>reminder that right-wing thought is the 'b urself' of political philosophies
>your average conservative is too wrapped up in his just world fallacy that he will go out of his way to blame you for all the problems in your life
>these people are going to be running the country soon
Just kill me now
>>27271063
It's not your fault, but it's not anybody else's responsibility, either.
>>27271127
>Society fucks people up, but its not society's responsibility to help them
Thanks for summing up capitalism so eloquently
Read Spengler's "Decline of the West", it'll give you a greater perspective than this left/right squabbling.
>I have friends working there - I'll have a word, and get you an internship
This is the fucking worst.
Nepotism is everything. Success in life is all about who you know.
This cartoon is such a load of bullshit, if Paula worked a little harder she'd get ahead in life.
Liberal propaganda from Tumblr, that's all this thread is.
Fuck off back to Tumblr, asshole OP. I hope you fucking die.
>>27271063
So when Paula eventually uses the contacts she acquires throughout life to aid her children does that make them privileged?
What about her grandchildren, for whom even further accumulated wealth and referrals will aid?
When does somebody become privileged?
Why is it bad?
>>27271207
Just a heads up, I'm basically living Paula's life, and it doesn't always work out like that. Over half of americans aren't equipped to handle a sudden $1000 expense.
>>27271155
If the family of the girl couldn't afford to raise a child they shouldn't have had one. The family on the left could and did so.
It's not the girls fault, it's her parents, not the rich family or "le government is bad xD"
>>27271262
That's because you're wasting your time on fucking 4chan, bitching about what you can't get, when you should be working to get the things you want.
>>27271207
>he feel for the "social mobility" meme
Fucking kek
>mfw retard conservatives make us all look bad by making stupid arguments
I'm right wing because I believe hard work can get you places. There are always going to be people like Richard and people like Paula, but in the right wing the goal is to try to make people work for their wealth, and the left is just people expecting handouts.
Vote Cruz lads.
>>27271252
People need to accept that there are some people who, through no fault of their own, start at the bottom, and may need assistance or understanding.
Why should someone suffer because of mental illness, or a bad upbringing, or just plain bad luck?
Conservatism is simply a lack of empathy.
>>27271207
>tumblr propaganda
Your argument is basically "Well, those pesky ess-jay-dubyas believe in privilege, so therefore, privilege doesn't exist and we live in a shiny happy perfect meritocracy"
How delusional can you get?
>>27271355
>Vote Cruz
kill yourself
>>27271400
>People want a world where hardwork is rewarded
>They don't realise that's how it is, it's just the hardwork of the family giving others a headstart
>Blame other families for living life how they want to live theres
Privilege is only dislikes by people without it, the system works. It's just we have too many idiots giving birth to 3-4 children they can't afford who grow up feeling entitled to more as there peers have better upbringings.
>>27271466
What's wrong with Cruz? He's a gr8 guy.
>>27271496
evangelical christian that puts the bible above the constitution
I'm right-wing because I hate commies, I don't actually care for policy other than "throw communists out of helicopters".
>>27271524
Since when? Cruz is a massive constitutionalist, more than any of the other candidates, and his religion has nothing to do with this.
>>27271536
This guy has the right idea, Pinochet > Ayende.
>>27271063
Both are retarded.
Being centrist is master race.
>>27271252
Her contacts at a restaurant, sure.
>>27271455
Just look who's talking, asswipe.
>>27271063
It was over for us when socialism fell in 1989. No other state views it as its obligation to provide you with the chance to earn a proper living.
>>27271063
>parents are shit with money
>keep living in an expensive city/state
Poor Paula. Her parents cucked her.
>>27271637
Pretty much this, people want to blame the rich family, or the government.
But her parents, had a child unable to give it a good education, no career based contacts, didn't punish her for getting a B. Her parents failed her, nothing and nobody else.
>>27271207
Lol, fucking autist. Let me guess, you're still in university? Still in high school? Making quick judgements because "muh libtards" and "muh tumblr."
>>27271348
Holy shit what a joke. If troll 10/10. Even the most successful and "hard working" people have free time dipshit. You're what ruins America.
>>27271777
>browses 4chan
>pretends to be successful
We're all rejects here, anon.
>>27271777
My dad has four hours of free time a day. He goes into work at 5:30 and gets back around 6 most days, and he works on the weekends (though not full time on the weekends). Yes, he makes like $150,000 a year, but I would rather make half of what he does for twice the free time.
>>27271812
I dunno. I'm successful relative to what I wanted to do, but now I'm doing it I realize it fucking sucks and I hate it and I want to go back. :(
>>27271483
>the system works
>western civilization is collapsing as we speak
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>27271877
Shh, it's okay anon.
Remember, suicide is always an option
>>27271063
republicans are going to get btfo in most elections for the foreseeable future
don't worry none
they are simply the loudest and most aggressive posters around here, but they're a vocal minority and tons of them are planted shills by the GOP who think they can take advantage of a vulnerable and downtrodden group
>>27271271
>Procreation is the privilege of the rich
Implying that rich people can stay rich without poor people being poor? Your blind devotion to money is the reason why the world is shit.
>>27271400
>Why should someone suffer
Because that is what it means to be progressive as a human being.
Do you know why some peoples never bothered with agriculture? It was because the lands upon which they lived were so naturally bountiful that there was never any need.
Advancements in metal working, mathematics, written language, etc, were all birthed from necessity by those who were unlucky enough to find themselves born in lands less forgiving, and who needed to commit themselves wholly to war and trade to survive. There was no one to blame for this, it was merely so, and as such they milled on.
Some died, some lived, some suffering came to nothing, some suffering built civilizations.
And this is where you and I will diverge. You'll suss out something along the lines to say man has advanced to a point where such models and modes of operation are unnecessary, and I will disagree.
More suffering eventually came to those who failed to advance, and I believe this is still true.
What goes on in the ghetto today?
>>27271581
It apparently hosts well-to-do people. She may be fortunate enough to run into someone non-trivial and catch there attention. Failing that, hard work and eventual seniority would give way to a managerial role. It is a start.
>>27271916
Yeah. :( originaldo
>>27272102
>blah blah blah I have a degree in bullshitting
go be a politician you /pol/faggot. you are not needed here
>>27272199
Fine.
Rude.
>>27271199
As a 30 year old math & comp sci grad with a 4.0 gpa I can confirm this (well at least in my experience anyway).
>tfw retarded kids from classes got way better jobs through connections.
>tfw one kid in a software engineering project refused to do any of the work always touting how he's already got a job lined up at his father's company
>tfw ended up working for a small company making half what I should be making for what I do with no health benefits etc.
Oh well, at least I can truly say nobody ever handed me anything on a plate.
>>27271063
>>reminder that right-wing thought is the 'b urself' of political philosophies
Dude, I figure it's like this:
>everyone who is extreme right is rich and has power
>i want to be rich and have power
>therefore, i am for the right
Nothing wrong with this logic.
>>27272320
apparently
>i am disenfranchised
>i want government assistance
>i am for the left
is wrong and illogical though
>>27272290
Are you a white male?
>>27271355
>I'm right wing because I believe hard work can get you places.
One doesn't have anything to do with the other, brah. I'm a lefty who believes in shit like hard work, self-sufficiency, and making a better life for the future.
Outside of this board, most people believe this. Only here will you find "wagecuck" threads where dipshits are proud of being leeches on other people.
>>27272357
Yes I am... and the few females I went to school with got great jobs out of college simply for being female comp sci majors (even though they were awful programmers), so I don't want to hear that bullshit.
neocons are garbage
i am righter than fucking right and i agree with everything in the OP image
gas the rich
>I'm expected to be able to do whatever some fat cat wants me to do for 8 hours a day when I spend most of my time completely bonkers, believing celebrities are communicating with me or hallucinating entire conversations with friends and family
>I will die on the streets if I can't manage this lifestyle
>>27271063
"Just b yurself" is a very left-wing type of thinking.
If you are gay or straight or transgender or cis or fluid gendered or transracial all you have to do is "b yurself"
Right-wing thinking wants a all the same type of society, gays stay in the closet, if you are born with a penis then you are a guy, ect.
>>27271063
Why the fuck does the rich kid have grey hair? Premature aging from the stress of guilt from worrying about his privilege?
>>27272010
If you can't assure her a bright future you have only yourself to blame if she ends up as trash
>>27272389
That's more reactionary behavior, though. They're doing the whole wagecuck thing because most people probably treat them like garbage for being unemployed.
Or, you know, they're just trolling.
>>27272430
>Waah, someone else got breaks I should've gotten for being white and male! What's wrong with this world?
Right.
>>27271355
>the left is just people expecting handouts.
And that's why we subsidise right wing run corporations with billions of tax payer dollars
>conservatives wageslave for Schlomo Goldstein
>Liberals go into debt to learn about feminism from Schlomo Goldstein
>>27271466
>falling for obvious bate
Why lad?
>>27271812
>le I'm a fucking loser so everyone else has to be as well maymay
>>27271063
>reminder that right-wing thought is the 'b urself' of political philosophies
And of course the objectively correct political philosophy is leftism, which can be boiled down to, "Nothing you've failed at is your fault. You're just being oppressed. Oh, did you manage to succeed at something? You're just privileged. You didn't build that.".
What happens when you raise kids in a culture of participation trophies and contests where everyone's a "winner"? They eventually enter the real world and are so stunned that they make posts like this >>27271063.
>>27272102
>What goes on in the ghetto today?
Right. They are preparing the leaders of tomorrow.
Look back at the pasts of the wealthiest families today, and you'll find they were all living in immigrant ghettos in New York a few decades ago. The Rothschilds rose up from the humblest of hardscrabble beginnings to become who they are now.
Without adversity, they would've never achieved greatness.
>>27271579
this is true. i'm almost center though
>>27272694
>I'm confusing leftist college tier bullshit with what normal left wing people actually believe.
You people are worse than the retards who join socialist campus groups, at least they inevitability grow out of it when they turn 21
Capitalism would be great if it didn't start out as a result of people being screwed over by the rich and powerful. The first markets were created by war, and the first rich people got that way through violence and conquest. If we could wipe the slate clean, destroy all wealth and debts, then we might be able to make it work. But that really seems impossible.
>>27271400
Why should anyone suffer for any reason whatsoever? Why can't we all just live in an opium den, eat food that is provided to us and have sex with whomever whenever we please?
Not believing in the 'free food and orgy opium den' is simply a lack of empathy.
>>27271063
>mfw the story of these two families begins with the current generation and nothing else
Bullshit. The positions of these two kids are the result of the positions of their parents, sure, but what about their parents? What did the grandparents do? The great grandparents?
Richard is the result of a long line of ancestors working hard to give him the comfortable life he has. Paula's ancestors were fuckups and she's reaping the results. If she gets her shit together instead of becoming a professional victim, maybe her children or grandchildren can be like Richard.
That's how the world has worked for thousands of years before the current generation decided that they deserve everything for free RIGHT NOW because they're special and they deserve it. No, Richard didn't do it all himself but yes, he does deserve to be on top. He deserves to be there because his ancestors worked their asses off to get him there and to do anything less than take full advantage of their effort in order to give his children and his children's children the same advantage would be spitting in the face of all the sacrifices his ancestors made.
Paula isn't going to be Richard and she doesn't deserve to be Richard. But if she's willing to put in the effort, maybe her grandchildren can be Richard.
>inb4 b-but that's not faaaair
>>27272606
Haha, no... they shouldn't have gotten breaks for being female. Feminist logic at work ladies and gentlemen.
>>27272515
That's a very narrow minded view. Why do you think low-income, low-education families have a higher child yield, and who are the benefactors of this socioeconomic fact?
>>27271777
>Holy shit what a joke. If troll 10/10. Even the most successful and "hard working" people have free time dipshit.
You know perfectly well that you could get another job to fill that free time if you really wanted. There is nothing stopping you from working 80 hours a week if you really, really wanted that badly to have more money. But you don't want it badly enough to work that hard and you refuse to believe that there are people who do.
>>27272102
>arguing that "inability to advance" is why poor people stay poor
>believes changing the government to help the poor succeed isn't "advancing" the state of our society
Nice meme friend. Maybe instead of feeling so self righteous you could try actually understanding your shit tier point of view
>>27272875
> Why do you think low-income, low-education families have a higher child yield
Historically because most of the children would die.
Now, presumably for the joy of having children and to ease their burdens further on in life
>>27271920
>republicans are going to get btfo in most elections for the foreseeable future
>majority in the house
>majority in the senate
>about to be the president
>getting btfo
I hope you realize that the current Congress has the largest Republican majority since 1930. That's a fact bubba, and that's what we call being btfo.
>>27271199
It won't save you if you mess up bad enough though
>come from a well off family
>figured engineering school would be a great time to grow hair half way down my ass and smoke weed all the time
>coast through because I could easily pick up on the concepts
>turns out no one wants to hire a kid who looks like a stoner
>do nothing but smoke weed and play video games after college
>figure I will try this nepotism thing
>"you seem like a good kid, but we can't help you"
Things do get better
>clean my self up and get a normal haircut
>work a few shit jobs I found on my own for a year to prove I can work
>find a decent job on my own last year that is a level or 2 below where I should have been out of college
>>27271920
Trump is energizing the GOP base like Obama did in 2008. Democratic primary votes are down while republican votes are way up. On election day getting more people to show up and vote for you than the other guy is all that matters.
At the end of the interview they said I was a decent person who deserved a chance.
>>27272832
You don't need to go that far. You do need to simplify the tax code and lower rate so that small businesses are on even footing with larger businesses while staying revenue neutral. Removing big business' ability to influence policy in their favor and against their competition would be an immense help. True capitalism would see large established businesses get destroyed by upstart competition if they fail to adapt to consumers.
>>27272928
And the second part of my question?
>>27272811
I'm sorry, it was silly of me to use the President as an example of what the average leftist thinks. He's obviously a extremist.
>>27271400
>Conservatism is simply a lack of empathy.
Someone hasn't read their Ayn Rand.
Protip: Eschew empathy.
>>27272614
But corporations aren't people so we don't have to empathize with then
>>27272981
Presumably the rich?
>>27272993
Ayn Rand is a shit tier "philosopher" and a bad novelist too. Read Stirner instead.
>>27271812
>
I'm a med student, but I still come here for the meems.
>>27272962
>>republicans are going to get btfo in most elections for the foreseeable future
Just keep telling yourself that.
Every democrat I know seems to think Hillary has a lock on the Whitehouse, and their sitting back like they don't have to worry at all.
Meanwhile, Trump has people mobilized and energized like no one else. He is an unstoppable train at this point, and you're going to just hand him the election because Democrats are going to sit at home in November thinking everyone else is voting for Hillary.
My friends, you have already lost this game.
>supporting the left or right wing
Both are shit since I'm not a poor spic/black or a rich CEO.
>>27272010
>Implying that rich people can stay rich without poor people being poor
You do realize that this is not only possible but a commonly accepted fact by economic scholars? Because of technological progress, everyone becomes richer over time in the long run. The poorest US citizens today enjoy greater quality of life than the lower middle class did a hundred years ago.
Or perhaps your definition of being rich is relative to the rest of the population? In that case it's circular reasoning and you're a moron.
>>27272856
>deserving something that happened before you were born
Do you believe in the original sin, too?
Actual right wing thought claims that structural inequality just and desirable. You're just complaining about right-liberals.
>>27272694
I'm left and I don't care about help for myself. So far I am fine and do well on my own. All I want is for people to be able to feed their kids, get homeless people off the streets and maybe even into a place where they can actually benefit society, and provide a medical safety net for people so they don't have to get sick and die. I'm left because I think helping my fellow citizens with worthwhile. You are too busy swilling propaganda to ever consider helping your fellow man.
>>27271063
I actually like this comic and it explains how some people turn out to be robots in a decent way.
>>27272320
I bet you consider yourself a "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" don't you?
>>27272849
"Free food" no body who understands politics actually believes in the "free" meme
>>27273081
>The poorest US citizens today enjoy greater quality of life than the lower middle class did a hundred years ago.
But there is still inequality and this should be unacceptable.
>hurr durr the poor kids don't even die of diarrhea like they did a hundred years ago so why are they complaining?
>>27273074
I was responding to someone else, you fucking moron. You're quoting a quote. Did you even read the rest of my post? Before you respond to this one I want you to read that last post again and think really, really hard about what I might be saying.
Fucking Trump drones need to stay on their containment board. We get it, you love the dank memes and this 4chan place is super cool but god damn I can't wait for this election cycle to be over so you fucking parasites can go back to wherever it is you came from.
>>27273046
Ayn Rand was a goddess and light years ahead of her time.
What's next, telling me to read Richard Rorty? Fuck off. Rand is all the philosopher anyone needs.
>>27271063
>living in those shit conditions
>hey let's have a kid! that won't completely drain our funds!
Paula was a mistake the minute her zygote was formed.
>>27271207
>le work hard and you can accomplish anything meme
>>27273124
I don't know what that means. I just know that when I get rich, which I will because America, I don't want to have to give up all my money to support some welfare queen with 8 kids by 8 different fathers who thinks I owe her.
>>27272910
What is the benefit of working 80 hours a week unless doing otherwise makes it impossible to survive? The quality of work will suffer no matter how hard a worker you are so any chance of advancement is unlikely. Working hard and moving up in life isn't always connected. Some people work hard because they have to but that doesn't make them more likely to succeed.
>>27273149
Equality isn't bad as long as those at the bottom are not abused. True justice takes the form of hierarchy.
>>27273046
>Ayn Rand is a shit tier "philosopher" and a bad novelist too. Read Stirner instead.
Oh, and let me guess. U2 is a shit band, Picasso makes shitty art, the color blue is overrated?
Please, anonymous r9k posters, enlighten us about your opinions that matter so much more than any objective or professionally created metric.
>>27272856
>He deserves to be there because his ancestors worked their asses off to get him there
No he doesn't.
His grandparents deserved to be there because they worked hard to get there. He was just born into success. He didn't do anything to get there.
Paula doesn't deserve anything either. Yeah she was born into shit but if she works hard enough to become successful then so be it. she deserved it for her her work. If paula's grandchildren are somehow born in wealth through paula's success then they wouldn't deserve anything because they didn't do jack shit. Paula did.
>>27273153
Another butthutt libtard.
>>27273168
>let's rob from poor people the joy of having offspring, instead of granting them conditions to make their children prosper in life
>>27273161
Ayn Rand was a sophist.
>hurr durr A = A so that means my views on architecture and politics are objectively correct
>hurr durr violence is always bad unless you do it to native Americans
>hurr durr sometimes people do bad things with the intention of the public good so it must be always be bad
>>27273224
Even by professional standards Ayn Rand is considered shit. Harold Bloom, professor of literature at Yale, once wrote that "Ayn Rand couldn't write her way out of a paper bag." And he wasn't some bitter leftist, either - he spent a majority of his career making SJWs in academia butthurt.
>>27273090
If I work really hard in order for my kids to have a good life, do they not deserve to enjoy the fruits of my effort? Should that most basic of human drives, the desire to provide a better life for your children, be thrown aside because it just doesn't fit with the current leftist theme that everyone should be forcibly made equal?
Paula's parents are working hard to give her some manner of success. if we were to add another panel to the comic about Tyrone's parents who hardly even bother to feed him, where he joins a gang while Paula is struggling to juggle work and school, would you stop feeling bad for Paula and feel bad for him instead?
We are all the result of a very long line of ancestors and we deserve the places we're born into a lot more than you might think. It's not just random and if you don't like that because your position sucks, you need to realize that this is how the world works and start busting your ass now to put your children in a better place than you were.
>>27273149
There is no inequality. Poor people want to be poor, and they're free to make that lifestyle decision. I don't get fucked in the ass every weekend while homos and women do. This is not inequality. It just happens I prefer to be doing the ass fucking than getting ass fucked. There has never been a more equal time in humans history. Everything that happens is choice, consequence, and 100% deserved.
>>27273027
So you can see the structure, but you can't see the problem. That seems to imply that you believe in some sort of caste providence, wherein rights and privileges can be obtained only by money, which can be obtained only by the virtue of being born into a rich family.
>>27273081
How is it circular reasoning? The problem isn't that poor people are experiencing a complete absence of quality of life improvements, but that the financial chasm between the rich and the poor are increasing rather than decreasing or even leveling out. Saying that poor people ought to be happy about whatever they are given is just another bourgeoisie rhetoric in the same vein as that of telling women that they ought to not complain about gender inequality because it's worse somewhere else. Comparing how well one group in a vacuum are off compared to 100 years ago says nothing about the difference between classes, which is the actual topic at hand.
>>27273263
>let's have a third life to spend our already-tight budget on and constantly worry about our finances and whether or not she'll be able to eat
>>27273185
When you don't have connections, working hard at least goes further than being a lazy fuck up.
>>27273297
>Being born is not random.
I really hope you get to be Tyrone in your next life.
>>27273153
You can always go back to plebbit and dumblr if you need a safespace. This may shock you, but 4chan has always been kind of edgy and nsfw.
>>27273161
this is ridiculous bait
5/10 is the rating i'll ascribe to it
>>27273149
>But there is still inequality and this should be unacceptable.
Right, and if you look at countries which employ "capitalism" (or rather regulate the free market to a minimum), they have made far more progress in quality of life than the countries which haven't. If the "inequality" caused by this is too high a price to pay, then the preferred alternative is that everyone, including the poorest, are worse off.
>>27272910
>There is nothing stopping you from working 80 hours a week if
trying to kill yourself here? working that many hours can get you some good money but it will affect you're physical/mental health.
but who cares about health. its all about moneeey
>>27273314
Caste implies that people can't move up their position, when they surely can.
I believe that only the absolute best of the best should succeed and climb up the ladder.
Is that odd that I'd prefer my own comfort and that of my future offspring than "muh equality"?
>>27271400
>Conservatism is simply a lack of empathy.
And leftism is a dangerous false empathy based on intentional (and often ideological) misunderstanding.
Empathy isn't a very good guiding force.
>>27273297
Your kids will enjoy the life you give them, but don't pretend they will deserve it, because they fucking won't. By telling your children that they deserve everything they have in life, they won't give a fuck about other, less lucky people's problems, and won't move a finger to change society.
>>27273250
It amazes me how little this current crop of young people are so completely incapable of understanding these basic factors that have been driving our species since the dawn of civilization. Is it because you've all been raised to be so supremely selfish that you simply can't comprehend the concept of sacrificing your own life and happiness in order to provide a better life for your offspring?
If you went back in time and told Richard's grandfather that Richard doesn't deserve to be successful, the old guy would knock you on your ass and say something like, "The hell he doesn't! I worked my whole life to give him that success! He deserves it because he's MY grandson!"
That image is fucking dumb. This assumes that there is no such thing as class mobility in the western world.
The people who work hardest will trend towards upwards mobility, lazy people will trend downwards, and the majority of people will stay in their economic class. That's how most societies work.
>>27273217
>when I get rich
Fuck there is a lot of bait in this thread
>>27273287
>secretly loves ayn rand and cums regularly on his ayn rand action figure
>>27273161
>secretly hates ayn rand and will vote green party in november
>>27273224
>not really sure who ayn rand is but in argumentative mood so wtf
>>27273355
>secretly lacks confidence in how to pronounce 'ayn' in real life
>>27273359
>they have made far more progress in quality of life than the countries which haven't.
At the expense of other countries.
>>27273220
>>27273361
If you're crying about being poor but you're not working as much as you could potentially be working then you have no excuse to cry. All I'm hearing is that you value your free time more than you value the money you'd make by working more. There's nothing wrong with that but you lose the right to cry about not having money when you decide you'd rather do other things than earn it.
>>27273314
So the goal in your mind isn't that people should have it better in general, but that everyone should be on the same level, regardless of what that level is?
If so, we should also feel pity for the millionaires who live in a neighborhood of billionaires, since they will be surrounded by people who are economically better off than they are.
>>27273217
>when I get rich, which I will because America
>because Amurica
>'cause 'Murica
Confirmed for listener of shit-tier country music.
>>27271063
This is the wrong place to have this discussion, this place is full of retards.
>>27273434
This is ridiculous and many times rebunked belief.
>>27273405
This is really stupid and I guess you're probably pretty stupid too if you operate on such an optimistic worldview.
I didn't expect to see this thread on /r9k/ of all places.
>>27273509
Show us the rebunkment then.
Yeah, I didn't think so.
Fucktard.
>>27273094
IMO there needs to be some degree of inequality to drive people to create new businesses to innovate and compete against established businesses.
At the same time if the country is too unequal it will give rise to reactionary movements that can threaten it. IMO we went beyond the bounds of allowable inequality about 15 years ago and things are finally coming to a head. People don't get pissed off when they have a good job and money to spend on fun things.
>>27273359
You're literally saying that since we currently have no better system, and it works for you, we shouldn't be trying to improve it?
>>27273368
In this context, caste implies the existence of great and fully arbitrary difficulty in making a better life for yourself. You need money to make money. A small loan of a million dollars.
>>27273456
No, the goal is an upwards trending quality of life, and a downwards trending difference between the richest and the poorest. This is not in any shape or form a dichotomy, even though that would be a very convenient argument for you. And it would even help the poor millionaires (absurd simile, by the way).
>>27273297
>it's just how the world works
Better we accept it then. Shouldnt look for ways to fix it.
Jesus fucking Christ.
>>27273314
So your issue isn't about wellbeing but more focused on a 'stop having better things than me >:c'? You're too old to be stuck in this preschool mindset. I'm just wondering, were you the kid who would go to a friend's birthday party but had to get presents from your mom too so it's' fair'?
Get real, you aren't a race car driver. You wouldn't even be able to make use of a lamborghini instead of a Honda. Aside from your feelings there is no harm done by some other guy who you've never met having slightly better things than you.
>>27271536
>I don't actually care for policy other than "throw communists out of helicopters".
You have my vote
>>27273353
>>27273260
This >>27272962 is my original post. I'm responding to >>27271920 who said
>republicans are going to get btfo in most elections for the foreseeable future
My response is pointing out that Republicans are holding such a majority in congress that we'd have to go back to 1930 to find another majority so large. I suggest that the next president will be a Republican and inform the poster than, contrary to his claim of Republicans being btfo, the facts I've just presented have instead resulted in him being btfo.
In case this isn't sufficiently clear, I'll make it clearer: I was extremely, painfully obviously taking the side of the conservatives.
Your responses to this, because you're illiterate drones, is to call me a liberal and suggest that I go back to tumblr. In all honesty, I love Trump, I voted for him in the primaries and will do so again in the general but I have never seen people so blindly fucking stupid as some of his supporters on this site. I swear to god you morons really are just hopping on the conservative bandwagon because you're that desperate to be part of what you think is the edgy counterculture against all your little liberal high school and college buddies.
I'm glad you're going to help us elect Trump but I really hope you kill yourself shortly after.
>>27273312
You are so far removed from reality. We should study you.
>>27273401
Wanting isn't deserving.
I'd want my child to live a healthy life style with a good education. Its only natural.
But some of these kids become spoiled little shits and don't realize who put them there.
>ie. richard
>>27273557
Not that guy but the number of people living on less than $1 a day has decreased substantially.
>This means that, in 2012, 896 million people lived on less than $1.90 a day, compared with 1.95 billion in 1990, and 1.99 billion in 1981.
http://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/poverty/overview
The World Bank is still pretty sketchy though, but they don't have their facts wrong here.
>>27273578
>Better we accept it then. Shouldnt look for ways to fix it.
People who work hard for their children are able to provide a better life for those children. In your mind, this is something that needs to be "fixed"? How do we fix this, exactly? Should we outlaw any transfer of inheritance? Maybe the government should just take 100% of a person's property when they die and distribute it evenly among the least fortunate members of society. That's more fair than allowing people to provide for their families, right?
>>27273359
But at least it's fair if everyone is living in stick huts and dying from common infections from a scraped knee.
It is an outrage that everyone has running water, plentiful delicious and healthy food, transportation, education, clothing, luxuries out the ass, and freedom to enjoy these things except some people have the exact same thing but it cost them more.
Left wing philosophy is far more delusional, what with their grand ideas of utopia and forced equality. Fuck this shit.
>>27271063
>Paula is a woman
>there are literally THOUSANDS of college scholarships out there that Richard can't apply to but Paula can, because Paula's a woman
>...but she doesn't do this
>there are even more scholarships out there Paula can apply for but Richard can't because her family is poor
>...but she doesn't do this either
>there are Ivy League colleges out there who will love to have Paula attend simply because she's a minority
>...but this isn't mentioned
>there are entire institutions devoted to making sure Paula gets any job she wants, even if she isn't qualified, just because she's a woman
>...but this isn't mentioned either
>and even if all these full-ride scholarships and diversity quotas slip by Paula's fingers, she can always fuck her way up the corporate ladder
>and if Paula is pure virgin who doesn't want to suck and fuck for money (lol, just pretend) she can always masturbate in front of a webcam and make a six figure salary
Paula has it easy. She has a million opportunities to get ahead in life, where perfect strangers will help her, but she'd rather stoke her victim complex.
>>27271063
do conservatives not realize that pretty much any job outside a hospital or a meeting room will gone in 10-20 years. Most restaurants won't have human employees, human taxi drivers and truckers will be gone, etc. "Hard work" will be a meaningless term in very short time
>>27273604
Yeah, it's real fucking impossible to improve well-being if we also don't improve it significantly more for a small privileged part of humanity. What the fuck are you even trying to say, you waste of semen?
>>27273575
You're of course free to create and attempt to enforce any economical or judicial system you want. Empirical evidence as well as mathematical models have convinced an overwhelming majority of economists that the amount of market regulations is correlated with negative impact on economic growth.
Poor people should just go homeless or die with dignity
There's nothing more humiliating than asking for a handout
>>27271063
Sure, because she absolutely went to college and became a waitress and a society where hard work is looked down upon is much more right.
>>27273575
You either don't know what context means or you're just another dumb fuck who's wrong on the Internet. You don't need money to make money. That's the dumbest thing I've read all day. If that's true why haven't you taken out a small loan yet? Surely the path to riches is just an hour long visit at the bank away, right? Stop being a lazy fuck and accept what you deserve. If you want money it takes work. There's literally no other way of getting it.
>>27273703
>muh scholarships
I'm black and even with a 3.4 gpa most scholarships only pay like $200
>>27273575
>we currently have no better system, and it works for you, we shouldn't be trying to improve it?
I'm alright, Jack.
>>27273368
>Caste implies that people can't move up their position, when they surely can.
What's wrong with a caste or class systems? They've served many countries well for *centuries*. People are happy, there's order to world, and stability. Much better than trusting our social inferiors to make a go out of the complexities of life themselves. The benefits of a social order free them from worry and want alike.
>>27273312
>Poor people want to be poor, and they're free to make that lifestyle decision.
Except that their poor decision is bad for society overall, or at least, the people who matter in society. The poor are like dimwitted children...someone needs to take them in hand or they'll smear shit all over the walls.
>>27271063
And so Richard didn't work hard? It seems to me that he did and that the other girl did fail, people aren't given loans because of family history, she just made poor credit decisions. In actually people can rise in class simply by going to classes. People just want achievement to mean less so that their failure is less shameful.
>>27273447
Have you ever tried getting two jobs at once? Employers often understand but are reluctant to schedule you frequently. Especially if you are trying to get through school also.
>>27273716
Why are you talking about "economic growth" as if it some kind of force of nature? Are you even aware that you're doing it?
>>27273811
>And so Richard didn't work hard?
No. Or, if he did, it's irrelevant to the outcome.
He got where he did on connections and privilege. Nothing more. White males don't really "work" like other people.
>>27271063
>>reddit.com/r/politics
I bet you're a pathetic NEET by your own making who only hopes to ride the coattails of the cause for people who actually had shit childhoods, maybe if you spent more time studying for school and less time browsing 4chan and playing runescape you'd actually have a decent life with a good paying job instead of being a basement dweller making pathetic welfare bum threads like this.
>>27273405
hahahahahahahaha,
this isn't what happens in reality, you have to meet other requirements than just being the smartest and working hard to move upwards
if you're an ugly, smelly freak it doesn't matter how hard working and smart you are, other people will fuck you over and treat you like you aren't even human
>>27273756
>3.4 gpa
Isn't that a shit GPA? Were you expecting a free education and the president of Harvard personally giving you a blowjob just because you're black and got a GPA over 'actually graduated from High Shool'?
>>27273706
Mid-level retail management here. A lot of jobs will be automated, sure, but you're severely underestimating the value consumers place on the human experience. My company is transitioning hard to a focus on services and relationship-based transactions.
People don't come out to a nice restaurant or a specialty retail chain in order to punch their order into a computer. They want to be waited on by a person. They want to have an employee in the store to answer their questions and offer suggestions.
If you work at McDonalds or Wal-mart, you might see your job disappear. But until we have robots that are indistinguishable from real people, non-fast food service jobs are going to be around for a long time, same as retail jobs in just about any sector that isn't soulless big box corporate.
>>27273753
Yeah, like being the fastest swimming sperm. Are all of your arguments driven only out of self-interest?
>>27271063
>waaaaaah the world isn't fair to everyone ;___;
Cry me a fucking river.
>>27273568
Exactly. People are content if they are able to live comfortably and spend money on fun shit. Problem is even people in the middle class struggled to justify spending on unnecessary things. The "work hard and live within your means" memesters don't understand that a healthy economy requires people to have the means to spend.
>>27273710
I read your post a few times but can't make heads or tails of it. Take a deep breath, calm down, then try again using your words.
I think you're trying to say the world has not improved at all since ever. That's ridiculous. You realize indoor plumbing was once reserved exclusively for emporers don't you? I bet you even have heated water. The poorest people in the West are living better than a majority of kings and emporers. You'd rather we go back to drinking from a mud puddle just to keep someone from having slightly better plumbing? How about you lead by example? Go out in the woods naked and live off the land and practice the equality you preach. Remember, no writing, reading, or speech allowed either. You have a higher level of education than nobility, which is unfair because some people went to prop school while others were left with the option of private school, public school, home school, Sunday school, other private school, other private school, other private school, self directed study, other public school, etc. etc..
lol your pathetic shilling gets btfo every time you try on /pol/ so you try and come here with this shit? sad!
>>27273881
>People don't come out to a nice restaurant or a specialty retail chain in order to punch their order into a computer. They want to be waited on by a person. They want to have an employee in the store to answer their questions and offer suggestions.
Already, shit like this is becoming a premium. It's only going to accelerate as automation and AI improvements advance...and that's happening as wealth is becoming increasingly concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.
tl;dr: Sure, there will be a market for the "human touch", but the vast majority of people won't be able to afford that shit.
>>27273821
>Employers often understand but are reluctant to schedule you frequently.
I'm a retail manager. I am always desperate for good employees because most people are useless, unreliable, lazy pieces of shit. I have frequently hired people who work one or more jobs. They tell me, "I can only work Mondays, Tuesdays and Fridays" and I say ok and I schedule them every week on those days and I'm glad to have them.
But you're right, it's generally a short term thing, mostly because I convince them to quit their other job so they can work for me the rest of the week too. Believe me, if you make yourself an asset then employers will treat you as one. The absolute worst thing you can do is believe the lie that you'll never get ahead no matter how hard you work.
If you're starting at the bottom - especially if you're starting at the bottom - every boss you will have will be desperate for good workers and if you show yourself to be a good worker, they'll reward you for it.
>>27273891
You can't be sperm. Do you mean sperm motility? What does sperm motility have to do with making money? I hate to burst your bubble but sperm donors and porn stars don't get paid as much as you think. If there's money to be mode there I suggest you go for it. If the niche is there serve it, if not create the need and then serve it. This is how money is made. Provide a service or product in exchange for cool shit like money.
>>27273924
Wow, that was an impressively long-winded way of saying absolutely nothing new at all.
"I can't wrap my head around your point, but you probably meant to convey an absurd theory that is easy for me to ridicule" - You
>>27271063
I don't believe in privilege, but I do believe in advantage. You honestly can tell college douchebags are rich. I do believe in a Denmark-like system, and I know it's not perfect and that some Dane will be like "I hate it so the 80%+ people here that are okay or do like it are wrong" just to please the other Anons.
DESU I would gladly pay more taxes to fucking fix our problems. It would suck, but in the long run it will help the poor more and still let the rich have more luxury and power regardless.
>>27273962
>I'm a retail manager. I am always desperate for good employees because most people are useless, unreliable, lazy pieces of shit.
So, in other words, you might agree that someone who is hardworking and dedicated would stand out? Like they might even get "rewarded" for making extra effort?
Sorry to derail your comment, but just trying to make a point here...
>>27273626
That's meaningless though. I don't care that Africans can buy a mcchicken and a soda now. I want our economy to make it possible for Americans to spend more money on shit. If 1% has most of the money and isn't spending it then I'm not making any money off my product.
>>27274006
Doesn't matter dude, he was rebunkimating the tard.
>>27271455
>"Well, those pesky ess-jay-dubyas believe in ________, so therefore, ________ doesn't exist and we live in a shiny happy perfect meritocracy"
Holy shit that is the best summery of /pol/ ever.
>>27273756
>3.4 gpa
What do you expect you lazy fuck?
>>27273979
I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt and assume you're misunderstanding me on purpose rather than being clinically retarded.
>>27273907
This is patently false. Conspicuous consumerism is an anomaly and a strong economy can exist without it to problem. If the shit isn't worth the money it isn't worth the money surely you heard a libertardian say the free market will fix it. Tongue in cheek or not market forces drive the economy. I'm in nursing school and keeping a positive savings rate. I still blow money on luxuries like top shelf hooch, fancy bath and spa products, and activities like sports games, music shows, and yoga. People buy what they want. It's wrong to force people to buy something they don't want.
>>27273843
>White males don't really "work" like other people.
You should be poked in the eye repeatedly for the rest of your life.
>>27273960
>tl;dr: Sure, there will be a market for the "human touch", but the vast majority of people won't be able to afford that shit.
This makes no sense. My company is a specialty pet retailer. We sell dog food, cat food, pet supplies. It's not a "premium" to have a real person standing at the register and walking the floor. It's expected.
If we for some reason decided to go to self checkouts and remove every employee except one person assigned to oversee our line of self checkouts, I would fully expect to lose the overwhelming majority of our business to whichever competitor decided to keep employees in their stores.
What is retail going to be in the future, a big warehouse with a line of self checkouts at the front? Come on. The tiny amount we'd save by replacing people with robots would in no way compensate for the business we would lose.
If we're just a store with robots, why are people even leaving their houses? We have a website, we do home delivery. Why aren't they just ordering from our site? Because we're not just offering a collection of products, we're offering a brand experience and the people in the store are the most important part of that experience.
>>27273984
That's real neat how you avoid the subject. I guess your idea is so stupid it isn't even worth explaining or defending.
>>27273789
>I'm alright, Jack.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?
>What's wrong with a caste or class systems? They've served many countries well for *centuries*. People are happy, there's order to world, and stability. Much better than trusting our social inferiors to make a go out of the complexities of life themselves. The benefits of a social order free them from worry and want alike.
FUCK YOU FUCKYOUFUCKYOU!!!! WHY NOT FUCKING BRING BACK SLAVERY YOU FUCKING PATRONIZING FUCK?
>Except that their poor decision is bad for society overall, or at least, the people who matter in society. The poor are like dimwitted children...someone needs to take them in hand or they'll smear shit all over the walls.
POVERTY IS NOT A CHOICE YOU FUCKTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>27274001
>someone who is hardworking and dedicated would stand out
Are there really people who don't believe that this is the case?
>>27274050
I appreciate the benefit of a doubt. You forgot the rest of your post though. Or did you not have a point to your post?
>>27271683
>>27271637
What a couple of Richards
>>27274114
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?
You need to calm the fuck down, Jack.
>>27274104
Pearl for swine, buddy
>>27274129
Okay, I'm starting to think that my doubt was unfounded now
It's not so much the money, but the contacts.
Donald Trump for example, he may have received a million dollar loan which is nothing for new york real estate, but the contacts from his father being rich is worth more than any loan he could have gotten.
Ever hear of people getting a job or promotion just because they know some one, even if they don't deserve it?
>>27273664
I have no problem with inheritance. I have a problem with you thinking that just because "this is the way the world works" we should just accept it. I dont think getting ride of inheritance is a logical answer at all but maybe incentivizing faggots like you to reintroduce your money into circulation would work.
Considering how uppity you are about hard work you are pretty afraid of being presented with the need to do hard work.
itt spooked niggers
nobody deserves anything and everything is just a consequence of a series of events which landed a guy in a better prospect for life than the other one
what the person in the comic is asking for is for people to have some compassion for those born in these series of events which classify them as unfortunate, or in shorter terms, to stop being such a jackass
instead of being cucks trying to excuse yourselves, just admit that you don't give a fuck, and why should you? fucks are spooks, too.
survival of the fittest motherfuckers, robots are proof of this (they were unfit for life and thus their line ends, cleaning the garbage from the gene pool)
thinking people can be edgy is also a spook btw
>>27273677
Are you actually this out of touch?
>>27274092
That's just ordered people bro. Talk to anyone under 30 and you'll see everyone is buying online. Noone has time to waste shopping. I'm still waiting for grocery stores to have a delivery service or at the least where you pay and then pick it up already bagged and ready to go, no need to even enter the store. No one has more expertise than me shitting before my shower with a smartphone in my hand. I Google best X 2016 then order the best X. Why go to a store when there's thousands of affiliate marketers competing for my money?
>>27274114
FYI this is not a post by the guy he was replying to. Pretty sure he's samefagging in an irate fashion to score some manchurian dreidel whittling points.
>be paula
>don't be a total dumbass in highschool and get all As and do decent on ACT/SAT
>go to a decent public college, get scholarships with hard work
>work hard in college and don't become a shitty waiter
But somehow her failure is somehow not her fault?
>>27274186
>but maybe incentivizing faggots like you to reintroduce your money into circulation would work.
Ahh, so you're still at the point in your development where you think that all rich people are like Scrooge McDuck? We just keep our money in giant vaults where we occasionally stop by to take a swim in our gold coins and laugh at the poor people who would be able to make ends meet if we'd just spend some of our money?
Rich people aren't hiding their money under their pillowcases, anon. What makes you think that it's not in circulation?
>>27274199
>theedgybrosciencestarterpack
Survival of the fittest does not mean what you think it means. A retarded nigger with 10 kids he doesn't raise is more "fit" than an astrophysicist with 5 nobel prizes and no kids.
Card-carrying social democrat here.
The whole "privilege" shit is stupid. LIberals are pussies. Liberals waste their time trying to justify left principles with conservative logic.
Liberals need to be more principled. It's a right of every human to have access to clean water, food, healthcare, and a basic income. I don't care how "fair" it is to conservatives. I don't care how much it ruins the greedy, self-serving, violent and cruel world conservatives so badly want to exist. I'm going to fight to make it happen because it's the right thing to do.
Conservacucks can suck my fat socialist dick.
>>27273843
Beware the bait friends!
>>27274092
>It's not a "premium" to have a real person standing at the register and walking the floor. It's expected.
It's expected *now*. And something so specialized...it might never change.
But, look, do you guys take mobile phone payments? Probably not. But you probably take credit cards, and 20-30 years ago, that might not have been the case.
Mobile phone payments are coming, and quickly. They're convenient and quick. People get used to that, just like they do with self-checkout lines in stores.
Fuck, I just read that Carl's Jr is working to automate fast food so people never have to interact with another human. Right now, human interaction in large corporations is seen as a cost center, a money sink, something to be automated away. That's going to affect smaller businesses, too...it'll just take time and competition.
This is just one kind of automation. There's a lot more, and the critical thing about this wave of automation is that when they replace jobs, nothing else takes their place.
Everyone of those people put out of work become part of the permanently un- or underemployed. The competition for the remaining jobs intensifies, and pay rates go down.
Where you'll see an effect is when people stop having money to buy your specialty pets and shit like "Purina Iguana Chow"...and then, you, too, will be on the street.
The remaining money will get concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. It'll belong to people who couldn't care less about the filthy masses...they can build walls and hire security and push out entertainment to distract the billions fucking up their view.
Don't think in terms of this summer, think 5-10-20 years out. This shit is coming, and it's coming *hard*.
>>27274286
Yes it does. Do you think the universe gives a flying fuck whether you discovered the subtle laws which govern the way it moves? That is an incredibly anthropocentric view. There is nothing that gives a fuck. Giving a fuck is a human conception.
Those niggers are more fit, simply because they were the ones that survived and reproduced.
>>27274301
If this was Facebook I would give you a like and a share
>>27274122
>Are there really people who don't believe that this is the case?
>another wagecuck believing in the hardwork meme
Stay cucked wagie.
>>27274224
>I'm still waiting for grocery stores to have a delivery service or at the least where you pay and then pick it up already bagged and ready to go, no need to even enter the store.
If you didn't live in flyover land, you'd know that many grocery stores do already offer home delivery. It's expensive and despite your attempt to speak for all millennials, one of the big things we know about them is that while they're all socially retarded and hate human contact, most of them are also extremely poor and under massive amounts of debt and probably can't afford to pay an extra $20 to get their groceries delivered to their door.
Believe me, we've got this well thought out and we've still got many decades to go before people need to worry about losing their jobs to robots.
>>27274301
>I learned everything I know about conservatives from reddit
>The post
>>27274114
Be quiet, the adults are talking.
>>27274333
But isn't that the endgame of economy - a self sustaining means of production that makes money obsolete? Why is this a bad thing?
>>27274366
It's not so much hard work, but smart work. Theres a shit load of people currently alive, and someone clever enough can manage a small portion of them to build his own fortune without working too hard.
There's also the fact that this system is kind of flawed and you can make money off its flaws.
>>27273960
I would rather use a computer. Humans are slow and cost more. Why would anyone prefer the human touch other than being "scared" of it
>>27273998
I agree. I don't understand why this is considered insane by the right. What's wrong with helping improve things in the long run?
>>27274393
Even if the endgame is a perfect Star Trek non-economy, the transition is looking to be painful for anyone not in the 0.0001%.
If the rich have their 3D printers and AIs and the rest have shit, it's going to be kinda painful until the population gets back to a few thousand people...and unless you're one of the chosen, that's what you're looking at.
>>27274067
Who is forcing anyone? You are doing exactly what I want. You are living the goal. Why shouldn't more people be able to live that goal? In reality you should be in a position to spend even more on top shelf hooch but aren't because you aren't getting paid what you are worth.
>>27271524
Nice fedora
>oh he's a Christian, he MUST be bad
He's a constitutionalist more than any other candidate
>>27274333
>But, look, do you guys take mobile phone payments? Probably not.
Why wouldn't we? We do but it only saves a few seconds at best over using a card.
>Right now, human interaction in large corporations is seen as a cost center, a money sink, something to be automated away. That's going to affect smaller businesses, too...it'll just take time and competition.
I mentioned fast food as an exception in my first post. Yes, there's no human experience to be preserved in fast food and it makes perfect sense for it to be automated. But aside from fast food and trucking, that's it.
Like I said, big box soulless retailers like Wal-mart have nothing to lose by automating. We recognize this and that's why we're taking action now to establish ourselves not just as another store but as a brand experience. We want people to come into our stores not just to shop but because it's fun and it's fun because of the people we have working there.
Apple is the standard we and many other companies look to for this kind of thing. You walk into the Apple store and they have fun gadgets for you to try, they have real people to help you with tech problems, and so on. And I know we're on 4chan so you might not think too highly of Apple but the average person does. They think so highly that they'll pay incredible markups for Apple products and they don't just buy them online, they go to the store because the store reinforces the brand experience.
We opened a little over 100 new stores this past year. These are stores stocked full of real people and the market is only growing. In fact, what we're seeing now with the growth of things like self checkouts is a push back from consumers who hate automation and want to see real people. The more other people automate, the more there will be a market for non-automation.
You might know your scifi son, but you don't know your economics.
>>27274092
Retail in the future is going to be having your products delivered via automated car. stores only exist because not all things can be delivers yet and some hipsters like the "experience"
>>27274366
>Stay cucked wagie.
I got to where I am today by working hard while my coworkers were busy being useless lazy shits, asking me why I bothered working so hard. I've personally hired, coached and promoted dozens of hardworking people over their lazy peers.
Honestly, I'm glad that the world is so full of people like you. People who "work hard" aren't even really working that hard, they're just working harder than you. We're at the point where putting in anything past the bare minimum effort makes you stand out and your refusal to do even that much is only hurting yourself.
>>27274368
I live in Dixie, not flyoverland, and very few stores here deliver. Just because some do does not mean all do.
Millennials really aren't that poor either. There is a difference between being poor and stupid. Poor people can't get debt, only stupid people. All my friends are driving new cars and mortgaging homes in suburbs. They could easily afford $20. That's less than two dollars a day for your staples, well worth it considering all you'd need then is to get fresh produce as needed.
Seamstresses said the same shit you're saying now. People have been steadily losing their jobs to automation. For something like storefront service it's coming sooner rather than later.
Reminder that National Socialism is our only hope for a brighter future.
>>27274281
Tbh I don't know. I don't know what you do with your money. What I do know is that there are a lot of people who aren't in a position to spend money on weekend activities. I don't know how to get them more money. I think it would be beneficial if they had access to more so they could spend more. There is nothing wrong with lower class being able to participate in American luxury.
>>27271063
>tfw well off and still a failure
you dont know this feel
>>27274545
Why should scarcity be shared? If I can do it anyone can. I earned my lot in life, and even if I didn't I'd rather continue believing as much even if it means denying lazy and bad people the things I had to work for.
>>27271483
> privilege is only disliked by people without it.
No shit Sherlock!
Let me guess, slave masters didn't oppose slavery either.
>>27274572
>Retail in the future is going to be having your products delivered via automated car.
Again, we have this already. Literally everything in our stores is available for purchase on our website. It's CHEAPER on the website. We offer free shipping.
You can walk into one of our stores, ask us for a product on our website and we will pull out a tablet and order it for you on the spot and give you free priority shipping as well.
And yet, even our smallest locations get hundreds of customers every day. People don't want a package dropped off at their house. They don't want to shop on a website because, and I know this is something you won't understand, most people enjoy human contact and enjoy shopping in a store with friendly and knowledgeable employees.
This is never going to change. This is why people fucking hate it when they call a customer service number and get a recording or a call center in India. Human contact is vitally important to the majority of people and the more other businesses automate, the more people will be drawn to places that don't.
I don't think I have any other ways to explain this so you're just going to have to wait and see.
>>27274092
this guy thinks there will be sectors that aren't soulless big box corporate.
The reason your business seems to benefit from keeping people around is b/c it's a PET STORE. It's literally entirely for people so bereft of relationships they had to bring an animal into their personal life. Of Course they want to talk to people. Have you been in a grocery store, Walmart, or other retail establishment in the last 5 years? They ARE, in fact, big warehouses with self checkouts in front. And they're growing, while nothing else is.
>>27274615
>People have been steadily losing their jobs to automation.
Yes, the world has been increasingly automated since the 18th century and that whole time, there have been people like you crying out about the imminent doomsday when machines will put people out of work.
And yet, here we are, hundreds of years later, with people still working.
>>27273843
please fuck off
saying white males don't have to work hard to succeed is fucking ridiculous, everyone has to work hard to be successful
success is easier for some, true, but if you dont work hard, you cannot be successful. rich kids commonly blow their hardworking parents fortunes away because some end up as lazy sacks of shit
just because i'm a white guy doesn't mean i've had everything handed to me, asshole
>>27274731
What about any of what you mentioned is scarce? I'm also not suggesting lazy people be given what you have. Not everyone who is making less than you is lazy. Some people don't know there are other options. I want people to make more money so places like where you do yoga can make more money to expand their business. Why are you making doing fun shit into a club only you and your shitty friends get to do? That doesn't serve society. It only serves you.
>>27274750
You are real scared of the robot uprising my man. Problem right now is people are still adjusting. The more people get comfortable with it the more it will happen. People don't shop for necessities for fun. If I can cut 30 minutes of shopping out of my day with 5 minutes of ordering I do it.
>>27274281
>>27274281
>what makes you think it's not in circulation
Governments around the world having to institute negative interest rates to specifically discourage exactly the McDucking you're discussing. Japan just did, several countries in Europe are discussing similar options, and the idea was even raised in the U.S. briefly.
Not everyone is ignorant, anon.
>>27274825
>I want people to make more money so places like where you do yoga can make more money to expand their business.
it's amazing that you can't see the flaw in this logic.
>>27274887
Explain the flaw then. Your average wagie works all week and gets a pay check. He spends that money on yoga. Yoga instructor now has more capital to spend in improving his business. He buys a second building or expanded space. He can now teach two classes at once. More people use his business. He gets more capital.
While the money might not stay what he owns does. He is able to expand and grow because someone was able to use his business. More business he gets from more people the better off he is.
>>27274945
In my example he would have two classes running with separate instructors. He himself wouldn't be teaching two classes at once.
Hehe, I was almost like you. Graduated (Electrical Engineering) from college with dreads (black man) that reach my mid back. Was out of work for about 8 months. Finally got a job with a company my friend from college works at. Got to keep the hair too.
>>27272010
the basic cost of a child raise from birth to 17 is a quarter of a million
That's not even counting birthdays and other shit that's just basic food, clothes and medical bills.
250,000
1/4th of a million
>>27274765
>The reason your business seems to benefit from keeping people around is b/c it's a PET STORE. It's literally entirely for people so bereft of relationships they had to bring an animal into their personal life.
see my comments on Apple: >>27274561
I dunno man, what do you want here? I could list off companies for you if you want. Gamestop is still doing fine even though everyone has Steam and. Grocery stores might be automating a bit but they've never been especially personal. No matter how automated they get, you'll still need employees there to clean and stock the shelves.
You'll also notice that most larger grocery chains are increasing their focus on services. They're installing bakeries, they're talking up their meat departments, they're creating private brands. And you'll notice that as standard grocery stores get more and more soulless and automated, other chains are popping up that do the exact opposite.
The entire business model of Whole Foods, for instance, is to have a grocery store that's the opposite of a traditional store: full of friendly employees, fun to shop in, stocked with a line of specialty items that you can only get there like baked goods, coffee, food, etc. Traditional stores are trying to copy some of these things and that will just result in another round of innovation somewhere else, and so on and so on.
Basically, you're grossly underestimating how much the average consumer values the experience of leaving the house to go shopping and how vitally important the in-store experience is to those customers. Everyone knows that they can just order everything online. Everyone knows that they can get whatever they want for cheaper at Wal-mart, which is basically a warehouse full of robots already. But. it's. not. FUN. The basis of fun is interacting with other people. Robots are not fun.
And there will always be a market for fun, no matter how many androids are running around.
>>27274984
No country is successful when birth rates declines
>>27275009
GameStop is most definitely not doing fine.
>>27274006
>I want our economy to make it possible for Americans to spend more money on shit.
I rather we all just wise up and not feel entitled to all the feel good shit and learn things like moderation and accepting that we can't always hit the pleasure center of our brains when we want too.
>>27274561
>100 stores
Sincere thanks for a thoughtful post, however. I kinda wish you had skipped the condescending "son", but that was cute...made me feel young.
That's great, and I'm glad you're doing well. I think we're seeing people realize there's a lot of value to a physical shopping experience now that the initial appeal of online shopping has waned.
Look...yes, I don't know what's going to happen anymore than you. I see automation becoming more and more pervasive on my end however, and often for reasons that seem to serve concerns of short-term expediency, consequences be damned.
That's something common to the corporate world...standard operating our-duty-to-the-shareholders kind of behavior. Sometimes, that works out just fine, and sometimes, we get fucked over.
Now, I'm at the stage where I'm still feeling around the edges of this trend...all of it, from 3D printing to IoT to AI, sort of signs of something very different and new coming. It makes me feel uneasy even as I find it interesting. I don't know where it's going, but the one thing that worries me is that we're seeing an ever-increasing loss of jobs in fields beyond the traditional "ripe-for-automation" fields.
Perhaps I'm wrong in thinking this is a problem. I've read opinion pieces where people argue this will free people to do more creative, challenging work...but I also encounter a lot of people who really don't seem to want that from a job. They want to work, then go home and do something else...have a cookout with friends, play with their kids, whatever.
That's true for a lot of people, no matter the color of their collar. And there's plans to automate a lot of jobs out of existence, a lot of jobs traditionally thought to be safe.
So, setting my Saturday night 4chan hyperbole aside, do you understand where this could be an issue? Thanks again for the earlier reply.
>>27271063
This ancient bait again.
The world has gone through this discussion again and again, here are the bullet points:
>we need equality of outcome
>you need to give me things because I exist
>other people aren't allowed to have more than me
I had this roommate who moved in one day and literally brought nothing with him except a mattress and some personal stuff. Then we all sat down (total of four housemates) and he said that since we will be living together it would make sense to share some of our stuff, like plates and cutlery etc. This was of course easy for him to say because he didn't own shit so this arrangement led to a 100% net gain for him.
It's totally normal that you want to steal from people who have stuff, it's a natural instinct imho. I just wish they wouldn't come up with fancy political names for it. One of the reasons I'm against PC culture, for example, is that I truly think we would be better off if we could call each other cuntface and shithead.
They want to censor and change language so that you can't call them out on their BS anymore, this theme of avoiding any resemblance of personal responsibility and accountability permeates all of their policies.
>>27271063
>This is Richard
>He's life affirming
>This is Paula
>She's life denying
>Because Richard's parents did everything for him he grows up being lazy, entitled, have a dependence that was heavily nurtured
>However, it is not in his nature to whine and blame others, especially since he understands he is especially privileged being that he belongs to a first world democracy
>Thus, even though he struggles to focus on personal projects, is generally lazy and unmotivated, he decides all he can do is be happy with who he is and thus accept his upbringing as that which forged his character.
>Because Paula had to learn to do everything for herself she gained a strong work ethic, tenacity, resilience and character.
>However, since Paula is life denying, she blames all her problems on her upbringing, and constantly focuses on the bad parts of her life.
>This leads her to be unhappy with who she is, even though she still leads a relatively privileged life in a first world democracy.
>Paula is also resentful at the rich people who she blames for her parents not being rich, in a first world sense.
>Since she is so full of evil hatred and bitterness she assumes that rich people must all be evil as well.
>She assumes that the system which has allowed more people to live and eat than was ever thought possible is actually based on greed rather than freedom and competition
>She would rather see a system that has repeatedly been shown to lead to abuses of power, zero government oversight and mass graves be implemented.
>Because her system has never been tried properly, and it's definitely worth risking an almost perfect, self-governing, progress promoting, world feeding, system to try out something that has allegedly only failed because it's never been tried properly before.
>>27274863
>You are real scared of the robot uprising my man.
Oh don't worry about me, I'm high enough up the totem pole that my job won't be automated until the world is being ruled by a sentient supercomputer. I'm just enjoying seeing what the average person thinks about this stuff.
My usual discussions about this topic involves a bunch of executives of a company that does well over a billion in yearly revenue going over very detailed metrics on customer preference. I'm surprised that you guys put so much faith in the ability of robots to take over everything in such a short time frame.
>>27272010
>Your blind devotion to money is the reason why the world is shit.
But that's what you are
You stand there with your hand stretch out going "gimmie"
You point at your problems and say "fix it"
You pull on the coat tails of the wealthy and say "help me"
When in all likelihood you could live a good healthy life if you didn't act like a complete selfish faggot.
It's one major factor to why the 99% project failed. When you have "oppressed" with name brand clothes, shoes and iphones it's really hard to believe there poverty was by any hand but there own.
>>27275069
No one is entitled. It's just better for economic growth if more people are spending money. The more people spending money on small businesses the more those businesses can grow. If people at a lower wage were able to spend money with more freedom the economy would work as intended. Problem is people keep seeing pay increases as some kind of slight or "reward" for the lazy. The reality is if everyone was paid more we could afford to be pickier about who we want to spend money on.
>>27275045
They're not doing super awesome but their stock is higher than it was a few years ago. If you'd listen to the people in this thread, they have no reason to even be in business when you can just buy everything online.
>>27275009
>the basis of fun is interacting with other people.
Normie get out! Why the fuck did you wander in here anyway???
>>27275140
I'm surprised you put such little faith in it. Technology is advancing quickly. Society is getting more comfortable shirking human interaction for the sake of saving time. It's just a matter of which option is cheaper.
>le bootstraps meme
one of my favorite memes 2bh
>>27275117
She was born unprivileged, not life denying. Accepting her life or not wouldn't change the fact that she didn't have good opportunities of being successful, completely the opposite of what Richard had, which was literally handled in a plate. Most of what you wrote were just assumptions based on the fixed "life affirming/denying" idea that really only added things to the scenario, not analyzed anything at all.
I know its hard to accept, but we have barely any control over our lives.
>>27275233
My favorite meme is spongebob
>>27275164
>The more people spending money on small businesses the more those businesses can grow.
Speaking as a small businesses owner I can tell you the clientele that keeps you afloat is the middle class and higher
Low wage blow all there money, come back crying for refunds because they fuck up so badly that they didn't balance rent and utility's into anything.
Low wage tend to never have enough money because they never are satisfied with what they spend. Tax season this shines where they get upwards of 2500 returns and blow most of it at my store only to yet again be trying to return half of it by months end.
putting more money in there hands ensures nothing.
>>27275217
Just because you're interacting with other people through a computer screen doesn't mean you're not interacting with them. As a matter of fact...
We're interacting right now~
>>27274945
if wagecucks are being paid more without increasing their productivity, that means it costs more to employ them. The prices of basic goods and services will rise to compensate for this inefficiency.
The business owner in your example won't profit because he needs to pay his employees more, and it will cost more to pay for whatever he needs to maintain and expand his business.
>>27275261
They are being paid more but not at a rate higher than what is livable with possibly one or two luxury expenditures a month. If the price of lower class workers goes up than the prices of middle class workers will too. This means more middle class people will have more money to spend on cool shit. The business owner now also has an incentive to more wisely choose his employees. This leads to better customer interaction and growth. It's not as simple as "poor people get paid so everything is expensive" it has a ripple. You just aren't capable of wrapping your head around the idea of middle class gaining market power because the lower class have become the same price for less experience.
>>27275279
It makes middle class more valuable. Also this is dxtremely generalistic. You probably see a very specific type of lower class and I'm guessing it's not 100% of them. They also spent their money on at least half your wares. Regardless that's a net gain.
>>27275164
Hmmm.
The economy doesn't care whether one hundred people have a thousand dollar wage, or one person has a hundred thousand dollar wage. The GDP is still the same.
What hurts an economy is all the GDP being spent on things that depreciate. For example, alcohol depreciates very quickly, so do gambling machines.
In 2009 there was a stimulus in Australia that involved giving most citizens $900. Immediately after that Crown Casino reported a $14.4 million increase in profits.
>>27275252
>most of what I wrote was just assumptions
Like that money or a lack thereof would make either person's life better?
>>27275397
no most of it is returns which just fucks up my gain.
If I knew how I get them out of my store for good.
>>27275426
Or worse*
The point is the comic assumes just as much, if not more.
If you struggle to be happy in a society where the necessities are effectively guaranteed to you, you're not going to be happy with more than the necessities, at least not for very long.
>>27275261
I'm a whole different guy than your original antagonist. Just here to point out that real, objective data and events all over the world indicate that the rich are holding on to a substantially increasing amount of money, rather than spending/investing it; and that many smart, informed people think it's a enough of a problem to try completely unprecedented policies like making you PAY THE BANK TO KEEP YOUR MONEY THERE. So many people/companies are spending so little of their funds that governments are that motivated to discourage saving.
Also, and related; wages have been flatlining with respect to productivity for like 30 years... that's the entire reason everyone's jimmies are rustled.
>>27275402
>alcohol depreciates very quickly
Assuming you drink it, I should add.
Some wines and spirits are the obvious exception.
>>27273903
Life is unfair but people are trying to fight to make it more fair. I'm sure you would understand if the roles were reversed and you lost your job to a minority due to affirmative action. That's also unfair and I'm sure you would be up in arms about that prospect.
>>27275326
That's completely untrue. Let's say his current customer base pays on average $13 a class for a subscription which lets them come in any day Monday through Friday for any class. You pay your employee $15 an hour to teach this hour long class. Your employee has made you $390 gross in an hour. You lose $15 of that to his wage. $375. That's not cutting into his profit that much. Obviously there are other expenses but the amount the store owner loses is small. The only businesses who fear the $15 minimum wage are ones that are struggling due to being shit already.
You do realize that liberals don't give a fuck about single, white males?
You see, I just found out today that I have an inguinial hernia. The surgery for this condition will cost thousands of dollars. I make close to minimum wage. I don't have health insurance; It would cost me almost 2k a year and I would still be paying for most of my surgery with my savings. Despite being a poor wagecuck, I don't qualify for any government assistance other than a 25% discount on an already overpriced service. Because apparently, only roastie whores with bastard children count when it comes to helping the poor... Which I am forced to, when the government takes 1/5 of my pitiful paycheck to give to these useless leeches.
Now these liberal crooks (Especially that fucking kike Bernie) want to take MORE of my money and give it to the "needy" (AKA niggers and whores). And despite being very poor, I will never get a fucking cent when it comes time to hand out welfare. The Republicans want to CUT my taxes so I can actually afford the shit that I need.
