Why don't you find a sexual surrogate in your area and book sessions with her, so she can teach you how to have sex?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_surrogate
They can teach you how to do it, help you lower your level of fear/disgust/anger and other problems that inhibit your sexual satisfaction, and can make you feel happy and safe. That's what they're there for.
There are literally women who have made CAREERS out of helping robots and you guys don't even know about them until now.
Pic sort of related but mostly just an attention-getter.
Bump
You guys who have insurance, you realize it might even pay for it right?
You might literally get to have a woman hold you and tell you it's okay and have sex with you and maybe even dab up your tears with a handkerchief if that becomes necessary, should you find yourself overwhelmed.
There is no reason to be afraid of sex and if you're so unhappy about having never had it, kind, soft women are out there willing to help you.
And it might not even cost you anything out of pocket. Even if it does cost you, it'd probably be worth it.
>>27278672
I don't have insurance but I'm guessing it costs 1000 an hour at least, seeing as you can get a hooker to be relatively nice and patient for 300.
>call it therapy
>possibly covered by my insurance
>I get laid
Ok where do I sign up
>>27278732
Use a search engine to look up sexual surrogates in your area.
>>27278625
How is this different from prostitution (not that there is anything wrong with it)? The whole idea about "sexual education" sounds like some classic 70s garbage.
>>27278780
It's different because (at least in theory) the women who do this make a point of being educational, kind, and supportive of their clients.
Some of them have training in sexology and other related fields, too.
>The whole idea about "sexual education" sounds like some classic 70s garbage.
They were more popular in the 70's, yes. It kind of is a 20th century idea but they still exist even in the 21st century.
>>27278780
Also, this is legal in many areas where prostitution is not.
So there's that, as well. You won't need to deal with the black market, the fear of being arrested, gangs, pimps, etc.
There's also the fact that a lot of them have been doing this for years and might be older than you.
There's a lot of guys here who want a nurturing, almost mommy-ish feeling from their sex partner. While they might not be willing to do any kinky mommy roleplays, an older woman might make some robots feel safe and more comfortable.
The point is to help you get over fears and hangups and make you sexually functional, psychologically speaking.
I haven't been to one myself but there are lots in my area and I've been considering it.
>>27278950
where are you finding this? the only thing I saw sounds like it's for normies that want to go sexual super-sayan which makes sense because they wouldn't stay in business if their target demographic was robots.
I've considered doing this. I've had IRL sex countless times but never enjoyed it and my doctor doesn't have specific recommendations since my junk is healthy but thinks it's probably mostly in my head.
I'm relatively content being mostly unattracted to real people but I would probably be happier if I was more normal and had a sex drive like others my age. It would be nice also to have a therapist who could maybe help me work through my devastating fear of pregnancy, troubles with directionless horniness during ovulation, and the oviposition fetish that happened as a result of those two things.
>>27278985
>where are you finding this?
Heard about it from a psychologist when I went to the hospital ages ago. (don't wanna greentext, it was a bad time for me and I don't feel like giving deets)
>the only thing I saw sounds like it's for normies that want to go sexual super-sayan which makes sense because they wouldn't stay in business if their target demographic was robots.
You just need to look around. Call them up and talk to them, tell them your issues and maybe they'll be able to help.
They're not really for "normies" to a large extent. They really are more for people with sexual issues, either physical or psychological.
As far as them going out of business, a lot of them have long since gone out of business or retired. The idea had its heyday back in the day, like I said already. They might not even be a thing 10 years from now; I don't know.
But they're here now so may as well get help while its available.
They can help guys be less afraid of women and learn how sex works, the mechanics of it all beyond "benis in vagina".
>>27279004
Yeah, there are male sexual surrogates too.
I honestly think it's a good idea and could help solve a lot of the issues people on this board have. In a way better than "bee urself" advice ever could.
>>27279004
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boo-hoo
>>27279043
I think a huge number of posters here could be helped by therapy, not just the sexual kind. Just having someone listen one on one and give them reasonable advice for solving their specific problems could help if they were able to find one they clicked with.
I've had a therapist for years, but her main specialty is anxiety, which is why I see her. I've talked to her some about my sexual issues, but frankly they are less important than other problems I have and she has admitted to me that it is not an area where she is an expert. I think I could probably get recommendations from her if I asked.
>>27279067
Oh, don't worry about me. It's not really worth boo-hooing over, I'm just putting in my two cents since it's an interesting topic and I want the thread alive.
>>27279090
I mean, I don't know you or your situation exactly and I can't be sure, but from what you've shared, I totally think you should go for it.
You should ask your therapist about it next time.
A lot of surrogates work with psychotherapists/psychologists, too.
Really I think it's a beautiful idea and I can't believe I hadn't heard of it up until a while ago.
If this thread dies I'm going to make another one in a few days or weeks so more posters will see it.
I think a lot of the people here (especially the guys, I mean /r9k/ is overwhelmingly male) are actually getting sick because they're craving intimacy and human contact and they've never gotten it.
I think deprivation of intimacy might make some people psychotic, I really believe that. I bet you this could help stop some serious issues before they go too far.
>>27279194
Also I know he's kind of a meme here but I wonder if Elliot Rodger could have been helped by a surrogate.
I read his manifesto and to me it seemed like he was so incredibly confused about sex and intimacy, and so angry and scared and and a nice woman holding him and teaching him how to make love might have prevented the whole tragedy. I can't know that but I can speculate.
IIRC either in the manifesto or somewhere else it was mentioned that a rare time he was seen truly looking happy was when some girls were tickling him or something.
People need touch and warmth and this time period feels like a really lonely, cold time for a lot of people. It seems like people back in the 70's could socialize a lot easier, and now it's not so easy. Life seems more complicated now.
I know I'm kinda rambling here but I hope you guys get what I'm driving at.
I think the service surrogates offer could be valuable to society.
Bumping.
Keeping a thread alive at this time of day really isn't easy.
>>27279352
Should've bumped with some content though, forgive me.
Would any of you guys who have a lot of issues/hangups about sex care to share them?
This is a great thread to talk about them in, if I do say so myself.
Do you ever feel angry or sad or afraid when it comes to sexual matters?
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>>27278826
Fair enough, a bit skeptical since i've never heard of the term before. I doubt it exists where i live though, possibly in some half-assed form from a regular older escort (though, prostitution isn't even legal here).
>>27279365
Might as well post this, since I've made threads about it before and almost nobody agreed or related.
I say this as a shut-in KV, by the way.
Probably the biggest hangup I have about sex is how much better it is for women. You'd think with all of the chasing men are expected to do, it'd actually be worth the effort, but no. After all that work, men are expected to do even more work during sex and feel a fraction of the pleasure.
Women's features are worshiped. They have tits, asses, thighs, hips, pouty lips, feet (for those who are into them), etc... and men have.....? They're pretty much shaped like featureless rectangles with hair coming out all over the place. At best, they can work out for months and get buff, but IMO, being muscular still pales in comparison. I still find chiseled physiques boring. From what I've noticed, it seems like men in good shape aren't lusted after in the same way women's features are. It's like:
>6 pack and ripped biceps = this guy is strong and can pin me to the bed and make ME feel dominated!
Pussies vs dicks is no contest. Women can have multiple, powerful orgasms and infinite other sensations while doing almost no work, whereas men are in performance mode either chasing or withholding a shitty, pathetic ejaculation. I've gotten desperate enough to look for a multiple orgasm program for men, and while I don't think it's bullshit or a scam, I never got anywhere near the goal so many users were talking about. I can't relax enough for it to work, and it can take years. What also pissed me off is how it had to become a regiment/disciplined practice, whereas women already have their ability built in. The program works for them too, so it's another thing guys can't exclusively have.
I've looked around the internet for opinions on this, and very few seem to think the same way. Most guys claim "IDGAF, I like making her writhe in ecstasy" which is fucking idiotic to me if they can't also have that type of pleasure. (1/2)
>>27281453
Another platitude I see in response to this question/complaint is
>talk it out with your partner and find out if she can try reciprocating, then she can tell you what she likes
They basically suggest some bastardized version of switching up how you ejaculate and if you're somehow pleased with getting the same 3 second sensation while she pretends to dominate you, you can then find new ways to make her howl in delight and the problem is solved.
A sexual surrogate wouldn't help me out with this problem. I'm pretty sure she would just give me some bullshit like "we can go slow" or "all women are different! some women don't even orgasm!"
I saw a porn company called Girls Out West or something a few years ago talking about how all of the videos starred women and were made by women in the name of celebrating sexual freedom. I was so pissed off watching them clearly enjoy it, knowing that if a guy was in any of those videos, his experience would be insignificant in comparison. Most porn pisses me off for this reason, and it's why I've largely quit watching.
Reading posts on 4chan about sex stories when they come from guys also annoys me. Seeing something like "my girlfriend and I were both orgasming with the force of 1000 suns" is fucking enraging, too. I know the guy's exaggerating his side of the story, or it at least will always come in 2nd place.
>tfw my gf is sucking my dick right now
>MUH FUCKIN' DICK
Fucking hell, stop. It's even worse when there's a huge chance the people boasting are circumcised.
I know I sound hostile, but this has traumatized me for years. It's the main reason I hate the idea of pining after women and putting in so much effort, risking rejection, and all that. There is NO area in relationships where guys have an advantage or better experience. It's so defeating.
Does anyone else relate or agree in any way?
>>27281595
I bet you are cut. If so, yes you have been robbed. Uncut guys feel everything through the entire act. Their orgasms are very powerful and they can go 2-3 rounds. Whereas cut guys feel almost nothing, have weak orgasms and are usually done after 1 round
>>27281771
I forgot to post that I'm not cut. It's not that I feel nothing, it's just lame. I remember thinking it was disappointing and hoping there was more out there since age 15 or so.
>>27278625
>find a girl
>book sessions
>have sex
>pay for it
I think this is called "having a girlfriend"
>>27281453
>Pussies vs dicks is no contest. Women can have multiple, powerful orgasms and infinite other sensations while doing almost no work, whereas men are in performance mode either chasing or withholding a shitty, pathetic ejaculation. I've gotten desperate enough to look for a multiple orgasm program for men, and while I don't think it's bullshit or a scam, I never got anywhere near the goal so many users were talking about.
Your ejaculations and orgasms shouldn't be "shitty" or "pathetic". That's a sign something's wrong.
As far as male multiple orgasm goes, Glenn Callendar has a video where he shows how he can have multiple orgasms (with ejaculations) by stimulating his ridged band. Take a look.
http://www.can-fap.net/preview/fundraiser_preview_multipleforegasm.shtml
>>27281818
You really should get a lot of pleasure from sex, especially because you have a whole penis. Have you had your hormone levels checked?
Also, do you spend a lot of time sitting down, or riding a bicycle? This can compress and even damage the pudendal nerve and reduce the pleasure you get.
>>27281595
Honestly though, women do seem to get more pleasure from sex. This has been noted for thousands of years.
Male orgasm really does seem less intense than female orgasm, and I can understand why this would frustrate you or make you upset. I feel the same way.
But like I said you should still get a lot of pleasure. Maybe not like a woman would, but still quite a bit.
>>27281453
(Holy quadruple reply batman. I am
>>27281833
>>27281858
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>>27281892
I just feel like your post is probably one of the best in this thread, man. I appreciate how you've opened up about your frustrations.)
I just wanted to mention that there ARE some women who lust over men's features.
Some women are obsessed with men's butts, for example. They're rare compared to men obsessed with women's butts (or boobs etc) but out there. So some women really are into the man's body, not just what he can do for her.
You seem like the kind of guy who might do well with this somewhat atypical type of woman. Maybe you want your body to be appreciated and that might make you feel better during sex.
>>27281833
I've tried this before many times, and it felt painful. I seemed to be doing it properly, too. Even if it worked, a big part of the problem in general is how all of these different techniques require effort. I don't mean that in the sense of not wanting to move a muscle, but it's like any elevated pleasure requires taking yourself out of the moment and forcing something to happen without being able to relax into it. Ejaculation also breaks the moment, at least for me. It makes such a mess, you have to watch where it lands.
>>27281858
I have had my hormones checked, though it was for something else. They were fine. Yes, I am sitting down for much of the day. I'm aware it's very bad for my health, and am trying to remedy that.
>>27281892
What really gets me is in all of these tantric guides to sex I've looked at, even the ones from 100 years ago, they explicitly say women will feel more pleasure and won't lose sexual energy/chi from ejaculating. Makes me wonder why the fuck they're teaching this stuff to begin with, it's like there's no getting around it. Men have reported full body orgasms without ejaculating and I fully believe it's possible, but hearing anything about how women still have it better and easier makes me want to crawl in a hole. I know a lot of people would tell me to quit bitching, but I almost think if people thought about it a little more, they would understand the resentment. I don't think many men have this cross their minds. I asked my friend about it once and he didn't give a flying fuck, plus he's cut.
>>27282020
>I've tried this before many times, and it felt painful. I seemed to be doing it properly, too.
It might not work for you then. There would be a cause for that, but the cause is beyond the knowledge of medicine at this time. Glen might be atypical in his ability to have multiple orgasms this way--not a lot of research done on it.
>Even if it worked, a big part of the problem in general is how all of these different techniques require effort. I don't mean that in the sense of not wanting to move a muscle, but it's like any elevated pleasure requires taking yourself out of the moment and forcing something to happen without being able to relax into it.
Yeah, I can get what you mean. It is frustrating. You might find intercourse with a woman you really like a lot better than masturbation. It's possible that the feeling of her vagina might really feel better than anything you could do to yourself. No guarantees, but it's possible.
>Ejaculation also breaks the moment, at least for me. It makes such a mess, you have to watch where it lands.
Know what you mean about that too. That won't apply if you're having intercourse (assuming you're not relying on pulling out obviously) though, at least.
>I have had my hormones checked, though it was for something else. They were fine.
I see. Are you getting enough nutrition? You should make sure to get enough omega 3 fatty acids like DHA. Don't expect anything huge to come from this but it might help. Every little bit helps.
Do you get a lot of pleasure from masturbation before the orgasm/ejaculation, or is it very boring until you get the disappointing orgasm?
>Yes, I am sitting down for much of the day. I'm aware it's very bad for my health, and am trying to remedy that.
That's good. Try to avoid putting strain between your legs or anything that could compress that area.
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>>27282090
>hearing anything about how women still have it better and easier makes me want to crawl in a hole. I know a lot of people would tell me to quit bitching, but I almost think if people thought about it a little more, they would understand the resentment.
I understand. But to whom is your resentment directed? It shouldn't be towards women...they can't help the way they're built after all. Resentment towards the causal processes that left us with this situation seems more reasonable, but those processes couldn't have done otherwise either..
Maybe you could try letting go of resentments like this and just appreciating what you have, while trying to look for some ways to make it better. I know that's kind of a platitude but I don't know what else to tell you. I know it's frustrating.
I myself have big issues with my penis. I was very tightly circumcised and my penis is permanently damaged on the inside because I tried dry masturbation (reading posts from other cut guys saying "I fap without lube and I'm fine, lube is a meme" influenced me to try it) and my tunica tore because my shaft skin was so tight it was basically fused to the tunica, and trying to move the shaft skin made the tunica break. I had internal bleeding and now I have lost almost all pleasurable sensation in my penis.
Living this way is hard and I have chronic pain issues from it. I try not to be resentful but actually it eats me up like crazy.
I hope I can get better, maybe with future medical techniques.
anyway, sorry for getting off subject.
Do you crave intimacy at all? I know it's not the same as what you really want but I experienced lots of pleasure from just holding a woman, talking to her, kissing her, etc.
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>>27282172
I don't normally enjoy "dominating" women except if I'm in the mood, which is rare. But modern sex culture really wants the man to "dominate" and it just turns me off so much 90% of the time unless I'm real aroused and in a particular mood (which happens just a few times a year, if that).
Back in the 70's it wasn't like that from what I hear...lots of women seemed to go for softer guys back then. Now it seems like the common thing is for women to go for a more rough, animalistic kind of guy. If you're not that guy, the very idea can be nauseating and saddening.
>>27281953
Thanks, I always want to talk about things like this but hate coming off like I'm overly bitter. (even when I am)
>I just wanted to mention that there ARE some women who lust over men's features. Some women are obsessed with men's butts, for example.
I have heard this before, but it always seemed watered down. I was extremely retarded when younger and honestly didn't know women were supposed to have thick butts until I was 15 or 16, maybe older. Years prior, hearing women in movies/TV talking about some guy's ass, I always thought it was forced.
>You seem like the kind of guy who might do well with this somewhat atypical type of woman. Maybe you want your body to be appreciated and that might make you feel better during sex.
If you remember back when this board had regular "tfw no gentle dom gf / role reversal" threads almost every day, I was always in those. I'm not sure how much I was really into it, as the concept sounded nice but any real examples mentioned came across as "guy pretending to be a girl". Once again just a cheap imitation of the "real" thing.
Before that, there used to be a fair amount of "mommy gf" threads that got me into the fetish, and I still am into it. Now I'm wondering if that was a coverup to find some excuse to know there are scenarios where the guy is desired more than the girl, at least temporarily.
It's a difficult problem to figure out, since I hate that women are admired so much, but at the same time, I totally get why they are. It's not like I necessarily think I or other men have some beauty that isn't getting acknowledged. I don't have a "no homo" complex about admitting certain men are good looking, but it's very hard to see why women would want to do things to even somebody like Tom Cruise as opposed to having him dominate them, if I'm making any sense.
>>27282245
>I have heard this before, but it always seemed watered down. I was extremely retarded when younger and honestly didn't know women were supposed to have thick butts until I was 15 or 16, maybe older.
I wouldn't put that down much to any stupidity on your part. In the West, for some reason culturally there was a preference for women to have small butts in the 90's. This has changed relatively recently. If you were around that age back in the 90's or early 00's it's not your fault you didn't really "get" that.
Big butts were considered attractive in the Victorian era and are considered so again now. It seems to go in cycles. But obviously there are always going to be some men who like them one way and some who like them another.
>Years prior, hearing women in movies/TV talking about some guy's ass, I always thought it was forced.
It's rare for women to be really into them, but I know some women who love them. Again there'd be a cause for that (hormones, genetic makeup, brain structure, all kinds of insanely complex things we don't fully understand).
Think about the idea of a woman really enjoying your body. Does the idea make you feel nice? If so, that really probably is the type you should go for.
You have to have the mindset that not all women are the same. The "red pill" ideology wants you to think that but it's honestly not true. My ex wasn't into my body at all. Now I know some girls who clearly are into it and the experience is honestly very, very different. It makes me feel good to have my body appreciated. It feels...comfy.
I've been up all night and my reading comprehension is starting to get fuzzy so I may hit the sack. If this thread is still up later today maybe we can continue this convo
>>27278625
That's for handicaped people buddy
>>27282245
>>27282314
One last thing.
If you do decide to start socializing with women (even if you don't want to get a steady girlfriend, but if you want to make friends with a woman and maybe even get to be intimate with her), you seem like the kind of guy who definitely won't want to be pressured into sex. Am I right?
Being pressured into sex feels bad, actually. At least that's my experience.
Society wants to act like men are just sex hounds but it's not really like that. At least not in my case. And this was before my masturbation-related injury.
>>27282479
It's not just for people with physical handicaps. Many of them work with people who have psychological hangups about sex too.
>>27282314
Just letting you know I'm typing out a response to everything you've said. It'll take a while, so talk to you tomorrow if you're around.
>>27282519
ok, that's cool bro
>>27282172
>It might not work for you then. There would be a cause for that, but the cause is beyond the knowledge of medicine at this time. Glen might be atypical in his ability to have multiple orgasms this way--not a lot of research done on it.
What confuses me is how some people say multiple orgasms can be separate from ejaculations, which is what I want (full body orgasms without ejaculation), and others say MOs are repeated ejaculations. The latter is sometimes called male squirting, which seems to be the same process as what you're describing. I've tried to find videos, and they're few and far between. Maybe not a whole lot of people are able, or even know about it.
>You might find intercourse with a woman you really like a lot better than masturbation.
I don't doubt it, and I'm hesitant to go into much detail just because my lack of experience could disregard my opinion. At least I'm posting it in a thread about virginity, I guess.
>That won't apply if you're having intercourse (assuming you're not relying on pulling out obviously) though, at least.
True, though that's only for PIV sex. Anything else and there's a lot of worry about cleanup.
>Are you getting enough nutrition? You should make sure to get enough omega 3 fatty acids like DHA.
My diet is pretty bad lately, though I put a decent effort into eating well when I first started thinking about this a lot. I was taking a lot of supplements, too.
>Do you get a lot of pleasure from masturbation before the orgasm/ejaculation, or is it very boring until you get the disappointing orgasm?
I thought it was sufficiently good when I started at 13. A year or two later and the feeling diminished, probably just from getting used to it. (no porn addiction or depraved fetishes) It feels like I'm racing to ejaculate BECAUSE everything beforehand doesn't feel good, not that hurrying in the past made me not care about anything else. cont...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/7945785/Councils-pay-for-prostitutes-for-the-disabled.html
Thanks, taxpayer!
>>27282090
>>27282172
>>27282697
Since hearing about that male multiple orgasm program a few years ago, I began thinking more about slow sex/intimacy and all that. As a result, and because I don't get the opportunity to have sex, I tried slowing down fapping to see if the effect would be better. To my surprise, it's actually much worse. It feels like I'm taking something already watered down and trying to draw it out into something bigger and better than it really is. It's a habit I still get caught up in, and after the 30-60 minute process is over, I lay there feeling moronic for not just rushing through and going to bed.
>But to whom is your resentment directed? It shouldn't be towards women...they can't help the way they're built after all.
It's hard to say for sure. I don't outright resent women, but any time they talk about sex, I feel bitter. When seeing professional photoshoots where male and female models are posing together sexually, I always see the guy as a fraud. Pic related isn't the best example, but I hate seeing the men portrayed as equal when they're not. They always look like a dull template for women to plaster their own fantasies on.
>Maybe you could try letting go of resentments like this and just appreciating what you have, while trying to look for some ways to make it better.
That is what I've been doing for years. I'm not mad about you giving me a platitude, I don't expect a great solution I've never considered to come floating down, so no worries.
I remember seeing you (or someone with the same story) recently talking about tearing your tunica. I wouldn't blame you for being resentful, I'm mad about circumcision despite not having had it myself. A story like yours makes it even worse, and it's annoying as hell that people seem to not care about permanent damage resulting from what's essentially pointless and harmful to begin with. I guess Foregen (sp?) wouldn't do anything to help you with the damage you already have? cont...
>>27282172
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>>27282927
>Do you crave intimacy at all? I know it's not the same as what you really want but I experienced lots of pleasure from just holding a woman, talking to her, kissing her, etc.
Yes, that was and still is (for the most part) at the top of my list of what I want. Unlike the sexual things I've mentioned, I daydream about intimacy every day, much like most other robots on here probably do as well. I've been fixated on it for almost my whole life, so I'm almost sick of paying it mind anymore. What facet of it is there to think about that hasn't been exhausted? I had several chances to get in a relationship when I was 14/15 (despite being unattractive, 5'4, and shy) and blew it. I became overwhelmed with intense fear about nearly everything and gradually hid away from the world. I'm a long time shut-in neet, turning 23 in a month, and I feel like I haven't grown up since early high school.
>I don't normally enjoy "dominating" women except if I'm in the mood, which is rare. But modern sex culture really wants the man to "dominate" and it just turns me off so much 90% of the time unless I'm real aroused and in a particular mood
I agree. The thought of dominating women lost its appeal a long time ago with me, especially when it's not out of a man's own volition, but the woman essentially batting her eyes and subtly advertising she wants to be taken.
>Back in the 70's it wasn't like that from what I hear...lots of women seemed to go for softer guys back then. Now it seems like the common thing is for women to go for a more rough, animalistic kind of guy. If you're not that guy, the very idea can be nauseating and saddening.
I've rarely wanted to be rough and animalistic. Not like I could be anyway, as I'm a beta manlet. Either way, I always despised that type of attitude. Loud, boisterous men seem irritating and foolish to me. Always demanding attention and making everything into a pissing contest. It's such an act.
>>27282314
>I wouldn't put that down much to any stupidity on your part. In the West, for some reason culturally there was a preference for women to have small butts in the 90's. This has changed relatively recently. If you were around that age back in the 90's or early 00's it's not your fault you didn't really "get" that.
I became a teenager in 2006, and I was sheltered about a lot of things, mostly my own doing. It wasn't just butt size I was oblivious about. Aside from boobs, I had no idea men and women had different body shapes until age 15 or so. Even after having been on 4chan for a few years, I didn't know what the true difference between cut/uncut was until I was 18.
>Think about the idea of a woman really enjoying your body. Does the idea make you feel nice? If so, that really probably is the type you should go for.
It does, but how can these women be classified as a type? Wouldn't you have to know someone for a while, and pay close attention to see how much they're into you? I'm pretty tired right now, so it's not making much sense to me. The way I see it, "athletic" and "introverted" are easily identifiable types. I don't know how
"women who like male bodies beyond their utility" is easy to quantify without becoming close with them first.
>You have to have the mindset that not all women are the same. The "red pill" ideology wants you to think that but it's honestly not true. My ex wasn't into my body at all. Now I know some girls who clearly are into it and the experience is honestly very, very different. It makes me feel good to have my body appreciated. It feels...comfy.
I've gone back and forth with thinking that, but have come to the conclusion that being a neet utterly disqualifies me from judging people I don't know with such a blanket statement. Did your ex specifically say she didn't like your body? What's the difference now that you're getting appreciated by other girls?
>>27282493
>If you do decide to start socializing with women (even if you don't want to get a steady girlfriend, but if you want to make friends with a woman and maybe even get to be intimate with her), you seem like the kind of guy who definitely won't want to be pressured into sex. Am I right?
Yes, you're right. I'm pretty sure I used to think I was being some noble "nice guy" gentleman with that opinion, when in actuality, it's mainly because I'm a coward, which is not necessarily something I'd hate to admit, either. If that's the truth, so be it.
Having sex immediately would be offputting to me even if I was outgoing and confident, and there isn't even a great orgasmic payoff in doing so, based off everything I've posted in this thread.
>>27281453
>>27281595
I'm currently in a relationship and while I enjoy sex with my gf, I do think about this and it does frustrate me sometimes.
I like fingering my gf and making her writhe with pleasure, but it's hard not to think about how there's nothing like that she could do for me. And about how she seems to get so much pleasure before even orgasming, whereas I just feel like everything is leading up to the 5 seconds of pleasure I eventually get.
I think it's perfectly understandable to be annoyed and frustrated with this. At the end of the day there's really nothing you can do except accept that sex will always be a little less pleasurable for you though :/
>>27283811
Serious non-meme response:
Have you considered that you are legitimately sexually dysfunctional? And I don't mean like, "hurr durr can you not get a boner dude?" I mean like, maybe you have some hangups or aren't sexually attracted to your gf or something. My gf (normie get out ree) and I have been having amazing sex all the fucking time for almost 3 years now. You and >>27281453 talking about how it's so much better for women kinda confuses me; sex isn't ONLY about orgasm. My gf has multiple orgasms pretty commonly, and even if they're not back-to-back she'll generally cum at least twice before I do. Granted I could get off in like 1 minute and leave her out to dry if I wanted, but that's not as enjoyable for me.
>And about how she seems to get so much pleasure before even orgasming whereas I just feel like everything is leading up to the 5 seconds of pleasure I eventually get.
Like, this is the sort of statement that makes me think something is wrong here. Cause I'm still sitting here enjoying sex from the moment my dick enters mouth or pussy.
>how there's nothing like that she could do for me
What do you even mean by this? What about a nice handjob or blowjob? assplay can be nice too, and that's more "like" fingering i guess.
So seriously, have you considered that something is wrong with you? Like, is your sex drive completely ruined by 2D waifus or something else? How old are you? Maybe you should consider something like OP mentioned.
>>27284478
I mean I exaggerated a little. Sure, I get a lot of pleasure from before the orgasm and I do really enjoy sex with my gf. It's not like I'm just doing it because I feel like I have to. But girls completely lose it when they're feeling enough sexual pleasure--my GF says she basically completely loses herself during fingering/sex/vibrator. That doesn't happen to me or any guy I've ever known, except right before and during orgasm, but that's it--maybe 30 seconds, compared to minutes for girls.
I'm definitely attracted to my very hot gf, and if I am dysfunctional then I have been my entire life because masturbation is no different. But I really don't think I am. My experience with sex seems to be mirrored by every other description of how guys/girls experience it.
>>27278625
oh god remember that episode of Boston Legal where Alan Shore hooks that Autist with a sexual surrogate and the poor sperg gets arrested?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IomjPFT1Yw
>>27281595
I would like to say that an orgasm during sex is different then masturbation. It shouldn't frustrate you to this extent. I've talked to my girlfriend about this and the multiple orgasm thing may not be what you think it is. She told me that if she does have multiples during sex that it is typically smaller one like waves until a big final one that is the Climax. And as a guy, the best orgasms I have ever had were from completely relaxing in the moment and letting your self get caught up with it and after 15 minutes of humping and the build up is Incredible when ever you can squeeze the girl and force yourself as deep as you can into her and have that pent up energy released deep inside of her. It can last up to 20 seconds of spurting and pulsing and the afterglow is amazing still.. And girls also can do things to you that make you writhe in pleasure, you just have to communicate what you like. For instance on a long drive back home one night by gf pulled my dick out and started to go down on me. Once it was all slick with saliva she just kind of gripped it and ran her thumb all around the head and the underside. I had to pull over because I couldn't even drive straight..
