Most people don't have souls.
This is a condition called being a "philosophical zombie".They are indistinguishable from a normal human being except in that they lack consciousness.They don't know they are zombies and will behave as a normal person.
They can be anyone. Anywhere.
But they're just animated flesh.
When they die,it all just fades into black.The very few who are sentiently percieval are souls with human bodies as hosts.
These are truly alive but encapsulated in their host bodies.
They are the ones who can and will experience theafterlife.
You can't tell which one you are untilyou die.
It's a dark world out there.Trust no one.
Souls don't exist and neither does the afterlife
>>27357762
What hurts when you feel alone then?
You can tell who isn't one because they usually feel uncomfortable in a world that feels foreign to them
Everyone else acts like what goes on around here is totally normal and not strange at all
>>27357289
I will pierce the void of this world and give the soul back to this land.
I'm one of them. Feels indifferent man.
>>27357289
are you the guy who made a thread a few days ago claiming to know a certain ''type'' of personality and the reason why some of us are robots?
>>27358090
and refering to wizardchan
>>27357861
my pride
protip: there is no practical reason for any organism to have consciousness and theres no proof that anyone has consciousness but you.
>>27358023
>not getting the soul the fuck out of here
Are you some kind of super-masochist?
We gotta move on, man
>>27357289
its a thought experiment not a real condition
you are fucking retarded OP
>>27358314
There's no turning back from fear. We have to fight with all the mean necessary. After been through alot we can't lose this war. We have to free ourselve from suffering by creating or becoming the meaning of life altogether. I'm counting on you Robots
>>27358408
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
seriously didnt you even bother to read the wikipedia article
REEEEEEEEE
>>27357861
So brain chemistry is considered a soul?
>>27358431
Doesn't that involve taking the soul out of the land moreso than bringing it to the land?
Maybe I'm thinking about it differently than you
>>27358449
Does your brain hurt or your chest?
>>27358449
The effect that brain chemistry has is experienced by the soul, supposedly. Brain chemistry is just the language imposed upon the soul.
Yes, even with a soul it is still all arbitrary and mechanical which is why it is maddening.
>>27358482
*tips original comment*
>99.9% people I've ever seen are just physicalist walking lumps of cells
>only 00.1% are actual humans with minds and souls
>i can't tell which one of them i am
>tfw i'm the only conscious being with a true soul
>the rest of you are lying, soulless devils trying to lead me astray from the path of righteousness
>it's working
>>27358506
was meant for>>27358449
iuygierygucheurf
>>27358525
Fuck off, stop parroting my thoughts, meatpuppet
>>27358539
Depart demon, i'm not falling for any of your ruses today
>>27358516
the fact that you're thinking this proves you that you are not a philosophical zombie
you CAN tell
jesus fucking christ you retards
is this how philosophy majors feel all the time
>>27357289
>I can't prove conciousness in others
>obviously they're all soul-less zombies
>I can't prove souls exist
>seemsfine, I know that I have one
If you make undisprovable claims, you're not going to make any intellectual gains
>>27358565
I can't wait to leave your meta-ironic shit reality behind, deceiver
>>27358585
Just because you think, it doesn't mean you're consient. You may be an Aspie, an autist, a genius in maths, science, art, literature, poetry, anything, you might be Jesus, you may question every single aspect of your life, and you can still be just a zombie.
Meanwhile, the coalworker who lives a simple life in some small town in Yorkshire and does not question anything at all could well be the host of a soul.
There are no symptoms and there's no way to tell until you die.
If you're a p-zombie, you'll die a physical death - everything fades into black, you don't think or feel anything. Gone forever.
If you're a sou, you end up God knows where.
You know whats more terrifying?
Everyone having a soul to be judged, because that means I'm a likely candidate for hell. I look like shit compared to other people.
>>27358668
prove it bitch
where did this idea come from?
>>27358677
But what are they really judging? Your soul or the actions that your brain, genetics, and circumstances cause you to take? Guess it depends on free will but it seems kind of like a ruse to me. Like a deliberate setup to make someone feel guilty. You're being framed.
>>27358598
Not an argument.
This is an argument:
According to physicalism, all that exists in our world (including consciousness) is physical.
Thus, if physicalism is true, a metaphysically possible world in which all physical facts are the same as those of the actual world must contain everything that exists in our actual world. In particular, conscious experience must exist in such a possible world.
In fact we can conceive of a world physically indistinguishable from our world but in which there is no consciousness (a zombie world). From this (so Chalmers argues) it follows that such a world is metaphysically possible.
Therefore, physicalism is false. (The conclusion follows from 2. and 3. by modus tollens.
How do you like it?
>>27358585
How do you tell the difference between one who is empty and one who is empty but acting like they aren't because they are conditioned to act like they aren't such as the one you are bitching about. Otherwise, we reach a scenario in the long term where all the zombies can imitate not being zombies and your logic requires you to accept them thus ultimately making your original statements pointless and a waste of time.
Philosophy majors feel like they are more intelligent than everyone because they literally have no metric for intelligence in philosophy other than "you don't know nuffin."
philosophical zombies wouldn't understand you or be able to respond correctly when pry them about consciousness. Everyone is consciousness the op is just schizophrenic and thinks he's some sort of God.
>>27358697
never thought of it like that desu, thanks for the perspective
>>27358668
that's not how it works
the difference between a human and a philosophical zombie is not a "soul" it's the fact that the human is conscious and the zombie is not
it's literally the opposite of what you said
why dont you stop pulling this shit out of your ass
FUCK I'm done with this thread
>>27358724
that's the point
you cant tell the difference if the zombie is someone else but you CAN tell if YOU are not a zombie
ok now I'm done for real
>>27358694
Read >>27358711
Also, look up anything on M theory, string theory, Evola or even Schrodinger's cat.
The Membranes theory is particulary effective at giving us a taste of how the metaphysical world (the space between the spaces, the absolute nothing, more nothing than vacuum, because vacuum implies the existance of time and space, the so called "membranes" do not involve themselves with such matters).
>>27358724
There have been a lot of studies on this ever since the late 90s though.
>>27357289
what's with the autism spoilers ?
>>27358711
>In fact we can conceive of a world physically indistinguishable from our world but in which there is no consciousness
I would argue that this is not possible unless you lack any sort of semantic rigor regarding "consciousness". Also the segment of metaphysical "existence" disproving materialism seems suspect at best.
>>27358798
Damn that's some tasty bait. Could you find any more ways to say string theory lul
>>27358482
>>27358484
>>27358532
Care to give me a source on the scientific discovery of human souls
>>27357289
did you go to the zombie symposium OP?
>>27358789
>you cant tell the difference if the zombie is someone else but you CAN tell if YOU are not a zombie
except you can't, because you have no reference point for the other side. You could go your entire life questioning this but there is no metric you've made to separate the 2 besides 'you'll know if you are one'
that's like saying I know what it's like to be a grill. I don't, because I have no reference for it and have never been female in my entire existence.
>>27358895
Then how would you know that girls or zombies even exist. Would it be safe to say that they are just as fantastic as unicorns or flying spaghetti monsters?
>>27357762
>Souls don't exist and neither does the afterlife
blox
>>27358993
which afterlife exists then?
>>27358925
If unicorns and flying spaghetti monsters looked like me, walked and talked like me, and by all outward appearances were as I am then sure they can be fucking real.
I know women exist because they have vaginas and breasts, which males do not. These are defining characteristics. What OP suggested was that a separate class of people exist, wherein they move, speak, respond to stimuli and all other signs of consciousness in a manner similar to what I'd do(assuming I'm not a zombie), but they are somehow different and lack a consciousness.
There's no way to tell besides 'hurr youll know if you arent one'
>>27359051
Nuh-uh these are magical shapeshifting unicorns with vaginas and breasts
Seriously though, there is no reason to believe that you or anyone else is distinct in having a soul. You can't test it, you can hardly define it, and furthermore there is no reason for believing in any such thing. You might as well believe in invisible butt pirates who will rape you if you keep the toilet seat up (or will rape the zombies, I don't fucking know)
This just sounds like another way people try to assert themselves as a special snowflake. I thought the joke behind the special snowflake was that every snowflake was special, therefore no snowflake was special since all of them have a unique pattern on them. My point is, everyone around you thinks, feels, and has at some point probably had an existential crisis. Thinking these thoughts does not make you special. I'm not saying this to be cruel but the sort of thought OP put into his/her post is very juvenile. There's a lot of beauty in life and people like them are trying to turn others' heads away from it.
>>27359125
who the hell wants to be a special snowflake?
The only thing that this would imply in this case is that you are pretty much alone in this world
>>27359175
It also implies that you will have an afterlife, and it devalues everyone who's not like you. it does all this without giving any substantiating evidence or reasoning beyond emotional grasping.
Basically this sounds like religion
you better watch out, soulcucks
us zombies are coming to take your souls!
OOOooooOOOOooo!
Well, you just reached albedo. Now go on.
>>27359048
Care to back your stance with evidence?
If not then piss off, shitlord
>>27358668
I think, therefore I am
totally original, desu
OP isa faggotvery original btw senpai
