic. I am not making a personal judgement about you in this regard, I am stating a fact.
Are you, or are you not on the spectrum somewhere?
>>27621600
>>27621305
>>27621236
>>27621099
>Tinder doesn't exist bro, most women just want to be good wives and mothers
>Just sit around and women will eventually pair up with you ;)
>Just be yourself and a good provider bro ;)
>be sure not to sign any prenups btw go- I mean guy.
Fuck off white knight faggot, you don't belong here.
>>27621548
>Why use shaming tactics if someone doesn't want a normie existence with 2.2 kids and the white picket fence?
Also you will note I have never once shamed anyone for not getting married. Only said the ideas /r9k/ has about the difficulty of finding a partner are vastly overblown to the point of being lies.
>>27621623
>This means you have an extremely high likelihood of being literally non-meme autistic.
You literally do not know what autism means.
Hint: it's not a synonym for being socially awkward.
>>27621584
you are high rising inspiring one. tis good to feeel.
> :)
>>27621641
Tinder is fine. Online dating sites are fine. There are a lot of relationships that come about from them, but I don't think the average /r9k/ user is going to have as much success with them as the methods I've described so far.
And yes, you can literally sit around in a place where women frequent and one will eventually give you the opportunity to do something more with her. This is how it worked for most of history in just the way OP is describing. People didn't date, they simply got used to one another.
>>27621696
>Lots of relationships come from Tinder
>be sure to give that girl from Tinder a chance, goy, she's totally wife material :^)
wew
>this thread
hahaha this is why I browse R9K
Don't ever go changing you crazy autists
>>27621525
No it is not, it is artificial, artificiality is defined when an environment that was impacted upon begins to have a greater effect on the creature that created such an environment than the initial intervention.
A beaver creates a dam which intervenes upon the environment but it is not unnatural because it does not continue to change the beaver moreso than the beaver's intervention.
Human civilizations have made man more domesticated and bonobolike, they have affected man more-so than man's initial intervention upon the environment.
TLDR:When an environment begins to change an organism moreso than the organism's effect on the environment then it can be said to be unnatural.
>>27616527
You're born into a small village in Europe 1000 years ago.
Too bad, your mother died during childbirth and you're stillborn.
Try again? Y/N
>>27621658
I know it isn't. I am talking about the medical condition, which you have not denied having so far in two posts about the subject, and once when specifically asked about it.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2536193/it-management-asperger-s-and-it-dark-secret-or-open-secret.html
>>27621725
Everything man does is natural. It's impossible for men to do things which are not in their nature, because their nature is defined by what they do.
>>27621738
No dumbass, I don't have autism. Eat a dick you white knight faggot.
Fuck outta here with your "just give that landwhale a chance and risk your career, it'll be totally worth it" bullshit.
>>27621736
>N
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>>27621721
>this post
hahaha i mean the only thing more pathetic than being a retard is being someone who laughs at them, i bet you go to special schools all the time and laugh at the students there too right?
Never change smug douchebag.
>>27616527
You forgot the tapeworms OP. Oh yeah, and the bland food, because spices and seasonings haven't been brought to Europe and no one can afford them anyways.
>>27616646
But, what you dont realise, is that we're all inbred retards
>>27621770
>he still thinks he's risking his career by asking a girl at work out for a movie or a lunch
>>27621811
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/barbara-kay-in-canada-asking-for-a-date-can-bring-a-harrassment-claim
ayy
>>27621600
Not a PUA. I think they are far more pathetic than robots.
I've literally never been rejected by a girl, so I have no doubt I am chad. But none of them have ever approached me. They just make eye contact and wait for me to make the first move, or eventually give up.
Hardly anyone here is an actual NEET. 90% have been through high school and/or worked at some job. They've experienced society, that's why they hate it. Telling robots that it's normal to be approached by women will drive them closer to suicide, or cause them to go supreme.
All these fedoras idiots saying civilization now is better than de medieval age, going "b-but muh tecnology" fuck your modern health system, fuck modern science, medications, prossesed garbaje food, chemicals everywhere contamining the world, fuck psychology.
What is it cucks? Are you affraid of a clean perfect virgin vagina? It's almost you really prefer doing all the flirting bullshit and being a dancing monkey for women, just to get an used cunt who most likely doesnt give a shit about you (OP os right about that) jesus christ wake the fuck up, modern world/civilization/society sucks dick, its a fucking chaos.
>>27621757
Its not natural if it has a greater effect on him than his initial effect on the environment.
No other animal has such an effect on their environment that it changes them, and so we can use this as the standard for what is natural.
Now if you want to hold humans up to a different standard, then thats your prerogative but assuming we are consistent in the application of our principles like with animals, modern human civilization IS unnatural.
>you will never wake up when the rooster crows at dawn and fondle your wife as the sun peaks out over the hills
>you will never put on your pants and shirt that your lovely wife prepares everyday but hand washing them
>you will never eat a bowl of porridge sweetened with a drop of honey and with fine herbs you collected yourself in there for seasoning
>you will never kiss your wife and take the bread the local baker, your friend since birth, made with you out into the woods so you have something to eat while hunting
>you will never silently track a deer until you can close in the kill with your bow
>you will never drag your hauls back to the butcher, who pays you honest coin for an honest day's work
>you will never pat your dog on the head as you walk into your humble yet cozy house
>you will never take your wife in your arms from behind as she prepares dinner over the fire in the room
>you will never say hello to your children and give them each a big hug and tell them about your adventures with fairies in the woods, the same stories your father told you and his told him
>you will never fuck your wife in the comfort of your bed after a long days work in the forests
>you will never take the family to church on Sunday and hear the Good News of our lord and savior Jesus Christ, Hallowed by His name
>you will never shitpost on the church door with all your childhood friends from your village
>your wife will never grow pregnant with your third child, where you must help her around the house
>you will never experience the comfort of the cycle of fucking your wife, whose beauty is natural and free from any cosmetics or reconstruction, and watching her grow pregnant with your children.
>you will never die a respected woodlands ranger with your loving wife by your side and your children, who all went on to become good adults, holding your hands
>>27617948
>le humans are le animals le life le me le happiness le le, le le le, le situations le escape le depression le hardships
Kill yourself
You're born into a small village in Europe 1000 years ago.
There are only a few other your age, so you meet all of your friends during childhood and grow up beside them. You explore in the woods, make games, laugh together. You never leave the lands you're born on but that's okay because all of your friends and family are assured to stay here as well.
The girl of your dreams, Stacy, gets married to the wealthy merchant Chad. You choose a life of celibacy over marrying Babushka, the 500 pound self-entitled leper. Your father is disappointed in your decision and has you do all the back-breaking work for the rest of your life. Meanwhile, Stacy is pregnant of Chad's child, and due to her status you are forced to come to Chad's wicked party to celebrate. Several months later Stacy dies of complications during childbirth, and Chad marries Tracy, the second girl of your dreams. Tracy bears Chad several wonderful children, who all get married before you.
You die around age 30-35, much earlier than the modern year. In a drunken rage you assaulted Brad, son of Chad, and was sentenced to death. No one bothers to remember your name.
>>27619504
>People will never remember individual scientists nowadays.
That's because the average person does not give a fuck about science outside of pop "scientists" like Carl Sagan and the black space dude.
Any scientist will easily be able to give you the names of the influential people in their field as well as describe their achievements. Which you would know if you were more than an angsty teenager, shitposting on a Fijian acupuncture forum.
>>27621865
>fedora idiots saying civilization now is better
It's not fedora to say that civilization is better now you fucking idiot. It's more fedora to say that it was better back then.
I mean, there's a reason that fedoras literally wear antiquated hats from the 1940s: because they're losers now but they fantasize and pretend they wouldn't be losers 70 years ago. Same thing with this thread. You think you'd have a pure, blissful existence but you'd be losers in the dark ages too, you'd probably be some peasant tilling the fields in between plague breakouts and starvation and some Chad noble would come along and exercise the right to fuck your "wife" as is his noble right to legally cuck you, droit du seigneur.
>>27621725
Thee environment an the organism are both natural regardless of how extreme thee environment is for anatomical existence.
Nature in part, is elemental physics.
The term artificial is a flawed concept by people whom didn't/cant understand the reality of what is.
Humans have realised how they affect thee environment, and that is why there are developments to secure the welfare of the planet.
a reaction between states, like a gas, that humans release over time influencing environment and then 'naturally and inevitably' there maybe a bad reaction between gas an materials from surrounding environment, thas quite natural.
>>27621865
>said the virgin while using technology
No wonder you cucks are getting exactly what you're longing for.
>internet
>medicine
>porn
>videogames
>space
>aircraft
>computers
>physics
Yes. Go live in the woods if you don't like it, faggot. We won't miss you.
We are in a painful growth phase right now. Humans are animals, but we have built up a society which is much more advanced than any other animal culture in the history of all life in the known universe. It is so different now that it is almost alienating to us, as animals, in some ways. Human's end goal is to evolve past the state of being an animal. We are the unique only life form who is capable of potentially achieving this.
>>27621865
Thats what the other species said to before their inevitable demise into the fading echos of the cosmos.
This thread
>People confuse the opening segments of the Princess Bride with reality
>>27621879
You use what you wish, but we say you're functioning vastly incorrect = broken.
>>27621978
Nature is elemental physics but it is physics which remains relatively static in order for higher more complicated organisms to exist.
A beavers dam has not changed the beaver's behavior and physiology to the same extent as human civilization has changed humans.
The difference is the degree of how static the environment is in its effect on the organism which created the environment.
The less static and more chaotic the environment's effect on the organism is, the more unnatural it is due to its relative lack of order.
>>27621838
>taking advice from old women
This is the single most beta thing you can possibly do. Might as well start visiting Aunt Edna and asking about how her colonoscopy went. I'm sure you'll earn many good boy points.
>>27616527
What is it with agrarian idealism?
It wasnt fun. People died constantly and painfully. Starvation was an ever present threat. Just one long endless tragedy until your short life ended horribly. Why do you think all those english fuckers wrote such depressing shit all the time? That was just life.
>>27621891
to much skyrim, go out an play a bit.
>>27622088
>we
so you depend on consensus in order to validate yourself?
I dont blame you for never having heard of this definition of artificiality before, because it has been buried throughout the ages in order to justify the further degeneration of the natural order which benefits those who would not survive if it weren't for this very "real" environment. Its only "real" for them because they would not exist if it wasn't for it.
ARTIFICIAL
"1- In reference to environmental conditions it describes a set of circumstances brought about due to human interventions upon natural processes.
2- The point in space/time when an organism's inter-activities, and interventions, begin to affect it more than the conditions it intervened upon. The collateral effects are called pollutants.
Usually interventions are directed by a human idea(l), a goal, a motive.
3- A manmade effect, technology/technique, phenomenon, which would not have been created without human intervention.
The roots of all such phenomena are in the past, and constitute a recombination of past (natural) phenomena in unique or artificial ways.
4- The human brain's ability to foresee, project, speeds up the natural selection process, but it also speeds up the process of trial and error.
Human interventions, using the past, as a guide, are essentially a fast-forwarding of the natural selection process.
Phenomena remain viable only within human environments, and would not persist without continuing human interventions.
This creates a self-referential system, within which social or memetic selection, guided by a human idea, motive, supersedes genetic selection, producing unforeseen collateral effects"
>>27616527
>implying my wife wouldnt of just died at childbirth
you dont know shit OP
>>27616589
This.
The Earl of Chadwick was fucking lady Stacey and other ye Olde sluts on the side whilst living it up on his parents gold
Down in the villages Chaedfurth the blacksmiths hunky apprentice was admired by the peasant girls and fucking the hot ones and getting sucked off on the daily
The King was chad supreme
The nobles were chads
The Knights were chads
The local sheriff was a chad
Every village would have had at least one chad
You'd have been sent off to the monastery or priory to become a priest, or if you were lucky your dad might beg the local knight or lord to take you as a page or squire and you'd have a shot at chadhood
If you couldn't make friends now, what makes you think you could make friends in medieval times? Especially with a small handful of people to choose from, it's very possible that all of the village children would hate you, considering the fact that you failed to get and friends out of hundreds/thousands of schoolchildren during your real childhood.
Teeth ache, rot, fall out, mouth gets infected, you die young.
Bone breaks in childhood, didn't get set quite right. In pain for life.
Bed bugs and lice are a constant plague. If you've never had them, you simply cannot imagine how bad they are.
A fire, storm, drought, flood, or plague could destroy your entire society.
Get a scratch? Hope it doesn't get infected, or you die a horrible death.
Half your kids die. Your friends and family randomly die in horrible ways.
You are uneducated, don't understand anything, don't get to appreciate modern benefits, like culture, art, or entertainment. Your work is unbelievably dull and there is not even a possibility for advancement.
You have to be a Christian and spend hours in church hearing prayers and bible stories told to you in Latin. Many hours of this on Sunday, several hours throughout the week. This will be what you do instead of entertainment, go listen to a priest who explains that you are going to burn in hell unless you pay him for forgiveness.
>>27622092
you mean like domesticated animals, dogs cats sheep pigs, the sort.
They have not changed much with environmental chaos still natural.
next.
>>27622151
Iam more than one self as you put it. haha.
>>27622151
your point being you hate humans an wish them to stop/slow procreation, f00k off pleb, procreate people. enjoy your feels, f00k the ziotard.
>>27616527
>>27616537
You're right OP. And I don't care what the naysayers say since I can predict what it will be. I don't care if there is no medicine and less food and good internet. Modern society is so unnatural and fucking stressful.
>>27622390
>I hate humans because i don't think that a system which feminizes, emasculates, and makes people more bonobolike is natural.
k
They just wants me to say it, that humans are a disease an need to be wiped the f00k out.... :|
but really then there would be no point to intellect, an no point to cosmos.
soooooooooooo, move along please nothing to see ere.
>>27616527
You should read the Unabomber manifesto if you haven't OP, it's exactly what you're saying. Modern society's surrogate activities and artificial goals wreak havoc on the human pysche. We developed way too fucking fast, simple as that.
Professors mind is stronger than your own, an you have brawl, but professor has science, so acid to the face then, or just gas, you chose, see how strong you are, see if you make it, mind over matter..
>>27616527
>Middle age peasant child
>playing or exploring
That's not how you spell farm work and prayer. Not that any of them could spell or read.
>>27617500
Yeah the number is now 1 to 5. kek.
>>27622556
Even literal slaves farming cash crops in the US had ample time for recreation. Go read the archive of those slave testimonies they did in the 30s, the kids played in the woods and fields all the time. And some yuroplebs working subsistence farming of their own volition wouldn't be anywhere near as loaded with work as them.
>>27616527
>10 kids
You know nothing.
Your wife would usually die after one or two childbirths, not to mention all of the stillborns.
>peaceful
What about roaming packs of gangs? Pillaging your precious village and raping your mother, wife, and daughters.
>virgin wife
Women have always been whores.
You're also ignorant to the fact that disease and famine ran rampant.
There were no vaccines, no hospitals, no dentists, etc.
If you got an infection, you lost a limb in a gruesome ""surgery"".
If you got sick or bitten, hell, even scraped with a rusty knife, you'll suffer disabilities or probably just death.
Rudimentary agriculture was very poor.
If a growing season was poor, you and your 10 kids would starve to the point of eating cats, dogs, maybe even each other.
Smh
>>27622631
meme history: the post
Do you really believe that it was constantly that bad? Get real.
Uh, you do know that the leading cause of death of women under the age of 19 is/was childbirth, right? Childbirth was risky business back then.
Also:
>what is plague, cholera, parasites, etc
>no bathing unless you were in Asia most likely
>"pretty" back then is different than "pretty" nowadays, since women back then were dirty, had little to no makeup, no skincare products, little hair are products, no braces so fucked up teeth, bad breath, no shaving, etc
>if you weren't rich, you were pretty much denied everything ever
>modern sanitation nonexistent, so everything is shitty and full of trash
>your virgin waifu accused of witchcraft? LOL BURN HER AT THE STAKE, TOO BAD FOR YOU
>most people are illiterate aside from nobility and religious leaders
>hive mentality means that everyone remembers if you fuck up once
>no modern medicine so you're in pain from hard labor and any injuries you may sustain, like broken limbs or other ailments
You literally just want a virgin teenage waifu that adheres to your modern beauty standards and you don't want to work in a cubicle. Just say that.
se how rats breed when not controlled.
Its natural, over breeding, taking over peoples sh1ts, its called survival, you're dreams are distorted, now.
>>27622649
>if I call it a meme, then I must be right!
I never said it was always bad, but it was definitely challenging and often deadly.
Why do you think we made medicines and industry if life was so easy?
Why did we construct armies, taxes, governments, etc if we were all so safe and happy in our little farms?
Get real, faggot
>>27622715
Armies, taxes, and governments existed in the 11th century man.
>>27616527
>But when you die you're not absolutely literally falling apart, hooked up with a bunch of machines, being pumped with tons of meds, shitting into a bag. You pass away peacefully
Harold Shipman just wanted to spare people from this hell
>>27622748
16 years into the century?
Didn't think so, faggot
BTFO
>They hurry like savages to get aboard an iron train
>And though it's smoky and it's crowded
>They're too civilized to complain
>When they've got two weeks vacation
>They hurry to vacation ground
>What do they do Danny?
>They swim and they fish,
>But that's what I do all year round
>>27622783
Do you think 1016 was like the stone age or some shit? I notice you said agriculture was rudimentary and even that's not really true, the three field system was developed by then and that made subsistence farming pretty ezmode for yuropeasants.
>thinking medieval Europe was like your video games
>being this much of an autist
>>27616537
What if I told you it was possible to be a Chad/Sperg hybrid?
>>27616527
Yes, it was totally worth it.
We may as well be godlike aliens compared to Europeans 1000 years ago. And we have the benefit of being run by Jews that leave us alone rather than being run by King Chad just because his great-great grandfather was the biggest Chad in Europe and the Pope's favourite of the local warlords.
You'd have to be the thirstiest man alive to give up 1000 years of civilization just for a gf.
>>27616527
1000 years ago robots wouldn't be normalfag serfs. We'd be local saints that don't have any sex and live in caves half naked.
>>27621099
Thanks for explaining, I enjoy glimpses into the normie world, if only to fully appreciate the extent of my alienation from it.
>>27622922
This is OP we're talking about here.
Of course he'd give up everything to go do something he could still easily accomplish.
>be 2016
>find Christian virgin waifu
>go in forest
>build shelter, hunt fish, rabbits, deer, while waifu collects berries, roots, and grows oats/wheat, bring a goat for milk/cheese and chicken/rooster for eggs
>still have modern toothbrush and make my own toothpaste
>have tampons, pads for chick, get her pregnant while you're alone in the woods
and you can do so much more, travel, play vg, do anything. Why is OP such a fucking beta tard?!
I remember when al first sparked, to motion, shiny little things you were...
a machine OP
>>27621305
>She will not be skinny
Meaning what? If you mean she'll be overweight, lel, not worth it.
How hard is it to not stuff one's face, considering the dire social ramifications of doing so? What kind of person would do that?
>>27622882
tricsperg, yeah they've been referenced.
>>27617528
>Not wanting to be a glorious dunmer living in a 50 foot tall musroom with magic lightyears ahead of the rest of Tamriel bar particular individuals and secret orders.
Sure literally all the women are mega-roasties but that doesn't matter when you can own a harem of qt catgirls.
>>27622976
>make my own toothpaste
pls kill yourself.
>>27623007
What would you if I really did kill myself right now? I bet you'd cry you faggot. http://www.livingthenourishedlife.com/12-natural-toothpaste-alternatives/
>>27622992
Could you explain further? I feel the power inside me and I feel I may be one of those....tricspergs.
I bet he'd be in shock for a sec or two, then it would ware off as usual, dogs they are like, humans, now, brain assimilation an al.
>>27622983
>considering the dire social ramifications of doing so?
the social ramifications are way overstated, especially for women. Most fat chicks are still getting their cunt filled whenever they feel like it.
>>27623054
>I feel I may be one of those
Needing no further explanatory statements.
>tfw I will never live a fairly healthy woodland/taiga life, farming and owning some natural wild land and livestock, hunting, fishing and blacksmithing near/with other farmers/hunters in pre-soviet era East-central Europe
>although disease, parasites and all that would be a problem, natural living and age-old medicinal remedies could help cure it, like certain teas and birch sap, not drilling holes in skulls like the dark ages or whatever..
>globalization and industrialization to the point of the modern-day world is slowly polluting/killing what our ancestors took years to create and pass to us
feels bad man
>>27616527
>1000 years ago
Thinking small. More like 15000 years ago.
Ever since people started sticking seeds in the ground we've been civilized.
>>27623069
One agrees that they go for the mentally handicapped, drunked. skinny, drug taking, desperado, low life typa felos, fat chicks, depends how insecure he is >place currency here< an how manipulative she is also.
>>27623147
>tfw I will never fly
>tfw everything sucks and is bad
>tfw it's all over
>tfw byebye
>You will never be a Mongol, riding horses all day and brutalizing the freedom of Tengri to the world.
>You will never go home to your yurt and rawdog your young wife all night.
The thing that gets me is that women in the West have less excuse than ever before to act like this:
>Highest level of civilisation in human history
>Best nutrition, widest variety of fresh fruit and veg available to average person
>Air conditioning, heating, clean housing, running water toilets
>As bad as the average education is, never has there been wider basic literacy and numeracy and access to information
I think this is a matter of personal morality and choice. As much as we like to heap shit on women, only 2% of the males here are adult virgins, the rest are fornicators. Our fathers and mothers and grandparents weren't active in building a culture that values sexual relationships. In the past when people have tried to enforce moralities like these, they've done so in a brutal, disgusting way that's only had bad consequences anyway. Most of the MGTOW types are guys who got burned after serially dating and pursuing women. Sure, women act much worse than guys, but what right to these guys really have to complain? They contributed to that poisonous culture too. We're all just children.
>>27622947
at least saints back then were and are seen as holy guys who see materialistic things as bullshit and god as the only thing they need.
respected, yet living like dogs
>>27621891
>implying your frugal wife wont shoe your hand away
>implying you can afford to wash clothes daily or even have spare ones
>implying you can afford honey or that herbs are available more than two months per year
>implying you arent expected to make your own bread, full of stone sand and ruining your teeth
>implying hunting is something you'd do daily or could even afford to do as a lowlife
>implying you arent meant to field the deer yourself, on the spot
>implying the dog didnt come hunting with you
>implying open display of sexual attraction is acceptable
>implying your children arent working outside on the farm
>implying your sex life is more than 5 minutes of quiet missionary with the lights out per evening
>implying god exists
>implying your friends havent mostly died
>implying pregnancy isnt half a death sentence
>implying your pig farmer wife doesnt look worse than your dog
>implying anyone cares about a poacher dying and his brood starving
As someone who spend his first decade in this world waking up to the rooster, I can tell you I hated it every single time.
>>27623177
>you will never destroy farms in your crusade, thus causing forests to grow and thus making a positive climate change
>you will never make almost everyone in the most populous parts of the world your descendant
>>27623039
i would die from laughter
and that would be two birds with one stone. but you wasnt even serious about the toothpaste thing, were you?
>>27616631
the number is 40% and that stoped being the case a couple thousand years ago,
as in once farming and roads and written language was invented that went from 40 to 81%
>>27618270
NETHERLANDS
ETHERLANDS
THERLANDS
HERLANDS
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RLANDS
LANDS
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NDS
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>>27616527
>he's so afraid of being cucked that even in this retarded post he has to clarify white people.
You're fucking killing me over here senpai.
>>27623200
>only 2% of the males here are adult virgins
You really think so?
Yeah, think of it as the bloodlines perished, are as ya own...
>you realise it really only matters, when your bonded to this place, the cosmos.
>you equate that the verse ..cosmos.. is only here for you to realise it.
When you ...collectively/... arent here, its useless/pointless an thus finishes cosmos.
>>27623451
Sorry, I'll correct myself. I meant to say that only 2% of us are wizards.
Still, by the time 98% of male r9k posters are 30 they've had sex with a woman, almost all the time it's not within some sort of 'marriage for lifetime' arrangement. Most the time it's casual sex.
>>27623497
I'd be surprised if less than 2% of males in general end up wizards, and /r9k/ visitors seem likely to be more wizard-prone than the general population.
Shit progressively sucked worse for the average unassuming person the further back in history you go, regardless of location.
There was definitely adventure to be had, but a pretty short list of adventurers throughout history. I'd honestly rather live in a time where a guy can make millions of dollars on the internet by screaming at videogames like a child and hope that similar random fortune strikes me.
>>27621865
I sure bet you enjoy using your computer anon. Also what kind of person says fuck modern medicine? I bet you use "holistic" treatments haha shit, why the fuck do you care about pussy so much? I don't get it
My father and his family came from Rhodesia. They were conservative Christians who owned a large plot of land, and lived in a community of other conservative Christians.
My father tells me that he used to sit outside on his front porch and watch wild Kudu Bucks graze, and that when he rode his motor cycle to town, he used to see people stopping their vehicles for the odd giraffe to pass.
He told me how there was always a vast abundance of food, and how even the black farm workers used to get thick juicy steaks every Friday, had electricity and lived better than Africans anywhere else in Africa.
My dad tells me that when the Africans took control of the country from the white man after Rhodesia's surrender, he remembers watching the forests burn. The first thing they did was, much like orcs from Lord of the rings, they poached all the surrounding wildlife, and burned vast acres of forests, and later deforested the rest for firewood.
My father packed a small bag of his possessions, hopped on his motorcycle and entered South Africa as a refugee. To this day he has no idea what happened to his family farm. All he knows for certain is that his rural idyllic life in Rhodesia was now over, a life that he would never see again.
>>27616527
Now let me tell you how it would actually go:
>born, if you don't die in childhood from smallpox/malnourishment you grow up stunted and scarred
>father regularly beats you cause that's how it goes
>forced into marriage, you hate your wife and she's ugly and dirty but hey now you can beat her all you want
>have to pay taxes to someone you have never even seen
>got conscripted
>endure the shitty food and rampant disease
>chad thunderknight kills you in your first battle from horseback
>you were 20
Fuck you and everyone that idolizes a delusional vision of the past.
>>27623685
I agree with you. Hell, unless you were fortunate enough to know how to read and have access to more than a handful of grammar books (or lived in a place frequented by real adventurers) you and your family probably had no idea what adventures awaited. I live in the country where fishing and bobcat wrestling is still an option and it's just not an attractive prospect at all.
Most people also forget that FEUDALISM was a thing, and that people living in any interesting place were probably serf as hell. Good luck finding time to have adventures when your only brother gets polio and you have to support your widowed mother and her five daughters!
>>27624595
>chad thunderknight
>>27616527
>>27616537
civilization =/= capitalism
>>27624595
>father regularly beats you cause that's how it goes
Possibly...
>forced into marriage, you hate your wife and she's ugly and dirty but hey now you can beat her all you want
>actually buying into patriarchy theory.
More likely she'll be the one beating you, and you won't be able to do a thing because the moment you lift a hand, you have her whole family and possibly the village willing to destroy you.
>>27624697
Bullshit. Don't be delusional.
>>27624697
>More likely she'll be the one beating you, and you won't be able to do a thing because the moment you lift a hand, you have her whole family and possibly the village willing to destroy you.
Your post is ridiculous. Maybe if you were dating nobility, otherwise kids got beaten and wives got beaten. Even the Bible casually mentions wife beating without condemning it. You know why? Because it was fully expected. Even 1930s America was halfway okay with putting a woman back in line with a swift backhand. This thread is full of people conflating today's morals with yesterday's.
>>27616527
>i just listened to OK Computer: the post
>>27616527
You'd probably be ded without modern civil action, you degenerate faggot.
>>27624726
If you were actually putting her life in danger something would probably be done, but otherwise, yes, no one would interfere or disapprove of moderate wife-beating.
>>27616527
In the middle ages, people were not healthy just because they worked outdoors op. Most actually starved, since all they ate was a few vegies and a few loafs of bread (after taxes).
Oh, and you might be obligued to share your wife with the local noble.
Movies nowadays give this romantic look, but life back then really really sucked.
>>27616527
You forgot the part where your village was raided and your family raped and sold as slaves. Or the part where you died to some silly accidental wound that went bad. Not to mention the constant food issue. Not saying you're wrong, just pointing out that you're painting a biased
story.
>>27624645
The only "adventure" one could afford was poaching under the penalty of death lol.
All the game belonged to the fief's lord.
>>27616589
Actually all women needed a man to provide for them and anything outside of marriage was blasphemy so you couldn't possibly be more wrong.
>>27616631
That's from some early prehistoric bottleneck, not relevant at all.
>>27624854
Better than what it is now
>not healthy since you eat rigged and processed food
>a flawed education systen designed to please elites and women into power
>crime at a record high thanks to niggers and minorites destroying civilization.
>said criminals genociding and commiting violence in your own home while you cant do anything about it since the goverment wants you to show hospalitality to these savages.
>Having to work long hours and get paid barely enough to eat along with a massive student loan because we were lied about education and uni being important.
>women are all lose and as a result, impure children with high chances of inperfections is all the rage.
>Die of a young rip age due to cancer, terrorism, or diabetus.
>>27621162
>i work security
>a qt once asked me to check on an elderly relative of hers and gave me a really relieved smile when I told her they were ok
CHAD STATUS SOON
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>>27616917
>nature is a harsh taskmaster and so is human culture
Gee could it possibly be because "human culture" is an immediate product of nature? Why are people so dumb
>>27624929
Id rather have my chances with junk food and the occasional street crook than a life of serfdoom, hardwork, starvation and war.
For fuck sakes, its a no brainer lol. Even the nobility was a victim of their political schemes and constant war.
The one life that might approach today's standards might have been a citizen of the roman empire (a free one with a decent trade) during the classic age, and I still have my doubts.
>>27620838
>got tuberculosis
>better eat ma oranges
yeh buddy the earth provides
>>27618052
You are thinking of early cities, not villages and farms.
>>27624929
I make actual money by sitting on my computer and typing spammy words, and then spend that money on the infinite world of video games and delicious salty processed food. You will NEVER convince me that scything produce for stale bread would be more worthwhile.
I can't believe how wrong people see our history. Like it's either:
>Durr t'was lost paradise of ye olde wisdom, with chaste wenches, fun and humble but honorable and natural life
OR:
>Hurr, you fag it was hell on earth, infections/shit/whores/diseases/death/plague/knight-chads everywhere.
People tend to overdramatize history, to make it either look like paradise or hell, to make it ultra-naturalistic.
But guess what, anons - it was life, it was a bit harder but also bit simpler in a good way. It was not paradise, it was not hell.
>>27625131
Physical labor is hell for most people. Less than 5% of us would have been capable of landing an administrative role back then. And that's assuming robots were the only candidates to choose from. Before machines, do you know how much labor it took to feed one family let alone turn a profit?
>>27625168
I know very well, my friend. It is fucking hell to feed ONE guy from the land. But before we succumb to this rhetoric, we should acknowledge a very differently build community back then (any strife stick people together really good and individualism was nearly non-existent at that time) which helped a lot. After all, it was those "horrible dark ages" which set a first step to a bigger societies - something that would not be possible without great deal of cooperation.
>>27625222
>(any strife stick people together really good and individualism was nearly non-existent at that time
Can you give me a non-depression-era source for this? In today's world I do see poor helping the poor more often (although not in greater quantity) than the rich helping the poor, but personally I get hawk-like about that stuff. My depression-era relatives always talked about barter but they always relate it as if they got the shit end of the stick, like trading a cow they couldn't afford to feed for a lesser amount of bacon. I'm not doubting you - I'm genuinely curious.
>>27625131
There you go. This guy gets it.
>>27625168
No, it's not. It's what we've mostly been doing for all of history. You people would have been fixed and hardened by labor and life, or you would have died. You would not be helplessly whining about gender identity issues or existentialism.
>>27625269
It is just a common sense and reading through contemporary sources. I'm not sure it will help you, but I am getting my info from the local sources (Czech medieval chronicles that is) which tend to say a lot about our society back then, when you read carefully.
And why common sense? Because people would not survive without suppressing any stronger sign of individualism. Sure, there were cheating and thievery - as always and everywhere - but the punishments were severe and often final.
Also you correctly said about "rich helping poor", we live in the world where being poor is worsened by being alone in the ring. Back then it was "poor helping poor", communities were tightly knit.
If you want to take a look - and I am sorry if it will not be of any help in advance:
>Chronica Boemorum
>Hussite Chronicle (we don't have original name in latin)
>Chronicle of Dalimil
More like
>die of infection at the age of 11
Also
>consummate your marriage
Not unless you're a noble. Remember, your lord who owns you and your gf is the one who pops her cherry and you're forced to raise his kid.
>live to 55
Unlikely to go over 40 for most of history.
>die peacefully
You've got that mixed up. In modern times people die in much better condition than they used to. The reason you think being 'hooked up to machines' is bad is because you literally have no concept of what happens if you don't get medical treatment.
>>27616527
>die at 60
>pass away peacefully
>>27625404
Stop overly dramatizing it. It was not some paradise as OP said, but it was not shitty like you depict.
>your lord who owns you and your gf is the one who pops her cherry
"ius primae noctis" is historical fake which was not practiced in medieval Europe.
>Unlikely to go over 40 for most of history.
Again, not correct. For example, in ancient Greece it is supposed that male life-span was around 60 to 65 even. Most of the famous philosophers (which were NOT nobleman in any case) died around that age and some even after their 70s.
>The reason you think being 'hooked up to machines' is bad is because you literally have no concept of what happens if you don't get medical treatment.
Not sure about OP, but I do. I take euthanasia, thank you very much.
>>27625374
Thank you for the chronicles. I will read them. As for the common sense, I'm just going on my knowledge that humans can survive to child-rearing ages without much nutritional or social sustenance at all, from personal (yet choice-driven) experience. I can see your point though: social relationships were absolutely required back then, and without them you could not survive. I'm just wondering about the people who were too weird to foster barter-worthy relationships, like the beggars and the disfigured and the mentally ill. I will read those books though, being mostly relevant to my ancestry.
what if... the problems you're talking about actually got significantly worse only relatively recently?
>>27625513
Most philosophers were noble.
Farmers and slaves didn't have the security or freedom to read and write all day.
>>27625513
>philosophers death ages
You do realize that they had a social circle right? You're not going to let somebody you respect die from disease or starve easily - in fact you probably have wealthy patrons to support you. Most of us robots would have been the same cross-eyed antisocial pleb as we are now, especially if our parents were also cross-eyed antisocial beggar plebs.
>>27625580
They were not, anon. Noble philosophers (ie. Marcus Aurelius) were people with much less free time on their hands. And quite of them did not write anything, they were teachers.
>>27625592
That is exactly what I am refering to. People HAD to have social circles in order to survive, there were smaller but much more tightly knit communities. Today we have quite large but very alienated communities. Also there was a large sum of philosophers that were quite "antisocial" and without any rich patrons.
>>27625566
Quite happy to provide. Chronicles tend to be pain in the ass reading, lot's of useless stuff, but they are treasure when you are able to read between the lines and you are a bit patient when connecting them to the actual present knowledge.
>>27616527
City civilization was indeed a mistake.
>>27625672
>>27625592
Which philosophers did not have wealthy patrons? This is highly relevant to my interests.
>>27621213
>>even sitting like a lump random females will still approach you if you wait long enough for them to acclimate to your presence
Oh Chad, you misinformed simpleton
>>27621099
Worst part is that this isn't even bait.
Normalfags have it this easy and think everyone else does too
>>27619490
Bullshit
Life expectancy was short because infant mortality was through the roof.
Just because the "average age" was shorter in different time periods doesn't necessarily mean people died by age 50. All the (early) deaths brought down the average but people easily lived into their 70s and 80s
>You're born into a small village in Europe 1000 years ago.
It's the year 1016. It was a year in which all of Europe experienced famines.
>So great was the dearth that the peasant of the north, unable longer to secure dogs and horses to appease their hunger, sold themselves into slavery in order to be fed by their masters. All the land between Durham and York lay waste, without inhabitants or people to till the soil for nine years, says Beverly, and another writer accused the destitute of cannibalism.
What a dream, what a dream.
>>27625980
That, and there was no medicine.
You don't realize how lucky you are too have received all of those vaccinations as a child
Fun fact: peasants were rarely conscripted into war in the middle ages, as they were more valuable as farm workers than as warriors. In most battles, very few people even died or were wounded, because if one side began losing they would just run from the battlefield.
The Medieval Age was not as grimdark as many of the users here think.
>itt americans consider medieval yurop the same as early 20th century new world
>>27616527
Na, you would have been born the same and found other things to btich about
Posting on a Vietnamese retro future nuclear containment board about how sweet not having 4chins would be.
>2016
>wanting to live in the literal dark ages
>Not at least wanting ancient Athens
>Or prosperous town right before industrialization where you could work as an artisan
>forgetting that you'll probably just die from a bacterial infection anyways.
Holy mackerel
>>27616527
BRB no due process, people getting killed just for their color of their hair, smart people being burned as witches, almost permanent war, if you encountered a knight on the battlefield as a normal soldier you could also just lay down and die.
In my country a King once executed every second farmer, because some of them were protesting the vassal state.
>>27617500
>Posting a screenshot proving yourself wrong
Yeah, people can be this retarded.
Women are hypergamous, just deal with it, roastie. Nobody here is going to eat your shit up.
>>27626331
Building on this, there are clearly things wrong with modern society (mental illneds, overwork, poverty, racism, etc), but going to the dark ages is not the solution.
An egalitarian world where we all have what we need, where leisure and community are the focus, harnessing technology for our benefit rater than the profits of the 1% should be achieved. But of course they want you to wallow in nostalgia for a false past, rather than rise up and take what is rightfully yours.
>>27626436
Imagine a world with modern technology and ancient greek values.
Keep in mind that only very few of those values were revived during the Renaissance. A lot of our modern moral code is still rooted in fucked up christian dark age dogma.
>>27625571
>Obama was elected solely because of women
No, he was elected because of women and the fact that he is black.
>>27626556
and the fact that they cheated Ron Paul out of winning the nomination. The Republican establishment (especially wallstreet) was content with Romney losing, because they also had Obama in their pocket.
>>27626512
>le baby-fucking Greeks were the superior culture meme
i bet you're an atheist
>>27626331
Dark Ages are a myth. They never happened.
>>27626043
Vaccinations to diseases that didn't exist or didn't exist in the area you lived in 1,000 years ago.
>>27626512
Which values are those? If you mean the academic and critical enterprises of the philospher, then yes. If you mean slavery or having to be a Spartan soldier, then no.
>>27626626
No and neither were they, but they didnt have all those moral issues with talking about sexuality being immoral, while some inbred Chad King forcefucks some masons wife, while her husband is off being forced to fight just for the lulz of his King.
In addition to that, the ancient greeks valued mental capacity and the persuit of intellectual paths without any immediate practical application at least as much as they valued physical prowess.
They even went so far as to portray people like socrates as having god like bodies, not because of his physical capacity, but rather because of respect for his intellectual abilities.
>While our society is busy regressing to cavemen values, where a man who manages to land a drone on an asteroid gets shunned by society, because he is ugly and happens to wear the wrong shirt.
>>27626626
Most of our culture is based on Greek values and concepts developed in Classical Greece.
I'm not sure that arbitrarily appending "baby-fucking" to a word automatically disparages everything it stands for.
>>27626647
>TB has been around for 5 thousand years
>smallpox has been around for 10 thousand years
>measles has been around since the 9th century
>what is polio
>>hurr durr history was so pretty and fun :)))))
>>27626637
Do you know what the Dark Ages are anon, and why they are named that?
I'll give you a hint: it's to do with a drop in extant historical sources and material dating from that period in comparison to its tangent periods.
Every culture has a "dark age" when sources simply didn't survive due to political unrest/natural disasters, etc.
>>27626647
>polio
never existed
>meningitis
never existed
>tuberculosis
fake
>pneumonia
modern intervention
IT'S ALL CAUSED BY PLASTICS PEOPLE WAKE UP SHEEP
>>27626770
>>While our society is busy regressing to cavemen values, where a man who manages to land a drone on an asteroid gets shunned by society, because he is ugly and happens to wear the wrong shirt.
Meme instance.
We still recognize and praise technological advancements and their pursuers like Jobs, Zuckerkike, Gates, etc.
Sure, we don't know the name of every scientist, but to say that we are completely ignorant is just incorrect
Your wife probably died from giving birth due to no medical care. Half your kids would be dead from diseases due to no vaccinations. If you lived to age 60, you would be an outlier yourself.
I predict that humanity is going to go back to a "simpler" lifestyle. But it's going to happen due to automation and AI taking over all jobs. People think that only low paying jobs will be automated, but in reality you can use AI to replace just about anything if it's advanced enough.
People will be forced to live on a government-provided "basic income", and we'll go back to making our own clothes and shit like that.
>>27626803
Hadn't the church and its cronies killed of most scientififally literate people during the dark ages, we would have had the smallpox vaccine approximately 350 years ago and would be colonising far off solar systems by now.
>>27622665
>no bathing unless you were in Asia most likely
bathing was actually big back then, they did that homosexual group bathing like asians back in the day
>>27626864
You are correct. But let me remind you that there is a huge "no 'poo" movement going on right now where people think their natural oils can overcome things like yeast and regular hair nasties. This is in the age of internet. I don't doubt there weren't weirdos spreading fleas (and thus, tapeworm) with the same ideas in antiquity.
>all these weak neets defending their coalburning society
wew lad
>>27622665
the late 18th century and early 19th century was dirtier than the middle ages because of the slow rise of industry and factories and people living in overcrowded cities rather than on the land
>>27623203
>implying your frugal wife wont shoe your hand away
yeah but you own her and she has to fuck you the priest said so
>>27626837
>Jobs and Zuckerberg, real scientific achievements my ass.
Also consider the fact, that since the advent of television, we have been electing leaders based on their facial features and nonverbal language rather then their actual policy positions.
>>27626892
Mostly because it saved money. Bathing in a public bath without soap was asking for weird rashes. But if you could have the public bath AND spare the soap, you could feed your youngest child. Which would you choose, assuming you lived anywhere within walking distance of a public bath?
>>27619504
how bout that Higgs guy tho
>>27618944
>Europe's basically at peace
REFUGEES WELCOME
>>27626896
It's like they dream about being a cuckold farmer
>>27626856
Church, Muslims, and others all suppressed science for a while.
I know for sure that Islam made math illegal and completely destroyed the middle East forever.
Not too read up on the church's influence tho.
But there was some story about a monk that discovered calculus some 1k years before Newton, but someone wrote over his notes.
We'd be 1k years in the future right now if that guy had chosen a different peace of paper.
Spooky shit, famalamalamalamam
>>27616527
You forgot the part where you are 5 feet tall because of poverty and hunger and that murdering someone over nothing and war were very common.
And there is really no such thing as real medicine or doctors. And people were filthy. And people were insanely religious which could be dangerous if you slip up and do something that is prohibited. And that the idea of human rights and morals of today were not developed. And having to do whatever your ruler says you have to do.
Literally the only reason you want to live in such a shitty era is because you're a virgin and want a qt gf that you can have total control of.
I'm not saying that wanting that is bad but wanting to live in that time is awful and you're desperate if you're willing to do it.
We're living in the best times, whorish women is a small sacrifice.
>>27626913
You can hate Zuckerkike, but you can't deny the fact that he has remodeled the human experience.
You are now you're profile.
>looks
>job
>family
>current and past lovers
>education
You can't do anything major without some sort of social media. Even 3rd world pajeets feed into the kike's data mining machine
>Jobs
He was more of an artist than a scientist, but you still can't deny his influence and achievements.
>>>/pol/
>>27626924
Also Bor, Einstein, Schrodinger, Fritz Haber, Planck, Pauli, Salk, James Watson etc.
All these men grew up during a time, where Intellectuals were idolised. Upper class people back then knew all the names of important intellectual figures.
Fucking Stacys nowadays know 100x more famous Chads by name, than they do any historically or currently significant intellectuals.
>To bad that those same Stacies select which men breed and which dont.......
>>27616589
I think by 1000 AD this isn't true but yeah about the time agriculture was figured out, no joke the large majority of men did not produce. Women literally all fucked the rich farmers. There's a huge chance were the descendants of these farmers.
It really shows how women truly are. We already accept that men are scumbags that want to put out dick in everything but we haven't gotten to a point where it's acceptable to point out that women are naturally whores and will hook up with whoever had it best.
For a woman and a man to not be that is unnatural.
>>27619504
I always found it interesting that these guys didn't even start studying until like late 20s after random apprenticeships.
Nowadays they toss you into madrassahs to amass debt when you're barely 18 and don't know shit about life or the world
>>27627076
>looks, job, family, lovers, education
Implying these weren't the sole basis for social value before internet, huh? Bold. Even those who met a few of those criteria were still pleb material in "the day".
>>27626803
>>27626813
>polio
No major polio epidemics before the 20th century. Rarer than today 1000 years ago.
>meningitis
The first major outbreak occurred in Geneva in 1805.
>tuberculosis
Rare until urbanisation.
>pneumonia
Fair enough, although it typically only killed the young and the old and most were unaffected.
>smallpox
Wasn't common in Europe until the 16th century.
>measles
In populations in Europe it was endemic and therefore killed few due to natural immunities.
>>27616527
Late to the party
It isn't either/or
Plenty of 'modern' civilized' societies still have virtue, arranged marriages, etc. From Traditional Catholics to Mormons, to people for India, etc.
Don't confuse 'the local culture I see' with 'civilization'.
>>27626856
Please find me an example of one individual who the Church killed because of his scientific findings.
In reality, the Church was a huge supporter of science and essentially established Europe was the dominant continent.
>>27626843
Life sucked then and I don't think that people truly understand that we got to this safe and secure society through fucking up all those other years.
Rape, war, murder over little, superstition, etc, were just some of the very common behavioral problems, not to mention problems like sanitation,
poverty, and medical care.
I forgot the website but I remember reading about how common sexual and physically abuse was back then. Then you realize how older people were often hit then just roll the clock back even more Til you get to the point where inflicting harm was fine. A time where sexual abuse was the norm. A time where children were not idealized like they are today and were viewed as an ungrateful mouth to feed.
You want to see what Europe used to be, look at undeveloped societies today. Tell me that is acceptable.
>>27627147
>Rarer than today 1000 years ago
No shit? Really? Absolutely unbelievable. That wasn't my point at all. GROUNDBREAKING
>implying anything before 1600 didn't matter, ignoring the fact that many died before the cause was discovered
Yes, convincing. Good sleuthing. I hope you fixed the citations needed in the wiki articles too.
>>27627161
because people who challenged the churche's ideas definitely werent branded as heretics and thrown in jail.
also the suppression of medical research which reduced most doctors/surgeons who were experimenting to grave robbers
but you do you
>>27627076
>looks
>job
>family
>current and past lovers
>education
None of these actually matter, when it comes to a persons potential for scientific achievement. Most groundbreaking discoveries in history were made by people who had very basic education/ went to low quality universities.
Yet they had ambition, drive, dedication, focus and talent. Tell me, who is more likely to become a good scientist?
A) Some Chad who only studies medicine because his rich dads wants him to, who spend 18 hours per week to maintain a shredded body, who goes out every weekend to pickup girls/get drunk as fuck, who only studies to pass exams and not in order to obtain actual knowledge.
B) A men who dedicates almost all available time to his studies and who acutally is passionate in what he is doing?
>>27627207
> Most groundbreaking discoveries in history were made by people who had very basic education/ went to low quality universities
Name those names.
>>27627147
Fucking idiot
>Smallpox was horrific and widespread enough it is one of the first diseases described in detail, in 1500 BC
>A massive smallpox plague wiped out a huge fraction of Egyptians, including the pharoah, in 3000 BC
>The Smallpox Epidemic of Japan in the 8th century killed 35% of the population of the entire island
>Europe suffered smallpox plagues in the 5th, 4th, and 7th centuries
You very literally don't know what the fuck you are talking about
>>27617500
is anyone actually surprised this happend ?
>>27627231
Hitler, Einstein, Jimmy page.
Kekerino of keks.
Man, you are one delusional moronic faggot OP if you think living in medieval Europe was a good thing.
Imagine living like the common african or Poo In Loo nowadays, but without any medical help or modern technology. That's your dream life.
Just face it OP, you are going to be a wage slave most of your life and it's good. A society needs worker ants. Just shut down your annoying ego and dreams you could never live up to and let things be decided by people that know better than you :')
>>27627161
Are you high?
What do you think all those witches were burned for? Heres a hint, if you had knowledge about pharmceutical substances back then you were almost always persecuted, because the church believed the only just way to be praying the diseases away.
Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno#Imprisonment.2C_trial_and_execution.2C_1593.E2.80.931600
>>27627196
First telescope
>funded by the Church
First observatory?
>established by the Church *at the Vatican*
First non-Euclidian geometry? First research into genetics?
>The Church
Creator of the university system?
>The Church
Keep telling those stories, anon, it is a real credibility builder
>>27616527
>>27616537
Grow up. I'm tired of this anti-intellectual mindset that romanticizes and glorifies the old days that you never got to experience. You have no clue what it was like back then.
Maybe it was more peaceful for some people, but what about diseases wiping out entire villages? Other tribes raiding and killing people in yours, while stealing your women? The countless dental and medical problems that come from lack of care, as well as disregard for basic sanitation?
Maybe it was better when we were purely hunter gatherers, maybe not. Either way, we haven't had that for around 10,000 years, so there's no point in even whining about it just because you feel uninspired and hopeless in modern times.
Nowadays if you don't fit in, you can be a NEET or move somewhere else. Back then you were killed or exiled.
>>27627165
There is still war and niggers are ruining everything you mentioned. Healthcare is a Jewish trick.
>>27627262
>The Spanish Inquisition banned witch trials because 'belief in witches is superstition'
>The witch trials were by Protestants
Giordano Bruno!
Fuck, kohai, don't trust Wikipedia
>Bruno was a monk who rejected the Church and fled
>Became a calvinist, - they excommunicated him
>Became a Lutheran - they excommunicated him
>Spent his entire life mocking and attacking people while trying to get rich teaching people his 'key to a perfect memory techniques'
He was a small-time conman who was executed for breaking a vow he took, nothing to do with science in any way.
>>27627357
Let me guess, Martin Luther also got what he deserved, because he dared to question the chruchs policy of preventing people from being able to read the scripture.
>>27627192
My point was that these diseases were not a realistic threat to most people during the Middle Ages. You were propagating a common myth and I corrected you. Diseases weren't really an issue with a few rare exceptions until urbanisation.
>>27627238
We were talking about the Middle Ages in Europe.
Populations did occasionally suffer smallpox outbreaks in Europe at that time but as I said they were rare.
>>27627399
Martin Luther died of natural causes. The Church didn't do shit to him asides from excommunication.
>>27627262
You think witches got burned because they were secretly scientists? They got burned because frightened peasants thought they were putting curses on them. The Church never burned witches by the way and repeatedly told people not to.
Bruno was not executed because of anything to do with scientific findings as it says in your link.
>>27627196
>because people who challenged the churche's ideas definitely werent branded as heretics and thrown in jail.
Only in times of religious conscientiousness. When stable they were accepted. See Copernicus. For the consequences of instability see the Thirty Years War.
>also the suppression of medical research which reduced most doctors/surgeons who were experimenting to grave robbers
Myth. Anatomical sciences were not taboo in Christian Europe. They were taboo in pagan Rome however.
>>27627256
>Hitler
okay
>Einstein
Attended schools far above what his peers ever attended
>Jimmy Page
Go smoke a weed then why are you even pretending to care about the educational background of non-musicians? LOLHITLERGOTREJECTEDFROMFARTSCHOOL amazing
>>27627594
No but the would have burned him on the pyre, if they had gotten their hands on him, so he was forced to hide for the remainder of his life.
>>27619784
>>but do so with the knowledge that all of your children will marry white people from the surrounding area
>why does this even matter
Found the Jew.
>>27627577
Bacterial infections were the most common cause of death in those times. Some centuries later Semmelweis found out by accident, that a bioactive substance found in a fungus could cure like 50% of all said infections.
If the church hadnt sent all the people who were experimenting with herbal cures and stuff to the pyre maybe we had found out about stuff like that earlier.
>>27616527
>you are born in europe 1000 years ago
>you shit in buckets and don't wipe
>you take a MILK BATH once a year for fear of diseases in the river
>regardless of this you get cholera and die
>>27618450
>60% income tax
Swedecuck detected
>>27616527
>Vikings raid your village and rape your daughters
WATTB
>>27627908
Lol that "Sexual Emergency" incident happened in my country.
>>27616527
Assuming you survived to adulthood without succumbing to one of the myriad incurable diseases, or be forced to fight in a war, it would be pretty cool yeah.
>>27616537
Yes it was. Your just being a wginy bitchboy who cant adapt to the new challenges the modern world provides. With your mindset if you'd lived 500 years ago you'd be bitching about how much better life wouldve been 500 more years ago. Rise to the challenge or shut the fuck up.
>>27619137
>vietnamese rice farmers
Part of a bigger conflict, US vs USSR, in communist countries millions of innocents were slaughtered, if we let countries turn commie, they would turn against us and eventually overpower us
>saddam hussein
actively trying to get nukes, he admitted it, madman who killed 100s of thousands. once he gets a nuke he is untouchable
>taliban
sand niggers who sheltered and wouldn't give up Bin laden. Also fucking afghanistan and training terrorists
you all miss the point. modern civilization wasn't created to serve man - it was created to serve woman, and her Jewish masters.
>>27627340
>if you don't fit in
But that would virtually never happen back then, since it's only our modern day capitalist society that alienilates and isolates people from each other (i.e "nuclear family, where as before the modern error you would have lived with all your aunt's/uncle's cousins and grand parents), any time before fuedalism and society accommodated everyone, because eliterally every member of a tribe/clan/village would be needed, where as today we're just cogs in a machine, in fact for society to function the way it does, most people need to be actively oppressed/disenfranchised by the ruling class in order for them to maintain their way of life.
>>27627340
>10000 years
>tribes
>hunter gatherers
wrong time period moron
Can't wait for r9k in the year 2500 to discuss how much better it would have been to have lived in the year 2016.
