/pol/ack here. why is this board so fucking autistic? every fucked up thing on 4chan comes from r9k. why?
>pic unrelated
seriously? is this a rhetoric question? fuck off back to your shitty board
cuz da j00s
now fuck off back to your containment board and leave us to ours
>>27381594
who the hell is she and why is she so popular?
for that matter who is >>27381644 and why is he such an insufferable liberal?
/r9k/ is a left-wing board, take your false consciousness and leave
>>27381594
Face is meh but the body is got damn
/r9k/ is a voice of reason in a sea of idiots.
>>27381716
>/r9k/ is a left-wing board,
Why? What do you gain? Would you be happy if everyone else was as miserable as you are oh wait that's exactly what you're going for. Very well. #FeelLeBern
>>27381678
>implying I'm american
lol go try insulting someone else with your puny arguments
*tips out*
>>27381716
The left-right dichotomy is a spook.
are you being ironic, there are more /pol/faggots on this board than any other. your shit board is just as autistic as this one if not more.
>>27381796
Right wing values tell you to change yourself to fit society, left-wing values tell you to change society to fit with your desires. I want to live in communism and eat free ice cream everyday, I don't want to work more than work actually needs to be done. If you believe in the bootstraps meme or any meme of private property or social darwinism you are a normie at heart, if you believe this and you are a robot you suffer from cognitive dissonance. We want to build a society where all our desires are met.
>>27381891
Normies feel le bern because it makes them feel special and because their totally-not-soros-funded community leaders told them to. But have fun craving ice cream you cannot buy because the ogliarchs declared it a blight on productivity.
>>27381945
Bernie Sanders isn't a socialist, let alone a communist. Anarchist-communism is the only way that we can get free ice cream.
>>27381980
But what if the ice cream factory guy decides to close up shop because he isn't getting any money? Do you know how to run an ice cream business? Can you even make ice cream yourself?
Poor form op
>>27382027
Socialism means the factory will be run by the workers. There won't be any money, only ice cream. I can't make ice cream, but in the matter of boots I refer to the authority of the bootmaker.
>>27382056
Yeah but the bootmaker isn't getting any money and doesn't want to make boots anymore. Now what? Do you like walking barefoot in the snow?
>>27382089
No, because he makes the boots he's entitled to everything else for free. That's a better reward than money, he gets unlimited free ice cream too as long as he does his part to make all the boots that are needed. I don't want to live in a society where instead of bootmakers and ice cream makers we have moneymakers. Economics will only be a science when it's focused on things that are scientifically measurable, like human needs and wants and the methods of meeting them. When I have boots that were made for the purpose of making boots, I have boots of a much greater quality and a much greater use.
>>27381891
>I don't want to work more than work actually needs to be done.
By trying to revolutionize society you ARE working more than necessary. All you are doing is substituting one set of masters for another. Exploit the system that stands and leave others to clean up your mess.
>>27381594
>every fucked up thing comes from /r9k/
>says /pol/
>>27382163
Yeah but who is going to make sure the bootmaker gets his free ice cream? Will there be a huge communal potluck party? What if someone doesn't show?
>>27382192
>Working 4 hours a day is less work than working 7
I'm also willing to do the work that a genuine revolution takes because that's not even really work, it's adventure and because everybody born after me will get to enjoy the gains made by the revolution.
>>27382223
He goes down to the icecream store and gets ice cream. Rationing is only necessary when resources are scarce, and then it's more efficient when it's done by decentralised syndicates or associations.
>>27382263
>decentralised syndicates or associations
You mean businesses.
>>27382290
No, because they're run by the workers and decisions are made through a series of assemblies and delegations.
>>27381716
except it's not, most people here who vote are voting for trump
left-wingers, commietards and all you idiots get BTFO in any thread you shit up
then you fucktards plug your ears, ignore the overwhelming evidence that your ideology is garbage and that you are the cancer eating away at society, and go on to claim '/r9k/ is a left-wing board'
protip: communism means EVERYONE works, there is no room for NEETs to shit up society and drain resources. You would all be put to work in a society that won't exist after capital accrued before the revolution runs out
>>27382306
>assemblies and delegations
You mean shareholders and boards of directors.
>>27382318
Why you projecting hard so much faggot. I know Conservatives in real life who would be disgusted at what sense of right winged 4chan is.
>>27382318
The essence of /r9k/ is left-wing, rightists are the cancer. Most people on this board also use reddit. You certainly don't eliminate work by increasing the amount of work the average person has to do. In communism for some time everybody will have to work, but work that's necessary is fine. Do you complain about having to wash the dishes?
>>27382344
I suppose it could be seen like that, but no money is being made and nobody is being robbed of their labour so it's better to use more accurate terms.
>>27382263
He walks into the ice cream store and asks for ice cream. The workers, who own the ice cream store but also don't own it because ownership is evil, give him a standardized portion, or however much he wants because we're not communists. With his ice cream in his hand, he walks on down to the supermarket, walks because none of the workers knew how to properly run an automobile manufacturing plant and they didn't have any money to give to the import people. When he gets there he finds that the food truck person was home with the flu and won't be back for a month because there is no fear of lost jobs since there are no jobs. Since then the supermarket has been left unstocked and home to a bunch of squatters who didn't have any skills to offer and have been shunned from society. The squatters, thousands in number, see the ice cream in his hand and become hungry. Now what?
>>27382378
Indeed. The term you're looking for is 'fairyland'.
>>27382426
That's a fantasy scenario anon. Like a said, things aren't rationed unless there's a shortage. Nobody shoud drive cars because a million people die in car crashes each year and cars ruined infrastructure. There also wouldn't be supermarkets. If somebody is sick then somebody else will do that job because that work has been deemed to be necessary. There won't be people who don't work because the people who do work will kick them out.
>>27382363
Except you forget a huge majority of this board wants to do nothing but sit in their room and shitpost on an anonymous claymation forum.
Communism is a failed ideology that leaves no room for personal, economic, or social improvement for the average man.
>>27382378
No one does something for the greater good of society. At the core of every action, there is some personal gain involved. People won't just make executive decisions for the good of all the people without lining their pockets. This concept has been proven for fucking thousands of years, for the entire history of mankind this has happened and will continue to happen. The reason communism is inherently flawed is because it doesn't take into account human nature, such as that and many other simple concepts.
>>27382450
Agreed. Anyone who legit believes in communism is a fucking edgy teenager who doesn't know jack shit about history, politics, or philosophy. There's a reason it's failed every time it's been tried
>next they'll say 'my specific perfectly infallible brand of communism hasn't been tried!'
>>27382450
But there are multiple examples of this actually happening, and even if there wasn't it would still be morally better and ideal.
>>27382500
>That's a fantasy scenario anon.
>>27382516
>Except you forget a huge majority of this board wants to do nothing but sit in their room and shitpost on an anonymous claymation forum.
>Communism is a failed ideology that leaves no room for personal, economic, or social improvement for the average man.
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>No one does something for the greater good of society. At the core of every action, there is some personal gain involved. People won't just make executive decisions for the good of all the people without lining their pockets. This concept has been proven for fucking thousands of years, for the entire history of mankind this has happened and will continue to happen. The reason communism is inherently flawed is because it doesn't take into account human nature, such as that and many other simple concepts.
People work to have a better life, it's the same in communism. During the anarchist revolution is Spain much more people worked and production massively increased.
>Agreed. Anyone who legit believes in communism is a fucking edgy teenager who doesn't know jack shit about history, politics, or philosophy. There's a reason it's failed every time it's been tried
>>27382519
>>27382500
are you mentally fucking retarded?
>there won't be people who don't work because I said so
>if someone is sick, another person will magically blink into existence so that no one has to quit doing their pre-assigned mandatory job
>>27382526
but it is
>lets keep most of the things we're going to abolish
>communism can't work in this framework of baseless assumptions therefore it doesn't work
>>27382378
>but no money is being made
What happens when goods are traded in advance of manufacture or it infeasible to carry them or when 'syndicates' don't want what you're peddling? I guess you would need some sort of document to represent the value of goods. Wouldn't it be grand if there were ready-made, pre-approved documents representing values or goods.
>and nobody is being robbed of their labour
I suppose but they aren't compensated for it either. Why would I a trained blacksmith remain in the heat infront of the furnace when I could be a a fisherman and chill on the river all day? What happens if no one wants to be a blacksmith?
>>27381594
Correction: "Every fucked up thing on 4chan comes TO r9k
>>27382571
>People work to have a better life, it's the same in communism.
except in communism you are assigned a job and have to stick with it. There is no room for improvement, you are stuck with the same job until the day you die. People will also be total shit at their job, because they'll get 'paid' regardless of whether they put in effort or not.
>>27382573
But there won't be people who won't work, if they can't be tolerated by most people they'll be thrown out and told to go start their own commune where people who accept that can live.
>>if someone is sick, another person will magically blink into existence so that no one has to quit doing their pre-assigned mandatory job
how is that any different from the attitude towards that now? The whole point is that the only labour we need to do is necessary. Nobody wants to work for another person when they're sick, but if everybody can take sick days of it's fair.
Who am I kidding I bet half these Bernie supporters don't even know what belongs in a medicine cabinet.
>>27382598
>Why would I a trained blacksmith remain in the heat infront of the furnace when I could be a a fisherman and chill on the river all day? What happens if no one wants to be a blacksmith?
then you're forced to be a fucking blacksmith with no upward mobility.
Commietards don't understand this shit. If you somehow weren't forced by the government to do your assigned job, then everyone would just do nothing. Thus leads to the downfall of society, where any capital leftover from before the revolution is spent trying to uphold a failed ideology.
>What happens when goods are traded in advance of manufacture
impossible
>when 'syndicates' don't want what you're peddling? I guess you would need some sort of document to represent the value of goods. Wouldn't it be grand if there were ready-made, pre-approved documents representing values or goods.
All production will be done by the federated syndicates so that nothing produced won't be useful
>I suppose but they aren't compensated for it either.
They are entitled to literally everything they want as long as enough is being produced.
>Why would I a trained blacksmith remain in the heat infront of the furnace when I could be a a fisherman and chill on the river all day? What happens if no one wants to be a blacksmith?
We develop machines and new methods of doing things. This is why bourgeois economics is pseudoscientific. It puts production before consumption and then just spouts that nothing should be changed because it's not possible if we keep things the same.
>>27382630
>if they can't be tolerated by most people they'll be thrown out and told to go start their own commune where people who accept that can live.
oh my fucking god do you eat paint chips for fun?
How will they be fucking 'thrown out' if they're part of the common man who owns everything?
'hurr we dont like you, even though this entire society is supposedly in the hands of everyone we're kicking you out'
>>27382615
>I don't know what communism even is but I know what my American school taught me about the 20th century "communist states"
>>27382703
It's in the hands of THE WORKERS. If you don't work and people don't want to accept that then fuck you.
>>27382683
>>27382598
forgot to link lmao
>>27382708
I'm not American
>>27382683
>All production will be done by the federated syndicates so that nothing produced won't be useful
those 'syndicates' will fill their pockets with shit while they lord over everyone else. This is what happened with every single communist society in history. It's human fucking nature.
>It puts production before consumption
this is how you do it, because otherwise, you wait 2 fucking years for a car just like it was in the soviet union.
production ALWAYS needs to beat consumption, because they will NEVER match, and if it doesn't, then shortages happen, which leads to heavy rationing in a society where people already give the bare minimum effort
>>27382363
>most people on this board use reddit
>>27382729
No, like that other anon somehow implied but didn't realize himself, it's in the hands of the 'syndicate'. AKA Stalin and friends, Mao and friends, Castro and friends, or whoever the fuck else gains power given to them by the people to oversee the management of society.
>>27382821
>I'm not American
what is american imperialism
>those 'syndicates' will fill their pockets with shit while they lord over everyone else. This is what happened with every single communist society in history. It's human fucking nature.
They can't do that when they represent all the workers.
>this is how you do it, because otherwise, you wait 2 fucking years for a car just like it was in the soviet union.
>production ALWAYS needs to beat consumption, because they will NEVER match, and if it doesn't, then shortages happen, which leads to heavy rationing in a society where people already give the bare minimum effort
The USSR did what caoitalist countries do because it was state-capitalist. It made production the focus instead of consumption and it didn't calculate scientifically the actual work that would be needed to meet people's demands because it didn't care about people's demands. The USSR was just a big corporation and it even had the same colour-scheme as Mcdonald's
>>27382878
>They can't do that when they represent all the workers.
Who's going to stop them? The government?
Communism isn't going to work in the US dude, give it up.
Take your shitty ideology to /leftypol/ and stay there
>>27382912
the delegates are instantly recallable by the smaller council that they represent
>>27382938
What if they don't want to leave?
>>27382878
>what is american imperialism
what the fuck are you even on about?
>They can't do that when they represent all the workers.
just try and stop them dipshit, they make all the decisions because your stupid ass gave them control of society. Any dissenters will be dragged to a work camp and never heard from again.
>it didn't calculate scientifically the actual work that would be needed to meet people's demands
did you ever consider that this is actually fucking impossible, because demand fluctuates daily?
are you pretending to be stupid or serious?
>>27382960
>>27382965
>just try and stop them dipshit, they make all the decisions because your stupid ass gave them control of society. Any dissenters will be dragged to a work camp and never heard from again.
They literally only get their power from the councils that send them to represent them
>did you ever consider that this is actually fucking impossible, because demand fluctuates daily?
>are you pretending to be stupid or serious?
I mean demands as in needs, and wants when enough is produced. We can study scientifically people's needs more than we can study production for no reason.
>>27382683
It's hard to believe that these conglomerates whoops I mean syndicates can predict the demand for goods especially when they aren't allowed to make trade-deals before manufacturing. I suppose the federation of syndicates*cough*GOVERNMENT*cough*could put aside a certain number of each item for every person. It seems like a fine solution until someone decides to change jobs. What happens when the inventor of utopian machines dies or retires? Who will replace the smiths who all went fishing? More importantly, what are we going to do with all this fish?! It's stinking up the glorious workers' relief area.
>>27383046
You're not understanding this, the syndicates represent the workers. They have no constituted authority beyond that.
>>27383071
So basically a parliament?
>>27383131
No because a parliament runs on majority rule and elects people with constituted authority. Syndicates are direct and run on consensus whenever possible.
>>27383162
>majority rule and consensus are two different things
>>27383181
They are because majority rule by principle is coercion. With a consensus there's an actual dialectic.
>>27381716
No, r9k is for those disillusioned with women, people who have failed and people are outcasts from society, mostly white men. Modern leftism says you have white privilege, you're misogynistic and you don't know what its like to be poor. Leftism is the popular politically ideology, the ideology people adopt because its socially acceptable, the normie political ideology, if you're leftist you aren't a robot. Fuck off scum
>>27381832
How does liberal imply you're American? You're retarded
>>27383071
>They have no constituted authority beyond that.
so they have no power beyond the ability to handle executive level decisions for the people? You know, I'm pretty sure there's a word for this kind of thing
Oh right, it's dictator.
inb4 'we'll just impeach them'
good luck impeaching them when the secret police starts shooting protestors
enjoy your red terror fucknugget
>>27383199
So senate committees?
>>27383245
Right-wingers would never use a term like sexual poverty, but we find this term for what robots suffer from in leftist books and pamphlets. Rightist politicals is literally "just be yourself".
I love these kind of dumb leftist utopian fantasies. They always end up in some communist hell or basically recreate the United States government.
>>27383280
But they don't handle executive level decisions that's my whole point. There's also literally nothing wrong with terror if they deserve it.
>So senate committees?
No because they don't make any different decisons from the council that sent them
>>27383315
>>27383283
fforgot to link again
>>27383312
thanks for the input I appreciate you sharing your opinion
>>27383315
>No because they don't make any different decisons from the council that sent them
says who?
they can make whatever fucking decision they want, and they're backed by the police they control.
You realize these exact scenarios have been done in social experiments for fucking years, right? it never works out. Entire countries tried communism, and they all bit the fucking dust for the million reasons it doesn't work
Im not reading the thread I'm just gonna post redheads
THIS JUST IN ON PRAVDA
>CEO Schlomo Shekelkov was fired from the board of the Bootmakers' Syndicate after suggesting that productivity would improve if workers didn't have to vote every 6 minutes and the executive should actually make decisions based on their expertise
>One totally fairly elected and not corrupt director, Victor Chadikov, called comrade Schlomo's ideas 'too bourgeoisie'
>One worker commented that productivity was a fantasy spread by the White Guard to destabilize the syndicate.
>>27383389
Says the council, there aren't any police, there's just a militia or insurgent army that's accountable to the councils and run in that way itself.
>You realize these exact scenarios have been done in social experiments for fucking years, right? it never works out. Entire countries tried communism, and they all bit the fucking dust for the million reasons it doesn't work
No, they haven't. The USSR and other countries always crushed them in favour of centralistaion. See: Ukraine, Spain, Hungary etc
>please touch me anon
30% of the users of /r9k/ are spree killers in potential, the rest is just the rest of the pariahs who someday will be fucked up enough to begin part of the 30%. We are the same, but on different stages of rage, hate and ressentiment.
>>27383432
it's bourgeois, not bourgeoisie, bourgeoisie refers to the whole bourgeoisie
>>27381716
/r9k/ economically liberal. Everything else on here screams far right
>>27383455
>implying comrade Chadikov learned that after his teacher went fishing and they couldn't find another one
>Anon kept talking about something called "pol" idk what it was tho.
>>27383434
>The USSR and other countries always crushed them in favour of centralistaion.
It started out like you're describing though. They always shifted to that because your ideals are a bureacratic fucking nightmare, and are horribly fucking inefficient.
oh yeah, forgot to mention this in an earlier post
>>27383315
>There's also literally nothing wrong with terror if they deserve it.
congrats on being a dipshit. Who decides who 'deserves it'? It'll start out as the refuse of society, but it will eventually become 'anyone who disagrees with me' as it always did.
>>27383490
Can't complain that there wouldn't be enough food when everybody's fishing
>omg anon are you my brother?
>anon why do you have to tease me?
>this sure is a lot of food!
>>27383501
Do you know anything about Leninism? It has nothing of the sort, Lenin called that kind of thing an "infantile disorder".
Counterrevolutionaries deserve it. It won't be "anone who disagrees with me" because of the council system, but counterrevolutionaries can get fucked. This includes Leninists and authoritarians.
>>27383540
>not
>when you said you were going to cook this wasn't what I had in mind
>anon will you take me home with you?
>Give me your soul anon
>>27383582
>soul
>anon
Nice joke.
>I love you so so much bby
>>27381594
>VIA 9GAG
GET OUT OF HERE
>>27383558
>It won't be "anone who disagrees with me" because of the council system, but counterrevolutionaries can get fucked. This includes Leninists and authoritarians.
>it won't be 'anyone who disagrees with me', just the people who disagree with me
Any system can work if the majority of people play along. Corruption is what kills the system, because greed takes over duty.
>I took off my top hehe
>This is what you wanted right?
>>27383630
Yes, people who want to enslave and kill others shouldn't be allowed to do so.
>>27383650
>Fruit LOL
>>27383452
>18
>already in the 30%
>>27383506
Is great tragedy comrade. Fish rot in street because no money to buy extra salt needed from abroad. We try to stop them from fishing but Fishermen's Syndicate too strong. They threatening secession from federation.
>>27383740
>implying you need to buy salt from other countries after there has been a global revolution
>Lensflare is funny haha
>Can we make a baby together?
