Tell me why casual sex and social liberalism is bad. As a libertarian, I find any kind of social conservatism or "traditionalism" to be abhorrent and a violation of individual rights and freedom.
>>27500217
/r9k/ btfo
anyone who isn't socially liberal and fiscally conservative is a dumb statist
/r9k/ has been stumped
I'm very socially liberal myself and don't really see anything inherently wrong with casual sex, so I've never had a problem with sluts either.
That said, I can kind of see the argument that even though casual sex isn't inherently bad, the kind of people who partake in it tend to be pretty trashy.
Maybe it's like drugs in that regard, except smoking crack is more or less inherently harmful and directly contributes to somebody becoming more trashy. I don't know.
>>27500217
This board doesn't like individual rights and the sexual free market, bunch of hypocrites
>>27500217
Because all the autists on /r9k/ want their special snowflake "I had sex with a virgin :))))" badge.
Okay, but what happens when the two ideologies conflict (i.e. net neutrality)?
>>27500217
i'm with you op
i support the ideals of anarcho-syndicalism but in reality i tend to get along with right wing libertarians best because they respect the individual in ways a lot of left-anarchists/socialist libertarians don't. talk about heirarchy
amyways i think 4chan's (especially /pol/ and /r9k/'s) traditionalism/ conservatism is a childish flailing against the popular culture that cast them out and ebverything they've missed out/are missing out on by being spergs. (also a total sham, they uphold these traditionalist prudish ideals and then wank to cartoon little girls and spend all day inside slinging vulgarities online. it's denial. ) i love doing drugs and if i was in any position to i'd be fucking every slut i met regardless of how 'pure' or 'impure' they are
>>27500217
>what is voluntarism
>>27500217
Because successful civilizations don't flourish when everyone does whatever they want. Go live in the fucking woods or something.
>>27500217
literally the only reason why /r9k/ hates casual sex is that no one wants to fuck them
>>27500683
social liberalism by definition has nothing to say about net neutrality, so I'm not sure what your point is.
>>27500771
Actually there's plenty of other reasons why we oppose it.
>this triggers the "conservative" neckbeards
>>27500777
>fiscally conservative
>socially liberal
>>27500788
>STDs
wear protection
>muh degeneracy
morals aren't real
>>27500817
Casual sex actually has very tangible negative effects on society
>>27500815
oh, you're just american and have no idea what any of these words mean, got it.
>>27500833
>Casual sex actually has very tangible negative effects on society
such as?
>>27500771
>STDs
>Women can take half your shit if you divorce
>Women will always try to move up and will only "settle" until something better comes along
Golly gee! Who wouldn't want this!
>>27500848
there's a difference between fucking someone whom you have no intention to form any kind of emotional relationship with and actually marrying someone
>>27500841
Single motherhood.
>>27500899
>what is birth control
>>27500899
if your christian right bros would quit crusading against condoms and sex ed and abortions this would pretty much be a non issue
>>27500841
Are you literally fucking retarded?
The liberal thing to do is defend net neutrality. The conservative thing is to oppose it.
>>27500815
>fiscally conservative, socially liberal
I LOVE WEED BUT HATE THE POOR
>it's a "people on the internet """"""""""discuss""""""""" political philosophy" episode
>>27500256
>dumb statist
And you, what, live in a shack in the woods that you built using only trees you planted yourself on land that lacks competing claims?
>>27500902
I don't give a shit about your theoretical bullshit in the real world sluts get drunk and knocked up
>>27500915
Yeah cause the thing thats stopping stacey the cum guzzling slut from using condoms is her fear of god, not the fact that she's wasted and yolo. Hmm if only someone taught her that condoms exist... but only fancy rich people know bout those! Kek.
>>27501025
>I don't give a shit about your theoretical bullshit in the real world sluts get drunk and knocked up
abortion
>>27501041
Or not being a useless whore. Remember, kids, prevention is always the most effective method!
>>27501066
>Remember, kids, prevention is always the most effective method!
agreed, sexual education would be extremely effective, too
>>27500883
Yeah? You can't be safe from it. Women, and fags to a greater extent, are content with banging a shit ton of people and then coming back to you for your scheduled fuck/blow.
Oh, and another reason: Women will always cheat on you. Always.
>>27500217
>people who are interested in preserving the fabric of society should push for the legalization of prostitution. Sex and affection are basic mammal needs. Humans are mammal. Society is made of humans. In the current post-sexual liberation paradigm (so slow return to nature in the realm of relationships), you'll have an increasing number of human males unable to get that, so you'll probably have more Elliot and Cho in the future, because without access to a mate (sex, affection and maybe reproduction), most men have no fundamental interest in society. Cheap bread and circuses are a good buffer, but if you want to avoid civil unrest, you'll have to add legalized cannabis and prostitution to that.
>Either you're a tournament species or you're a civilization (marriage), you can't ask millions of males "just work, work, work, shut up and die alone without getting any recognition or affection while we give your taxes to Stacey to fund her orgies with Chad, Brad and Thad". This isn't sustainable. It's a wrongful termination of the social contract. Men who see soon enough that they have no place in society will go full "beautiful ones" (opt out) and those who break their back all their life expecting to get the package they were promised only to suddenly realize they've been lied to will snap. I'm not an expert but unless the powers that be implement Brave New World-type behavior control measures, you can be sure that it's going to get real supreme in the western world in the next few decades.
i don't have a problem with casual sex but i don't want my gf to reach 10 guys ever.
>>27501073
Its not that effective tho
oh and sex with strangers corrupt you internally, there is just no way to explain it but you slowly lose the value attached to sex and see it as means of getting things or achievements
>>27500841
The more past sexual partners, the less likely a woman's marriage will be successful. Also, female hypergamy.
>Sex is a basic human need, like food or shelter. People who are dreprived of sex suffer severe emotional and physical symptoms.
>With other basic needs society recognises that people have to be provided them. If someone has no food then society is obligated to give them food. If someone has no shelter then society is obligated to give them shelter. The big difference though is that 'society' cannot give someone sex. It has to be provided by an individual. While people agree that no one should go without food, very few people agree that anyone who is hungry has the right to invite themselves to dinner at their home. With other rights the obligation to provide them can be spread out through society, with sex you cannot do that, it has to be provided for by an individual.
>The obvious solution to this would e to legalize prostitution and let sex deprived people pay for sex but this is hard to do because women as a class oppose it. Prositution lowers the value of sex and makes it freely available to men, this lowers the value of women. Feminism (which should be seen as a trade union for women) is universally opposed to legal prostitution. Even 'sex positive'' feminism which supports legalizing female prostitutes still supports criminalizing male customers of prostitutes. It is these feminists who mostly loudly shout that 'no one has the right to sex'. Because giving people the right to have sex would lower the value of women as a class.
>The suffering of low status sexless men is a neccessary part of maintaining the high price of female sexuality.
>>27500841
Single motherhood, aging population, polyamory, abortion, death of loyalty, Sodomy, adultery.
>>27500464
>>27500256
>>27500217
Nice samefag.
I used to be more libertarian, now I'm for whatever counteracts the idiot southerners and their elected faggots in the house and senate that push their thinly veiled racial cucking fear agenda
>>27500217
>as a libertarian
Kek'd and stopped reading
>>27500217
>morality is relative and I'm an edgy teen: the post
>>27501192
Keep going, I'm readin' and appreciatin'.
You are retarded for not differentiating between government regulation and cultural norms. Of course the government has no place regulating sex, but the culture can be anti-casual sex and should be as it is harmful to society.
Faggot.
>>27501258
Are you implying that it isn't?
>>27500217
Casual sex is only baf if you are an insecure small dicked virgin.
>>27501230
I'm not racist, race and nationality are forms of collectivism and any kind of collectivism is stupid. Also southerners are usually welfare leeches anyway.
Individual > society
>>27501180
But who cares about marriage?
>>27500848
None of this is a consequence of casual sex. Robots have nothing to lose.
Most couples now are dual income so men are losing less than ever.
Men also will trade up given half a chance.
>>27500217
>believing in individual rights
Come on now.
"Individual rights" are imaginary and "freedom" is not inherently good.
t. fascist
>>27501349
*bad oops
>>27501325
It isn't as far as you believe that working towards a more efficient and practical society is moral. If you are gonna be that edgelord that suggests nuking the earth is moral "cuz moe-ralitee cant bee deefined xDDD" then I'm not gonna bother arguing with you.
>>27501358
>tfw without the collective efforts of all the people that currently and in the past comprise your society you would be naked in the woods eating raw meat
>tfw the people who extol individualism are almost always unaccomplished college aged dreamers
>>27501364
People that care about well raised children.
>>27501382
Freedom is inherently good because true freedom comes from the rational part of a person's mind holding sovereignty over the rest of them. To replace that with anybody else's government is one of the worst things that can be done to a person and it's the same as only going off desires and not questioning anything or understanding the world. A good life is only possible when you understand for yourself what really is good, and not just what appears to be good.
t. anarchist
>>27501381
Individual rights is a meme. Do you think I should be able to bang 11 year olds?
>>27501452
the only thing free from corruption is God. man will always be vulnerable to error and to account for this reality a governing body is necessary. check mate, anarchist
>>27500217
Increased promiscuity leads to lower birth rates below replacement level.
A society that does not have enough children is a society that is dying.
>>27501358
>any kind of collectivism is stupid
Said the fat neckbeard that uses the Internet which was created by collective effort from the government.
>>27501476
No. Individual rights are fucking dumb, that was the point of my post, nigger, I'm a fucking Stalinist.
>>27501481
Who's going to make up the governing body if it isn't men?
>>27501424
You are right in that sense, but to call morality objective is misleading, because that would imply that there was some sort of moral outline since the dawn of man; which is not the case.
>>27501358
>mfw the specialization of labor is founded upon surplus food
>mfw agriculture is a prerequisite of surplus food
>mfw collective effort is a prerequisite of agriculture
>mfw collectivism is a requirement for civilization
>mfw individualists don't understand this.
>>27501524
are you expecting me to say squirrels?
>>27501563
It'd make more sense as an answer than the arguments that are usually used.
casual sex treats lightly something that is very serious in both the abstract and concrete realm-- abstract, as in the connections between sex and love and the human spirit; concretely, casual sex has numerous detriments to a practical life, such as unwanted pregnancy, the proliferation of disease, and the confusion of regret and consent.
social liberalism: the ultimate manifestation of weak-willed virtue. here I'm talking about the kind of pseudo-virtue that keeps people from pointing out obvious wrongs and errors in reasoning just because doing so could be construed as mean or impolite. "mean" is the key word here. social liberalism accepts heinous impracticalities for the sake of accordance with popular opinion.
to give an easy and poignant example, the social liberal idealism about open borders is completely impractical, but insofar as this idealism is popular, social liberals are inclined to accept and implement it.
>>27500256
Socially liberal used to imply you were out for the working man. Saying that now will get you politically ostracized because 70cents and trannies.
>>27501358
Written in a keyboard "made in china" after eating a very nice meal with food bought in a supermarket nicely packaged, clean and ready to cook.
>>27501577
just form a republic and tweak it around a little bit like every other good country did
>>27501591
Yeah man, in spite of all the other bullshit, that's probably the thing that upsets me the most about social justice warriors: They're the bourgeois-approved alternative to progress.
>>27501581
kids these days can't into intangibles. i blame atheism
>>27501041
You won't always have access to that though. :^)
>>27501615
In a republic there's still government my dude. I want there to be no government at all, not just no state but no government in principle. It seems ridiculous to me that a small group of people should have a claim to rule over millions of places and human lives that they can't even fully comprehend.
It's simple economics. You should know this as a Libertarian.
>>27501648
the people elect representatives in a republic it's not like they're electing a stranger
>>27501452
A fascist state is not "somebody else's government", it's a natural outgrowth of a people, and therefore your government
>>27501702
it's like communism. It's very nice in theory isn't it
>>27501552
There's a significant difference voluntary collective effort to produce food and coerced collective effort to maintain a government
not even a libertarian btw, your argument is just not very good
>>27501702
I'm fine with delegation if it's being used to discuss specific topics and if the delegates are instantly recallable. There is literally nothing good about constituted authority.
>>27501708
>naturalistic fallacy
>implying that the youngest out of capitalism, communism and socialsm is somehow the natural choice anyway
>>27501715
implying america wasn't the pride of the known world for about a century after it's establishment. republics have a great track record, communists not so much
>because individuals have a right to do something means they should
>if you think heroin i bad and people shouldn't do it you're violating individual rights
>>27501743
you're already taking the republic idea and tweaking it. I'm sure if you had a few other intellectuals you could hammer out a serviceable government not unlike the early american one
>>27501743
>>implying that the youngest out of capitalism, communism and socialsm is somehow the natural choice anyway
Fascism wasn't a totally new philosophy, it was a 20th-century revitalization of much older concepts & institutions that were/are being overrun by communism & capitalism
>>27501749
Such amazing democracy you guys have in america. You're eitheir black or white, no room for grey at all. I'm so jelly.
>>27501771
I was talking more about how the syndicalists conducted assemblies.
>>27501782
NEW AND IMPROVED (tm) TRADITIONALISM
>>27501783
I couldn't help but notice you're using present tense in that post which means you did not fully read mine
>>27500771
Everything else is just sugar coating that reason. People who participate in casual sex like it. People who don't, but would want to, will invent any bullshit reason to justify why it's a bad thing.
>>27501735
I think this is the libertarian analogue of the SJW-in-the-normie mask image.
>I'm not a libertarian, but don't you just hate all that coerced collectivism?
But to talk about your point, the notion that an ancient agrarian society (aka chiefdom) was not coerced collectivism is a laugh. It's the same dilemma as today: do you submit to the chief, or do you die in the wilderness?
>>27501794
why mess with a good thing is my thinking. can't go wrong with a republic
>>27501813
"liking" something is not the measure of whether something is good or whether something should be done
How old were you when you outgrew libertarianism? It was 21 for me
>>27500217
Is this you OP? How is your wife's son going?
>>27501815
Majority rule by principle is stupid in my opinion, if you have a kind of direct consensus-based system it's less arbitrary and more dialectical. Also, when you elect authorities they can just try to serve their own interests and be manipulative.
>>27501852
I guess these days you could have voting via facebook (lol) but in olden times it was only practical to have a representative since you couldn't get every single person to convene once your population reached a certain size. people can serve their own interests, but that's why you have frequent elections so you can keep a check on that and also make sure everyone has a gun just in case
>>27501899
You can still have representatives, they're just instantly recallable and don't have any more power than the group of people that sent them. Of course everyone needs to be armed too.
>>27501936
nothing disagreeable with that
>>27500217
You can do what you want but we can judge you for your actions. People who are loose sexually are less trustworthy for long term relationships
>>27500217
>beep boop that isn't logical
libertarian autist detected.
thinking something is bad is not the same thing as wanting something to be illegal. You could be a libertarian and totally repulsed by casual sex.
people find things disgusting because they evolved to find it disgusting
people evolved to disapprove of a woman who has had a lot of sex partners because it means she's more likely to have diseases, more likely to have kids from another male, more likely to cheat.
>>27500817
even if none of those things happen it is still repulsive because we evolved to find it repulsive.
>"but that isn't logical"
whatever.
>>27501358
> race and nationality are forms of collectivism and any kind of collectivism is stupid
again, beep boop autistic libertarianism
>"any kind of collectivism is stupid"
why?
>Also southerners are usually welfare leeches anyway.
you misspelled "niggers"
>>27501452
an entire paragraph of plain assertions and assumptions
>"true freedom comes from the rational part of a person's mind holding sovereignty over the rest of them"
What does this even mean? Is it even true?
>therefore "Freedom is inherently good"
again, what does this even mean? how does it follow from the previous statement?
Same for pretty much everything you said
Basically what you're saying sounds schizophrenic and unstructured.
>>27501078
>go full "beautiful ones"
Shit, this is already happening. Case in point: /r9k/ itself with all its virgin NEETs. Then again, that's probably nothing compared to Japan.
For those of you wondering about the term "beautiful ones", read all about Calhoun's mice utopia experiment.
http://www.returnofkings.com/36915/what-humans-can-learn-from-the-mice-utopia-experiment
>>27501192
You're definitely onto something. One obvious downside is that this only really solves the problem of not enough sex for rich, lonely people. As for the poor, lonely people? They'll probably end being more miserable, since they still can't fulfill their needs.
Another potential downside I can see is that the men who fuck these prostitutes only will probably find it harder to start and hold romantic relationships, but they probably had that problem in the first place.
