===== CHART THREAD =====
>spend hours making a chart
>try and make friends
>rate ppl by an ms paint image
Just spent too much time making mine and there was no threads in the catalog.
>>27432138
r8 and h8 dudes
>>27432229
serial experiments, watching right now.
>>27432229
>philosophy
>any plato
What's your favourite plato, though? I read through his complete works. I think i enjoy Timaeus and so on best. I'd have a coffee with you and discuss libertarianism and so on tbqh famalamabingbangbong
Today: Hapiness is like 9. Probably because i remembered spinoza. Anybody want a big fat hug?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNm-xT59c-8&index=4&list=PLPwpjAMm3XckpXKGao1cEcaQX0aaIohBy
>>27432229
Your music taste is dope. I love Viet Cong and Car Seat Headrest. Have you listened to Women? Public Strain is legit one of the best albums I've ever heard, but it's hard to get into at first. Eyesore if probably the greatest song I've ever heard, it's outro is absolutely sublime
You like Moby Dick too, that's one of my favourite books, not a lot of r9k has patrician taste. You should check out Blood Meridian if you haven't already, thematically similar with equally brilliant prose.
>>27434168
loldude you've only ever been spoonfed the shitty materialistic modern 'spiritual' life. I see you like Epictetus though, he offers a very practical guide to what, essentially 'spirituality' should be. If you want to go deeper read some Zen or Taoist texts.
>>27434299
>Zen or Taoist texts
I tried getting through the Tao te Ching, but it was too incomphrehensible to me. Although i could probably appreciate what he tries to say better now than when i tried reading it a year ago or so.
>>27434372
It's better to have some understanding of what Taoism is before reading it. I got that from my high school Chinese teacher, so idk what books you should read, but basic introductory texts shouldn't be too hard to find.
>>27434426
Most spirituality i have read is too life-denying. Like Hinduism, maybe? I have no deep longing for nothingness (right now), i want to fuck this world metaphorically. I don't think it explains anything, either. All answers to "why the universe?" are just put out of hand as "as a thing striving for nothingness" doesn't answer why it appeared in the first place. It's not even worthy of being called spirituality then. It's still too human.
>>27434472
lmao, I guess different approaches to spirituality work for different people. I've always been really attracted to a quiet life of nothingness and simple solitude, without achieving much. I really just want to find contentment, not change the world. I get INFP on the same test that you get INTJ/ENTJ on though so that probably explains it.
Thanks for reading my blog post, senpai.
>>27435294
INFP and INFJ are mysteries to me, i cannot understand how they function. What do you want out of life? What's your raison d' etre? If nothing else, to find one?
>>27436119
For me, just chill and find contentment, I guess? I like artistic expression (through writing for me), and lots of other INFs do, but I'm under no delusions that I'm going to even get published and become successful. At the moment, I just want to have enough money to survive, work I enjoy, and enough free time to read, write, go hiking, relax, meditate etc.
We're all going to die and eventually humanity will go extinct and the whole universe will collapse, so there's no point in trying to do great things that will get you remembered by coming generations. If through living out your life according to your own abilities/goals you end up with prestige/power and fame, then that's all fine, I just think people who live purely for those things are living in bad faith. Personally, I just want to spend my life living it in accordance with my own 'nature,' if that makes sense. I'm not going to force myself to achieve things which really don't matter to me.
Thanks for reading my blog post, senpai.
Friendly reminder that these threads are for women and teenage fucking FAGS: Both groups that do not belong on this board.
>>27436228
People that seek honour and glory in this life just do it as a drug. I have a delusion that i'll live forever or at least be part of one of the last generations that die naturally.
>>27436192
> I've decide. I'm going to fill this out.
I see you deleted your post. Why? Just fill it out and post it.
>>27436287
>People that seek honour and glory in this life just do it as a drug.
I always thought this. I seek the opposite for basically the same reason - it's what gets me 'high' in a sense.
I realise I'm pleb.
>>27436295
These threads make me really sad. I don't know. You can list so much about yourself but to what end? It seems the closer people get the further are from each other. I know none of this matters but it still gets in my head. It's one of the only things that still can.
You just sit awake all night thinking about how terrifying and in straights everything is. Maybe it is easier to just say it is intimidating? That I can do nothing better than doing this? I don't know. I'm tired, and sad. Thinking sucks.
Also, there was a typo from the tired.
>>27436341
Have you posted your chart?
>>27436379
I mostly come here because i don't have to act like an asshole here to be accepted, i guess. I like talking to people sometimes just because they might give you different perspectives on important philosophical questions. When you do want to be around people, what do you like to do? I watch Watamote with a guy from here. Do you like Bergman movies?
>>27436375
What pieces do you play on the piano?
>>27436244
we all know no one gives a shit, but it's still fun..
>>27436419
Can you post your alchemy site again? I forgot to save it last time. You're pretty cool, as usual. Would take lectures on alchemy and other chit from.
>>27436411
Tiersen, Einaudi, etc. Lots of impressive sounding, but easily playable hipster shit.
>>27436396
>Have you posted your chart?
No, I thought I wouldn't have the time to make one but I ended up wasting most of my day shitposting. I would make one now but I'm getting tired. I might make one tomorrow and start a new thread.
>>27436436
I know it's probably not related, but i sometimes enjoy listening to some finnish throat singing and feel spiritual. Got any spiritual piano pieces to recommend?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmo3fKeveo
>>27436439
It's ok fampai, you can just write it in text like the other robots who don't have time.
>>27436419
>DUDE SCIENCE LMAO XD
Kill yourself redditor
>>27436429
koliskoarchive com/category/eugen-kolisko/
>>27436396
I'm never near people. All I do is listen to things and try not to think because of how much of a chore it is. I honestly have no idea who you're talking about. I don't watch things. It's too much. For me to watch something is has to be nothing short of exceptional. That said, I've watched from start to finish Bee Movie over fifty times.
I may fill one of these out. It's certainly a lot though. Very tired. I'll do it later, maybe. Dipping out to sleep.
>>27436462
okey dokey artichokey
>>27436643
>okey dokey artichokey
GET THE FUCK OUT
>>27436652
mad? its okay to be an idiot
nothing wrong with liking chinese moving pictures over chemistry or physics lol
>>27432229
Good choice of porn
>>27434168
Hi swedefriend
>>27436716
At first I thought you were missing half your head because the blonde is too light
Not that it'll amount to anything, but here goes
>>27436375
Great choice of albums & tv show
>>27432229
Looks like you've improved from 5 years back. Also, +1 for Black Flag/Lain. Would chill with
>>27437035
1 year ago*
Just saw that. My bad.
still using old format but wasn't bothered to update it.
>>27437035
good taste in tunes
>>27432229
viet cong are real good mang
time to redo this soon
>>27436716
What's up, still not up for a hug?
>>27437035
Do you read any factual books? I got some novels today, such as foucault's pendulum and the name of the rose. But that's only because i want to get into the occult more and maybe do some alchemy.
>>27437088
What philosophy do you like? You can see from my chart that i have mostly done ethical stuff up until now. But i really want to get into the metaphysicians and epistemologists, which was also my original motivation for studying philosophy.
who wants to be my supr friend
>>27437187
I haven't read either of those, sadly. But I liked Eco's writings on semiotics, language, art and aesthetics. Pretty sure these aspects are reflected in his novels too.
>>27437241
What are your favourite philosophical writings? Or do you just have a big fat list of philosophical writings everybody interested in philosophy ought to read? I'm just working through western philosophy as i go, pretty much.
>>27437268
In no order of preference
Utopia, Science of Logic, Critique of Pure Reason, The Ego and Its Own, Being and Nothingness, The Myth of Sisyphus
Meme aside, also read the Classics
>>27437216
>it's a wonderful life
I've been meaning to watch that. Any good?
not making a new one
>>27437354
Science of Logic from hegel, right?
>>27437385
you seem pcool
>>27437557
that's the one, indeed
>>27437597
No analytic philosophers? What do you think about them? Is analytic philosophy normie philosophy?
>>27437385
I look like your ideal partner :^)
i know i'm just a basic bitch pleb
All people here that score left of center or center, what is your opinion of economics as a science? Do you think it is a legitimate field of study or just the musings of pseudointellectual normie shills? Do you have any background in economics?
>>27437612
not happening kek
>>27437607
I don't think philosophy is a normie thing to begin with, except if it's simplistic quotes on t shirts.
Even normies who talk and read philosophy are probably considered a bit eccentric if it's bought up in most social circles.
As for analytics, Locke and Russell are good in my book, and logical positivism in general. But I'm poorly read in that field.
>>27437642
It's alright you don't look like mine ;^)
>>27437669
nice roast gg
>>27437652
Locke: not an analytic philosopher.
Analytic philosophy is a tradition starting in the 20:th century. It just tends to have a close connection with anglophone philosophy, but it need not be such philosophy. All you need to do analytic philosophy is 1) Respect science 2) Be a smug little shit (like me) 3) Write in an extremely disinterested formal tone 4) Write with such extreme clarity that everybody who goes for it can read it (it can still be information-dense though).
I want to do some kind of analytic metaphysics. That's my goal, sort of. But we need to get to that point in time to start with. I am not one to go for the easy deal here, i want to understand the whole tradition so i can fully understand modern philosophy too.
>>27437715
My mistake, like I said, poorly read. Any books or papers to suggest?
That said, good luck with your goals
>>27437755
I doubt i'm worse read than you. I was going to post my whole list of just philosophical works i've read but somehow non-ascii text i couldn't remove got in there.
I found these little essays from Oxford nice in this, in general most is on SEP and IEP.
plato.stanford.edu
iep.utm.edu
There's also no way around just going about reading the works. There's not much i can recommend reading as of now. Book 3 of WtP maybe, if you want to know the thing i deeply suspect but want to resist. Most are listed in my chart. >>27434168
I'm probably even worse read than you, so i can't recommend much. Read the whole tradition, i guess. Get the essential shit down first and then go back to specific influences like the neoplatonists so on if you want to.
Essential:
Descartes, Meditations and Discourses
Spinoza, Ethics
Leibniz, Monadology
Locke, Essay on human understanding
Berkeley, Philosophical Essays
Hume, Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding and Concerning the Principles of Morals
>>27436716
>notes from underground
love yu bb
>>27437197
I'm not into that much philosophy bro :-{
>>27437954
I still think you can teach me something on it. Do you have any insights to share? I have read thousands of pages, and yet i don't have a simple worthwhile thing to formulate/verbalize right now in a short aphorism or something!
Space alligator reporting.
>fresh can of mepsipax
>lit salem in hand
How's your morning, anon?
>>27438526
I don't understand why people like reading fiction so much. Where do you score on the MBTI?
>>27437088
Got any pics of your graf? You get up often? What's your local scene like?
>>27438552
>I don't understand why people like reading fiction so much.
You know, people said that to me a lot back in school. It's just something I like. Like others watch sportsball matches. It's just what they liked doing. Almost like it's a preference or something. Who'd of thunk it, huh?
>Where do you score on the MBTI?
I don't put stock in the MBTI. The questions are vague almost-queries, but I took one just now just for shits and giggles, so here you go: ISTJ.
I wasted too much time to make this.
>>27438761
Of course, i understand. It's a very honest attitude towards tastes, i myself have rationalizations for why they like X or Y.
>>27438893
Based MBTI score.
Your favourite youtuber is a pleb, however. What's your youtube channel/vlogging platform?
I never want to do this again.
Also the filesize got ridiculous so http://i.imgur.com/4gVIcOv.jpg if you want a good version
>>27436716
Damn nigga, you is damaged
>>27439057
Do you necessarily need to be a tumblr/ecig fag if you read books? Just read the right kind of books.
Don't just read anything, read towards a purpose.
>>27438952
I had a channel for 3 years where i posted videos in which i raged and i acted like a complete retard. I liked doing them, felt good after filming. My friends thought they were funny and asked me to do more. I also learned video editing while doing this. I eventually had to shut down my channel after i started college because someone was going to show the videos to my new colleagues and i couldn't risk to ruin my image. I still have the videos on my computer, i would show them to you but i was speaking my native language (romanian) in them. I'm thinking of starting a new channel though.
>>27436716
Philosophy for the downtrodden, a very christian thing.
>>27436716
Philosophy for the fucked up, an extremely christian thing. All these anti-christians are deeply christian.
Checking in from the United States of Trump
>>27439776
Extremely based edgelord. Added you on skype. Evolutionary Psychology wise, i don't think mating or not is up to the choice of the person. It's more like this: Reason is a slave to serving the extremely basic and idiotic ends of the body.
inb4normie
commente originale famalam
>>27439776
Laff'd at your instrument.
>>27438526
why meatloaf
If you're a male who posts in these threads, did it even happen?
>>27432229
>>27436716
>>27437158
lain's good
>>27439776
mtn dew's good unless you're being ironic
>>27439899
vaporwave's STUPID
>>27439899
I asked you if we could do skype yesturday. Still not up?
>>27439960
>>27439957
Do you have any arguments for your political stances?
>>27439972
i don't think i'm who you're thinking of friendo
>>27439957
Because I like it. It goes good with mashed potatoes and peas & carrots.
>>27439997
i took the test and it put me there
>>27439960
based OSRS, based Generation War, terrible music taste
i'll let you off since growing out of metalcore takes time
>>27439960
clicked wrong reply i havent slept in 34 hours sorry famalam
>>27439997
>>27439957
It's as much a moral stance as it is a political one. It's just how I roll famalam
>>27440197
Can logical arguments refute moral ideas? On what basis are moral truths established? On how well they serve your interests?
>>27440027
I've developed a taste for metalcore over time, It's like I'm aging into a 13 year old girl.
>>27440228
They don't really serve my interests at all. They do, however, serve the interests of humanity and a sense of "greater good", which is an important idea to me.
hey why not I could use a robot friend.
>>27440378
Who's that politician? What philosophy/philosophical works do you like? Guessing something like poststructuralism by your book choices.
>>27434168
Do you realize almost everything about this chart is a paradox and contradicts who you are now vs who you do not want to be?
>>27440509
No, not at all. How do you mean? Do you mean i can't have big muscles and still live up to the spinozistic ideal?
>>27440528
I mean go fuck yourself.
>>27440546
You're free to have your opinion, of course.
>>27440448
John Howard, basically a right of center guy who was unpopular for introducing consumption tax (GST). He's since been vindicated by Australia's high living standards, low poverty, low crime and government support that is almost unparalleled in any similar democracy. All a result of more government revenue, it also helped us avoid being too impacted by the subprime mortgage crisis (although, like most countries we did have some investment in it. I may have put America as my favourite country but, seriously, fuck those idiots for that massive oversight).
I like meta-ethics. Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes is probably the most reasonable account of our source of ethics I've ever read. I also like David Hume. I like Immanuel Kant as well because, while I think he's completely wrong about ethics being rational, I do like some of his ethics. I think everyone likes the idea of being treated as an ends in and of themselves rather than merely as a means to an end.
My favourite modern philosopher is Derek Parfit, though I am partial to John Searle just for how contrarian he is, it's important to keep functionalists and determinists reminded that they don't actually *know* anything.
I'm a big fan of panpsychism as a theory of mind, especially since it completely fucks with our ethical intuitions. Functionalism, the generally accepted theory, seems to me to imply panpsychism.
I also like the idea of pandeism: That the universe is either infinitely recycling itself, or that it is a closed causal loop.
I've read nothing about post-structuralism but looking it up on wikipedia it doesn't sound like something I'd be particularly interested in. I like Philosophy of Mind and Ethics.
>>27437165d-do you want to be friends?
>>27440672
Yes. But only if there is a means of communication, because otherwise it is in some sense meaningless.
>>27440630
> John Howard, basically a right of center guy who was unpopular for introducing consumption tax (GST). He's since been vindicated by Australia's high living standards, low poverty, low crime and government support that is almost unparalleled in any similar democracy.
I see a problem of causation vs. correlation here. According to my theories, there is no way for a consumption tax to cause those things because only a free economy can cause those things (unless goods and services magically drop from the sky).
>All a result of more government revenue, it also helped us avoid being too impacted by the subprime mortgage crisis (although, like most countries we did have some investment in it. I may have put America as my favourite country but, seriously, fuck those idiots for that massive oversight).
The housing crisis is, according to my theories, 100% due to the government inducing a textbook example of an Austrian business cycle (as in, it perfectly mimics a business cycle described by the Austrian Theory of the Business Cycle): Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae inflating the supply of loans which were used to buy houses, and then when it was shown that the supply of loans didn't reflect the reality of the situation the boom went bust.
>I like meta-ethics. Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes is probably the most reasonable account of our source of ethics I've ever read. I also like David Hume. I like Immanuel Kant as well because, while I think he's completely wrong about ethics being rational, I do like some of his ethics. I think everyone likes the idea of being treated as an ends in and of themselves rather than merely as a means to an end.
I haven't read Leviathan or Hume, i have been putting it off for a long time because i have been reading other thinkers in western philosophy. Kantian ethics of course is easy to destroy by a reductio ad absurdum: I see no reason for thinking that ethical maxims are ends in themselves. Proof by assertion is not enough, of course.
One day senpai will notice me, im sure of it.
>>27440802
>>27440630
Pandeism as mis-spelled Pantheism or as a new concept in itself? I can't see the difference between "the universe is god" and "the universe is a god that created the world and then didn't interact with it any more". Pantheism is in some sense the exact opposite of eternal recurrence, but only possible from when you already have a theroy of it. Pantheism is mostly interesting as an ethical point of view, namely, that we should focus on this world as much as we would focus on god. This alone is holy, noble, good, all-knowing, etc. Of course there are significant intuitive moral problems with this.
> I'm a big fan of panpsychism as a theory of mind, especially since it completely fucks with our ethical intuitions. Functionalism, the generally accepted theory, seems to me to imply panpsychism.
Panpsychism doesn't make any particular sense intuitively, do you have any arguments for why functionalism could imply panpsychism? Universalism in ethics is very un-ethical, because it has always produced the most brutality and slaughter in history. Attempts to institute communism, for example. Or the refugee crisis right now. Ethics is an extremely dangerous subject that everybody loves to use sloppy reasoning in. This is why moral anti-realism is extremely moral once you understand the motivation behind it.
>I've read nothing about post-structuralism but looking it up on wikipedia it doesn't sound like something I'd be particularly interested in. I like Philosophy of Mind and Ethics.
French post-modern sophistry. I enjoy them, even if i find them moronic. Maybe ironically enjoy them? The french linguist sassure had this thing structuralism where meaning was defined as how things relate to other things in a structure (see a similarity here to functionalism?) but then people went away from that because the structure must in some sense be meaningless, because it is based on language which is full of contradictions (my sophomoric understanding).
>>27440810
I asked you yesturday what conspiracy theories you like. What conspiracy theories do you like? Why might they be true/workable explanations?
>>27440802
> there is no way for a consumption tax to cause those things because only a free economy can cause those things
Taxation doesn't necessarily restrict the economy. Unless you have a different definition of a free economy.
Pic related, it explains how wealth distribution works in Australia to make things relatively equitable. I suggest you stop drinking from the libertarian kool-aid and read up on why we have rulers in the first place. I don't necessarily disagree with anarchism, but libertarianism is the worst elements of both statism and anarchism. It's basically the richest people saying: We should abolish all laws except for the ones that say we can keep the property we've claimed. The book I mentioned, Leviathan, actually explains why kings are important, their function is to create social order. Libertarianism is basically arguing that 'we will create better social order if we don't force our king to create better social order' which I believe is absurd.
>The housing crisis is, according to my theories, 100% due to the government inducing a textbook example of an Austrian business cycle (as in, it perfectly mimics a business cycle described by the Austrian Theory of the Business Cycle): Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae inflating the supply of loans which were used to buy houses, and then when it was shown that the supply of loans didn't reflect the reality of the situation the boom went bust.
That's just scapegoating. EVERYONE was involved with the housing crisis. From debtors who didn't pay their creditors, to PRIVATE regulatory companies who accepted bribes to give AAA ratings to bad loans.
The government failed by not investigating it properly. However, if the government had MORE of an influence it would have had MORE power to investigate.
>I haven't read Leviathan
Do it. That's the actual redpill. Ayn Rand is not a serious philosopher.
>>27440943
>Pandeism as mis-spelled Pantheism or as a new concept in itself?
So, think of evolution. Not just by natural selection, but the evolution of chemistry (we started with JUST hydrogen, now we have all the elements of the periodic table some of which have been the result of human intervention). It seems to me there is progress when it comes to evolution. From what's known as a quark and gluon soup (before atomic particles even existed) matter has evolved to the point where we're on the precipice of strong AI. It seems logical to me that if evolution continues with this sort of progress eventually the universe itself will become God. I then submit that having nowhere to go God would annihilate itself and the whole thing would start over again.
Pantheism is like 'The universe directs and knows' Pandeism is more like 'We are the universe directing and knowing itself'.
>Panpsychism doesn't make any particular sense intuitively, do you have any arguments for why functionalism could imply panpsychism?
Functionalism is the idea that consciousness is a function of the brain and therefore could be a function of computers.
Why stop there, though? Computers are just matter and energy, so is the brain, so is the plumbing in your house, so is the Earth, so is the universe.
I submit that functionalists either believe consciousness arises ex nihilo, or that it is a primordial feature of all things. One is slightly more intuitive than the other, I think.
>>27440981
1/2
Social order is a result from social trust. The state both creates a surrogate for social trust and also destroys existing social trust to get more power (at the least, has an incentive to do so). The reason why taxes must necessarily restrict the economy is because they must of necessity be non-neutral. There are many reason for why they must be non-neutral. The biggest one is that it they decrease the amount individuals are willing to save (and thus how much the economy can grow) by ignoring that people save relative to how their time preferences are.
It is true that we have rulers to produce law and order, but there is no inherent reason for why rulers must necessarily be anti-market. I have no problems with an absolute monarchy that supports a free market. Libertarianism is a big intellectual tradition, so i can't claim to speak for all of it, but for my particular branch (propertarian minarchism): I support it because people by their very nature want to serve their needs, and the best way to serve everyone's basic needs so that they can get to a point of "higher" needs (spiritual needs) is to have a free market. There is nothing inherent in the market which says that the people who make the least money have to be poor, only that there will tend to be big inequalities in wealth distribution. Now, if a very unequal wealth distribution helps the poor and downtrodden, why shouldn't we have an unequal wealth distribution?
I think Ragnar Redbeards "Might is Right" is a much more red-pilled analysis of the state of nature than Leviathan, by the way. I have read enough secondary literature to know the general gist of the book. I'll read it anyways. Have you read Hans-Hermann Hoppe's "democracy the god that failed"?
>That's just scapegoating
It's "just" the ABCT explanation of the business cycle. All of those other things just follow naturally because people serve their own interests.
Gonna update aat some poiint
>>27440981
>>27441329
2/2
>The government failed by not investigating it properly. However, if the government had MORE of an influence it would have had MORE power to investigate.
The problem is that democratic governments are highly schizophrenic because multiple people have the power to make decisions that serve their own interest by the most powerful and seen-as-legitimate institution in society. If the government has more power to investigate, this means that people who have their own interests to serve have more power to do so, even if their interests contradict your interests. Since there is no way other than violent revolution (democracy doesn't work because of numerous reasons i'll get into later) to stop them from doing so, and because violent revolution is much more messy than just passively accepting the intrusions of these people on your interests, the government should have as little influence as possible in order that most peoples interests are served.
>>I haven't read Leviathan.
>Do it. That's the actual redpill. Ayn Rand is not a serious philosopher.
I have never been a Randian, nor have i ever thought her a serious philosopher. My philosophical origins are, if anything, based in Aristotle, Plato, Nietzsche, The Stoics, Spinoza and so on. Although i haven't discovered a dogmatic philosophy to follow yet. I am a seeker.
>>27441176
"Change to a goal" is what we call "teleology". It's the model Aristotle applies to analyze nature and humanity. While it still works for humans, it doesn't work for the natural world because there are significant decreases in progress in the history of the world, brought on by evolution. Evolution just means that the ones who manage to survive are the ones who manage to survive. They may be dumber, weaker, whatever; but just breed more. It's still evolution then. This smells very Hegelian, am i right here?
>>27432138
boasting for /soc/
>>27441176
>>27441329
>>27440981
>>27441475
3/2
I needed more than 2 posts it turns out.
>Functionalism is the idea that consciousness is a function of the brain and therefore could be a function of computers.
Is this article on it acceptable? http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/functionalism/
What comes to mind here is "Monadology" by Leibniz, namely, that the 'simple' thing is consciousness and that the universe is an infinite collection of closed off consciounsesses ticking at the same rate so to speak because of a pre-established harmony ordained by god. I don't have enough background in the philosophy of mind to comment on this, but it seems like saying something is "primordial" weasels out of explaining in some way. What does it mean that it is primordial? Do we have any reasons to think that there is something 'outside' the mind in any sense? Can you imagine that?
>>27441329
"Nature hath made men so equal in the faculties of the body and mind, as that, though there be found one man sometimes manifestly stronger in body or of quicker mind than another, yet when all is reckoned together the difference between man and man is not so considerable as that one man can thereupon claim to himself any benefit to which another may not pretend as well as he. For, as to the strength of body, the weakest has strength enough to kill the strongest, either by secret machination or by confederacy with others that are in the same danger with himself."
TL;DR: There are a lot of ways one can gain an advantage over another, and it's not necessarily because they're better equipped physically or intellectually. Bigger families are desirable the less social order there is because it means more allies. Social order is a result from social trust, and the social order I find myself in works to make sure the necessities of life are always guaranteed to me. Yet, there is still motivation for me to want more than the necessities because it's in our nature to be better and greater than we are.
> All of those other things just follow naturally because people serve their own interests.
Yes, which is why we've evolved into having powerful, yet self-regulating, entities that are ideally independent. AKA Government.
Also, if you believe that, what makes you think less wealth distribution will advantage anyone other than people who are better at producing their own personal wealth?
Ju-87
>>27441557
> it seems like saying something is "primordial" weasels out of explaining in some way
So you disagree with atomic theory?
>>27441591
The thing you call an "atomon" today will not be an "atomon" tomorrow. We are always finding smaller and smaller pieces in the universe. It's best to keep physical speculation to the theoretical physicists and stay in the domain of philosophy.
>>27441475
>The problem is that democratic governments are highly schizophrenic
You've gone on to describe one form of democracy.
The sort of gridlock you experience in the states is avoided when you have a governor-general.
>While it still works for humans, it doesn't work for the natural world because there are significant decreases in progress in the history of the world
Progress from a human perspective is not necessarily the same as progress from a universal perspective.
All I'm arguing is that the universe could be some sort of self-solving puzzle. Perhaps the universe, including all of time, is just an accumulation of every finite physical possibility and experience.
Experience to me seems fundamental. To me, idealism is just as valid as physicalism. Ultimately an objective reality is as likely to be an agreed upon reality rather than one that would exist without anything to experience it.
>>27441639
Sure, but those smaller and smaller pieces either have a component that is a smaller and smaller piece of 'experience' 'consciousness' or 'qualia', or such things come from nothing,
>>27440968
Yeah sorry i went to bed pretty much right after i made my post and couldnt reply because the thread was archived when i got back.
My favorite conspiracy theory is the one that ive been working on myself; it unifies many of the theories into a single massive conspiracy theory which claims that jews are behind it all. Well, not all of it, some of the theories are propably just bullshit, for example chemtrails and stuff being added into your drinking water to keep you dumb.
Why might they be true? Well for example in 9-11 the rescue workers reported hearing demolition charges from the towers.
In the large theory where jews are behind all the major plots leading to human suffering all you have to do is look at who controls the money and the media and what the bible says:
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold,
I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
The bible prophecy told us that there would be people calling themselves jews and deceiving us. And look at the world today, "jews" own most of the media companies and control the money.
inb4 religious nut
>>27441559
>Yes, which is why we've evolved into having powerful, yet self-regulating, entities that are ideally independent. AKA Government.
Governments are not self-regulating. You're seeing a very slow downward spiral. Governments will be incapable of meeting entitlement programs and are thus doing a myriad of further destructive things to aid this. This follows from Ludwig von Mises insight that the market will always tend to either complete capitalism or complete violent abolition of the market i.e "socialism" because every government intervention in the economy must of necessity fail, and if it fails you can either do the hard but working thing (remove the failed regulation) or the easy quick fix that will later require a harder and tougher fix or another quick fix in a finite spiral towards complete "socialism". It's better to do the right thing and take the burn now, than to have an even greater pain later.
>>27441649
How does it solve it? Bryan Caplan's arguments put forth against democracy in his book "The myth of the rational voter" seems to apply to this case too.
>Experience to me seems fundamental. To me, idealism is just as valid as physicalism. Ultimately an objective reality is as likely to be an agreed upon reality rather than one that would exist without anything to experience it.
I'm an idealist because the existence of the external world is an unnecessary hypothesis (using occam's razor). All you need is phenomena and the properties of phenomena. This might or might not imply solipsism. I haven't examined that route yet. I guess we agree on this point. So, does leibniz monadology solve this problem or not by making the world an infinite series of indivisible 'observations' of the world that are closed off from each other but 'synched' by a pre-established harmony?
Recommended reading on neutral taxation
Man, Economy and State page 914 to 927 on neutral taxation (i have 2:nd scholars edition from mises.org in hardback)
>>27432138
Tonight I will read that computer book I bought 3 months ago. I must start improving right now!
>>27441749
I already agree that 9/11 is at the very least not investigated to a satisfactory degree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nL10C7FSbE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nL10C7FSbE
So, here are two perspectives. Did they find melted pieces or not? How did the jet fuel atomize?
For the jewish redpill, all you need is the series "The Culture of Critique" by Kevin Mcdonald. Why do conspiracy if you can do non-conspiracy theory that works just as good?
>>27436716
Dogtooth is a hella sick movie
>>27441817
>screamerclauz
good taste
>>27441891
Oh sorry linked the same video twice. Here is the other one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA
>>27441494
It's Pastor Steven Anderson again.
Are you just a butthurt Catholic?
>>27432138
Please kik me
>>27441891
Obviously they will always be called conspiracy theories by the masses because they will never be accepted by them simply for the obvious reason that they will never make it to the mainstream media. Damn sheeps wont believe a thing unless its spoonfed to them by the tv news.
>>27442046
>bilskirnir
Nice
>>27436375
>animation
Based senpai. I love animating. Whats your kik?
>>27442060
Of course, but since conspiracy theories are by their very definition are controversial and speculative we should take our way into autist-acceptable theory whenever we can to win people over and also get a sober look on what we can reasonably expect to argue for in a public or semi-public arena. Therefore, culture of critique.
Dunno why I bothered with this /soc/ shit but there you go.
>>27442094
Wotansvolk is my favorite by them.
too lazy to finish
just looking for friends ;_;
>>27442423
Friends are overrated. You dont really want them. Trust me.
>>27442468
but friendship can be lovely
>>27442503
Nope. Youll just waste your time.
>>27442545
maybe so, but it's worth it to bring a little happiness to others
>>27442545
>>27442423
Friendships are good for two reasons:
1) They might keep your psychological health. If your friends are shitty people, you should leave them. It's harder for robots. Abundance mentality. Same with bitches.
2) I'm >>27434168 I'll take your skype if you have something interesting to say about WataMote.
i'd probably get a dozen (you)s if i changed my gender to female
i doubt i'd even have to redraw the pictures
r8 and shit.
>>27442629
Women are of course more in demand than men economically speaking because of evolutionary reasons. One woman can produce one baby over a span of 9 months at a tremendous risk to her health and productive capabilites, while a man can produce as many babies as he can find women. Thus, men will always be the more abused but also the more succesfull sex. There will be a lot of losers and a lot of failures.
What do you usually like to draw?
>>27442593
Sorry I haven't watched it yet ;_;
b-bummmmp
origam
>>27442675
I'll gladly be your emotional tampon, at least for tonight. Do you have a feminine dick?
>>27442651
Have you tried DMT? It's probably the only illegal drug i'd ever want to try (legal ones: only alcohol maybe once every year or so and medicines once i get old and coffee every day).
>>27442672
landscapes and architecture in traditional media
characters and robots and stuff digitally
>>27442689
sorry, no dick
>>27442681
Javla cooling. Har du lust att kora skype idag da?evilmanichean
>>27442720
Can you show a drawing?
>>27442732
Whatever, do you want to do skype? Username is up there.
>>27442705
Haven't ever been able to come across it. I definitely want to though.
>>27442787
I'm too much of a pussy to even think about ordering it. I guess i can still do it by fasting and so on, r-right?
>>27442786
art class still life
i draw too light, i know
>>27442839
It's extremely good. Have you gotten grilled by /ic/ yet?
>all these fucking teenfags
I thought 4chan had been blocked at the daycare.
>>27442859
thanks anon
and nah, they hardly even really give out useful critiques anymore
>>27442352
Good taste. Wotansvolk and Hyperborea are my favorites
I got kinda lazy and didn't fill much in
>>27443610
Why do you support the political stance that you supports? My popperian methodology commands me to ask people who don't believe the same things as me so i can get the right results.
>>27443610
>goreshit and igorrr
good taste
>>27439957
damn that plebmetal....
Making this sort of shit makes you realize how utterly boring you are.
>>27443610
Get the fuck of my board, you normie
>>27444004
> Bergman
Based. What's your favourite bergman movie?
>>27443648
I like green
>>27444094
Probably Wild Strawberries. I've barely even scratched the surface of his filmography so I'm looking forward to watching even more of his. I remember watching The Seventh Seal when I was 13 and it was the first time that I ever really appreciated a film for its cinematography and just the way it was made in general. Been a fan of his since.
>tfw no aryan housewife
>>27444193
Same here. I don't really notice the cinematograaphical stuff but the content of the movie is extremely interesting. And the variations of this theme. There's so many dimensions to his non-verbal arguments.
>>27443610
>high intelligence
>brainless left fag
How does it feel to not understand fucking anything?
>>27436419
>top album
>a sense a purpose
really nigga? that the best In Flames album you can come up with ?
>>27444355
no I just like green no bully pls
>>27437385
Insipid, only cares about pretentious music alongside flaunting her contrived appearance.
In other words: this is tumblr gril
>>27444394
Fuck you, oblivious cunt. Bump down your intelligence to a 3 or 4 then you won't get bullied for being a fucking idiot.
>>27442423
All right, friends!
Email me at [email protected] and I'll give you my skype there.
am i too late for the fun?
>>27442423
>can't live without mom's spaghetti
>>27443610
You're adorable and cutelicious.
>>27444445
Yeah silly me, I forgot that politicalcompass.org is a better indicator of a person's intelligence than an IQ test.
No seriously fuck off you nazi prick.
>>27444693
>m-muh nazis
>m-muh diversity
>muh equality
>>27444710
Wow, great response, you sure changed my views.
>>27444004
Nice on the directors, Kurosawa is a personal favorite.
>>27444262
Digging the western with movies and vidya, need to rewatch the Dollars trilogy at some point.
>>27444538
Fucking awesome comic picks, and good choices with the movies and vidya as well.
>>27444693
Your far left views give an indication that you clearly don't understand the world around you.
>Nazi prick
Something tells me you think Donald Trump is a racist, sexist Hitler bigot.
Are you really asking me to explain my reasoning?
>>27444758
Well he's racist, I don't know about sexist or a "Hitler bigot" though.
>>27444786
Can you substantiate that claim?
>>27444758
>demonizes one particular group, uses them as a scapegoat for society's problems
>trying to circumvent checks and balances to get things done
>appeals to nationalism and populism
but he's nothing like hitler guys
>>27436119
I'm INFJ and just want to live a simple symbiotic, altruistic, life.
Trying to understand morality and the functional, or philosophical, aspects of life is just a hobby.
>>27444830
Fuck off, hooknose
>>27444848
wow you sure convinced me of the validity of your worldview with that statement
I'm this poster >>27444532 and not the same person as >>27442423. I was just asking her to email me so I could share my skype there privately. Some anon already emailed me thinking I was the girl, which I'm not. Sorry for the mix-up!
Anyone who wants to be friends, guys or girls, can email me though.
>>27444939
Oh shit, I was just about to send an email thinking it was the seemingly cute girl
>>27442423
are there scars on your tights and arms? white girls are all the same I swear
anyway give me your skype here [email protected]
>>27444262
dollars trilogy and fistul dollars is your fav sergio leone's film, pretty nice man
>>27444538
leone's and kurosawa's shit here as well, that's cool, do you watch any other asian directors?
Why do these things take so long?
>implying I will get a response
>>27445174
>forgetting the picture
Baka desu senpai
>>27442423
sure hmu [email protected]
>>27442423
hit me up too yo
[email protected]
>>27444987
Don't know a lot of Asian directors desu, im interested in looking at more of Hiroyuki Tanaka's stuff though. But I'd happily take some suggestions!
>>27444758
Leftists just believe the media spouting off nonsense about Trump's supposed idiocy, they're just stupid and insecure about his IQ being one of the highest, but it's not their fault.
>>27445604
edgy and underage, of course. Pls, tell me more about how you love hitler, you edgy piece of shit.
>>27445604
>tfw reporting underage fag
Feels good
>>27445734
Tfw actually wrote 77, im an oldfag
>>27444376
it was the album my brother gave to me, so it got a nostalgic feel to it.
>tfw can't post because of 2mb maximum file size
>>27446020
Just compress it using paint my friend :^) or upload it to imgur and then download it so it'll compress there.
>>27445604
>left wing values
left / right wing is a economic scale, your values are authoritarian/libertarian you underage fucktoy
>>27446020
turn that nikka into a jpg
Man everyone else did such a good job.
>>27446444
ew, what a waste of trips
>>27446444
>this normie here
m8
>I genuinly think I have Autism because I have a panic attack when I try to read things. I can't read.
That's not autism, ffs.
>>27446444
send us a pic of you dressed with a nice dress (I hope there's some patterns on it)
you wanna play on new leaf with me?
https://youtu.be/Y6zAT15vaFk
>>27446628
Autism can mean whatever you want it to, anon.
>>27446643
Wow I was so happy that someone was nice to me on here but then you had to post Beck and I have no words to express to you how much I hate Beck??? Literally the only musician I genuinely hate? How are you supposed to understand what he's saying I just don't get it I don't get Beck.
But yes! Message me on something. I've never played Animal Crossing with another human, I didn't know that was a thing that could happen.
>>27446646
No. Stop misusing the term.
t. autist that gets triggered by that shit
>>27446690
I'm sorry anon. I won't say I have Autism because I can't read.
>>27446444
>when i was fat
>a size 14
you are still fat stacey
>>27446685
>hates beck
holy shit my opinion of you has gone from a 0/10 to a -5/10
>>27446706
Good girl. :3
>>27446707
Ya but I used to be a size 28 and now I'm a 14 so like I'm wayyyy less fat now. I can almost pass for a normal person.
>>27446685
forget everything, you hate beck and you never experienced online of animal crossing which exists on 3 games
you newfag, animal crossing won't bring you feminity
>>27442023
>you're just butthurt
I have serious disagreements with his theology and the way he advocates for hate rather than a desire to see his fellow man repent out of love
I don't see any issues with being opposed to him
>>27439057
Fucking excellent music taste my friend
>>27432138
bumping before this 404s so i can finish mine
>>27448247
Here's another bump.
Well, here it is
Rate me, I'm severely anti social with one friend and we can only connect about comic books because i don't do anything else.
>>27448335
you're the biggest crap i've seen
get the fuck out this board fucking normie
half virgin what the fuck is that shit, you have a 4y gf and half virgin, just die
you mexican shit robots can only be from west countries
i am nothing
>>27432138
finished it
No time for your fancy chart
>>27449151
she's Christian, she holds her beliefs. And also go die in a fucking hole, faggot.
>>27449419
>terry pratchett
>polish
MY MAN
I give you the most boring person in the worldtfw last time I took the political test I was a closer to the middle. tfw the only thing that's changed since then is I've been lurking /pol/
>>27450907
>forgot image
O GOD
I can't wait for part 4 of JJBA! I'll post a bad drawing of Josuke I did in 4 minutes (I'm still a beginner and I've been reading drawing books)
>>27451971
Jotaro is my husband but I like Josuke just as much
the pirates life for me
i am down for someone to talk shit with while i study
>>27452295
you are the first chilean that i saw on this board
>>27452703
do you think this is a fucking game
>>27449455
Fuckin' Ween yo, nice taste.
I have my first exam this wednesday and I haven't studied jackshit.
JUST FAIL MY SHIT UP
>>27453689
You're not shit my man, just your music taste.
I hope to no longer be a bum in the future.
Now I'm going to rate all of your guy's pics okay?
>>27455774
I didn't want to list any albums because they are too indie and sharing them would make them less special....I didn't forget....
>>27437620
What's making you unhappy anon?
>>27441405
>GOAT genetics
>GOAT Female choice
>GOAT Country
>Pleb tier anime
>Pleb tier Superhero
Started off good anon.
>>27441581
>Jewish Hollywood Faggot
Kek
>no hobbies
?
>A FUCKING LEAF
Kind of not surprised by this...
>>27442230
Nice taste in politicians and alcohol
>>27444759
What's a meme band?
>>27443610
Please leave. You don't belong here m8
>>27445184
So did reading physics turn you atheist or My Little Pony?
>>27451971
If you aren't Asian then....
<3
Please pay attention to me please validate me I crave it
>>27456810
>friends
wew lad
We don't take kindly to any NORMIES 'round here
>>27445184
Congratulations you're a fucking loser
>>27437385
why does everybody hate that album, the riffs are good its just a different style of music than usual.
>>27437620
limmy is god tier
>>27442046
>ss13
>watamote
>cr1t1kal
>desperate for human contact
thank god somebody in this thread is actually robotic
>>27442423
at least SOMEBODY appreciates that album
>>27456833
Its ok I lied about that part
cmon guys
One day i will finish, now i have to sleep because school+wageslaving soon
>>27457428
Mac Demarco and Shlohmo, not bad robot. Not bad at all.
>>27457245
Ss13 is the ultimate robot game t b h f a m
Rate and hate, senpai
>>27456492
>If you aren't Asian then
the hell?
>>27458152
I like the way Asians eye's look. They are dark and mysterious like a dark forest. I would like to keep it that way and respect out differences. Plus, an intelligent man would want his child to look like him.
>>27458196
>Dark forest
I meant misty forest.
>>27446925
Oh wow thanks.
I haven't listened to Blink-182 or Sum 41 in years. My brother loved them and so did I.
Though I only knew about Nieve fromAnonymous Agony streamsand then I woke up and realized i liked his music legit. Death Grips was less "lol ironic memecore" though, I put on Get Got and it was kickass.
