What are /r9k/'s thoughts on libertarianism? Is it a robot approved ideology?
>>27402453
No, I don't want to live like I'm in the Hunger Games.
>libertarianism
>posts authoritarian shill flag
>>27402453
No one should follow one single political ideology.
>high NEET population dependent on government handouts
>libertarian
NOPE
>>27402453
It has to be good, I mean it has the word "liberty" in it!
Seriously it's a shit pipedream for millionaires and wannabe millionaires
>the government sucks! They don't have our best interest at heart, they have too much power and they're greedy and can't be trusted!
>Yeah!
>Instead let's hand over all that power to private organisations! They always care about the well-being of the public and not putting profit before people!
>Yeah! That's a great ide-whait what?
I can't wait to have to pay "protection money" to 5 different private "security firms" who all claim to have jurisdiction over my neighborhood, like I'm living in feudal Japan or 1800s NYC.
>>27402635
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/07/9272989-firefighters-let-home-burn-over-75-fee-again
>this is the future for all crimes and emergencies
>>27402453
Is this really a commonly used permutation of the Gadsden flag? Where the fuck is the apostrophe?
It's a front for a variety of alternative political interests. From confederate revivalists to anarchists, corporate deregulation shills to crypto-conservatives. You can usually pick out someone's ulterior motives.
>>27403347
huh. That was actually EXACTLY what was happening in New York city in the 1800s. Instead of having just the one government-funded fire station for a neighborhood, you would have 6 or 7 private different ones.
If your house caught on fire, one fire-fighting company could claim that it was juuuuust outside of their area and charge an arm and a leg for working outside of their area, another could show up and claim that you skipped a payment and need to pay up front, another could show up and say that both of those other two fire-fighting companies are trespassing on its territory and start attacking them with their fire axes, by then the fire likely would have spread out to other buildings which involved even fore private fire-fighters, some of which often started the fires themselves, etc.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tina-dupuy/firefighting-in-the-1800s_b_247936.html
history repeating itself senpai
>NEETs believing in an ideology that doesn't believe in handouts and programs
>>27403654
dis rite hurr
>>27403663
hmmmm sounds like the free market is creating a demand for new housing
>>27402635
>I can't wait to have to pay "protection money" to 5 different private "security firms"
Saw a doco about this. Rich gated communities had private police that basically scooped up undesirables and dumped them outside town limits. Real cops were worried because this just moved the problem around, but out of sight out of mind right?
Literal economic cuckoldry.
Fuck that noise.
The ideology of the wagecuck who wants to chow down on the boss man's weiner even more than is mandatory.
>>27402453
>See that meme flag
>immediately think of that meme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KbR0jg48YI
88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88
14 14 14 14 14 14 14 14 14 14 14
JUDA VERRECKE
>>27402453
The ideal political ideology. The less government the better.
>>27404528
See >>27403654
You're an anarchist hiding behind a veneer of legitimacy.
>>27402500
Those dubs have truth
I am. Im very "every man for himself" even tho its a disadvantage for me.
>I don't live in society so don't have rules
>let gays fuck
Downsides
>cut neetbux
No
>>27404571
>>27402500
I also support the dubs of truth.
I don't trust anyone who's a cartoon caricature stereotype of a liberal or conservative or libertarian or anarchist or moderate. They bought into their own lies.
>>27404792
>>27404571
>>27402500
This is beyond retarded. You have a set of beliefs about the world, that's your ideology. How do you follow multiple of those?
>>27402635
Who says that all functions of government should be privatized?
>mom found the smegma jar
>>27402453
I used to be really far right on economics, and still am, but at this point I don't really care about all that as much and just want freedom. There's so many stupid fucking laws that have no business in the land of the free.From not being able to do drugs, to laws prohibiting faggots from getting married, to hardcore gun control, to not being able to buy liquor on Sunday. Basically I'm big on personal freedom, and voting libertarian is the best way to achieve my goals right now, because neither of the big two seem to give a fuck about any of that..
>>27405196
True. I think republicans and democrats are the two extremes. Why no middleground like libertarianism
>>27405196
That's about where I'm at.
Except I don't know how to handle drugs. I don't give a shit if any adult smokes marijuana. But how do you handle everything worse? As soon as someone turns 18, should they be able to drink as much alcohol or shoot up as much heroin until they die? I don't think it's right to let someone get their kids hooked on drugs. I don't want to legislate parenting, but there should be laws against child abuse. How do we determine what's acceptable and not acceptable? You might not even think we should, but it's something I think about sometimes.
>>27405081
Thanks for ignoring my post while also still replying to it.
>I don't trust anyone who's a cartoon caricature stereotype of a liberal or conservative or libertarian or anarchist or moderate. They bought into their own lies.
Anyone who's 100% any one of those things is just too caught up in the meme of their own political identity to actually see the world objectively.
Also privatizing any functions of the government is generally just a terrible idea that's quite good for some wealthy elite that isn't you or me.
>>27405348
It seems to work in the netherlands, why not here?
I think its the same as guns, the people that are going to abuse it will get it anyway, wether its legal or not.
>>27405348
>As soon as someone turns 18, should they be able to drink as much alcohol or shoot up as much heroin until they die?
If they want, sure.
>I don't think it's right to let someone get their kids hooked on drugs. I don't want to legislate parenting, but there should be laws against child abuse. How do we determine what's acceptable and not acceptable? You might not even think we should, but it's something I think about sometimes.
I don't know, I haven't really thought about that. There's probably a line where giving your kids certain drugs is fucked up, I'm not really sure where it is though.
>>27405410
How do you determine if someone is 70% an ideology or 93.7% an ideology? There's no set of baseline views that everyone could be compared too, and ideologies aren't polar opposites. Everyone has a set of beliefs. What makes one more ideological?
>>27405348
>But how do you handle everything worse?
Alcohol and tobacco are two of the worst drugs ever, both in terms of addiction and damage to your health.
and yet society hasn't crumbled with them being legal to adults and controlled.
>>27405278
>>27405196
because libertarianism isn't a middle ground, it's extreme-right as far as the economic spectrum goes.
Something like democractic socialism also offers all of the free-drugs and gay-sex, but they're opposite to libertarians on the economic spectrum.
>right libertarianism
>>27405490
>What makes one more ideological?
Calling yourself a liberal/conservative/Republican/Democrat/libertarian/Libertarian/socialist/anarchist is usually the first major red flag.
When was he last time anyone from any one of those ideologies looked at the opposite of their ideology and went "huh, well you know what... that could ALSO work!".
Never.
>>27405502
Socialism doesn't usually let people have drugs. The argument is usually "We all pay for healthcare, and ruining your body is making it more expensive for all of us.".
>>27405458
>I'm not really sure where it is though.
Neither do I. I think there'd still have to be a list of controlled substances that you couldn't use till the age of majority. But how you delineate which set of chemicals are OK seems messy and unprincipled
>>27405570
I have. I can see how socialism can work if done right. I just don't like it.
>>27405571
>drugs ruin the body
lol no
>>27405570
You just don't fucking get it. People believe things. People's beliefs can be grouped only loosely into categories like you named. You're saying that realizing you have beliefs is a red flag?
And like I said earlier, there's not a defined perfect polar opposite to everyone's thinking. Is your point that people who have an ideology don't think the opposite of everything they believe in will work? Cause you got me there
>>27405638
Dont even start this shit again
Dont ever talk to me or my wifes son ever again idiot
>>27405583
The ones that affect your health negatively in a big way later in life would be on the list. But alcohol can do that and my dad gave me some when I was a kid. There wasn't anything wrong with that imo.
>>27405608
>I just don't like it.
Muh fee fees
>>27405638
Meth can, krocodil can, heroin can, tobacco can give you cancer, alcohol can fuck up your liver. Just sayin man.
Right Libertarianism can't be robot approved because it leaves behind the oppressive systems of capitalism and private property.
>>27405719
>tobacco can give you cancer, alcohol can fuck up your liver.
and yet they're not banned
>>27405687
>how to trivialize what someone says with one easy word
![Effects-of-Drug-Abuse-6[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Uhodw8V.jpg "Effects-of-Drug-Abuse-6[1].jpg")
>>27405638
>We like in a magical world where what we put in our bodies doesn't matter
OK
>>27405677
I've had the same experience growing up. If I were a cop, I would never ever think to stop a man from getting his son a beer at a ballgame or something. I just don't see any standard on which to base a law. Nothing should operate on my gut sense of morality
>>27405762
I'm not saying we should ban them. I'm saying that that's the argument socialists use, and it's retarded.
Who /classicalliberal/ here?
>>27405571
>>27405348
Portugal has had universal health care for nearly 40 years and decriminalized all drugs 10 years ago.
>>27405638
You want me to dump pics of krokodil eating away flesh to the bone again?
>>27405946
The decriminalization of drugs is different than their legalization.
>>27405853
In the sense that I'm fundamentally distrustful of institutions? Not entirely. Used to be, but while I'm inherently skeptical of institutions I'm aware that they have led to a great deal of global progress.
>>27406038
well in that case Uruguay was the first country to fully legalize marijuana, and they have one of the best healthcare systems in the world.
Only works with a frontier.
No frontier = unaccountable oligarchical tyranny
Frontier = "Fuck your minimum wage cuz me n' Lenny gonna go homestead some lan' and raise rabbits n corn"
>>27405668
Most people aren't loosely grouped into those categories and ideologies, most people ARE those ideologies. The gun-loving foreigner-hating conservative, the gun-hating foreigner-loving liberal, etc.
If what you said was true and most people only sort of believed a little bit of this and a little bit of that, there wouldn't be such a huge divide and even a need for bipolar political parties.
>>27406602
>Only works with a frontier.
so... we need to go lebansraum on mexico and cucknada?
>>27402635
>he doesn't want to be a console cowboy
>he doesn't want to live a fast life of popping meth, jacking into decks, cutting ICE, and fencing kilobytes of hot decrypted Mitsubishi RAM to the highest bidder and then die young and beautiful on the streets
>>27402453
no neetbux, not worth it
Soon her eye fell on a little glass box that was lying under the table: she opened it, and found in it a very small cake, on which the words `EAT ME' were beautifully marked in currants. `Well, I'll eat it,' said Alice, `and if it makes me grow larger, I can reach the key; and if it makes me grow smaller, I can creep under the door; so either way I'll get into the garden, and I don't care which happens!'
>>27402453
They're all closet anarchists and should go live in Somalia where they belong
>>27405570
>implying that liberals can never admit that regulations go too far
>implying conservatives can never admit that some things should be regulated
I'm sorry we live in a gray world when all you can understand is black and white.
>>27407785
That then makes them moderates senpai, and some issues are written in stone when it comes to them, otherwise they wouldn't bother with having an ideology to share with other people who agree with them
>>27407968
ideologues can find common ground senpai, like Bernie Sanders and John McCain working for VA reform or Obama and the Republicans on free trade
>>27402453
It's a useful idiot and good-goy ideology.
It promotes degenerate ultra-capitalism and seeks to remove all moral and ethical restrictions from society and allow the rich to exploit the underclasses with impunity.
It is and was Jewish lead almost from the beginning. It's an acidic political tool used by the Jews and rich to dissolve the moral and ethical structure of nation-states to make them easier to incorporate into their predatory banking scheme.
It's like a pussified version of anarchy that doesn't threaten the holdings of the rich and infact empowers them. No-one says that a person can't buy a private army and enforce their will on the populace and enslave them. The non-aggression principle is un-enforcable.
What's with all the libertarian/bernie sanders/trump posts here lately? Is pol leaking?
I use to believe I was libertarian. It's wrong. I only leaned that way because I believe in enforcing the existing rules with as much force as necessary to gain compliance.
This was wrong because if you think the rules are bullshit and there should be less of them with better enforcement of the ones that do exist doesn't mean you want more liberty. It means you're a regular fucking schmuck just like everyone else.
>>27402453
Our forefathers are disgusted with the way America is now, and it will never be as great as it once was.
I have no idea what it is.
>>27405537
Hello, comrade. We shouldn't even call it libertarianism. In the context of political philosophy, and still in many parts of the world today, the term libertarian is another way to refer to anarchists. It's been co-opted by the right, similarly to anarchism.
