I'm sick of this modern American society, I can't even relate to it anymore. Japan really seems more like where I was born to live
>better food
>better video games and shows
>better values
>better women
I will need to learn the language, how hard is it to learn and how expensive is it so I know what to save up
>Another autistic weeb is falling for this meem
Japan is pretty much the same, it's a bit better but there's still the same problems. It's time to admit that the problem is capitalism
>>27579157
>better values
Which values specifically?
>better Women
How many Japanese Women have you personaly interacted with?
Furthermore what job are you going to have if you do move to Japan?
>>27579157
I went to Japan for 10 days once.
I wanted to go back after 8 days.
Japan is great, but only for a few days at a time. It's just psychologically difficult to handle, even if you know the language.
>plans to move to a foreign country
>doesn't know his expenses
>doesn't already know some basic words of foreign language
Enjoy working 18 hours a day
>>27579234
Seems like it's more conservative and traditional, I can't relate to all the bullshit SJW in your face outRAGEous culture anymore
Women just seem less degenerate, you can't get much lower than our women nowadays, they act like children but still want respect and power over everything with no consequences
>>27579281
Well that's why I said take the time to learn, not something that'll happen over night
>>27579251
Care to elaborate? I'm sincerely curious.
>>27579334
People act differently, think differently. Reactions to words or actions which you take for granted are sometimes completely different.
It makes you feel uncomfortable with the way you usually act and it makes you start acting in a way you're not used to and it's also uncomfortable. It starts getting to you about a week in, after the novelty of the country starts to wear off, but the other stuff doesn't.
That's just my experience. Maybe it gets great again after 10 days. In any case, I want to go back. Especially to Kyoto.
>he doesn't think he'll be treated as some filthy foreigner scum that can never truly integrate in their society
its why I love those based nips, but hurts a little inside
don't go, cause it will be shit
I live in Japan.
>better food
Arguable. I like a lot of their food and don't like a lot of it. Note that Japanese food in America is not the same.
>better video games and shows
Maybe if you're a weeb.
>better women
There's really 2 types of women. The traditional Japanese values ones are the ones with crazy teeth and didn't get the secret of not aging shared with them. The super kuwaii weeb ones you're probably actually looking for are honestly pretty Americanized in their values.
>better values
I suppose, but as an American you're going to struggle to not be looked down on, because regardless of your values, you're an American and no matter how much they pretend otherwise, they'll look down on you.
Good luck.
>>27579456
>he doesn't think he'll be treated as some filthy foreigner scum that can never truly integrate in their society
Meh, it depends.
Right now there are enough foreigners in Japan, even outside the metropolis, for most people not to care anymore.
Some of the older people will see you scum and may show their displeasure quite openly. In this case you bow politely to them, which will make them recoil and feel a little ashamed (personally tested and seen)
Other old people will enjoy the opportunity to speak a few words of English to you if you ask them something and will be visibly pleased.
Other people will be just generally pissed and on edge, but it won't be clear whether they're pissed at you being there or just pissed at life in general. Most likely both. These people will be polite but will look very tense on the outside and it will be very clear.
With most people you won't notice being treated too differently.
>>27579157
Aren't most japanese kind to tourists but they fucking despise foreigners who live in their country?
>You will forever be a Gaijin
I'm not a weeb, i've been to Japan, and i'm telling you, you're making a great decision. I had fun, and you will too.
>>27579490
>Arguable. I like a lot of their food and don't like a lot of it. Note that Japanese food in America is not the same.
I remember getting rice and fresh vegetables with every single meal.
A lot of it is good, but I also found a lot of restaurant food kind of dry.
The store bought stuff is amazing though.
>>27579528
Regardless, you'll never really know. They care more about being polite than they do being mad at foreigners.
>>27579528
Only the traditional ones i guess. Just make sure you hangout with people your age.
Does Japan have a lower proportion of low-quality products than North America? If I buy silicone cookware from Japan, then I can safely assume that it wasn't made in China factory and has stinky off-gassing unidentified toxic filler in it, right?
Japanese is hard as shit. There are 2 48-character alphabets you need to know, around 2,000 kanji(chinese characters), and a ton of complex grammar.
That being said, if you still want to learn it, check out the Japanese thread on /int/
>>27579157
Japan is one of the worst developed country. If you want to live in a far-east-culture country, go to Chine, it is better.
Nothing is better, the country is dying, due to its sexualization, people are disgusting -oh and women? most they shoot their first porno at 16, not even a joke-. More over, Japanese people hate foreigners, and neet too.
You weeaboo need to think of this.
>>27579564
It's hit or miss with restaurant stuff. I've found a lot of places that have some extremely good food. But then like you said, others are kind of dry and lacking. I've only found a few things from any of the stores that I really just didn't like that wasn't because of my cooking. That and all their fruits and vegetables are significantly better than in America.
>>27579639
Everything can be made in china, but the quality standard is still japanese. Do you even operation management ?
>>27579644
>china
>developed country
>>27579644
>china is better
Kek
>>27579651
I know that. I goofed my comment because I was sleepy desu.
>>27579642
It's arguably easier than English.
Muh nip books told me that there's 8k sounds in English, and only like 100 in Nip.
I agree, though, learning Kanji is a bitch.German is an easy mode language if you speak English and want to learn a second language
>>27579176
Different anon
A bit better at what exactly?
I wouldn't mind going there just to wake up to nice scenery every day.
>>27579408
This, I stayed in Tokyo/Rural Chiba for a month with my in-laws.
I noticed it felt like I was putting on a show the whole time. After about 12 days I noticed I was more defiant than usual. Like fuck lines, screw trying to speak Japanese, cross onto the other side of the divided sidewalk to pass people etc. The weird thing was the people just let it happen, and the amount casual racism didnt really change (I had a large American flag sown on my jacket while I was there, got called gaijin semi-frequently). By day 20 I was more than ready to go home to tendies.
Don't think I could live there, but short visits are fun.
One further note: Never buy fountain drinks in Tokyo, they never get the mix right. And their Mountian Dew is gross.
>>27579642
>and a ton of complex grammar.
grammar isn't that bad
>>27579564
This desu
Although I found what the locals ate to be severly lacking in potassium to the point I was craving potatoes and bananas, and I don't even like bananas.
Why don't you guys just try to hangout with the hipster mamacitas ? They dress very hipster american, and they're very welcoming to westerners. They might not be a 'real' japanese, but still japanese
Hey guys, is japanese people also racist towards southeast asian people ? Am i also a gaijin to them ? Like, i'm pretty different to them, i'm jungle asian (brown).
>>27579649
Know some good restaurants in Tokyo? I an travelling to Japan in summer
>>27579725
>8k sounds
Is the human body even equipped wtih organs to produce that many different tones?
>>27579866
Yes and no. Lots of Japanese people like to vacation in places like Singapore and Vietnam.I doubt most ~20 year olds will care though.
However, their racial hierarchy is:
Japanese > Korean (still largely hated) > Whites > SEA > Shit
>>27579928
ask the Chinese
>>27579951
No way. I think any kind of asians will be more loved than whites though
>>27579157
Don't forget that you need at least bachelors to qualify for a work visa. Knowing the language is also pretty much a must to land a job.
>>27579977
White cultures are very popular in Japan. I have met genuine Japanese Westabooseven in the US
>>27579892
There is an excellent conveyor sushi place in Diver City in Odiba (giant ass mall with the Gundam out front). Quite affordable too. Called Kaiten Zushi iirc.
The supermarket under the SKYTREE made awesome potato crocettes. Really can't stress how good supermarkets and 7/11 are in Japan.
I had good experiences with the hole in the wall restaurants. There was a really good one a block away from Kayabacho station, can't remember the name of it for the life of me.
If you are around for fedtivals (starting atound the 2nd weekend of July), the street vendors are awesome. Make sure to check out the one done at Yasakuni, the lantern float on the imperial moat is something to behold.
>>27579751
What did you enjoy doing most while you were there?
I was hoping for some legendary varied arcade experiences, but I found that they had the same 10 games in every single arcade place in the country.
Now I just want to go to Kyoto and go to temples all day.
>>27579157
>better food
You can find the same food here if you would stop buying MSG and eating take out. Cook your own damn meals.
>better video games and shows
Internet.
>better values
Highly debatable.
>better women
Again, debatable. My girlfriend is Japanese. There's many things that I wish she would change, but are so deeply set in her character due to her upbringing that it's just not an option. Japanese women are not the most independent bunch out there, and wherever you go expect her family to follow as the sons and daughters are expected to care of parents.
Unless you have some 300k in savings to settle in, are fluent in Japanese, and have at least a bachelors degree, then forget about moving to Japan. They just don't want foreigners that offer any less than that.
>>27580036
Great, thanks for the advice, senpai. Appreciate it
>>27579176
>le capitalism is trouble meme
Kill yourself.
>>27580081
>Unless you have some 300k in savings to settle in, are fluent in Japanese, and have at least a bachelors degree, then forget about moving to Japan. They just don't want foreigners that offer any less than that.
No parents want to sacrifice their daughter to a lazy foreigner that only rely on his dong.
>>27579960
That still doesn't sound right. The IPA, which is meant to represent every sound a language can make, only has "...107 letters, 52 diacritics, and four prosodic marks" according to Wikipedia.
>>27580077
I'm an economist by trade and ahistory nut, so I enjoyed seeing musuems and historic sites most. I found the weeb stuff to be a little underwhelming.
My top picks:
Edo/Tokyo Musuem: Its well set up, everything is in English/Japanese, and free tours. Our tour guide was a delightful elderly Japanese man named Seichi Inoue. He runs an English site with extra info about the musuem.
Tokyo Stock Exchange: Cool building, bery good musuem on the history of commerce in Japan. Its mostly electronic, so the trading floor is dead. I got that month's high score on the trading sim.
Imperial Garden: Absolutely beautiful.
Kamakura Beach: Its 30 minutes out of Tokyo by train (Blue/ Line at Tokyo station). Its the beach from Squid Girl, and all the touristy stuff they do is available.
Used Shops: You'll find no better deals on games and figures. I found some that retail in Canada for $70 on sale for 500 yen. Check the further out ones before you dive into Akihabara.
Sunshine City/Ikebukuro/Otome Road: Beautiful neighbourhood, lots of cool stores. The Pokemon Centre is there. Got my Pokemon deck beaten by a 12 year old who challeneged me while waiting in line to buy a 3ft long wailord plushie. The Sega Arcade was pretty cool, I really liked their Gundam Ex Vs. set up. It is a bit more female oriented so there is some variety. Also, lots of qt cosplayers there, although I'm married...
Festivals: Too fun, go to as many as you can.
Tsukiji Fish Market: They have a massive auction every weekday morning at 4am. It is insane to watch.
>>27580267
Where can I see an authentic kabuki performance?
Quick tips:
If you're American, don't be. Pretend you're Canadian or European. Japs HATE Americans more than other howaito piggus, even if their society prevents them from showing it publicly. This is especially true in the more rural regions and around Okinawa because of the US military presence.
Keep your head down. You're already going to attract a bunch of unwanted attention because you're a filthy gaijin, but you can keep it to just disgusted/frightened stares if you keep to yourself. Japs don't do small talk and pleasantries, especially not with gaijins.
If you walk into an area/building and someone gives you the "no" sign (forearms crossed in front, palms down, in an X shape), turn around and leave immediately without saying anything. If the situation escalates, you WILL lose. If the police get involved, you WILL lose.
Don't attract any more attention that you're already going to get. Don't think anyone wants you around because they don't. Don't think you'll be able to make friends and acquaintances because you won't. Just quietly and politely conduct your business wherever you are and be on your way.
>>27580377
I saw some at the festival at Yasikuni shrine. They also had traditional dance, lantern floats and karate and taiko demonstrations while I was there. They also open up part of their War musuem for free. Check gotokyo.com , its their official tourism site which will have the dates.
>>27579157
Better women who don't like sex. Plus harsh economics. Plus high racism.
You'd better be really fluent in Japanese and ready to morph into a cuck or they won't like you there...
relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FGgYp6mdk
>>27580468
OP is running from chads here, just to go to Japan and getting bullied by the chads there like Davido-Kun.
>>27579644
Chinese people hate foreigners too. Except whites and even at least half of them still hate it when white people want to settle in China.
They always look at you like you don't understand basic stuff only because you don't understand their language.
People see you as a toyboy/pet for Chinese girls that want easy money.
I lived there for three years and even though it's true life is easy there as a student, it's difficult to settle permanently there unless you're from an English speaking country OR you're totally fluent in one Chinese language.
>>27580560
>Remove]
its quite sad really, I wish they had shows here too where they'd find some fat neckbeard and earn his trust so they can heckle the shit out of him on live TV
>>27580413
seems like the life in Japan is rough for whittu piggus
Who tf would wanna live with sneaky gooks?
Thailand is better. Cheap as shit, great food, and legal prostitution.
>>27579157
Ken-sama please reconsider. You will never be japanese.
There are tons of expats, even non-weeb, cultured, productive ones who constantly bitch about them not being considered japanese.
>>27580413
>Hate Americans
Eh, my friends who wore a Canadian flag had worse experiences as I did with my American flag patch. Other than the odd gaijin, I got people telling me ny service jacket was cool.
>Don't think you'll be able to make aquiantances
Context is key on this one, if you have a reason to talk, people will. Like I still email a guy I played Gundam EX with in an arcade because we rekt house together as Zakus.
>>27579528
>Aren't most japanese kind to tourists but they fucking despise foreigners who live in their country?
Yes, if you believe all the Internet stories by people who've never been to Japan. And why shouldn't you?
>>27579644
>most they shoot their first porno at 16
Well it has to be true if someone on the Internet said so, especially when 18 is the minimum age for doing porn.
>>27580413
>Quick tips from someone who's never been in the country and doesn't really know anything about it:
Fixed.
>>27580413
Korea isn't the same as Japan but when I went there I got great service everywhere because I was white, and even my Korean friend said he liked being with me going to places because he got better service by extension. Sure there are racist old people but who cares about 'em?
>>27580877
Korea feels completely different to Japan. One is an island nation, it's the difference between going to Britain and France.
>>27579157
>tfw I can't go to Japan because i'm black
>>27579157
>japan
>better anything
kek
>>27580908
I heard Japan is much more accepting of foriegners from people that worked there before so I dunno man. Countries over there are basically the same or very similar despite how much they hate each other so it's whatever.
>>27580944
You actually took that image seriously?
>>27580468
man those people are just plain douchebags, I know that Davido-kun guy is cringe worthy and a fucking weeb but I don't see the point in making fun of him like that, just let him be and move on with your life. he said he's happy in japan so why make fun of him?
>>27579157
>Can't type in Japanese on /r9k/ because non-ASCII isn't aloud.
>>27579157
Japan doesn't want a fat uneducated weeaboo like you in their country.
>>27580944
>mfw all the cunt needed was a full belly to be happy
>>27581177
well for one it's fucking hilarious, and for another it just might be what pathetic little davido kun needs to turn his life around
a LOT of guys this board would call chads were formerly unattractive and socially awkward, a healthy dose of bullying gave them the motivation they needed to get in shape, take care of their appearance and learn the social norms for favourable human interaction
>>27579251
>It's just psychologically difficult to handle, even if you know the language.
I know this feel all too well.
I live in Worst Korea and Christ sometimes I think I'm literally going insane.
Everything that can be stressful about life anywhere (subtle power games, the need to dress and present yourself appropriately in terms of health, grooming and dress; social cues, correct use of language and so on) are ALL more intense here than in most Western nations.
I'm a little on the ass burger side, so this shit wasn't easy for me even at home, but here it's almost intolerable.
And the most ironic part is that the better I get at the language, the worse it gets. I'm near-fluent and it's getting almost impossible to take anymore.
The closer you get to superficially fitting in, the further away you actually feel like you are from actually conducting yourself appropriately.
You see, when you are new to countries like this (and Japan, and China), you simply conduct yourself according to the rules of your own country. This is "wrong" of course by local standards, but as a foreigner you are not judged harshly for it.
However, as soon as you begin to superficially attempt to conform to THEIR standards, everyone's expectations of you become harsher and less forgiving. Gradually but insidiously you go from being a bumbling but harmless alien to a defective article. This isn't unique to foreigners of course; many locals feel this constant, unceasing vicious social pressure that once felt never abates unless you give up and leave.
It's a pretty creepy and bad feel. Anyone who has lived for too long in this part of the world knows it very well.
>>27581372
Continued: It's perhaps a sort of degrading comparison, but the best way I can explain it is that it's sort of like the difference between an African tribesman and a black American.
One is entirely the product of his natural habitat. He doesn't know what "being civilized" is, and doesn't know or care that he's failing at it. If you brought the average African tribesman into Europe he'd feel out of place certainly but wouldn't feel the pressure to conform to civilized society until he had some context to put it all into; and the language and education to even try.
This is sort of how it feels to be white in Asia. Sure our society is arguably better than Asian societies in many ways; but theirs are undeniably more stressful and demanding than ours in terms of the sheer complexity of thought and action and dexterity demanded of people. So it is infinitely more difficult for a Westerner raised in the West to adapt to an Asian society than vice-versa.
An Asian who moves to the West is moving from a society with complex, demanding social rules to ones with simpler, less demanding ones. For a Westerner in Asia, it is the reverse. And a Westerner totally ignorant of an Asian language or culture is blissfully so, unlike someone who is half-assimilated.
>>27581475
Do you think there's anything in their (East Asian) general mentality or world-view that explains this greater emphasis on following social coventions?
>>27581475
>>27581372
What possesses you to stay in that country long enough to be near fluent in the language? And why would you want to lose your foriegner card where you're allowed to fuck up and nobody cares? I guess it is good to save money but other than that it's fine.
I don't get you.
>>27581659
>other than that there's no reason to stay there for so long. It isn't home
fixed
>>you literally want to move into one of the most xenophobic cultures on earth
Americans=Japan's Muslims
>>27581706
This is literally a meme.
People really will eat up absolutely anything they hear on the Internet about anything related to Japan as long as it's negative.
As someone who used to live in Japan, it's really the best place on earth. The trash system sucks, and the workplace is unbearable no matter where you work, but when you're free to unwind, the world is your oyster.
Lol go leave dont come back after you realize they don't want your kind. All those things you stated can be find in America you just aren't looking very hard but go and don't come back
>>27581659
>What possesses you to stay in that country long enough to be near fluent in the language?
In the beginning, being naive. At this point, stubbornness/lack of career options.
You don't intend to give up your foreigner card, it's confiscated from you so to speak. Or rather, the number of places that accept your card gets smaller and smaller.
>>27581582
Seems like they've been like this since forever. Travellers from Europe to Asia even as far back as the 18th century noted their rigid obsessiveness with strict adherence to social rules and decorum, which were often complex and difficult to follow.
>>27581706
It's by and large a myth that xenophobia is what makes life in Asian societies difficult. Asian societies are less xenophobic per se than simply stifling in general (it's only harder for foreigners because they haven't been training to get used to it since childhood - and even for locals it's still hard hence the stratospheric suicide rates). A foreigner doesn't feel ill at ease simply because he is a foreigner but rather simply because he is unable to conform to social expectations and is increasingly and alarmingly aware of both this fact and the fact that other people are noticing it.
>>27581797
When I went to Korea I was naive too, but then I flipped it to get into teacher's college. You could do something like that or just go to some different country if you want to.
>You don't intend to give up your foreigner card, it's confiscated from you so to speak. Or rather, the number of places that accept your card gets smaller and smaller.
How does that happen exactly?
>>27579327
>The womyn in my animes are much nicer than the girls at school
>>27581372
>>27581475
Ty for this.
>>27581952
I've never seen anyone believe that anime characters are representative of real Japanese women, so I don't know why you people keep making this argument.
>>27581920
Consider my African tribesman comparison.
When you are ignorant of a country's language, your ability to even understand what the local standards of behaviour are is limited.
Once you DO understand the language and how the local people behave, it's virtually impossible to avoid trying to adjust your behaviour to match theirs.
And once you do, you will begin to be judged more by their standards and given less leeway for being a foreigner. Even though you will still be given SOME leeway, the amount you get decreases.
>>27581920
Of course I could leave any time in theory, but I have reasons for staying for the moment. I will give it just a few years.
What the possibility of an American obtaining a work visa in Jappin?
>>27582018
Pretty easy if you have any degree. You can get a basic English teaching job - but this is not a particularly good idea desu.
>>27582001
Interesting, but yes you can do other things if you want to.
Next time you eat ttopoki think of me.
top kek m8
if you think you're ostracized here, japan will be a never ending pit of despair for you
not even because you're a foreigner, that's just the beginning
>>27582038
You can get worked to the ground if you aren't careful with where you work.
>>27582062
And what about all the foreigners who don't have any issues living there? They don't exist?
>>27582131
Those ones are more extraverted.
>>27582062
>not even because you're a foreigner, that's just the beginning
I couldn't agree more with this part. This is a case of mirror-imaging on the part of Western expats in Asia, who assume that because foreigners in the West find "racism" and "discrimination" the hardest part of living in the West that the reverse is also the case, and that foreigners in Asia suffer because of race-based discrimination.
This is absolutely not true. In my years of living here, I can count on one hand the number of times I have been explicity discriminated against on the basis of my race. And those truly assimilated aliens here if anything receive preferential treatment (and when you really think about it, so do all foreigners).
Foreigners who live here perceiving the harshness of the society from the outside and experience even the slightest hint of it assume (incorrectly) that the locals must receive different and more favourable treatment, when nine times out of ten, the reverse is in fact the case.
As much as I love Japan, given the chance I'd choose to live in America. I've never been to either of those countries but at least in America foreigners can actually blend in. Also I already speak English and the society is way more similar to the one I was raised in.
>>27579300
>foreigner in japan
>working
LOL
>>27582411
There are no working foreigners in Japan now? Where the hell do you people get these strange ideas from?
>>27582431
ESL is hardly a job
I tried aswell, but got rejected today
>>27582489
It's pretty difficult.
>>27582489
It is a job and it is not the only job that foreigners in Japan have.
>>27582506
>human tape recorder
>hard
>>27582535
You clearly have never worked it before. Only some lucky JETs get to be human tape recorders, everyone else has to grind it out.
>>27582587
how did you get there m8
i'm this guy >>27582501 and feeling pretty gutted. Was hoping for a fresh start.
>>27579157
stay home wht piggu!
>>27582611
If you're that desperate to flee Hotel Mama why not go teach in China or Thailand or something
>>27582611
It all depends where you got rejected from. If it's the JET programme they're very picky and I've heard they pick people sometimes at random so I wouldn't feel sad about that if I were you.
I recommend applying everywhere, get interviews and even if you don't want to go there do the interview to get experience so you'll be better. It all depends if you have any experience (volunteering, babysitting etc) and if you can apply it to the job. I'd need more deets about you before I help you more m8
>>27579644
t.Chang Wang
>>27582676
i'll look into it, thanks
blox
>>27582676
I've heard China is hard to find a decent workplace. The key to teaching overseas is to screen out the shitty workplaces that will get you to work illegally without telling you, overwork you, give you bad accomadations and won't give you what you deserve.
>>27582715
Got rejected from JET. Maybe I'll apply again next year who knows... It was so difficult overcoming anxiety asking for references and I'm feeling pretty bad about having to ask them again. I got a degree but no real experience desu that's why I went for JET.
I have a friend that has lived in japan for 9 years.
Don't go.
>only way to have a visa is either having a job or marrying with a japanese, as you're a robot 2nd option is excluded
>you have to specify in your visa what work you're there for, afterwards you cannot change it, this means, if you were thinking to go there to work as anything you're fucked up. Think for a while about what would this mean.
>most companies will contract a japanese over you so they don't have to process your visa. Oh and if you don't have a university degree(any can do), well, good luck.
>if you get a job by any chance, enjoy your wagecuck schedule, it's 12 hours a day on average.
>nipons will never see you as one of them
I'm probably leaving more shit up. In summary, japan is a great country to visit, a awful one to stay.
>>27582832
I'm the same guy, I forgot to say, if you still want to go after this, only 2 real options I see would be:
-marrying a rich japanese
-get hired by a japanese company somehow and then go to japan.
>>27582767
Don't cry brobot, JET is notoriously difficult to get into and they have a strange hiring process. A lot of people get rejected one year, then accepted the next. To help with the anxiety I recommend exposure therapy (doing small things each day outside of your comfort zone) to help with that...trust me if you're anxious and you go to Japan you'll probably not make it.
> I got a degree but no real experience desu that's why I went for JET.
You can apply to anywhere and you'd be fine. Check out daves ESL cafe for some stuff and put your resume out there and get interviews. Even if you get nothing this you will gain the experience of interviews and the anxiety can slowly go away in time and you can try again next year. Spring is their big hiring season man.
I recommend not going for just any eikawa and doing massive research to get a nice work environment.
Cheer up man. It's not the end of the world...you'll be fine.
>>27582832
>nipons will never see you as one of them
Welcome to the world outside America, and just because someone doesn't think you're Japanese doesn't mean they don't like you and you can't be friends.
>>27582767
I forgot to add that you won't be able to teach in universities or international schools (most likely), but you can go to an eikawa and supplement more income by private tutoring.
>>27582832
>nipons will never see you as one of them
Because you aren't one of them. Who would want this?
>>27582914
good luck making friends, most of them will just want you as a person to practice english with
>>27582955
Yes, of course. Japs are inhuman and Not Like Us. Because the Internet said so.
>>27582967
have you ever lived in japan? no? shut up
>>27582984
You haven't lived there either, and even if you have it doesn't mean shit.
>>27582984
It's not our fault you had a bad experience.
>>27582967
and by the way, no, they're not like us, their culture is much more different than ours. Just to give an example most nipons would find disgusting hearing 'I love you' from any other human being. (funny fact: the anime they made is exactly the opposite, thats how fucked up their society is)
>mfw JET requires a bachelors degree
All I have is a diploma from a technical college. Guess I'm too dumb for JET.
>>27583045
>their culture is much more different than ours
Well no shit Sherlock.
>>27579176
>It's time to admit that the problem is capitalism
Not its time to admit that the strong always succeed and the weak die out of the genepool
>>27583064
I was answering >>27582967
>Japs are inhuman and Not Like Us
>>27582955
This trope about Japan is again a case of mirror-imaging.
It's not so much that "Japanese people are racist" and "they only see all foreigners as walking dictionaries", but rather a case of relationships in Asia generally being more overtly transactional, regardless who the parties involved are.
If you have something other people want (an attractive face/body, singing voice, cooking skills, money, fashion sense, etc.) people will want to meet you for those reasons. It's a case of 1) many foreigners in Japan not having anything anyone would want from them besides using them as an opportunity for English practice and 2) relationships in Japan being generally more calculated, meaning that people generally don't just hang out with other people even other Japanese just "because they clicked" or whatever.
Hell, even in the West, most relationships are pretty transactional, even if people don't want to admit it. The Japanese and other Asians just tend to be more honest about it, which leads to foreigners making rather cruel generalizations about them because of it.
>>27579157
>better women
not true
>I will need to learn the language, how hard is it to learn
I am learning it right now. Extremely.
>>27583087
Did you really think that I meant that the Japanese are exactly identical to Westerners? You are stupid and need to stop posting for your own good.
>>27583106
well what did you mean then?
>>27579157
>I'm sick of this "modern" American society
>so i'm leaving for an even more ' modern yet frustrated and sick " society
okay.
>>27583135
Just stop posting.
>>27582967
As a somewhat reflective foreign dancing English monkey in Asia, let me explain what is actually going on.
Anonymous A. Faggot goes to Japan. He isn't attractive sexually or otherwise or intelligent and doesn't have a good personality. He can't do anything to make anyone else's life better besides let himself be used as an English practicing device.
He gets used as an English practicing device, fulfilling his most useful function.
He complains about it.
The end desu.
>>27581582
Buddhism and Confucianism
>Be nice to other people and ignore stress at all cost
>>27583253
>ignore stress
you got it wrong budy. you dispell stress by letting go of what causing the stress: your ignorance
>>27583088
>The Japanese and other Asians just tend to be more honest about it
They're are probably the most dishonest of all countries dude, they always have that fake smile on their faces when talking to people, if you wanna hangout with someone, they will tell you they will be avaible in 2 weeks or so, so they have time to make up an excuse, they literally never say 'no'.
>even in the West, most relationships are pretty transactional, even if people don't want to admit it
I don't 100% agree to this although it's arguable
>>27582910
>>27582921
Alright thanks mate. I think I can handle my anxiety pretty well, but it was particularly difficult as I didn't really know my referees so it was quite awkward asking for a reference (they were pleased to do it though).
>A lot of people get rejected one year, then accepted the next.
Maybe I should reapply next year then? I've also been told to look at Interac aswell.
I've only just got my 1st job so having some cash next year would be nice.
All I want is a comfy rural area somewhere like this guy on JET posted.
>>27583429
more comfy that he posted
OP I live in Japan most of the year and I'll be very surprised if you don't end up despising the place.
You understand that they have some of the highest expectations for working hours and the lowest support for mental illness right? Most Japanese civilians, if they're working full time they don't get much time for "fun and play" at all. How are you planning to squeeze in time for all those "superior video games" when you're getting up at 5:00 to travel 2 hours by train to work from 7:00 till 7:00?
Also where are you going to live? Honshu? Kyushu? Japan isn't a singular land mass you know, they have 6,852 islands. Which prefecture have you decided to live in? Do you know that they're having centralisation issues at the moment and that their outer towns and cities are slowly being emptied? And Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka, they're all expensive as balls to live. What career are you hoping to enter into as well? If it's academic most decent places, at least the ones that aren't intending to scam you, require a degree in anything minimum. You got your key money prepared too?
>how hard is it to learn the language
One of the hardest. If you're not a native you never stop learning, ever.
>>27583451
just how the hell were those blocks put there? all in random angles. It's so weird
>>27583344
I didn't say they were always honest. I said that they were more honest about the nature of their social interactions in that respect.
Yes, they do like about shit like what you said
>if you wanna hangout with someone, they will tell you they will be avaible in 2 weeks or so, so they have time to make up an excuse, they literally never say 'no'.
This is a lie I suppose; but it's barely a lie. It's the equivalent of you asking a girl out on a date and her saying, "Oh I'm so busy tomorrow, another time maybe!"
Yes, it's not entirely honest, but ultimately the point is just to save you embarassment.
>>27579157
>American society, I can't even relate to it anymore. Japan really seems more like where I was born to live
Ahahaha, dude. They will NEVER accept you as one of your own. You can be 100% fluent in Japanese and observe Japanese customs 100%. You will still always be a foreigner. Even IF you somehow get citizenship. You'll still be foreign. You won't be "one of them". You're better off taking all that effort and putting it into trying to be a better American.
>>27583498
>I said that they were more honest about the nature of their social interactions in that respect.
my bad then
I lived in Japan, specifically Osaka, for 4 years. AMA if you want.
>>27579157
Do you have a degree? The only guaranteed way of getting into Japan for a gaijin is teaching English, for which you need a degree with a good grade. A TEFL certificate helps, but again you need a degree or it's worthless.
>better food
Do you like fish and rice? There's other stuff but these are staples of the Japanese diet. Natto is fucking disgusting.
>better values
It's good to get away from the tumblristas and fags in the West, but you better be willing to work hard - laziness is pretty much the most despised trait in glorious Nippon.
>better women
Agreed, although I've always had yellow fever. Sadly, most Japanese women have tiny tits - not my thing.
>>27583323
True enough, my point was that most people who aren't monks have a really hard time letting go of earthly attachments and they get really stressed out by trying to fake it all the time.
Gaman is tough bro.
>>27583535
is it true that their vaginas are so small that a normal guy can get injuries in that zone just by having sex?
>>27583535
who did you go with specifically?
>>27583502
While this is correct, I think it would be unreasonable for anyone to expect to be 100% accepted "as a Japanese."
For all that, Westerners and other foreigners who do achieve impressive things in Japan are admired and looked up to for having done so. The fact that they aren't considered Japanese is neither here nor there.
In addition, does anyone think that all or even the average Americans or Europeans really see Africans or Asians who are citizens of their nations as 100% just like them? I don't think they do - and I don't think they should be obliged to, either.
Like I said, it's not the supposed xenophobia per se that makes trying to gain a foothold in an Asian society trying - it's rather the sheer difficulty of the attempt.
Asians in America whine about how white people don't consider them REAL Americans just as Debito complains about not being considered a REAL naijin in Japan. The difference is simply that even though they complain about still being seen as aliens, Asians in America are more able to actually learn to behave like white people do than white people can learn to behave like Asians. This is because Asian societies have more complex rules and habits than we do.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with xenophobic attitudes per se and everything to do with the higher levels of discipline and conformity demanded.
>>27579157
>Better shows
That's NYC and LA bruh.
>Better women
Yeah if you want a bunch of gooks layered with plastic surgery to give you mongrel offspring and you enjoy playing with flat chests and asses but you probably like that you weeaboo
>Better Values
They drive their workers to suicide and are all extremely racist and are confrontational about it if you're the only white piggu on the train faggot
>Better food
No it's a forced diet because real food actually cost money in Japan and you'll be a pescatarian or a junk food eating fat faggot.
>Better video games
Yeah actually Japan is pretty 10/10 about that go make it a visit not the final destination you tard.
>>27583632
>bunch of gooks layered with plastic surgery
I will never stop being amazed by how many people are legitimately unaware that Korea and Japan are separate countries.
>>27583699
They're not very different really. Although the Japanese tend to be more polite to strangers.
>>27583571
>is it true that their vaginas are so small that a normal guy can get injuries in that zone just by having sex?
Japanese women are short on average. I guess it's comparable to white women? I've never had sex with a white woman, but have been with several Japanese women.
>>27583577
The company I worked for? The recruitment company was called Shane, but they sucked balls and I moved on to being privately hired by a language school.
>"how difficult if the language" he asks
Difficult. Those that say it isn't probably haven't progressed further than entry conjugation and relative cause.
I'm 2 years into my formal degree, 10 hours a week not including the fucktonne of homework and vocab/grammar/kanji tests we have 3 times a week.
I'm doing an exchange in Japan come September and I still can't speak for shit unless it's sentences I've said a million times over already.
OP won't make it.
>>27583720
>They're not very different really.
They are.
>>27583699
Japan does it too.
>>27583772
No, they're not.
The differences between the two countries are fetishized by both Koreans and Japanese for nationalistic reasons, but the more you learn about both countries, the more similar they seem. Not surprising, given the intimate historical links between them.
>>27583798
No. You are confusing the two. Plastic surgery is a Korean meme.
Worst possible decision.
Killing yourself is honestly a better idea.
>>27583822
>No, they're not.
Yes they are. Stop getting your cultural knowledge from 4chan where most people are only dimly aware that they are different countries.
>>27583852
>I don't want muh grorious Nippon associated with Korean trash!
>>27579644
Fuck off chink
>>27583911
Cite the post where I said or implied anything of the sort.
>>27583936
Cite the post where I said or implied that I get my cultural knowledge from 4chan
>>27583949
You're spouting exactly the kind of shit that someone who gets their cultural knowledge from 4chan would spout. Most people here are, again, only dimly aware that Korea and Japan are two different countries.
>>27583976
Understanding that the Korean and Japanese cultures are similar despite their differences =! not understanding that they are different countries
>>27583976
>Most people here are, again, only dimly aware that Korea and Japan are two different
This isn't true at all. Maybe if they're Americunts, but I can't see any other demographic being dumb enough to think that.
>>27584045
They are clearly different cultures, you just have no idea what you're talking about.
>>27584066
Most people here are also Americans.
>>27583083
Yes, but capitalism amplifies that effect
>>27582955
t. Ryan Boundless
>>27584124
"They are similar" =! "They are the same culture"
>>27584161
Of course they are fucking "similar." America and Japan are also "similar." That's not what we're talking about and you know it.
>>27584201
They are more similar than America and Japan.
>>27584225
"They are not very different really." This is what you said. And it's wrong. Stop getting all your info from 4chan.
>>27584201
>Of course they are fucking "similar." America and Japan are also "similar." That's not what we're talking about and you know it.
TEFL teacher in Osaka guy here. I can't think of two first world countries that are more different than the USA and Japan.
>>27584241
"They are not very different really" =! "They are not different at all"
>>27584245
Cuba and South Africa.
>>27584245
Maybe you can think of the quotation marks around "similar" instead.
>>27584275
You just keep dancing around the issue.
>>27584286
>Cuba and South Africa.
Cuba is a 2nd world country. South Africa is a shithole, and rapidly declining further, since the end of apartheid.
>>27584296
No, I think you are.
Can't we agree that yes Korea and Japan have some differences, but that they are also quite similar, just as there are Western nations that are simultaneously similar but with some cultural differences? Take Ireland and the UK, for example. Yes, differences exist, but in the grand scheme of things they are culturally not that different. compared to, say, Ireland and Indonesia or the UK and the UAE.
What is your point?
>>27583429
>>27583451
I'm happy you can and I wish you luck on achieving your dreams. You should definitely reapply next year and see what happens, and saving money up so you have an emergency fund is very important if you live abroad. Just keep your chin up because your dreams can come true so long as you work for it and don't give up, as cheesy as that sounds.
Man, those pics sure do look comfy. I'll have some nice dreams about it tonight.
Good luck anon.
>>27579157
>Zenophobic population
>Highly body conscious (a medium in the US is basically a XL in Japan)
>Shit flag, just a white dot
>Anime isn't that popular there desu, it's mostly gameshows and dramas
>You have to work hours of overtime to get by, in fact Japanese work days can be up to 14 hours long
>The cities are crowded and polluted
>They rank as the most hostile nation for Russians, Chinese, Slavs, and Southeren Europeans, if you descend from or look like one of these you're fucked
Really, you're falling for a fantasy. If you wanna leave the US for a country with good values, try Singapore or Ireland. Besides, Japanese comics and shows are the easiest to get of any country I like the entertainment of,, and Japan does have some good qualities, but you should really research all this shit.
>>27579157
>Joined the Army as an engineer
>Live in Japan for free
>Didn't have to learn Japanese
>Get to live around other Americans
>tfw half japanese
>tfw can't speak japanese fluently
>>27584378
Why would you want to go to Japan then not learn Japanese and just hang around Ameritards all day? What is the point?
>>27584349
They are clearly different countries regardless of what some idiots on 4chan said.
>>27584375
>Zenophobic population
Meme.
>>27584375
>Singapore
Soullessness wears on a man. They make Japan look good.
>>27584410
He is an Army engineer, people in the military can get scholarships and benefits. Also, he gets to go to Japan without paying a shit ton of money.
>>27584429
>Meme
I guess you can't handle the reality dick in your mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7vEwVNDHZQ
>>27584375
>Highly body conscious (a medium in the US is basically a XL in Japan)
The BMI values are different there, yes. >22 BMI is considered overweight, but not because of a body image issue or something. Instead, it's that east asians are twice at risk of developing obesity related issues such as diabetes even when they're at a healthy BMI, so they had to adapt it over there.
>>27579157
>this is what autistic weeaboos actually believe
>>27584448
>people in the military can get scholarships and benefits
I know the military are welfare queens, what does that have to do with anything I said?
>>27584448
>he gets to go to Japan without paying a shit ton of money
Yeah, and do nothing but hang around retarded Yanks, apparently.
>>27584454
>I guess you can't handle the reality dick in your mouth.
Memes are not reality.
>>27584391
>tfw half south korean
>tfw can speak korean
>tfw can't wait for whiteys to go extinct
>>27584454
Not the dude you quoted, but that guy seems like a faggot.
I know japs asking you the same "WERR IS U FROM OH SUGOI" must get tiring, but have some forbearance for the sake of politeness.
>>27584491
>not being from Best Korea
>>27584454
Just looking at that guy, you can tell he's a loser.
It's not just that he's ugly and dresses like shit.
It's the fact that he's lived in Japan for decades and never accomplished anything.
Sure his Japanese seems pretty fluent. Why didn't he do a degree in translation or something? Why didn't he move on from English teaching?
His problem isn't being a foreigner in Japan, it's being a loser. If he was a cool successful dude and a gaijin too, women would be lining up to suck his dick. But because he's a loser he feels like shit, has an ugly gf and the only people that want to talk to him are using him for English practice.
>>27584352
how very kind of you anon. I appreciate it.
>>27584515
>Why didn't he move on from English teaching?
Why would you? It's comfy as fuck, pays fairly well when you're experienced, and you only work about 25 hours a week.
>>27584491
>tfw can speak korean
>tfw can't wait for whiteys to go extinct
Yeolpok jjeonee i saekkiya
>>27584491
>tfw it has become my sole mission in life now to gain political power in the us government and sever american ties with worst korea just to see you die from norks
>>27584480
>Yanks are the retards
All people are retards. I grew up in an area surrounded by East European immigrants being born in 1991, you wanna see retards talk to a Romanian for a few hours.
>>27584548
>Why would you?
So as not to become the bitter unsuccessful piece of shit that that guy is now
>>27579157
>he thinks he wont be miserable no matter where he is
The only thing that might change, depending on where you live in America, is that you might not have to deal with retarded SJWs anymore.
I've been studying Japanese for five years now (four high school classes, one year university-level) and it's going to be about three more years before I'm fluent. At that point I'll reach the level where classes move away from learning new things and into just being more comfortable commanding the language at a high level. Only then will I feel comfortable moving to Japan.
Moving there without being fluent sounds like hell. Being socially awkward is one thing, but being socially awkward PLUS not having full command over the language = hopeless-tier.
>>27579176
Is it weird that my ideal political stance is to be a National Socialist WITHIN Japan, meaning working towards Japanese supremacy and economic equality and prosperity within Japan? Other countries simply don't matter at all which is a major failing of Marxism (which calls for global revolution and says people are more united by class than nationality).
>>27579234
>How many Japanese Women have you personaly interacted with?
Plenty through nicovideo and Skype. They really are amazing and cute. At worst, their kindness and cuteness feels forced and fake.
>>27584410
Because if you've ever visited Japan before you'd know everyone here, especially the females, are fucking retarded
I'm at Camp Zama. Everyone here lacks common sense and no one knows how to drive so there's always an accident
The girls at the high school are hot as fuck though. Japanese high school girls shit all over 'murican ones
>>27579157
I would plan a visit to Japan.
Not move there, there are more opportunities in America than anywhere on the planet. Moving to a better city in America would be the best option if you feel the need to totally escape.
I have to laugh at this anon who is claiming that East Asian cultures have more complex social rules and nuisances than the West. It's just different. Face culture and such is not that complex, it's just annoying. Westerners have escaped any societal hindrances like this and live much more fulfilling lives in pursuit of their talents and interests rather than solely trying to compete with their peers and keeping up with the Joneses. I have made friends with many Chinese and Koreans in their respective countries, of varying education levels, and they are all incredibly superficial, uncreative people compared to those I meet in the West.They just feign complexity to outsiders because they are too stupid to pursue anything outside of their overly redundant social games.
Asians do not assimilate here, unless they are born and raised. This opportunity rarely ever happens for Westerners in Asia, hence they never integrate like Asians who are born in the West do.
>>27584429
>They are clearly different countries regardless of what some idiots on 4chan said.
Who said they weren't two different countries?
>>27585623
B-b-but muh mathematics and music...
In this ITT:
katanas are cool, I'm sixteen, high school sucks and I love anime x3
>Falling this hard for the japan memes
>>27581177
It's because most foreigners in Japan (well, waito piggus anyway) are a lot like him. How would you feel if foreigners reduced their opinions/perceptions of your country to the afternoon block of Cartoon Network?
Once they were found out there'd probably be a Fine Brothers reaction film of someone looking around his apartment. Pretty similar really.
Them being so shitty to him is how they strike back. In Japan you can't (or shouldn't) just scream at someone and tell them to get fucked; you have to be more subtle about it than that.
Yet the impetus is the same.
>>27581372
>>27581475
This is how I felt in China, too. I taught there for a few months in 2012 and I was the only one in the group from my school who spoke Chinese and gave a shit about the local culture and customs.
Any mistake the others made was laughed off. If I fucked up I'd get glared at. It's because if you know the language and culture, they expect you to have intimate knowledge of the mores of their society on par with that of someone who's lived there all their life, when in reality I was just as wet behind the ears as anyone else from my group. Well, maybe not quite so bad, but damn. They don't cut you a break.
After about a month and a half I just pretended to be another white dummy who didn't speak a word of Chinese.
>>27587541
Also I meant to add:
>didn't learn my lesson just yet
>going to Japan this summer to teach for 8 weeks
M-maybe it'll be better this time. At least my Japanese isn't as good as my Chinese.
>>27579157
Depends how smart you are.
If you are good at languages naturally then you'll be able to pick it up easily. If you're a dumbfuck and considering you're posting on /r9k/ you probably aren't committed to things then you won't be able to learn it.
You have to put work towards learning it for 30 minutes everyday. Just doing it during a commute is fine and good.
Use Memrise or a similar app to learn Katakana and Hiragana; then go to /a/ and using the DJT (Daily Japanese Thread) find the Anki deck for the 6k common kanji and everyday learn new Kanji.
Watch anime for listening skills and try to put some effort towards grammar rules if you are a dumbdumb and aren't smart enough to grasp the concepts from watching shows.
>>27587682
>to teach for 8 weeks
how do you do that? I thought all the the ESL teachers were full-time permanent positions.
I wouldn't mind going for such a short time.
>They don't cut you a break.
Couldn't you just qualify all your statements with something like "please forgive me if I am wrong, I don't understand very much" to ease their judgement.
>>27588951
>Couldn't you just qualify all your statements with something like "please forgive me if I am wrong, I don't understand very much" to ease their judgement.
It's funny. They'll praise your Chinese ability up and down if you can manage anything even as simple as "hello", and will refuse any attempt on your part to say that it's really not as good as they think it is.
Then when your knowledge turns out to ACTUALLY not be as good as you say it is, they get irate about it. It's just the way of things.
Also, the program is through my school; we have a sister university in Japan where I'll be going for a summer class in ESL instruction.
>>27589302
>not be as good as you say it is
That's worded pretty badly. Rather, try "When your knowledge actually turns out to be as bad as you were telling them it was".
For all this, though, China wasn't a bad experience overall and I miss it from time to time.
>>27579157
go here
>>27589221
