How do you feel about To Catch A Predator? Do you believe it was okay to publicly shame those people?
>>27263666
Trick question. Pedophiles who act on their urges aren't people.
They should all be lined up and shot desu.
I loved the show but >>27263688 should kill himself.
I love TCAP.
I don't mind that would-be child molesters are being publicly shamed.
Obviously it's alright to publicly shame them. They go on a publicly available database for the rest of their lives.
I think the absolute saddest case was the doctor who lost everything. Four years in medical school, four years in residency, all for nothing. He lost his practice, his wife/daughter, his money, his friends and reputation, everything.
He also spent a fuckload of money trying to sue the show and failed. Doc Wolin, god damn he got fucked. Not sure how a doctor could be so dumb as to waltz into a 14 year old's house.
>>27263756
https://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/50455/Dr-Maurice-Wolin-Piedmont-CA.html
heheh
>>27263726
here's comes a loli posting pedo to defend child fucking.
disgusting desu
>>27263666
adults who try to take advantage of young teenagers should be castrated
>>27263756
>implying doctor's are smart, perfect and aren't susceptible to human flaws
the anti-pedo thing is a straight up witch hunt, no different than how people hate gays.
people are hating other people for things that they cannot control, we're just too stupid and haven't tried to understand yet.
yes, it's wrong, but you don't deal with it the way people are dealing with it right now.
you educate your kids better.
good show, pedos need some help. My neighbor got caught downloading child porn. he must not of had tor setup right...
>>27263756
Has he tried...ya know....NOT being a pervert?
>>27263817
>blaming the children
retard pedophile detected
>>27263817
>things that they cannot control
You cannot control your desires. You can however, control how you act on those desires. Anyone who attempts to take advantage of underage children deserves public ridicule and jail time.
>>27263817
Being a pedophile is one thing. Acting on your urges is another. If a 40 year old decides to fuck a 10 year old he's not just sick at that point, he has inflicted harm on a child. That can fuck up a child mentally.
I don't care about much but I've got a soft spot for the well being of children you fucking sicko.
>>27263666
>>27263817
same pedo
the time you spend making these threads could be used elsewhere, therapy, plotting rape, whatever, plz go
I don't know how you can feel bad for these people. I am probably an ephebophile and even I think they deserve to be vilified for trying to get some teen pussy.
>>27263950
I'm not a pedo though, I just wanted to see how people felt about the show
>>27263970
If they went for 15/16+ at least it wouldn't be so bad. But 14 and under? fucking why. just kill yourself.
Objectively morally wrong.
Chris Hansen deserves fucking cancer.
>>27263666
I love the show. More than once have I watched 3+ hours of the 24/7 streams with anons while binge drinking.
Is it okay to publicly shame them? Depends. In civilized countries they don't have things like sex offender websites and registries, bail agents and alimony, but I digress. In the States I'd say it's okay.
>>27264009
It's morally wrong to prey on preteens. The fact that they actually went to meet up with some kid means that they likely would have tried it with another kid in the future.
I hope every pedophile who actually rapes kids gets their dicks cut off or their vagina's sealed up.
>>27264054
holy fuck I miss the synctube channel that used to ply it all on loop
>>27263756
I would just pretend to pull on the cops and hope they kill me desu
>>27264081
make your own
>>27263774
>I was stung by a bee a few months ago. It was so bad I needed surgery to reduce the swelling and remove the stinger. Dr. Wolin did a fantastic job. I even heard the nurse jokingly say that Dr. Wolin has a knack for sting operations.
kek
>>27263784
What if the teenager lied and the person is now castrated because of hormonal swings of a young teenager?
Does anyone have a really good episode to recommend? I've never actually watched an entire one.
Please help an anon out.
>>27264143
>What if the teenager lied
>not using the ID trick to see if someone is underage
>>27264159
Florida has to be the best. Fucking Florida.
>>27264143
>What if the teenager lied and the person is now castrated because of hormonal swings of a young teenager
I never said everyone who gets accused should have their dicks cut off
I'm just saying pedophiles that try it deserve to be castrated
>>27263666
Of course it is ok to publicly shame degenerate pedos.
How does anyone on the show actually get charged with anything? They never actually even talk to an underage person. What crime did they commit?
>>27264143
The age of consent in the US is typically 16. If you don't give a shit enough to check if the girl is 15 or under then its on you friend. If the chick looks under 18, check it out faggot.
>>27264161
>id trick
>online
By the time you show up to the door it's too late.
also
>what is fake id
I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm simply pointing out the danger of employing irreversible punishments.
>>27264223
Intent is a crime, just like attempted murder and conspiracy. If you attempted to buy a hitman online and it was a cop, you still go to jail
>>27264185
thanks for the recommendation friend
>>27264248
>being explicitly sexual with anyone online who you will meet in person
that's just moronic.
>>27264202
Well, where do you draw the line? Shows like Hansen's? Because we've got plenty of men out there who lost everything and spent several years in jail because of false rape allegations, only to be released years later.
If caught in the act, then sure, I agree. Otherwise it's a tough call.
>>27264233
>it's all on you, and you'll get castrated if you get it wrong
Sounds fair. /sarcasm
I wouldn't tap anything below 23, but that doesn't make your logic any less messed up.
>>27264275
Now you just went full potato.
>>27263666
yes. and it was entertaining. terribly easy question, faggot.
>>27264338
I'm not the one who said you should get castrated, but I believe that there is a punishment in order. Castration for under 12's though? Maybe that's a fair punishment.
It's very, very unbelievable that you couldn't tell the girl you were fucking was 14 though. You're an adult and therefore need to take responsibility for your shitty judgement.
>>27264422
Why does anyone need to be castrated at all? Pretty that falls under cruel and unusual pubishment. What's wrong with just jail?
Creeps should be shamed, but the problem is that TCAP used a group called "perverted justice" and PJ was notorious for sucking at their job.
With law enforcement, if someone says "no" they will generally stop because they don't want to entrap someone and it shows they aren't interested. PJ would ask like 10 times and go into role play chat rooms. Keep in mind this was like 2006 where cyber sex was shameful but not a huge deal (kinky couples did it) . So some people who were showing up were either doing something they wouldn't have done otherwise from a legal standpoint, or actually thought the other person was into age play. Which is a creepy but legal fetish.
Basically TCAP had their heart in the right place but fucked up a few innocent lives
>>27263666
The people are convicted for thought crimes, so I do not like the show. I also think hansen is a closet pedo.
>>27264465
If you're unable to control yourself you cannot and should not be trusted. If he goes to jail and gets out, what stops him for preying on children again? He's not going to be put in jail for life.
>>27264422
>I'm not the one who said you should get castrated, but I believe that there is a punishment in order. Castration for under 12's though? Maybe that's a fair punishment.
I agree, but it couldn't be based on hearsay.
>It's very, very unbelievable that you couldn't tell the girl you were fucking was 14 though
What if some ephebophile or whatever the fuck generally goes for 16yos or 18yos?
>it's all on you
This is not how laws should work. It'd be like getting jail time for unwittingly stealing a bike that's indistinguishable from yours.
>>27264422
>that you couldn't tell the girl you were fucking was 14 though.
Guessing someone's age by year is pretty hard yes. In some states the aoc is 16, and telling apart a 16 year old from a 14 year old when they all wear the same clothes and have pounds of make up on their faces is not obvious.
>>27264465
>Pretty that falls under cruel and unusual pubishment. What's wrong with just jail?
Because with normal criminals, their whole sex drive isn't directing their thoughts and attention towards committing crimes and hurting others.
Prison for pedos is nothing but just a time out.
>>27264533
You can say the same thing for literally any other crime. Why does trying to have sex with an underage person result in something drastic immediately while drunk drivers get multiple chances before anything serious comes from it?
>>27264249
>Intent is a crime, just like attempted murder and conspiracy.
But there's no victim in these cases. The "child" doesn't exist. When you're charged for attempted murder, there's a victim. The "crime" is the intent to fuck an imaginary persona.
>>27264551
>>27264564
If you are not 10000% sure that the person you're fucking is 16 then don't fuck. Why is this so impossible for pedophiles to understand?
It's the current year, search them up on facebook and gauge what year they were born/what class year they're in. If it's still sketchy then don't fuck her. You're a fucking adult, use your brain.
>>27264615
>You can say the same thing for literally any other crime.
No, you can't.
see >>27264612
Pedophiles and serial killers share this truly horrific characteristic.
>>27263688
>>27263854
>>27263880
>>27263950
>pedos
This show has nothing to do with pedos. The "bait" were pretending to be teenagers for fuck's sake.
>>27264630
>If you are not 10000% sure that the person you're fucking is 16 then don't fuck.
That's impossible without birth records and DNA testing.
>>27264666
Hebephilia is also fucked up you nigger. The episode I'm watching right now has a ~40 year old man sending a 13 year old his fucking dick.
>>27264630
You're not addressing any counterarguments, you just keep saying things over and over.
>Why is this so impossible for pedophiles to understand?
>let's call anyone who doesn't agree with me a pedo
It doesn't take a pedo to point out that your logic is flawed and inconsistent with the Western notion of justice. I wouldn't fuck anyone who can't drink legally.
>>27263688
>being such a normie
How is horny teenager girl the same as innocent child girl? God I hate normie so much they always mix things up
>>27264721
>The episode I'm watching right now has a ~40 year old man sending a 13 year old his fucking dick.
No there's never any 13 year olds in the show. The 40 year old is sending dick pics to some middle aged pervert who likes to ERP as a teenaged girl.
>>27264687
>>27264730
Because it's completely ridiculous to me that you find it so hard to figure out someone's age.
Fucking random 16 year olds without even knowing them well enough to know they're 16 is pretty damn degenerate in the first place.
In the context of the show, these people think that the person they're sexting are 14 and under. How do you feel about this person? What punishment do you think they deserve for driving to their house with condoms and intent?
>>27263756
I cannot wait until pedo rights become popular
Seriously, put aside how many normie are pedos but pretend they are not. 95% people don't fucking care about children. They just want to see other people burn. They use pedo insult as an excuse to punish other people. Fuckihg normies so evil
>>27264612
>Because with normal criminals, their whole sex drive isn't directing their thoughts and attention towards committing crimes and hurting others.
So why aren't you advocating lobotomies for all convicted criminals then? Or better yet, just execute everyone. A dead criminal will never risk relapsing.
>>27264807
>fucking random people is degenerate
I agree but western legal systems don't, and only the latter is relevant to the topic.
>What punishment do you think they deserve for driving to their house with condoms and intent?
Intent to do what? Fuck a 30 year old guy roleplaying? That's not illegal in USA.
I'm sure a lot of the people were actually dangerous people who should have measures taken against them, however far too many of the cases were just plain old normal people that were unfortunate enough to be pedophiles and just got baited by the police into doing something they never would have otherwise
>>27264896
Look anon, if I let a 14 year old drive "because I thought they were 16 and had a license" I get in legal trouble. If I give a 18 year old beer "because I thought they were 21 and they lied to me" I get in trouble.
Adults are held accountable for their actions. It's against the law to do these things. It's perfectly okay for a cop to go undercover to expose criminals.
>>27264807
>Because it's completely ridiculous to me that you find it so hard to figure out someone's age.
Crimes with harsh punishments require strong evidence. Like the other anon said, w/o dna testing and shit, you can't be 100% sure. Getting snipped for trying to fuck 16yos makes an unjust law.
>Fucking random 16 year olds without even knowing them well enough to know they're 16 is pretty damn degenerate in the first place.
This is completely irrelevant when talking about legislation. One is legal, the other is not. There is no room for personal preferences.
>In the context of the show, these people think that the person they're sexting are 14 and under. How do you feel about this person? What punishment do you think they deserve for driving to their house with condoms and intent?
That's a nice emotional appeal you got there. Yes, if the evidence is sufficient, then they should get snipped.
>>27264845
>So why aren't you advocating lobotomies for all convicted criminals then?
Are you illiterate or something?
>Because with normal criminals, their whole sex drive ** IS NOT ** directing their thoughts and attention towards committing crimes and hurting others.
>>27264945
>It's perfectly okay for a cop to go undercover to expose criminals.
I agree with that. I don't however agree that it's okay for cops to create crimes, which is what happens in this case. If the cops were to go after actual pedos who had raped children then that would've been a better use of resources. As for arresting people who planned to have sex with 15 year olds that don't even exist, then that is idiotic.
>>27264947
They speak to the men for a while before inviting them over. They have chat logs of evidence and the act of him driving over to fuck what he thinks is a 13 year old girl is enough to incriminate him.
He clearly has the will to fuck minors. Should they just let him go? Another episode I was watching showed a guy admitting to meeting up with 10-15 other kids. This show is a blessing as far as I'm concerned.
Legit pedophiles should be snipped. Like, 11/12 and under. Heinous crimes deserve harsh punishments.
>>27264945
>Look anon, if I let a 14 year old drive "because I thought they were 16 and had a license" I get in legal trouble. If I give a 18 year old beer "because I thought they were 21 and they lied to me" I get in trouble.
Yes, you'll get fines and a few months in probation. It won't literally ruin the rest of your life. See the difference?
>>27265009
the cops don't create these crimes though
>>27264987
If you're afraid of convicted child rapists becoming repeat offenders then you should also be afraid of any other criminal becoming a repeat offender. Why does the child rapist get castrated but the guy who robs banks gets out intact?
>>27263666
No
when you have people pretending to be post pubescent girls actively baiting desperate lonely guys, then shaming them for life, you're not protecting anyone, your just destroying someone's entire life for a subjectively wrong non-action.
i mean, if some teenage girl around 14 -15 said she was interested in you, you wouldn't be automatically not attracted just because of a numerical quantity.
>>27265043
Of course they do, the people they arrest haven't actually done anything, they just assume that they would have
>>27265009
like i said in >>27265009 a man admitted to meeting up with 10-15 girls in the Florida episode I'm watching right now. If a man is willing to fuck a cop pretending to be a 13 year old girl, do you think it'll go down any different with an actual 13 year old?
>>27265037
Giving an underaged person alcohol isn't even illegal in my country, parents do it all the time. What's illegal is selling it to underaged people.
yes.
but if you want to be consistent, publicly shame whores too.
>>27265037
And fucking a kid is considered a more heinous crime by our society and legal system. See the difference?
>>27265043
>the cops don't create these crimes though
They do. Actually, in tcap, the child doesn't even exist! Yet the person is convicted. Laughable.
>>27265050
>actively baiting desperate lonely guys
That's not what happens though. These guys approach them and then go off about sex
>>27265058
These people attempted to commit a crime, that is a crime itself. Attempting to send lewd material to a minor and attempting to have sex wit a minor is a crime. Just like attempting to solicit a prostitute or attempting to buy drugs is a crime.
no, it isn't right.
this should have not been made into a tv show. this should have been a private sting operation. not a fucking television show. pedos are despicable, but it's just sickening how people find this entertainment.
it's not entertainment.
Actively folowing, cornering and then having sex with a girl <14 =/= being baited by a girl who actively seeked you out who is pretending to be >14
>>27263666
No I don't think it was okay to publicly shame those people. They should have castrated them right at the scene.
>>27265061
>do you think it'll go down any different with an actual 13 year old?
I don't think "pre-emptive" convictions are justice. That's not what a legal system should do.
>>27264947
>Yes, if the evidence is sufficient, then they should get snipped.
Yeah fuck that shit. There was "sufficient evidence" to lock up Brian Banks for five years and force him to register as a sex offender his entire life. Then the girl later admitted she made the entire thing up just for the money.
As of right now, any girl can say "he raped me" and the male's life is automatically destroyed - his job is most likely lost due to the days/weeks of jailtime, his reputation is fucked, he has to pay for an expensive lawyer unless he wants a public defender who will straight up tell him to confess to something he didn't do. All of this happens with zero evidence whatsoever.
What if a woman could say "he raped me" and you automatically get castrated due to the same "sufficient evidence" that locked up Banks for five years?
>>27263742
>conventional morality
>>27265024
In cases like that, I completely agree with you. But you can write legislation where completely innocent perverts who want to fuck adolescents in their late teens will get neutered for being lied / shown a fake id.
>>27265110
>baited by a girl who actively seeked you out
That's not how it works. All they did was sit in a chatroom. These people approached them and started the discussion on sexual activity
>>27265101
>These people attempted to commit a crime
No because having sex with an imaginary person is not a crime, anywhere, and certainly not in USA. The "pedos" are literally getting convicted for thought-crimes.
>>27265142
>But you can't
Critical mistake.
>>27265158
Actively seeking out sex with a teenager is not a "thought crime". Being convicted for just being a pedophile who doesn't fap to child porn/try to fuck kids would be a thought crime.
>>27263666
That show was great desu and yeah it was okay, fuck those perverts
>>27265050
you sound like a loser yourself. a crime is a crime.
>>27265158
that's ridiculous
there's a reason we have laws for things like conspiracy and attempted murder. without them these people would have to carry the act out before anyone can do anything
>>27265046
>Why does the child rapist get castrated but the guy who robs banks gets out intact?
For the third time, READ THIS SENTENCE
>Because with normal criminals, their whole sex drive ** IS NOT ** directing their thoughts and attention towards committing crimes and hurting others.
Given the context, the above implies pedophiles' sex drive directs them to commit crimes. That cannot be fixed with jail time, you illiterate fuck. It also explains why other criminals aren't as dangerous.
>>27265176
What if they were just into ageplay?
>>27264511
the people are convicted for intent to commit sexual assault my guy, they're protecting people by putting them in sexual offender lists
>>27265142
I guess we sort of agree then. I don't think fucking under aged teens should be punished as harshly as 12 and under, but there should still be jail time in order.
>>27265176
>Actively seeking out sex with a teenager is not a "thought crime"
The teenager doesn't exist in the case of tcap. If the teenager existed then you'd be correct.
>>27265062
Thank you for that completely irrelevant factoid.
>>27265080
>what is intent and how it relates to crime severity
>>27265203
What the fuck do you even mean by that? If the person cyber's with TCAP staff they don't get arrested. If you cyber, actively plan to meet with the kid and then actually drive over with condoms THEN you get fucked by the police.
If you're just into ageplay you're fine.
>>27265193
>without them these people would have to carry the act out before anyone can do anything
Nope, you're confused. If you make plans to kill person X, then that's a crime. But can you be convicted for making plans to kill someone who does not exist? No of course not. In this case, there's no teenager, hence no intended victim.
>>27265243
>But can you be convicted for making plans to kill someone who does not exist?
Yes you can. I remember a story of how someone attempted to buy a hitman to kill a guy on facebook but it was a fake profile that was trolling him. He still went to jail
>>27265235
>If you cyber, actively plan to meet with the kid
There's never any kid.
>>27265201
No crime can be "fixed" with jail time. Jail is a punishment, not a rehabilitation clinic. If you do something permanent to a child rapist in order to prevent more crimes from happening in the future then you'd have to do that for literally every other crime. The reason we don't is because it's fucking ridiculous to take such drastic options after one offense.
>>27265243
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intention_(criminal_law)
how do you think cops arrest hit men before they kill someone?
>>27265043
What if the person sees the child then realize he cannot do this?
Yes it possible. It happens and I could happen. If the law is so dead on and accurate, why don't you show him a child girl then see what happens next? The scenario isn't even completed
Say if I want to murder someone, but I don't actually do it when j see the person because I feel guilty just before that moment. It doesn't make me a murderer
>>27265128
I'm really glad I don't live in the States.
>What if a woman could say "he raped me" and you automatically get castrated due to the same "sufficient evidence" that locked up Banks for five years?
This is exactly the concern I'm trying to convey here.
>>27265297
>how do you think cops arrest hit men before they kill someone?
Because this "someone" exists you fucking retard. They're not hired to kill a cartoon character.
>>27265299
....that makes you an attempted murderer
what aren't you understanding?
>>27265212
>>27265243
>>27265274
Intent and actually attempting to carry out the crime is enough to incriminate you. It doesn't matter what some random anon thinks. This is how the criminal justice system works and it's how it should work.
Claiming there wasn't a kid doesn't mean shit because the person believes there was a kid. The only difference in these scenarios are the kid didn't get fucked in the ass and the predators gets arrested.
>>27265235
Okay, but what if you cyber, then plan to meet with an adult who's pretending to be a kid?remember this is exactly what's happening in the showWhat crime are they committing then? They're just into roleplaying.
>>27265299
>What if the person sees the child then realize he cannot do this?
That's why they have the decoy. Doesn't matter though. Once you show up you've committed the crime. Someone of them committed a crime beforehand by sending porn or pictures of their penis
>>27265050
This. Some 15 year old girl look very mature and normal people cannot tell if they're 19 or 15. Why the fuck do you not like them back just because they're under a magic number 18? Because your normie society brainwashed you for years?????
>>27265331
That's just not the case and it's ridiculous for you to even mention this.
They clearly know that they were meeting up with a 13/14 year old girl.
>>27265291
>Jail is a punishment, not a rehabilitation clinic.
That's not how Nordic countries see it.
>If you do something permanent to a child rapist in order to prevent more crimes from happening in the future then you'd have to do that for literally every other crime.
That's a non-sequitur. Care to elaborate on how violent criminality that's directly directed by your sex is no different from your average crook?
>>27265327
>Intent and actually attempting to carry out the crime
Except there's no crime in this case, hence no intention to carry out one either...
>criminal justice system
Remove the justice part and I agree with you.
>Claiming there wasn't a kid doesn't mean shit
When you're ruining someone's life because he tried to have sex with a kid then it makes a huge damn difference whether or not the kid exists in the first place!
>>27265377
The point is to remove those who are fine with fucking 13/14 year old girls from society. They destroyed their own lives by actually meeting with the kid. Don't try to pin their own faults onto someone else.
>>27265377
>When you're ruining someone's life because he tried to have sex with a kid then it makes a huge damn difference whether or not the kid exists in the first place!
Someone brought up the point about police going undercover to bust people who are looking for hitmen. What difference does it make that the 'hitman' is really a cop?
The action, i.e. the proof of intent itself is the crime.
>>27265377
their crime is the intent to commit an illegal act
it doesn't matter if there is no underage girl, i can already see you're going to try to make this about entrapment but that just isnt the case
>>27265420
>The point is to remove those who are fine with...
This is some soviet tier "justice" system you're advocating here. Next step, make it so anyone can report their neighbor if they suspect that he's capable of committing a crime and you'll never hear from him again. No point in just limiting this system to sex-offences, right?
>They destroyed their own lives by actually meeting with the kid.
They never met with a kid. How many times do I have to point this out to you?
>>27265424
I've already gone over why the hitman analogy is flawed.
Is pedophiliaphobia a meme?
>>27265495
>suspect
>suspect
It's not suspicion, jesus christ. You CLEARLY intend to fuck a preteen girl by driving to her house. If you are someone who is willing to fuck preteens, you deserve to go to jail.
When you have THIS much evidence mounting against the guy, its fair to act.
>>27265495
how can someone be this fucking retarded
basically what you're saying is the only way to arrest a pedo is to catch him in the act of fucking a child
you DO realize that in the show they actually have an underage girl that invites the guy in, right? have you ever watched the show?
>>27265566
>they actually have an underage girl
Not him but I'm fairly certain it's an 18 year old actress who happens to look very young. They would never put an actual child in danger like that.
>>27265588
whatever, the guy still thinks it's an underage girl, and that's all that matters to get an intent charge
>>27265376
>That's not how Nordic countries see it.
We're not in a Nordic country. Jail should be focusing on making criminals able to reintegrate into society but that's just not what we do here.
>Care to elaborate on how violent criminality that's directly directed by your sex is no different from your average crook?
Whether the crime comes from your dick or your head is irrelevant. If you want to have castrations be punishment for sex-based crimes then fine, but you should hold similar standards to other crimes too. I think you're less interested in preventing future crime and more interested in seeing child rapists become deformed.
>>27265322
Then the punishment shouldn't be that severe. I don't think the punishment for attempting murder is the same as actual murdur
But it seems these people never cared they just wanna destroy another persons life. Why do you punish attempt sexual offenders much worse than the actual rapist?
>>27265559
>You CLEARLY intend to fuck a preteen girl by driving to her house.
She doesn't exist nor does she own a house.
>If you are someone who is willing to fuck preteens, you deserve to go to jail.
Exactly, thought crimes.
>>27265495
>But there's no victim in these cases. The "child" doesn't exist. When you're charged for attempted murder, there's a victim. The "crime" is the intent to fuck an imaginary persona.
Following your logic, you shouldn't be able to arrest someone who posts a youtube mass-shooting threat (let's say to a mall he's never visited), because the victims aren't preselected and therefore no victims exist if he is stopped.
The intent is what matters.
>>27265617
>punish attempt sexual offenders much worse than actual rapists
what the fuck are you talking about....?
>>27265632
You can be a pedophile who isn't willing to fuck preteens. Stop using the term thought crimes if you don't know what it means.
The men who are spotlighted in TCAP are not committing thought crimes.
>>27265566
>basically what you're saying is the only way to arrest a pedo is to catch him in the act of fucking a child
I've never said that. If someone, whoever that may be, pedo or not pedo, make plans to hurt a REAL person, regardless of age or sex, then that's a crime you can be convicted of.
>>27265613
>We're not in a Nordic country.
I am.
>Jail should be focusing on making criminals able to reintegrate into society but that's just not what we do here.
Yes, and that's what they do here.
>Whether the crime comes from your dick or your head is irrelevant
Holy shit, you are a fucking idiot. There's a world of difference. You can stop habits and even addictions, but you can't stop your sex drive.
>>27265652
I'm not that guy but that's a flawed analogy. Threatening to shoot up a place can make people afraid and hurt businesses. People are still negatively affected by the threat.
>love watching to catch a predator
>great fun watching creepy old guys get exposed for trying to fuck little kids
>this one time they get a 20-year-old dude to show up to a place, with him thinking he's going to fuck a 17-year-old
>he gets arrested
>he is now a registered sex offender
>for trying to have sex with someone who was 3-years-younger than him
This shit is not right.
>>27265696
this is seriously the dumbest half assed logic i've ever read
so it doesn't matter that the guy has intent to have sex with a child, the only thing that matters in your pea sized brain is that there is no real child to have sex with
i'm done, you're just dense.
>>27265731
>>this one time they get a 20-year-old dude to show up to a place, with him thinking he's going to fuck a 17-year-old
literally never happened.
>>27265652
>no victims exist if he is stopped.
The mall-goers are real persons.
>>27265749
>so it doesn't matter that the guy has intent to have sex with a child
But there is no child, that's the entire point. There's no child in TCAP. They're convicted of thought-crimes.
Just join NAMBLA already, you pedo fucks.
>>27265717
>Threatening to shoot up a place can make people afraid and hurt businesses. People are still negatively affected by the threat.
But that's not the crime the person will be charged with, he'll be charged with something along the lines of attempted murder, and therefore what you're talking about is irrelevant from the legislative perspective.
>>27265759
It did. I've seen all of the episodes. That sorta thing only happened the one time, though.
It's still not right.
>>27265789
it didn't though. You can lie all you want, but it just didn't happen
>>27265688
>Stop using the term thought crimes if you don't know what it means.
I know what it means, and what you're advocating for, namely rounding up people who have never committed a crime but is suspected of disagreeing with the laws, and sending them to prison, then that's the definition of punishing people for thought crimes.
>>27265796
But it did you faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZftOXmZpA
That's not the guy, but it took place in that house.
I don't think it was in the normal episode, and was instead in one of the extended cuts.
>>27265788
>he'll be charged with something along the lines of attempted murder
That's not true. People who make bomb threats or threats to shoot up malls are certainly not charged with attempted murder.
>>27265849
>no proof
Okay pedo, I believe you
>>27265867
>if you think it's wrong for a guy to be arrested for having sex with someone who is only 3 years younger than them, THEN YOU ARE A PEDO
>>27265760
>The mall-goers are real persons
Are they though? You can't say jack shit about who'd get shot. The original argument is
>if there isn't a specific victim with special properties, there's no intent or crime
What if the mall is closed and all there's only a security guard? There's no mall-goers to murder, and so there's no intent and no crime.
Certainly they're guilty of planning a crime, but the women used as bait are 18 years old. Therefore they're just guilty of conspiracy, not being actual sex offenders.
>>27265906
You're trying to invent situations that didn't happen to make the people caught look more sympathetic. Nice try pedo, still waiting on that proof
>>27265789
>>27265839
>THOUGHT CRIMES
They aren't thought crimes you stupid motherfucker.
You aren't arrested for being a pedophile. You're arrested for intent and attempt.
Arrested for daydreaming about fucking a kid would be a thought crime. Arrested for thinking about how you'd fuck a kid is a thought crime.
The people on TCAP are a danger to children and many ADMIT to fucking multiple kids in the past.
You're acting like they've done nothing wrong and they're just a poor victim of the justice system. Not only did they intend to fuck a kid, they drove hours and brought condoms.
>>27265839
their crime is INTENT
IN
FUCKING
TENT
you're the one disagreeing with the LITERAL law you fucking autist, and on top of that, by you not recognizing how intent is a crime, you are LITERALLY committing thought crime right now.
>>27265922
>You're trying to invent situations that didn't happen
But it did lol that's what I'm telling you, idiot.
>to make the people caught look more sympathetic
I only felt sympathy for the 20-year-old trying to fuck a 17-year-old. No other guys.
>>27265934
>You aren't arrested for being a pedophile. You're arrested for intent and attempt.
So if you're 20, and you fuck a 17-year-old, that makes you a pedophile now, does it?
>You're acting like they've done nothing wrong and they're just a poor victim of the justice system
Is there anything wrong with fucking a 17-year-old when you are 20?
>>27265865
>people who make bomb threats or threats to shoot up malls are certainly not charged with attempted murder.
O'Reilly?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_mass_shooting_plot
>Shepherd and Souvannarath face charges of conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy to commit arson, conspiracy to use weapons for a dangerous purpose, and unlawfully conveying threats through social media
And I said along the lines, so your obtuse response
>conspiracy to commit murder isn't attempted murder
is pointless.
>>27265980
keep making up stuff lad, I'm sure someone will believe you
>>27265980
The age of consent is 16 years old where TCAP airs. You aren't making any sense. They always pose as 14 year olds and younger from what I've watched. It's not a crime to fuck a 17 year old where they air.
>>27265934
>Not only did they intend to fuck a kid
A kid that doesn't exist. (not a crime)
>they drove hours
To the house of a 30 year old police officer (not a crime)
>brought condoms.
Also not a crime.
So three actions, none of which are crimes, all of a sudden turns into a conviction? I'm afraid you are the stupid motherfucker.
>>27263666
Trust me, I hate pedophiles that prey on children. I don't know if shaming helps them though, I would say it's a good deterrent but I wouldn't have the data to back that up. I'm more for rehabilitation of criminals but that's just me. I do feel bad for that one dude who brought his lil brother so he could hook them up lol.
>>27266017
>The age of consent is 16 years old where TCAP airs
They have recorded episodes where the age is 18.
>They always pose as 14 year olds and younger from what I've watched
Except for the times where they pose as 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds, 15-year-olds, 16-year-olds, and 17-year-olds.
i want to watch it but can't find anywhere to stream it :-/
>>27266017
Talking about the show, the voice actors they get are horrible sometimes. One of them sounded like a middle-aged alcoholic.
>>27266046
Well, at least you can enjoy this entertaining article about it. https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Chris_Hansen
>>27263666
No matter how shitty I feel, watching the moment where those fuckers realize their life is ruined lets me know that someone out there has it worse thanI do.
>>27266045
I'm going to need to see the video to act on it. From what I've seen they've always posed as younger teens. What episode did they pose as a 17 year old.
>>27265964
>by you not recognizing how intent is a crime,
I've always recognized it.
>>27265986
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_mass_shooting_plot
>Shepherd and Souvannarath face charges of conspiracy to commit murder,
That's because they had the weapons and plans. If you go now and make a false threat then you will not be charged for attempted murder. You're comparing apples and oranges.
>>27266073
I dunno, man. I watched them all years ago. I ain't going through them all again.
>>27265759
>>27265789
>>27265796
>>27265849
>>27265867
>>27265906
>>27265922
not me but some 18 maybe 19 yo high school football chad got busted in a similar chatroom sting trying to hook up with a 15 year old in my area not long ago
there was also some 16 year old caught but he only got charged with some bullshit like intent to indecent exposure or something retarded
>>27266028
There's nothing I can say to someone who thinks TCAP predators are committing thought crimes. I'm just glad that you don't decide how the justice system works and these fuckers who believe they're going to fuck kids are getting nailed. TCAP does a good job, god bless this show.
>>27266088
>That's because they had the weapons and plans
TCAP has the guy showing up on the scene, condoms, alcohol and chat logs.
>>27266096
What the heck dude, at least try to google up an episode for me if you're going to accuse me of lying or whatever. I've watched a good amount and I've never seen someone as old as 17 being used as a profile. I'm curious now.
>>27266046
It's on youtube.
>>27263666
Aren't they bringing it back?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1606694156/hansen-vs-predator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5V-V2OgYys
They have some footage and are in the process of editing it with plans of airing it literally within a few weeks.
Guys, can we stop arguing and start sharing some lulz?
https://youtu.be/105Vv4hosGs
>>27266109
>these fuckers who believe they're going to fuck kids are getting nailed.
>believe
Yeah, anyone who falls victim to a police scam needs to be thrown into prison. You know, perhaps naivety should be a crime, then you can convict them for that too.
>>27266133
Yes they are! They crowdfunded that shit.
>>27266151
>naivety = coming to a house with condoms to fuck a 13 year old girl
what the fuck is wrong with you nigger. It's not a police scam, they send dick pics and fully express they are coming over to fuck a 13 year old girl.
They deserve all the jail time they get.
>>27266133
Looks like Hansen has been hitting the sauce hard in the past decades.
>>27266133
>They have some footage
Oh so they've already created the crimes? Good for them.
I've got an idea, why don't we start a kickstarter to produce a bunch of cocaine and then have them smuggled across mexico, then we might get another season of the show Border Patrol USA.
>>27266151
you are the dumbest person i have ever met on this site, and that's really saying something
>>27264259
>>27264159
>>27264185
These are hillarious. Don't know whether to feel bad for the guy or not, he got all taken by surprise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzY3lTYTO0k
>>27266216
In that case, I suggest you don't go to >>>/pol/. It's filled with people like him.
>>27266255
pol is funny though, and they're always right
>>27266245
That reminds me of the one clip where a guy jumps out in a ghillie suit to take the perp down.
It was hilarious.
>>27266271
Funny? Sure. Right? Hardly ever.
>>27266255
oi fuck off, m8. just because there's a single pedo tripfag on /pol/ doesn't mean that everyone there agrees with him. in fact nobody does; /pol/ is against all kinds of degeneracy.
>>27266245
That fucking indian guy who comes in naked
KEK
>>27266300
>Right? Hardly ever.
i wonder who is behind th-
can't fool me
>>27266245
>the guy admits he would have had sex with a young girl if Hansen wasn't there
>indian guy walks in fucking naked
Yeah, but sure, they haven't fucked a kid yet so they're perfectly free to go.
>>27263666
>>27266133
Here are the predators.
http://wtnh.com/2015/10/07/10-men-arrested-in-undercover-child-sex-sting-in-connecticut/
>Police say ten men have been arrested in Connecticut after they came to a house intending to have sex with a 12-year-old girl or a 13-year-old boy.
>They say the men were ages 19 to 64.
>The Connecticut Post reports a 32-year-old math teacher from Harrison, New York, and a 27-year-old Connecticut National Guard member from Stratford were among those arrested.
>Police say the Stratford man had a bag in his car containing a loaded gun, a roll of duct tape, a knife and a box of condoms.
Im more interested in their chatlogs and how it all went down though.
>>27263666
>those trips lol
>How do you feel about To Catch A Predator?
Nothing they did was actually illegal
>Do you believe it was okay to publicly shame those people?
Yeah, sort of. If they really didn't hate themselves for their own habits, they wouldn't give a shit, now would they? Being revealed is only bad when you're secretly ashamed of what you do. And if you are, then why the fuck are you doing it?
None of them should have been arrested, though, because the decoys weren't actually children and therefore flirting with them or trying to fuck them isn't technically illegal. Just seems like a way to vent hatred or find someone more disgusting than you or something. Pretty fucking shitty. If they were ACTUALLY chatting up 10 year olds and shit, I would think differently, but they weren't. They were being entrapped by "predators" themselves who wanted to find a voice for their hatred.
>>27266343
>Nothing they did was actually illegal
if that was the truth, they wouldn't have went to jail
>>27266333
Forgot one more thing.
>Fairfield police partnered in the undercover sting with Chris Hansen, a former reporter from the show To Catch A Predator
So its confirmed its them. Do they look like robots?
>>27266333
thanks for the info, super interesting that they lowered the ages to 12 and 13 as well.
>>27266333
i live in CT, i remember when this was big news a few months ago.
someone i know used to work with one of the guys that got caught. they fired him because he was a heroin addict.
>>27266099
found it, first was 18 and is facing a minimum of five years for trying to have sex with a 15 year old the other was 17
>17, is charged with exposing a child to harmful descriptions, a felony
>talking about sex with someone your age is a fucking felony
>>27265420
>he point is to remove those who are fine with fucking 13/14 year old girls from society
So every man?
>>27266215
>ripping off the DEA's idea
bad goy!
